Very well stated. Ken is one of the most admirable guys I've come across on the net and I haven't had the opportunity to meet him. Its a shame to see this happen to him. As for JP it wouldn't be worth another keystroke typing the thoughts about him. Harvard made themselves look like the biggest asses by pulling that sort of manuever, without question. Freedom of speech to them must mean: Freedom of speech as long as it doesn't interrupt out financial status or Prestige. But there Prestige just took the backseat.
Take a browse through these posts and I'm sure you'll see a lot of groans throughout the thread. Personally to me it sucks (Caldera) If I were you I'd stick to SuSE which is as user friendly a distro as most should be or Redhat which now comes with Gnome and KDE. Slackware was cool at one point and I haven't used Debian to make a judgement on it... Then again I'm no one to pass judgement.
After receiving the Caldera distro (2.2) at the New York PC expo, I decided to install it to toy with it. Bad bad bad mistake. For one the graphics are cheesy and reminded me of my graphic arts days at an Adevrtising Agency. After going through the lag caused by the overkill of graphics, I created a new partition for it finished the install and up popped the tacky Tetris game to try to amuse me while it finished the post install. After rebooting, the distro decided to screw up my hard drive. Sectors were all out of wack as it decided to make its own changes and delete whatever it wanted to. Bad bad bad move. I wouldn't recommend Caldera to anyone. Redhat is pretty ok, but SuSE rocks. OpenBSD is the bomb for security, but lacking in programs.
2:I speak as an employee at a kick ass company. One which I know from working there that takes pride in what we do. Company spokesperson? No... Just an employee.
Logging? Of connections to the system as any... ANY system administrators would do. Logging of who searches what name? A waste of time. Ourselves (the employess) Probably use it more then anyone else when we get e-mail on people with problems.
customer: I registered www.whatever.com and I need to change the DNS info
employees whois www.whatever.com
Which would mean that if we did keep track of what was searched 75% would probably be duplicate registered domains. It would be ludicrous to log that information. But I see the perspective people are trying to get at. Bottom line: WE DO NOT KEEP LOGS OF THE WHOIS SEARCHES!
But since your going to come back with some super spiffy *golly geez he's bullsh!tting response* I auto echo >>/dev/null
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Then why did that person lose aolsearch.com to AOL, with *no* court action and no volentary arrangements? (Yes, there's more to it than just this, but...). NSI effectively broke first-come, first-served.
No one would be able to answer that except the people at NSI.
It could've been lawyers scaring the sh!#@ out of the registrant for all anyone knows. It could've been a buy-out issue where he was given money for it. Who knows... contact NSI for that.
heh hope they pick up the phone or answer their e-mail
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Register.com has been conducting unethical activity for quite some time as well as cheating.
Hopefully you're not getting your news from moronic sites like AntiOnline, where clubies right downright garbage
1. Register.com has blacklisting some people who register domains through them, but don't buy their extra services - I'm among one of these people blacklisted so this is certainly real.
Buy our services? We register names. Looking to buy a name... then register it. What blacklisting are you speaking of? Paying for the domain? sorry tough guy there's a fee for it. So what "service* are you speaking of?
2. Register.com sold whois lookup logs to domain speculators according to some sources. So people who did whois lookups through Register.com's interface may've had their queries logged and sold to others - this is unethical at best and possibly illegal.
Again where did you get this information from? We don't keep logs of what people "look up" that'd probably be a good 200mb file on a daily basis. Get your information correct or at least halfway so.
3. Register.com gave some registrants (possibly themselves) preference over the public in registering domain names such as TITS.COM - deleted by NSI after my complaints.
Again check your sources. We ban all those registrations. During the first few days of the registration process 1000's of people tried to pull registering fuck.com etc names. This was probably one instance of the matter. Giving ourselves preference? So you must think we get free registration? I wish... you really should check your sources Everything is being monitored by who other than... ICANN themselves
Bottom line is where is ICANN in all of this and while many here don't care for NSI, it could be much worse as I illustrate with Register.com.
Bottom line is there should not be "ONE" source to register domain names under any circumstance. Can you say "MONOPOLY"?
Backgrounder regarding Register.com cheating with TITS.COM:
On or about Jun-8-1999 TITS.COM shows up in the root servers and is shown registered to someone at Register.com. While registrars may have different rules in regards to domain names they accept, this is NOT the issue in this case.
The issue was how could someone register TITS.COM through Register.com when the average person can't. Try to register TITS.anything at Register.com and your *request* is *immediately* rejected. So if the average person can't even get beyond the opening screen at Register.com, then how could TITS.COM been registered there??
It turns out that Register.com was cheating and giving some registrants (possibly themselves) preference in registering domain names that the average person couldn't through their system. Their cheating is well documented. TITS.COM was removed from the root servers a few days after my complaints to NSI and is now officially removed from the domain name system.
As for the rest of your message I echo >>/dev/null you're replies are based on? Do some research and possibly get info from the source off hand, not some second hand 0-day news source. Remember there's always... wait let me re-phrase: ALWAYS, two sides to the story. Maybe someone in our comapany was testing cgi scripts to ban those names and you caught it at that point in time. Ever think of that?
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It's apparent that any solution that puts the core of DNS into the hands of for-profit companies is going to fail. Furthermore, situations where DNS naming gets in the way of corporate goals (see 'aolsearch.com') is going to be screwed up by any for-profit company, because they can be bought out.
We leave DNS in the hands of the domain owners: http://mydomain.register.com
We need more than.com and.net.
Currently they are working on the.web.art and etc domains... sit tight
We need a neutral organization that honors the 'first come, first served' principle when it comes to trademark disputes (as we all know that a domain name != trademark).
Where have you been? It's always been a first come first served basis. Trademark disputes go through court we don't ban anyone from registering www.whatever-they-want.com
We need cheaper domain registation fees.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately this has been addressed and is being looked into
We need the main database to be behind a highly secure and highly private wall so that info cannot be accessed or sold.
Going through our company you can actually change your info to show absolute minimal info.
None of these are going to happen with NSI or ICANN aboard, but there's no way to break that system up unless an open source or open community solution was found. Unfortunately, as the net becomes more and more commercialized, the ability of such a solution to be viable drops less and less.
You've failed to see the light over the ocean my friend. NSI isn't the only registrar anymore. Now you have choices.
Right now I work for register.com one of the "other" registrars, and what it boils down to is NSI being a bunch of jealous monopolizers. For one their service is lousy: Have you ever tried to change your contact info? DNS info? You would know. I'm glad ICANN broke up their monopolization of the registration game not only because I work for a registrar but because it's a sign of the times that things are going forward.
Why should you care? Simple if you ever go to register a domain, wouldnt you want to have the option of choosing who'd you like to service you? Or... If you needed surgery, why would you HAVE to go to one doctor that someone else says you have to go to? Why couldn't you have the option of going elsewhere? Service is as service does and NSI's sevrice just doesn't cut it.
5 reasons why we're better?
1: We answer the damn phones and provide people with real time service not some second hand " fill-out-the-template-we'll-get-back-to-you-later" template.
2: We allow users who register with us to modify their DNS, Contact info, etc, on the fly, without having to wait for three week confirmations on a template you have to fill out.
3: Customer servive!^#@ We actually are there 7 days a week and pick up the phone and answer e-mails the minute they come in. NSI: don't know I sent an e-mail 2 weeks ago... waiting for a response.
4: There's no harsh feelings towards other registrars. We try to accomodate and help the other registrars with their problems instead of sending them in a loopback. NSI: Gives us the runaround. (don't work with em go against them mentality)
5: (personal reason) We have a cooler name^%$!@#^%$
Anyways... This reverts to the Microsoft trial of David & Goliath...
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Very well stated. Ken is one of the most admirable guys I've come across on the net and I haven't had the opportunity to meet him. Its a shame to see this happen to him. As for JP it wouldn't be worth another keystroke typing the thoughts about him. Harvard made themselves look like the biggest asses by pulling that sort of manuever, without question. Freedom of speech to them must mean: Freedom of speech as long as it doesn't interrupt out financial status or Prestige. But there Prestige just took the backseat.
Ken your the man.
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sil@antioffline.com
sil@macroshaft.org
Take a browse through these posts and I'm sure you'll see a lot of groans throughout the thread. Personally to me it sucks (Caldera) If I were you I'd stick to SuSE which is as user friendly a distro as most should be or Redhat which now comes with Gnome and KDE. Slackware was cool at one point and I haven't used Debian to make a judgement on it... Then again I'm no one to pass judgement.
After receiving the Caldera distro (2.2) at the New York PC expo, I decided to install it to toy with it. Bad bad bad mistake. For one the graphics are cheesy and reminded me of my graphic arts days at an Adevrtising Agency. After going through the lag caused by the overkill of graphics, I created a new partition for it finished the install and up popped the tacky Tetris game to try to amuse me while it finished the post install. After rebooting, the distro decided to screw up my hard drive. Sectors were all out of wack as it decided to make its own changes and delete whatever it wanted to. Bad bad bad move. I wouldn't recommend Caldera to anyone. Redhat is pretty ok, but SuSE rocks. OpenBSD is the bomb for security, but lacking in programs.
First of all, lets clear this tits.com situation:
h ois/?STRING=tits.com
/dev/null
http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/w
For one.
2:I speak as an employee at a kick ass company. One which I know from working there that takes pride in what we do. Company spokesperson? No... Just an employee.
Logging? Of connections to the system as any... ANY system administrators would do. Logging of who searches what name? A waste of time. Ourselves (the employess) Probably use it more then anyone else when we get e-mail on people with problems.
customer: I registered www.whatever.com and I need to change the DNS info
employees whois www.whatever.com
Which would mean that if we did keep track of what was searched 75% would probably be duplicate registered domains. It would be ludicrous to log that information. But I see the perspective people are trying to get at. Bottom line: WE DO NOT KEEP LOGS OF THE WHOIS SEARCHES!
But since your going to come back with some super spiffy *golly geez he's bullsh!tting response* I auto echo >>
I couldn't have worded that better if I tried.
Then why did that person lose aolsearch.com
to AOL, with *no* court action and no
volentary arrangements? (Yes, there's
more to it than just this, but...). NSI
effectively broke first-come, first-served.
No one would be able to answer that except the people at NSI.
It could've been lawyers scaring the sh!#@ out of the registrant for all anyone knows. It could've been a buy-out issue where he was given money for it. Who knows... contact NSI for that.
heh hope they pick up the phone or answer their e-mail
Register.com has been conducting unethical activity for quite some time as well as
... ICANN themselves
/dev/null you're replies are based on? Do some research and possibly get info from the source off hand, not some second hand 0-day news source. Remember there's always... wait let me re-phrase: ALWAYS, two sides to the story. Maybe someone in our comapany was testing cgi scripts to ban those names and you caught it at that point in time. Ever think of that?
cheating.
Hopefully you're not getting your news from moronic sites like AntiOnline, where clubies right downright garbage
1. Register.com has blacklisting some people who register domains through them, but don't buy their extra services - I'm among one of these people blacklisted so this is certainly real.
Buy our services? We register names. Looking to buy a name... then register it. What blacklisting are you speaking of? Paying for the domain? sorry tough guy there's a fee for it. So what "service* are you speaking of?
2. Register.com sold whois lookup logs to domain speculators according to some sources. So people who did whois lookups through Register.com's interface may've had their queries logged and sold to others - this is unethical at best and possibly illegal.
Again where did you get this information from? We don't keep logs of what people "look up" that'd probably be a good 200mb file on a daily basis. Get your information correct or at least halfway so.
3. Register.com gave some registrants (possibly themselves) preference over the public in
registering domain names such as TITS.COM - deleted by NSI after my complaints.
Again check your sources. We ban all those registrations. During the first few days of the registration process 1000's of people tried to pull registering fuck.com etc names. This was probably one instance of the matter. Giving ourselves preference? So you must think we get free registration? I wish... you really should check your sources Everything is being monitored by who other than
Bottom line is where is ICANN in all of this and while many here don't care for NSI, it could be much worse as I illustrate with Register.com.
Bottom line is there should not be "ONE" source to register domain names under any circumstance. Can you say "MONOPOLY"?
Backgrounder regarding Register.com cheating with TITS.COM:
On or about Jun-8-1999 TITS.COM shows up in the root servers and is shown registered to someone at Register.com. While registrars may have different rules in regards to domain names they accept, this is NOT the issue in this case.
The issue was how could someone register TITS.COM through Register.com when the average person can't. Try to register TITS.anything at Register.com and your *request* is *immediately* rejected. So if the average person can't even get beyond the opening screen at Register.com, then how could TITS.COM been registered there??
It turns out that Register.com was cheating and giving some registrants (possibly themselves) preference in registering domain names that the average person couldn't through their system. Their cheating is well documented. TITS.COM was removed from the root servers a few days after my complaints to NSI and is now officially removed from the domain name system.
As for the rest of your message I echo >>
It's apparent that any solution that puts the
.com and .net.
.web .art and etc domains... sit tight
core of DNS into the hands of for-profit
companies is going to fail. Furthermore,
situations where DNS naming gets in the way of
corporate goals (see 'aolsearch.com') is
going to be screwed up by any for-profit company,
because they can be bought out.
We leave DNS in the hands of the domain owners:
http://mydomain.register.com
We need more than
Currently they are working on the
We need a neutral organization that honors the
'first come, first served' principle when it
comes to trademark disputes (as we all know
that a domain name != trademark).
Where have you been? It's always been a first come first served basis. Trademark disputes go through court we don't ban anyone from registering www.whatever-they-want.com
We need cheaper domain registation fees.
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately this has been addressed and is being looked into
We need the main database to be behind a
highly secure and highly private wall so that
info cannot be accessed or sold.
Going through our company you can actually change your info to show absolute minimal info.
None of these are going to happen with NSI or
ICANN aboard, but there's no way to break
that system up unless an open source or
open community solution was found.
Unfortunately, as the net becomes more and
more commercialized, the ability of such a
solution to be viable drops less and less.
You've failed to see the light over the ocean my friend. NSI isn't the only registrar anymore. Now you have choices.
I speak out of dealing with NSI on a daily basis.
" template.
Right now I work for register.com one of the "other" registrars, and what it boils down to is NSI being a bunch of jealous monopolizers. For one their service is lousy: Have you ever tried to change your contact info? DNS info? You would know. I'm glad ICANN broke up their monopolization of the registration game not only because I work for a registrar but because it's a sign of the times that things are going forward.
Why should you care?
Simple if you ever go to register a domain, wouldnt you want to have the option of choosing who'd you like to service you? Or... If you needed surgery, why would you HAVE to go to one doctor that someone else says you have to go to? Why couldn't you have the option of going elsewhere? Service is as service does and NSI's sevrice just doesn't cut it.
5 reasons why we're better?
1: We answer the damn phones and provide people with real time service not some second hand " fill-out-the-template-we'll-get-back-to-you-later
2: We allow users who register with us to modify their DNS, Contact info, etc, on the fly, without having to wait for three week confirmations on a template you have to fill out.
3: Customer servive!^#@ We actually are there 7 days a week and pick up the phone and answer e-mails the minute they come in. NSI: don't know I sent an e-mail 2 weeks ago... waiting for a response.
4: There's no harsh feelings towards other registrars. We try to accomodate and help the other registrars with their problems instead of sending them in a loopback. NSI: Gives us the runaround. (don't work with em go against them mentality)
5: (personal reason) We have a cooler name^%$!@#^%$
Anyways... This reverts to the Microsoft trial of
David & Goliath...
Down with the evil empire
My two cents.
Yours truly
J. Oquendo Register.com employee
joquendo@register.com http://www.register.com
sil@antioffline.com http://www.antioffline.com
sil@macroshaft.org http://www.macroshaft.org
root@regret.org http://www.regret.org
xp0rnstar@xt0rshun.org http://www.xt0rshun.org
root@genexsys.org http://www.genexsys.org