The only MS telnetd ever provided was a beta one in a 4.0 resource kit, that they clearly said to use at your own risk and never provided support for. If you can affirm you story with usage of the 2k telnet daemon, I'd be interested, but otherwise, those of us who have 4.0 in *production* environments really won't find it relevant
Flipping through a computer catalog today, I saw that there were 4 pin and 6 pin FireWire cables. How on earth, after twenty years of personal computer incompatibilities, have we developed a ultrafast serial transport, and yet still have incompatible cables?
Just about everyone would be a "Microsoft" if they could: Intel intentionally crippling Celeron 2's so not to offer a reasonable price point vis a vis the Pentium 3; Rambus; Pentium Pro's could go 4 or 8 way, with P2 or P3, you can only go 2 way, need to pay the Xeon tax to go more the 2 way SMP. IBM used to be the "Microsoft". Sun's silly Java tricks (standardize, or not.... let us get back to you), etc.
So, this is mildly on topic, but it just shows how we shouldn't be surprised by stupid market leader tricks.
Have less than 100 people, and couldn't possibly comprehend application development. Having worked in DC while in school as a part time network admin for a firm whose client base includes tons of non profits, I can speak about this with some assurancy. Customized app development is not what they need. Despite the myths, any kid in DC who could hack PHP could be doing on a contract basis for good money, and not for 10 an hour from a non profit.
Generally, they look to do things on the cheap, which often means not doing things well. Keeping good geek help is tough, because geeks often feel underappreciated in environments that really don't understand them. We had some difficultly convincing organizations to move to DSL (when it was available, and given that they could lose the dedicated analog line, the ROI was a no brainer).
They do "get" email. A killer app would be a package Linux/BSD distro that could roll out a web based email and contact management system by default. A lot of the somewhat larger non profits have heavy conference attendee or running schedules, so ubiquitous web based access to core line of business info would be critical.
They really don't need special apps for non profits, they could use cheap or free good ones. A PHP pased finance system could be huge as well. Push it to the web.
People may use wireless optical stuff to simply avoid dealing with awful phone companies. Our t1 is upheld by the Verizon fiasco (may be in Fri) now. Att *could* do frame relay for us, as it is 2k for the drop and 1900 a month, in 30 to 45 business days. To expedite the delivery to 15 days, they want to bump us up to national service, so that would be 7k for the drop, and 5300 a month on a 36 month term = a 200k over 3 yr. commitment. We are actively looking at the lucent wireless gear, but building height on our new site is a problem.
Its misery like this that will help push people to find new high bandwidth solutions.
It used to be with recertification that tests req. to recertify were half price. Now, they offer a one shot upgrade exam for the core requirements, and people who qualify for it (don't need to be a full mcse, just pass all 3 nt 4 tests), get a voucher for free. So, its a lot cheaper for people to recertify now than it used to be.
If MS didn't care about the value of the cert, they wouldn't be trying so many new things, like adaptive testing and simulations (both new for MS).
MS does a lot of stupid stuff (repackage some form of windows 9x every year; office 97, bob; their legal dept; etc), but this aint one of them. MS can be taught the error of their ways: they were going to dump the MVP program (honorific cert given to people whose continued service on newsgroups on msnews.microsoft.com deserves recognition) because they felt they needed to have MS staff officially participate in the newsgroups (previously they only did in the password protected beta NGs) because some idiot end users who didn't read the posting guidelines expected there to be so. TOns of people, myself included, wrote MS to request them not to do something so foolish. The majority of MVPs are MAJOR LEAGUE consultants and/or systems admins who have amazing knowledge, and for MS to pull their freebies was ridiculous. MS changed their minds, and the MVPs remain on the newsgroups, offering unparalled advice.
Basically, they say they would like MCSE's to have one yr experience, with 5 to 150 physical locations, etc. Hell, I don't meet the multisite recommendation. MS left the program slide, but I think their forced recertification on everyone for win2k is a sincere effort by them to revalue the cert.
The EU and DOJ already have working relationships on anti-trust, as well as with Canada and Japan, among others. The EU decided to take a wait and see approach with the MS-DOJ action.
matt
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political values when they are such a diverse group?
There are christian geeks, satanic geeks, moon worshipping geeks. Religious diffrences result in different viewpoints on online censorship. On copyright, some want abolishment while others point to copyright as being the basis for the GPL. Geeks have wildly diffrent views on freedom (BSD vs. GPL).
Because Katz isn't a geek, and yet seeks to write about them in perpetuity, he continually convinces himself that there is an overall geek outlook. At best, there is a general tendency towards libertarianism in the computer realm. Jon, the geeks are not going to rise up in unison and stop the "corporatist" usurpers, or whatever your current threat is.
Last bond movie, the gal was using a laptop running Win2k professional beta. As was I, so I leaned over to my friend to ask why I , if a beta tester as well, wasn't meeting those kinds of chicks. hmmph
Candidate records a message, or has a heavy hitter speak on their behalf, and it gets pushed out, and hangs up if a real person answers, as it is only a computer on the other end.
Hmmm, you detest the christian right, and yet you claim that I am inaccurately stereotyping. Hmmm, antiabortion protestors chain themselves in front of abortion clinics, and therefore effectively deny services. Why is it such a stretch to believe they wouldn't do something similar to porn sites?
Using the "christian right" is much simpler to foster discussion than to post my message with the subject line of "Could the (insert your favorite far right wing organization here) DOS porn sites?"
Think about it: by disputing charges, vendors could ultimately lose their credit charging priviledges. So, if the Xtian right orchestrated a campaign, could they effectly DOS porn sites?
The author has pretty good ideas for Novell participation. Novell is going to die unless they jump on Linux soon. There is no such thing as a new Novell installation, only big businesses are buying the upgrades. Netware really doesn't offer much, it is far too overpriced. Yes, it probably does file and print better than anyone else, but that hasn't been enough for at least three years now. For as much pissing and moaning I see on slashdot about MS pricing, Novell aint exactly a bargain.
Now, some Novell evangelist is going to reply and tell me about all the wonderful apps that Novell can run. "Can run" is the operative phrase. Try finding anyone to support them. Big businesses do, but small businesses don't. One of the reasons small businesses cant run the apps that Novell is capable of is that they haven't traveled down the road of the upgrade path. One of Novell's problems is that Netware 3.xx was such a great f&p server that these small businesses never had a reason to upgrade to 4.xx or 5.xx. Netware is fundamentally graying, and I just don't see a lot of people who can support it past file and print, while on the other hand, there are tons of people learning Linux and NT.
Novell's best bet is an cluster capable enterprise ready Linux distro that does all the brilliant NDS stuff. They ought to position it as bringing application serving functions for the low price of Linux while remaining integratable with Netware. I have seen a lot of small Novell shops bring in Linux for email or web, bnut in a standard distro (read: Red Hat), there is a lot more functionality for making the network MS friendly (samba!) than there is to make it Netware friendly. Invariable email and web becomes mission critical (supplanting file and print, thus devaluing Netware's importance), and people question why they continue to deal with Novell client software (keeping up wtih it is a full time job), when they could use the MS stuff, and talk to either samba, or NT.
Its hard for geeks to quantify job time, generally. I am a net admin, but spend time on Slashdot, Anandtech,StorageReview, etc. Reading about Adaptec's new UDMA IDE raid card (I like it for our corporate mp3 server and install servers) is both personal and professional.
Invariably, I end up doing company research at home (I am bringing OpenBSD into my company, and we need a 4 port *BSD compatible PCI com card for a multilink PPP hack job til a T1 goes up, so I was looking around last night).
Hell, even this goddamn time sink of a sight gives me a better general idea of programmers' mindsets (I work for a solution provider that does a lotta java and MS solutions), which is good for the job.
So, on the whole, its hard for geeks to slack online, as they invariable are learning something that might be of use at a later date, even if it is a quick "hey, didja ever hear about (insert relevant OSS project here)" into a discussion in the coffee room.
My father works for Prudential, and they naturally were all over Big Blue. I donno how close it was to being the first laptop, it had a blue tinted monochrome screen, and must have weighed 15 lbs. To expand it, one added 4inch/3inch/15 inch units to the back; I think this is how it got extra comm ports. You could keep adding units until the thing was aboutthe size of a surfboard (there was a printer module).
My first real computer was a PS/2 model 80, which was a 386 with I think 4 mb ram standard, but I had that sonuvabitch rocking with a Kingston 486 upgrade and a Kingston memory MCA board, fully populated with 16mb of ram. It was on this I ran WFW 3.11 and used Prodigy, so I was on the net relatively early, when I was 16 or so (5.5 yrs ago). True geekdom didn't come until I had worked for Pru a couple summer, and got interested in networking.
I still have a *^%#load of various MCA NICs in my basement, the Model 80 is still down there. I should really put Linux on it, or something, just for the memories. I have had Model 77, 56, 57, 60, etc all flow thru, but just that one original PS/2 remains.
Its going to take a year or two for the value of the MCSE to return. MS is effectively bitch slapping the paper MCSE's with 2k recertification. I know it will be tougher, but given that I have worked with NT for over 3 years now, I'll be ready for whenever I get around to taking the 2k exams.
Great Anecdotal response. I'll trade you. My town offers ESL in eight different languages now. I'd imagine more than 2 full time teachers are required for that.
correlation \= causation. In the US, you can find a correlation between LOWER per pupil education spending and test results. Why? Because homogenous states (Utah, etc) don't need to spend as much money on english as a second language programs, trouble youth programs, etc. Are you ready to make the commitment to lowered per pupil costs to increase academic results? matt
FYI, if that ISO of OpenBSD is a rip of Theo de Raadt's one that real OpenBSD cds are made from, then that is a copyright violation. Theo copyrights their cd layouts to encourage cd sales. You only need to download about 40 mb of files to install OpenBSD anyhow.
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The only MS telnetd ever provided was a beta one in a 4.0 resource kit, that they clearly said to use at your own risk and never provided support for. If you can affirm you story with usage of the 2k telnet daemon, I'd be interested, but otherwise, those of us who have 4.0 in *production* environments really won't find it relevant
matt
Flipping through a computer catalog today, I saw that there were 4 pin and 6 pin FireWire cables. How on earth, after twenty years of personal computer incompatibilities, have we developed a ultrafast serial transport, and yet still have incompatible cables?
Just about everyone would be a "Microsoft" if they could: Intel intentionally crippling Celeron 2's so not to offer a reasonable price point vis a vis the Pentium 3; Rambus; Pentium Pro's could go 4 or 8 way, with P2 or P3, you can only go 2 way, need to pay the Xeon tax to go more the 2 way SMP. IBM used to be the "Microsoft". Sun's silly Java tricks (standardize, or not.... let us get back to you), etc.
So, this is mildly on topic, but it just shows how we shouldn't be surprised by stupid market leader tricks.
matt
Have less than 100 people, and couldn't possibly comprehend application development. Having worked in DC while in school as a part time network admin for a firm whose client base includes tons of non profits, I can speak about this with some assurancy. Customized app development is not what they need. Despite the myths, any kid in DC who could hack PHP could be doing on a contract basis for good money, and not for 10 an hour from a non profit.
Generally, they look to do things on the cheap, which often means not doing things well. Keeping good geek help is tough, because geeks often feel underappreciated in environments that really don't understand them. We had some difficultly convincing organizations to move to DSL (when it was available, and given that they could lose the dedicated analog line, the ROI was a no brainer).
They do "get" email. A killer app would be a package Linux/BSD distro that could roll out a web based email and contact management system by default. A lot of the somewhat larger non profits have heavy conference attendee or running schedules, so ubiquitous web based access to core line of business info would be critical.
They really don't need special apps for non profits, they could use cheap or free good ones. A PHP pased finance system could be huge as well. Push it to the web.
ostiguy
People may use wireless optical stuff to simply avoid dealing with awful phone companies. Our t1 is upheld by the Verizon fiasco (may be in Fri) now. Att *could* do frame relay for us, as it is 2k for the drop and 1900 a month, in 30 to 45 business days. To expedite the delivery to 15 days, they want to bump us up to national service, so that would be 7k for the drop, and 5300 a month on a 36 month term = a 200k over 3 yr. commitment. We are actively looking at the lucent wireless gear, but building height on our new site is a problem.
Its misery like this that will help push people to find new high bandwidth solutions.
matt
FWIW, we have a Vaio with a bad keyboard, and another with the screen going out.
It used to be with recertification that tests req. to recertify were half price. Now, they offer a one shot upgrade exam for the core requirements, and people who qualify for it (don't need to be a full mcse, just pass all 3 nt 4 tests), get a voucher for free. So, its a lot cheaper for people to recertify now than it used to be.
If MS didn't care about the value of the cert, they wouldn't be trying so many new things, like adaptive testing and simulations (both new for MS).
MS does a lot of stupid stuff (repackage some form of windows 9x every year; office 97, bob; their legal dept; etc), but this aint one of them. MS can be taught the error of their ways: they were going to dump the MVP program (honorific cert given to people whose continued service on newsgroups on msnews.microsoft.com deserves recognition) because they felt they needed to have MS staff officially participate in the newsgroups (previously they only did in the password protected beta NGs) because some idiot end users who didn't read the posting guidelines expected there to be so. TOns of people, myself included, wrote MS to request them not to do something so foolish. The majority of MVPs are MAJOR LEAGUE consultants and/or systems admins who have amazing knowledge, and for MS to pull their freebies was ridiculous. MS changed their minds, and the MVPs remain on the newsgroups, offering unparalled advice.
matt
Read MS's recommendations:
f ault.asp?PageID=mcp&PageCall=mcse&SubSite= cert/mcse&AnnMenu=mcse
http://www.microsoft.com/trainingandservices/de
Basically, they say they would like MCSE's to have one yr experience, with 5 to 150 physical locations, etc. Hell, I don't meet the multisite recommendation. MS left the program slide, but I think their forced recertification on everyone for win2k is a sincere effort by them to revalue the cert.
ostiguy, mcse
The EU and DOJ already have working relationships on anti-trust, as well as with Canada and Japan, among others. The EU decided to take a wait and see approach with the MS-DOJ action.
matt
political values when they are such a diverse group?
There are christian geeks, satanic geeks, moon worshipping geeks. Religious diffrences result in different viewpoints on online censorship. On copyright, some want abolishment while others point to copyright as being the basis for the GPL. Geeks have wildly diffrent views on freedom (BSD vs. GPL).
Because Katz isn't a geek, and yet seeks to write about them in perpetuity, he continually convinces himself that there is an overall geek outlook. At best, there is a general tendency towards libertarianism in the computer realm. Jon, the geeks are not going to rise up in unison and stop the "corporatist" usurpers, or whatever your current threat is.
matt
Last bond movie, the gal was using a laptop running Win2k professional beta. As was I, so I leaned over to my friend to ask why I , if a beta tester as well, wasn't meeting those kinds of chicks. hmmph
matt
You can throw up to a 64 mb EDO Dimm on them.
Candidate records a message, or has a heavy hitter speak on their behalf, and it gets pushed out, and hangs up if a real person answers, as it is only a computer on the other end.
matt
Hmmm, you detest the christian right, and yet you claim that I am inaccurately stereotyping. Hmmm, antiabortion protestors chain themselves in front of abortion clinics, and therefore effectively deny services. Why is it such a stretch to believe they wouldn't do something similar to porn sites?
Using the "christian right" is much simpler to foster discussion than to post my message with the subject line of "Could the (insert your favorite far right wing organization here) DOS porn sites?"
matt, registered republican
Think about it: by disputing charges, vendors could ultimately lose their credit charging priviledges. So, if the Xtian right orchestrated a campaign, could they effectly DOS porn sites?
matt
I only need to avoid one!!!! Woooohooo, productivity here I come!!!!!!!!
matt
Do you honestly feel the average 30 person company has an employee who reads Slashdot? You are an atypical case.
matt
The author has pretty good ideas for Novell participation. Novell is going to die unless they jump on Linux soon. There is no such thing as a new Novell installation, only big businesses are buying the upgrades. Netware really doesn't offer much, it is far too overpriced. Yes, it probably does file and print better than anyone else, but that hasn't been enough for at least three years now. For as much pissing and moaning I see on slashdot about MS pricing, Novell aint exactly a bargain.
Now, some Novell evangelist is going to reply and tell me about all the wonderful apps that Novell can run. "Can run" is the operative phrase. Try finding anyone to support them. Big businesses do, but small businesses don't. One of the reasons small businesses cant run the apps that Novell is capable of is that they haven't traveled down the road of the upgrade path. One of Novell's problems is that Netware 3.xx was such a great f&p server that these small businesses never had a reason to upgrade to 4.xx or 5.xx. Netware is fundamentally graying, and I just don't see a lot of people who can support it past file and print, while on the other hand, there are tons of people learning Linux and NT.
Novell's best bet is an cluster capable enterprise ready Linux distro that does all the brilliant NDS stuff. They ought to position it as bringing application serving functions for the low price of Linux while remaining integratable with Netware. I have seen a lot of small Novell shops bring in Linux for email or web, bnut in a standard distro (read: Red Hat), there is a lot more functionality for making the network MS friendly (samba!) than there is to make it Netware friendly. Invariable email and web becomes mission critical (supplanting file and print, thus devaluing Netware's importance), and people question why they continue to deal with Novell client software (keeping up wtih it is a full time job), when they could use the MS stuff, and talk to either samba, or NT.
matt
At least they didn't say "the alleged vanishing"
matt
Its hard for geeks to quantify job time, generally. I am a net admin, but spend time on Slashdot, Anandtech,StorageReview, etc. Reading about Adaptec's new UDMA IDE raid card (I like it for our corporate mp3 server and install servers) is both personal and professional.
Invariably, I end up doing company research at home (I am bringing OpenBSD into my company, and we need a 4 port *BSD compatible PCI com card for a multilink PPP hack job til a T1 goes up, so I was looking around last night).
Hell, even this goddamn time sink of a sight gives me a better general idea of programmers' mindsets (I work for a solution provider that does a lotta java and MS solutions), which is good for the job.
So, on the whole, its hard for geeks to slack online, as they invariable are learning something that might be of use at a later date, even if it is a quick "hey, didja ever hear about (insert relevant OSS project here)" into a discussion in the coffee room.
matt
My father works for Prudential, and they naturally were all over Big Blue. I donno how close it was to being the first laptop, it had a blue tinted monochrome screen, and must have weighed 15 lbs. To expand it, one added 4inch/3inch/15 inch units to the back; I think this is how it got extra comm ports. You could keep adding units until the thing was aboutthe size of a surfboard (there was a printer module).
My first real computer was a PS/2 model 80, which was a 386 with I think 4 mb ram standard, but I had that sonuvabitch rocking with a Kingston 486 upgrade and a Kingston memory MCA board, fully populated with 16mb of ram. It was on this I ran WFW 3.11 and used Prodigy, so I was on the net relatively early, when I was 16 or so (5.5 yrs ago). True geekdom didn't come until I had worked for Pru a couple summer, and got interested in networking.
I still have a *^%#load of various MCA NICs in my basement, the Model 80 is still down there. I should really put Linux on it, or something, just for the memories. I have had Model 77, 56, 57, 60, etc all flow thru, but just that one original PS/2 remains.
matt
Its going to take a year or two for the value of the MCSE to return. MS is effectively bitch slapping the paper MCSE's with 2k recertification. I know it will be tougher, but given that I have worked with NT for over 3 years now, I'll be ready for whenever I get around to taking the 2k exams.
matt
Great Anecdotal response. I'll trade you. My town offers ESL in eight different languages now. I'd imagine more than 2 full time teachers are required for that.
correlation \= causation. In the US, you can find a correlation between LOWER per pupil education spending and test results. Why? Because homogenous states (Utah, etc) don't need to spend as much money on english as a second language programs, trouble youth programs, etc. Are you ready to make the commitment to lowered per pupil costs to increase academic results? matt
You are an idiot. The explosion onto the net has allowed me to buy DVDs and hardware at asinine prices for over two years now.
Thank you VC and stock market hucksters!
matt
FYI, if that ISO of OpenBSD is a rip of Theo de Raadt's one that real OpenBSD cds are made from, then that is a copyright violation. Theo copyrights their cd layouts to encourage cd sales. You only need to download about 40 mb of files to install OpenBSD anyhow.
matt