No one on what the media likes to call "the arab street" had any real sympathy and many had a "they got what they deserved" attitude(go back and reread their media). Granted, we've made our friends angry. But I think our handling of post-saddam can go far to change that, as well as some in the muslim world.
Well put. I was in Riyadh, at work, on 9/11, and watched doctors - men who are supposedly dedicated to healing - I watched these guys whooping it up watching the images on CNN. Hopefully, this will show the Muslim world that if they don't clean up their own back yards, someone with more will and nastier weapons will do it for them. Both ways work, but the first would sure be a lot better for everyone involved.
(sigh) This gets so tiresome, reading shit from Eurotrash morons. Ok, step by step:
Did you know that in 'America, the country of freedom, of liberty, etc...' all information about american POWs (etc, etc) are being censorshiped ?
No, they are not. The Pentagon (or Whitehouse) is asking the media not to show this crap, because it is a violation of the Geneva Conventions for Iraq to even have done it, and to protect the families of the dead soldiers. If CNN, or whomever, chose to do it anyway, the US government could not do too much about it.
Did you ask yourself, why USA is attacking Irak and not any other country that is known for having mass destrucions weapons, like North-Korea or Paquistan ?
First, Iraq is under sanction because of a deal they signed in 1991 agreeing to dismantle all of their known WMD and allow inspectors to verify this. They have not; that leads us to today.
Second, Saddam Hussein is measurably more brutal than the leadership of N.Korea or Pakistan, although both of those countries should also suffer economic sanctions for violating non-proliferation agreements they made.
Third, one thing at a time, dude, one thing at a time.
Did you know that the USA give Iraq most of the weapons for the war against Iran ?
Which ones? The Russian AK-47's? The Russian T-55 (and other model tanks? The Russian artillary pieces? The Russian fighters and bombers? You see, we kept such a stock of Russian military hardware during the 80's that we had to unload it on the nearest tyrant with a funny hat, and Saddam won the lottery.
Give me a break. Back up, or shut up. And, more importantly, just because you support a country at one point, doesn't necessarily mean you will support every single thing they do from that time onward. Everyone in the world respected Hitler and the atheletes even gave the 'Heil Hitler' salute passing his reviewing stand at the Olympics prior to the second world war. That didn't stop the world from going in and kicking his ass - liberating not only the countries he was attacking, but Germany as well, from his fascist rule.
The list gets bigger and bigger.
I dunno, guy, looks to me like the paper your list is written on is wet and smudging more by the hour.
I don't know the real reason why USA is attacking Iraq, but for sure, there is an economic reason. Call it oil, or whatever, but there is an economic reason.
Its simple, really. To rid that region, and the world, of a tyrant with illusions of grandieur, so that he can not kill outside or inside his borders any longer. As long as you are worried about economic reasons *for* the war, perhaps you will be so good as to explain France, Germany, and Russia's economic reasons *against* the war, and the illegality of their deals with Saddam's regime.
However, since we were not really *in* the Kyoto protocol, Bush really didn't have to do anything. Just let that particular fruit die on the vine. Which is fine by me - the Kyoto protocol is not about reducing 'global warming,' it is about redistributing wealth.
I don't think we're cousins, but the circ crack was totally sarcastic... I think its a brutal form of cosmetic surgery performed on someone who can't give or refuse consent.
And if you have proof of our mousie origins, please put up, or shut up. I'd hate to have my alien come squish your mouse.
How exactly has the carrot been tried? Saying you can't sell your oil (except in certain circumstances) isn't it. Neither is saying you have to let us root around in your government and military installations any time we choose.
Then I guess Iraq shouldn't have signed agreements to that effect in 91. Or he should have abided by them in 91, and within a few years, he and his nation would have been invited back into the community of nations and would not have the hardships they have now, which are 100% Hussein's fault. He chose to start a war; he fought a war, and he lost a war. When you lose, you have penalties to pay. It isn't a game of Chutes and Ladders, it is killing other people.
When that a-hole is out of there, the carrot can be tried again, but he does not want to be part of the world, he wants to rule his little part with an iron fist, and he pissed off too many outsiders this time.
Yeah, George Bush is so loved and supported by the Jews in the US you can see how much he'd want to repay them to ensure he has their vote again next go around. What planet are you from?
The carrot's been tried for 12 years now. time to put up or shut up. If the UN is such a bunch of pussies that they won't do anything, then its up to the US to do it.
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When I hear Americans lamenting that they're not free, I just chalk it up as yet more proof our school system sucks, particularly in the area of civics. The important freedoms, we have; the minor ones, we need to regain.
I like to say that we're the healthiest patient in the cancer ward. Kind of sums up the whole 'but we're more free than them' belief, at least for me it does.
Because you are a moron? Just a suggestion.
IF you read your own links on snopes, you'll see that Reagan was blamed for one of them. I think this is just one of those things that gets spread around.
So, which 'group' are you blaming? And the lies Gore has told are voluminous, they are well documented, and they are inarguable.
Because it kept going on, and on, and on, and on - sort of like Democrats crying about losing the election, which they most definately did. They recounted time and again, and it all comes up a Bush win (that means Gore lost, to those in Rio Lindo)
Hurts, don't it?
Except for the fact that he did not win, you are absolutely wrong. Watch...anything. Just because some jackass liberal leftwing filmmaker says it, doesn't mean its true. It was amazing, watching actual footage (undoctored or spun by the news folks)showing them trying to count cards with the Bush hole poked out as a Gore vote because the Gore chad had a poke in it. Sad. As to the absentee votes, those should have all been counted long before the election. The dems wanted to throw out all the overseas ballots, mainly from military personel, because they are overwhelmingly not Gore supporters. Democrats are shown time and time again to engage in votefraud. If not fraud, then outright questionable behaviour. Look at how Dems take vans to homes for retarded citizens, then take them and register them to vote; on voting day, they go again and take them to vote, showing them how to fill out the card for the democratic candidate. Look at how many times the elections have dead people and prisoners (both of these groups are ineligible to vote, although they are both eligible to run for office on the Dem ticket) on the logs as voting for Dems.
No, count after count show he did *not* win. Sorry, Cholly, wishing it were so will not make it so. He lost, by a narrow margin, but he did lose.
Next?
Mohammed said that people have free will to choose to follow Allah. Then, he told the Caliph of Egypt, "Convert, or die." Apostacy is a capital offense in Islam - free will, indeed; if you leave the fold, become a Christian or anything else, you get your head chopped off. The incident I refer to also shows the warmongering ways of Islam. Islam did not spread via the rational, logical discussion of God/Allah. It was spread through war. Please keep in mind, that prior to the stupid Crusades (which was medieval catholicism, not 'christianity), the Islamists took, by force and through killing innocent people who just happened to disagree with them, the land now called Israel by the civilized world, and 'Occupied Palestine' by the shit eating, rock throwing monkeys of the world.
Last night I was walking with my girlfriend here in Riyadh, where I live. We were accosted by Muttawah - that is the religious police, whose official name is The Society to Promote Virtue and Prevent Vice - the exact same name as the murderers in the Taliban who went around and killed and tortured women for being outside the house without their Mahram (male escort that they are not allowed to marry - son, nephew, father, brother, but oddly enough, not the cousin, that's ok to marry here), or men who did not wear a beard that was long enough to suit them. Crusaders, indeed. These muttawah accosted us because my girlfriend was not wearing her scarf to cover her hair - which is not required by Saudi law for non-muslim, non-Saudi women. But these guys, impotent bullies all, drive around in GMC Suburbans yelling at people to go to prayer, and yelling at women to cover or take off their lipstick. After 9/11, all we heard in the press here was how bad it was for the poor widdle Muslims in the world, being yelled at outside of mosques. Well, at least they have mosques to go to; could I or any of my collegues go to a church, synagogue, or temple for comfort during these stressful times? No, because Islam is the only religion allowed here - the practice of any other will get you deported at best, or beheaded at worst, as some poor Filipino Christians in prison found out a few years ago. If you look at a map of the world, and highlight countries where there are large Muslim populations, you will find a great deal of civil unrest. Everywhere they are, there is fighting - they can't seem to get along with their neighbors, and always want to start killing infidels in order to establish a 'pan-islamic state,' like, say, Afghanistan. In Malaysia about 25 years ago, a Muslim lost a local election to an ethnically Chinese Malay - the Muslims went door to door slaughtering non-Muslims in the community who voted out their guy.
In the US, where are all the Muslim converts coming from? The prison system. Interesting.
The Muslim world has spent too many years ignoring the atrocities commited in the name of Allah, speaking out of two sides of its mouth (Arafat is so stupid that he apparently doesn't think the rest of the world can find Arabic translators, as he would constantly say one thing in the press in English, condemning a particular terrorist act, then commend the 'martyr' in Arabic) for me to take any of them seriously any more. They allowed and financially encouraged the Taliban (only recognized as a legitimate government by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan), knowing full well the atrocities committed there. Indeed, the Taliban are made up mostly of Saudis and Pakistanis, with a sprinkling of Yemenis for flavor. They kill and torture, and the Muslim world looks the other way. When someone finally has the balls to stand up to Hussein and say, "Enough, you're out, next batter up," all we here from the Arab/Muslim world is, "Crusade! Infidels in the Holy Land!" Well, as an Infidel in the Holy Land, I say, shut the fuck up.
The lesson to learn from the upcoming war is this, Muslim world: Either you clean up your back yard, or someone with lots of expensive toys will come do it for you. It would be better for everyone if you did it, but the other way works, too.
Yes, this is off-topic and I expect down-modding katir, but I can handle it.
Whoa there, the hole in the ozone layer WOULD have continued to expand (basically until there was no ozone left), but for a heroic international effort to dramatically reduce the amount of CFC's escaping into the atmosphere. Fortunately this was successful.
Whoa there, there is absolutely no PROOF of this. Not one iota. (I love that word...Iota...Iota...)
Without proof, I absolutely will not believe that the very tiny, insubstantial amounts of chlorine released by human activities are responsible for a phenomenon that more than likely has been vascilating for thousands of years.
Bring the proof, then we can talk. Until then, you are making the needle on my bullshit detector bend against the stops.;)
YEah, and don't dare to get into a discussion of Holocaust occurances/nonoccurances. Although those who are deniers are more than a little bit blind, its sad when a group can completely take over a discussion just by saying, "anti-semitism!" with no real points to argue. You can have a logical discussion of the number of Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans killed by the Japanese during and leading up to WWII (over 12 million), the number of Russians killed by Germans in WWI/WWII combined (around 12million), the number of Soviet citizens killed in Stalins purges (around 20 - TWENTY Million!!), the number of Chinese killed in Mao's cultural revolution (ditto, around 20million); but question even for a second the number, method, or whatever of Jews killed in the camps and you get immediately shut down. They drag out the Holocaust every 5 minutes, saying, "Never again," which many would agree with, but how many of the Jewish leaders, or how many Israeli troops, sign up to fight the same sort of situation happening elsewhere? Like, say, Palestine? No, they only mean, "Never again for us!" But bring this up in Holland or Germany, and you can actually be arrested. Scary. That's the problem with liberalism - you have tons of rights, as long as they agree with the liberal mindset.
I think Iraq made a fucking mess of Iraq.... No one held a gun to Saddam's head and told him to invade Kuwait. (if they did, the bastards missed a great chance)
First, Canada was much more a part of the Commonwealth at that time; So was Australia, and they both sent troops, sort of like if North Dakota was invaded by Canada, we'd send troops. Well, maybe a boy scout troop, that'd probably be sufficient, if they had their little knives. Otherwise, the US had no business in WWI, and yes, that was part I of "Europe Makes a Fucking Mess of Itself," which we had no part of causing. As for helping out 'a bit' in WWII, please read history. Europe would be awefully different had the US not become involved. Perhaps the Germans would not have won, but Russia would have not had much reason to stop once they got to Berlin... And, wasn't the big ace Rickenbacker? Or was he just the highest US Ace?
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Second, Saddam Hussein is measurably more brutal than the leadership of N.Korea or Pakistan, although both of those countries should also suffer economic sanctions for violating non-proliferation agreements they made.
Third, one thing at a time, dude, one thing at a time.
Which ones? The Russian AK-47's? The Russian T-55 (and other model tanks? The Russian artillary pieces? The Russian fighters and bombers? You see, we kept such a stock of Russian military hardware during the 80's that we had to unload it on the nearest tyrant with a funny hat, and Saddam won the lottery.Give me a break. Back up, or shut up. And, more importantly, just because you support a country at one point, doesn't necessarily mean you will support every single thing they do from that time onward. Everyone in the world respected Hitler and the atheletes even gave the 'Heil Hitler' salute passing his reviewing stand at the Olympics prior to the second world war. That didn't stop the world from going in and kicking his ass - liberating not only the countries he was attacking, but Germany as well, from his fascist rule.
I dunno, guy, looks to me like the paper your list is written on is wet and smudging more by the hour. Its simple, really. To rid that region, and the world, of a tyrant with illusions of grandieur, so that he can not kill outside or inside his borders any longer. As long as you are worried about economic reasons *for* the war, perhaps you will be so good as to explain France, Germany, and Russia's economic reasons *against* the war, and the illegality of their deals with Saddam's regime.Can we stop the war now, please?
As soon as we accomplish the goal, I'm sure all hostilities will end. Go back to your wine and cheese.
However, since we were not really *in* the Kyoto protocol, Bush really didn't have to do anything. Just let that particular fruit die on the vine. Which is fine by me - the Kyoto protocol is not about reducing 'global warming,' it is about redistributing wealth.
I don't think we're cousins, but the circ crack was totally sarcastic... I think its a brutal form of cosmetic surgery performed on someone who can't give or refuse consent.
And if you have proof of our mousie origins, please put up, or shut up. I'd hate to have my alien come squish your mouse.
You say that like we weren't, you philistine.
Pshaw.... You're probably not even circumcised..
Heh.
Back on topic, my mom has to put up with her two sons going on and on about Microsoft's failings, but she's not quite ready yet to try the L thing.
When that a-hole is out of there, the carrot can be tried again, but he does not want to be part of the world, he wants to rule his little part with an iron fist, and he pissed off too many outsiders this time.
And you can prove the US sold them these agents, or are you just a typical bark-at-the-moon idiot on /.?
Yeah, George Bush is so loved and supported by the Jews in the US you can see how much he'd want to repay them to ensure he has their vote again next go around. What planet are you from?
As someone who just got back from living in Saudi Arabia, I can tell you with a little more authority than you have that you're full of horse-hockey.
The carrot's been tried for 12 years now. time to put up or shut up. If the UN is such a bunch of pussies that they won't do anything, then its up to the US to do it.
Amen!
Funniest...sig...ever! I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything! My nose is stopped up with a cold, and my head could have exploded!
Because you are a moron? Just a suggestion. IF you read your own links on snopes, you'll see that Reagan was blamed for one of them. I think this is just one of those things that gets spread around. So, which 'group' are you blaming? And the lies Gore has told are voluminous, they are well documented, and they are inarguable.
Because it kept going on, and on, and on, and on - sort of like Democrats crying about losing the election, which they most definately did. They recounted time and again, and it all comes up a Bush win (that means Gore lost, to those in Rio Lindo) Hurts, don't it?
You're an idiot. Count after count done during that time and after show he won. Sorry.
Except for the fact that he did not win, you are absolutely wrong. Watch ...anything.
Just because some jackass liberal leftwing filmmaker says it, doesn't mean its true. It was amazing, watching actual footage (undoctored or spun by the news folks)showing them trying to count cards with the Bush hole poked out as a Gore vote because the Gore chad had a poke in it. Sad.
As to the absentee votes, those should have all been counted long before the election. The dems wanted to throw out all the overseas ballots, mainly from military personel, because they are overwhelmingly not Gore supporters.
Democrats are shown time and time again to engage in votefraud. If not fraud, then outright questionable behaviour. Look at how Dems take vans to homes for retarded citizens, then take them and register them to vote; on voting day, they go again and take them to vote, showing them how to fill out the card for the democratic candidate.
Look at how many times the elections have dead people and prisoners (both of these groups are ineligible to vote, although they are both eligible to run for office on the Dem ticket) on the logs as voting for Dems.
It goes on and on.
No, count after count show he did *not* win. Sorry, Cholly, wishing it were so will not make it so. He lost, by a narrow margin, but he did lose. Next?
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"Upstairs, masturbating to gay porn again."
Mohammed said that people have free will to choose to follow Allah. Then, he told the Caliph of Egypt, "Convert, or die." Apostacy is a capital offense in Islam - free will, indeed; if you leave the fold, become a Christian or anything else, you get your head chopped off.
The incident I refer to also shows the warmongering ways of Islam. Islam did not spread via the rational, logical discussion of God/Allah. It was spread through war. Please keep in mind, that prior to the stupid Crusades (which was medieval catholicism, not 'christianity), the Islamists took, by force and through killing innocent people who just happened to disagree with them, the land now called Israel by the civilized world, and 'Occupied Palestine' by the shit eating, rock throwing monkeys of the world.
Last night I was walking with my girlfriend here in Riyadh, where I live. We were accosted by Muttawah - that is the religious police, whose official name is The Society to Promote Virtue and Prevent Vice - the exact same name as the murderers in the Taliban who went around and killed and tortured women for being outside the house without their Mahram (male escort that they are not allowed to marry - son, nephew, father, brother, but oddly enough, not the cousin, that's ok to marry here), or men who did not wear a beard that was long enough to suit them. Crusaders, indeed. These muttawah accosted us because my girlfriend was not wearing her scarf to cover her hair - which is not required by Saudi law for non-muslim, non-Saudi women. But these guys, impotent bullies all, drive around in GMC Suburbans yelling at people to go to prayer, and yelling at women to cover or take off their lipstick.
After 9/11, all we heard in the press here was how bad it was for the poor widdle Muslims in the world, being yelled at outside of mosques. Well, at least they have mosques to go to; could I or any of my collegues go to a church, synagogue, or temple for comfort during these stressful times? No, because Islam is the only religion allowed here - the practice of any other will get you deported at best, or beheaded at worst, as some poor Filipino Christians in prison found out a few years ago.
If you look at a map of the world, and highlight countries where there are large Muslim populations, you will find a great deal of civil unrest. Everywhere they are, there is fighting - they can't seem to get along with their neighbors, and always want to start killing infidels in order to establish a 'pan-islamic state,' like, say, Afghanistan. In Malaysia about 25 years ago, a Muslim lost a local election to an ethnically Chinese Malay - the Muslims went door to door slaughtering non-Muslims in the community who voted out their guy.
In the US, where are all the Muslim converts coming from? The prison system. Interesting.
The Muslim world has spent too many years ignoring the atrocities commited in the name of Allah, speaking out of two sides of its mouth (Arafat is so stupid that he apparently doesn't think the rest of the world can find Arabic translators, as he would constantly say one thing in the press in English, condemning a particular terrorist act, then commend the 'martyr' in Arabic) for me to take any of them seriously any more. They allowed and financially encouraged the Taliban (only recognized as a legitimate government by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan), knowing full well the atrocities committed there. Indeed, the Taliban are made up mostly of Saudis and Pakistanis, with a sprinkling of Yemenis for flavor. They kill and torture, and the Muslim world looks the other way. When someone finally has the balls to stand up to Hussein and say, "Enough, you're out, next batter up," all we here from the Arab/Muslim world is, "Crusade! Infidels in the Holy Land!" Well, as an Infidel in the Holy Land, I say, shut the fuck up.
The lesson to learn from the upcoming war is this, Muslim world: Either you clean up your back yard, or someone with lots of expensive toys will come do it for you. It would be better for everyone if you did it, but the other way works, too.
Yes, this is off-topic and I expect down-modding katir, but I can handle it.
Whoa there, there is absolutely no PROOF of this. Not one iota. (I love that word...Iota...Iota...)
Without proof, I absolutely will not believe that the very tiny, insubstantial amounts of chlorine released by human activities are responsible for a phenomenon that more than likely has been vascilating for thousands of years.
Bring the proof, then we can talk. Until then, you are making the needle on my bullshit detector bend against the stops. ;)
YEah, and don't dare to get into a discussion of Holocaust occurances/nonoccurances. Although those who are deniers are more than a little bit blind, its sad when a group can completely take over a discussion just by saying, "anti-semitism!" with no real points to argue. You can have a logical discussion of the number of Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans killed by the Japanese during and leading up to WWII (over 12 million), the number of Russians killed by Germans in WWI/WWII combined (around 12million), the number of Soviet citizens killed in Stalins purges (around 20 - TWENTY Million!!), the number of Chinese killed in Mao's cultural revolution (ditto, around 20million); but question even for a second the number, method, or whatever of Jews killed in the camps and you get immediately shut down. They drag out the Holocaust every 5 minutes, saying, "Never again," which many would agree with, but how many of the Jewish leaders, or how many Israeli troops, sign up to fight the same sort of situation happening elsewhere? Like, say, Palestine? No, they only mean, "Never again for us!" But bring this up in Holland or Germany, and you can actually be arrested. Scary.
That's the problem with liberalism - you have tons of rights, as long as they agree with the liberal mindset.
I think Iraq made a fucking mess of Iraq.... No one held a gun to Saddam's head and told him to invade Kuwait. (if they did, the bastards missed a great chance)
First, Canada was much more a part of the Commonwealth at that time; So was Australia, and they both sent troops, sort of like if North Dakota was invaded by Canada, we'd send troops. Well, maybe a boy scout troop, that'd probably be sufficient, if they had their little knives.
Otherwise, the US had no business in WWI, and yes, that was part I of "Europe Makes a Fucking Mess of Itself," which we had no part of causing.
As for helping out 'a bit' in WWII, please read history. Europe would be awefully different had the US not become involved. Perhaps the Germans would not have won, but Russia would have not had much reason to stop once they got to Berlin...
And, wasn't the big ace Rickenbacker? Or was he just the highest US Ace?