It's pretty hard to speak of reputable journalism these days. There is very little in the way of big media that is interested in letting people reach their own conclusions.
Seeing as you brought up game companies, lets not forget how gamergate happened, you had a female developer that was sleeping around with game journalists to get good reviews.
Funny enough the game journalists actually are taking their cues from the "professionals"
Well seeing as I have been using the reverse, taking a PN junction and using the current it generates to measure temp for likely longer than you have been alive, I just might understand this.
Here they are publishing an article claiming light emitting diode conversion efficiency exceeds 100% I am betting on measurement error and somebody forgot that everything with a temperature greater than abs zero emits radiation.
Social media allows the pushed narrative to be challenged. It's pretty easy to see how that would upset people who had worked very hard to gain control of it. If you depend on preferential treatment from the government to move your product the last thing you would want is people wondering why they were paying to make you rich.
Or just something a little more obvious, you live in a state that hasn't built a water project in half a century, now has to ration water, but instead of using funds to improve the water system has decided to spend on the order of a hundred billion to build a high speed train system that there is no demand for.
Just saying, if my land was slated to be part of that train system, or I had a large contract to build it, the last thing I would want is voters getting together and talking about how badly they were taking it up the poop shoot.
Should make for a great cage match. The Luddites are going to do whatever they can to stop these, because once people decide the new stuff is tasty there will be no stopping GMO everywhere. A good thing indeed with population heading towards 9 billion.
No it hasn't pricing june 2016 38$/mwh june 2018 121$/mwh
am saying the fossil fuel power plants do not need to pay their capital costs
Costs for an asset don't go away because you want them too, nor do competing costs. The liddel plant had to be refurbished, in other words it needed a capital infusion.
How do you explain New South Wales having the 2nd highest power costs? They did not build renewables and still have the 2nd highest price.
I am saying that wholesale costs are driven down by renewabales.
Except the market says the costs goes up. Hmm could that be because people need power all the time not some of the time ?
The point is all the fossil fuel stations have paid their capital costs.
You're not just green, you're a watermellon. Green on the outside communist on the inside. If you want to use someone's capital asset you will be paying for it or they will tell you to get stuffed. As well they should.
I can say the same thing about the Anti-Greens.
Yes you can say it. But you can't show a developed country where renewables have lowered power costs.
Hell Germany still burns lignite coal to produce power for its heavy industry. They don't want to see businesses leave the country like bacteria fleeing penicillin.
Half right. They are the cheapest when running so they get picked first.
Too bad flipping a light switch doesn't make it daytime, or start the wind blowing. Maybe Australia can just limit people to using power only when renewablies are available. Mankind has been around 5million + years it's only been since the 1900s we have good light at night.
The renewable energy developers are responsible for connecting to the network.
Shame that the connection costs still have to be paid for.
We have not had a new gas or coal station built in decades so no capital cost at all.
That would be free the same way connecting renewables to the grid is free in your universe ?
Also Australian Gas is expensive. It is cheaper to buy Australian Gas from Japan and ship it back then use locally)
Are you trying to make my point ?
Well I am done making fun of you.
I said this in my first post on the topic
I have never met a green that could either see past their nose, or wasn't flat out lying about the problems of their religion.
And I have to thank you for proving me right. I am sure you will respond with something to the effect that it wasn't renewables that caused Australia Denmark Germany Belgum Austria All to have the highest electrical rates in the world. All higher than France which gets it's power from nuclear generation (isn't that supposed to be more expensive ?) or the U.S. which still burns coal, and gets something less than 20% of its power from renewables.
Except the network costs was not driven by increased renewables. What happened was the networks were allowed to invest what ever they wanted and get a guaranteed return. Then demand dropped and they were still allowed the same amount total.
That's flat out false. Renewables were assigned priority so they had to be purchased first. This shifted operation from predictable to unpredictable. Second they were built in locations that required network build out to transport the power. Third because you still needed dispatchable power that wasn't being fully utilized the capital cost vs the fuel cost went way up.
Having to fill in the gaps drives the cost of wholesale power up not the network cost.
Vs
but also one of the lines into the state was down for maintenance that caused the monopoly.
It's the same way you excused and deflected from the fact that renewables are destabilizing the Australian grid and creating the high costs. It's the same way you tried to blame the fossil fuel people for upping their prices when the renewables handed them a monopoly.
Other costs such as network and retail profit margins That is where the real cost is not the renewable cost.
Do you really want to say that adding intermittent power generation hasn't increased the cost of operating the network. Whats more that having to bid for power to fill in the gaps doesn't drive it up further ?
Because that's what you just said and it pegs you as not knowing what you are talking about.
We have gone from having close to the cheapest electricity in the world to among the most expensive. We have all the feeder stock we need — coal, gas and uranium — yet electricity prices have doubled in a decade.
The Australian Energy Market Operator report released this week on the reliability of the electricity system points to the reasonably high likelihood of demand exceeding supply in South Australia and Victoria in the coming summer, with reliability a continuing issue for the next few years in these two states. After 2022 and in the event of the closure of the 2000-megawatt Liddell coal-fired power station in the Hunter Valley, the reliability of the supply of electricity in NSW becomes increasingly problematic.
Look nobody cares about how cheap your generation is if most of the time it can't supply demand. At that point you are either talking about a combined generation system or system with storage and that becomes the cost of the system not the lowball item that only works part of the time.
Last coal-fired power generator in South Australia switched off By Giles Parkinson on 9 May 2016 Print Friendly, PDF & Email
The 520MW Northern brown coal power generator, the last coal-fired power station in South Australia, was switched off for the last time on Monday morning, setting the state on a new path to a decarbonised grid. https://reneweconomy.com.au/la...
This is as simple as night following day. You kill your baseload generation, you have a grid that is much more difficult and expensive to manage.
Aside from that it's a pretty nice way to divert money that could be used for more appropriate things. (The guy who is buying a new home or building one can finance the purchase if they want or need it), oh like expanded generating capacity or beefing up the grid that will have to charge all those cars they expect.
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It's pretty hard to speak of reputable journalism these days. There is very little in the way of big media that is interested in letting people reach their own conclusions.
Seeing as you brought up game companies, lets not forget how gamergate happened, you had a female developer that was sleeping around with game journalists to get good reviews.
Funny enough the game journalists actually are taking their cues from the "professionals"
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
You have reporters at the times and the washington post sleeping with sources to get stories. Does this make them reputable pimps ?
Well seeing as I have been using the reverse, taking a PN junction and using the current it generates to measure temp for likely longer than you have been alive, I just might understand this.
It's pretty poor. What they did is build a thermocouple and run it in reverse. It isn't even new and it certainly isn't overunity.
https://phys.org/news/2012-03-...
Here they are publishing an article claiming light emitting diode conversion efficiency exceeds 100% I am betting on measurement error and somebody forgot that everything with a temperature greater than abs zero emits radiation.
So more "Peer Reviewed" bad science ?
Social media allows the pushed narrative to be challenged. It's pretty easy to see how that would upset people who had worked very hard to gain control of it. If you depend on preferential treatment from the government to move your product the last thing you would want is people wondering why they were paying to make you rich.
Or just something a little more obvious, you live in a state that hasn't built a water project in half a century, now has to ration water, but instead of using funds to improve the water system has decided to spend on the order of a hundred billion to build a high speed train system that there is no demand for.
Just saying, if my land was slated to be part of that train system, or I had a large contract to build it, the last thing I would want is voters getting together and talking about how badly they were taking it up the poop shoot.
Should make for a great cage match. The Luddites are going to do whatever they can to stop these, because once people decide the new stuff is tasty there will be no stopping GMO everywhere. A good thing indeed with population heading towards 9 billion.
That's right he's your president.
Yeah and he's right. The EU has had a vendetta against American tech companies, going back to to Boeing.
Look again at the actual data.
Really phasing out cheap reliable power to use renewables drove up costs SMH
Typo there that should read june 2015 and 39$
The market has said wholesale costs have gone down(see the closure of the coal plant and the reduction of wholesale prices as the reason)
https://www.aer.gov.au/wholesa...
No it hasn't pricing june 2016 38$/mwh june 2018 121$/mwh
am saying the fossil fuel power plants do not need to pay their capital costs
Costs for an asset don't go away because you want them too, nor do competing costs. The liddel plant had to be refurbished, in other words it needed a capital infusion.
How do you explain New South Wales having the 2nd highest power costs? They did not build renewables and still have the 2nd highest price.
They share the same grid.
I am saying that wholesale costs are driven down by renewabales.
Except the market says the costs goes up. Hmm could that be because people need power all the time not some of the time ?
The point is all the fossil fuel stations have paid their capital costs.
You're not just green, you're a watermellon. Green on the outside communist on the inside. If you want to use someone's capital asset you will be paying for it or they will tell you to get stuffed. As well they should.
I can say the same thing about the Anti-Greens.
Yes you can say it. But you can't show a developed country where renewables have lowered power costs.
Hell Germany still burns lignite coal to produce power for its heavy industry. They don't want to see businesses leave the country like bacteria fleeing penicillin.
Half right. They are the cheapest when running so they get picked first.
Too bad flipping a light switch doesn't make it daytime, or start the wind blowing. Maybe Australia can just limit people to using power only when renewablies are available. Mankind has been around 5million + years it's only been since the 1900s we have good light at night.
The renewable energy developers are responsible for connecting to the network.
Shame that the connection costs still have to be paid for.
We have not had a new gas or coal station built in decades so no capital cost at all.
That would be free the same way connecting renewables to the grid is free in your universe ?
Also Australian Gas is expensive. It is cheaper to buy Australian Gas from Japan and ship it back then use locally)
Are you trying to make my point ?
Well I am done making fun of you.
I said this in my first post on the topic
I have never met a green that could either see past their nose, or wasn't flat out lying about the problems of their religion.
And I have to thank you for proving me right. I am sure you will respond with something to the effect that it wasn't renewables that caused
Australia
Denmark
Germany
Belgum
Austria
All to have the highest electrical rates in the world. All higher than France which gets it's power from nuclear generation (isn't that supposed to be more expensive ?) or the U.S. which still burns coal, and gets something less than 20% of its power from renewables.
Seems your cheap is very dear.
Except the network costs was not driven by increased renewables. What happened was the networks were allowed to invest what ever they wanted and get a guaranteed return. Then demand dropped and they were still allowed the same amount total.
That's flat out false. Renewables were assigned priority so they had to be purchased first. This shifted operation from predictable to unpredictable.
Second they were built in locations that required network build out to transport the power.
Third because you still needed dispatchable power that wasn't being fully utilized the capital cost vs the fuel cost went way up.
Having to fill in the gaps drives the cost of wholesale power up not the network cost.
Vs
but also one of the lines into the state was down for maintenance that caused the monopoly.
That's an excuse and it's pointless.
It's the same way you excused and deflected from the fact that renewables are destabilizing the Australian grid and creating the high costs.
It's the same way you tried to blame the fossil fuel people for upping their prices when the renewables handed them a monopoly.
Other costs such as network and retail profit margins That is where the real cost is not the renewable cost.
Do you really want to say that adding intermittent power generation hasn't increased the cost of operating the network. Whats more that having to bid for power to fill in the gaps doesn't drive it up further ?
Because that's what you just said and it pegs you as not knowing what you are talking about.
We have gone from having close to the cheapest electricity in the world to among the most expensive. We have all the feeder stock we need — coal, gas and uranium — yet electricity prices have doubled in a decade.
The Australian Energy Market Operator report released this week on the reliability of the electricity system points to the reasonably high likelihood of demand exceeding supply in South Australia and Victoria in the coming summer, with reliability a continuing issue for the next few years in these two states. After 2022 and in the event of the closure of the 2000-megawatt Liddell coal-fired power station in the Hunter Valley, the reliability of the supply of electricity in NSW becomes increasingly problematic.
https://www.thegwpf.com/green-...
I am sure the people paying the electric bills are equally impressed with your reasoning.
Yeah remind me again how 41 cents/KWH is cheap ?
Look nobody cares about how cheap your generation is if most of the time it can't supply demand. At that point you are either talking about a combined generation system or system with storage and that becomes the cost of the system not the lowball item that only works part of the time.
Last coal-fired power generator in South Australia switched off
By Giles Parkinson on 9 May 2016
Print Friendly, PDF & Email
The 520MW Northern brown coal power generator, the last coal-fired power station in South Australia, was switched off for the last time on Monday morning, setting the state on a new path to a decarbonised grid.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/la...
This is as simple as night following day. You kill your baseload generation, you have a grid that is much more difficult and expensive to manage.
Yes, Crashmarik, I know you can't admit to your dishonest, it is habitually ingrained into your essence.
Wow whoever you are, it seems I am much more important to you than you are to me. Good on the AC, that wound you like a cheap toy.
Subsidies for uneconomic power technologies that were put in to make people feel good about saving the planet and not to generate electric power.
I have never met a green that could either see past their nose, or wasn't flat out lying about the problems of their religion.
Always blindsided by what anyone with a braincell can see
http://reason.com/blog/2017/09...
wow switch to renewables your power availability goes down and your prices become the highest in the world
or closer to home
https://www.pge.com/en/about/n...
and oddly enough your rates in the golden state are going way up
https://abcnews.go.com/US/stor...
Really if you live in CA and you run into someone advocating renewables do yourself a favor and knock out a few of their teeth.
These people want to kill it then sodomize and defecate on the corpse.
Seattle acts like tech businesses are the serfs when there's cities literally fighting each other to get them to relocate.
True enough but then you are into that whole nice thing about standards is that there are so many you can pick the ones you like.
Really ? charge more for something people buy less. You don't say.
I am so sick of forcing editors to display tabs as something visible.
Has family that makes the chargers.
Aside from that it's a pretty nice way to divert money that could be used for more appropriate things. (The guy who is buying a new home or building one can finance the purchase if they want or need it), oh like expanded generating capacity or beefing up the grid that will have to charge all those cars they expect.
It's freaking Open Source. you can get what you need to build your own here https://source.android.com/
If a manufacturer wants something else they can damn well build it themselves.