It's a major pain if the standard gets charged for, I'll name a few reasons: - Difficult/expensive to get at for individuals (want to do anything as a not-well paid worker in India? Well, fork over 50 euro for the standard first) - Hard to tell which standards you really need. I've forked over 50 euro just to get a few pages (20 pages of meta-information and 3 pages of actual info sometimes) with information readily found on the internet. - Having to fork over the same amount for each *update* of the standard. Never mind that they don't even make clear which changes those are and if they are relevant to you. - A freaking nuisance to manage them. Who to make the standard available to? Can you give it to an outside consultancy firm? Can employees take them home? What happens if they get published on the internet? We now hire a company to get us updates for ISO standards, costs us thousands of euro's each year. - DRM, mostly in Adobe, illegal to copy things from a freakin' standard - Not readily available when you need them. I cannot work for my company from here since I cannot even look in the darn standards. - A large amount of the money goes into administration and overhead anyway. And that's just out of the top of my head.
Most of the time the industry involved wants to be involved with a standard. If they are not involved they tend to miss the first few years of development. Let the companies involved spend some money so they've get the competitive edge. That should be reward enough in itself.
For those who haven't read until the end of the boring article, let me just put in the last sentence:
"According to the Alliance, users can expect future Wi-Fi products to be fully compatible with todayâ(TM)s products."
Well, that's at least a relieve. Hopefully they did not have to drop a lot of features to get that result. The other good thing is having an official test suite, so products don't have to be tested 1:N where N is all the other products out there. Although I presume there are also Draft N test suites available already.
The question is of course if you would still be bothered by pad dots if they were like pieces of dust on a newspaper. However, since the dots are active, you would probably do, because they would be more like stars on a clear night. Still, if they could test and make sure they don't emit light, you might be able to live with a few bad dots - if they are spread out evenly.
AFAIK VIA does not produce any Java accelerators for their processors (and I keep a close watch on them). So in general I think they just get much better speed, which in turn will make running Java desktop applications much more bearable. The overhead of Java is not so noticeable on current desktop processors, but one something like the XO 1.0 it's a different story.
No no, the morphine death was a relief. Trust me, I won't sue the doctor for that. It just came a few weeks too late. And at that time it could not be a peaceful ending anymore. Fortunately my mother did not have to go through that.
As for the past horrors; yes, they are horrors. On the other hand I can only hope I get as much out of life as they did. So all in all I can live with the last few years - they certainly had many good moments in them as well. I never was as close to my parents as an adult as then.
Well, I suppose that's true, but normally treatment involves quite a few scans and blood samples to see how many cancer cells are in the blood. After a few of those, it is at least sure that you have cancer. The photos sometimes leave something to be desired for cancer in its initial stages, but for advanced long cancer I don't think that there is normally any doubt. And don't forget this was a person with a huge amount of money. He will have probably had a second and third opinion anyway.
Thats just idiotic. The difference in ending your own life (that's *YOUR* own life) is so completely different from topping off somebody else. Do we even have to discuss that? Or do you want to go straight ahead and discuss longer prison sentences for those committing suicide?
Both my parents died (just in their sixties) from cancer. My father had brain cancer, and the doctor did not think that he was thinking straight enough to make up his mind to choose euthanasia. He died in a rather horrible way because of a morphine overdose in the end (natural death my arse) after begging for it for a whole weekend. My mother died of euthanasia by a doctor. If I would recommend any way of dying from cancer it would be the last one. It was a relieve to see her go before things got really bad, although she was already unable to get out of bed.
But never forget how much humans are "stuck" to life. You must go really really far before "committing suicide" at that age. Only when my mothers body was really giving up *then* she was ready for the final moment, not before. This explains why so many people are against euthanasia - it literally goes against every gene in our body to release life. This has nothing to do with religion in general, IMHO. It also explains why people (including me) thinks it is brave to end your life before the agony really starts to begin. My mother was completely lucid when she choose to end her life - something I only hope I will have the courage to do.
That said, I am against shooting yourself, because it will traumatize your loved ones as well as those involved. This is also one reason why I am rather against laws that forbid euthanasia; you can see even very conservative people will choose for themselves anyway. The other one is of course that despite it going "against nature", my life is my life, and others don't have the right to make these kind of decisions for me.
I somehow think you don't appreciate the psychological effect of finding a loved one without a head to speak of. Here in NL we've got train drivers that have a certain number of suicides and never recover.
As a westerner you've also more time to reflect on live itself. If you are continuously struggling for your life, ending it is not something that comes into your mind easily. You can't be trying to get a living while reflecting upon it too much; it brings too much indecisiveness with it. Also, if you are very religious, you are required to have a goal and not to do sinful things like killing yourself.
So it's not just the length of life that matters. I think most people in Africa that don't die as a child get to an age, say 15, where suicide becomes common.
My reply was a bit harsh yes, but don't forget the author was directly implying that using 2 to the power of 10 was the *right way*. That's what this whole discussion was about and is much more arrogant than my reply.
It's the human readable version of ls, what do you think the -h is for? If you use -h to get to the number in bytes rather than using the precise number (computers have no trouble parsing a number such as 4712387412) without -h, then yes, I call this person an idiot. If he's at my company he would get shouted at.
Parsing output meant for humans is not something you should do, unless you are prepared for the complexity. Parsing command line input in general is something you should try and avoid. I've seen countless times that is goes horribly wrong, and it keeps an interface designed for humans to evolve (e.g. using GiB because it has become standardized).
A byte is now generally known to be 8 bits, even though this was not always so. But where is the problem? A byte is defined as 8 bits and a kilo as a thousand of . So 1 KB is 8000 bits. I don't see the problem. Much easier than calculating that it should be 8192 bits for most people, don't you agree?
Using birds of prey to fend off pigeons from buildings has been standard practice for some while. I'm not sure you can decouple these birds so easily from their default environment though; I don't think that using them for too many buildings will work. They are highly individual birds that will fly back when they decide to, so it would be hard to run a tight schedule.
If there are many birds it would be more useful for owners of big buildings just to make a nesting site somewhere on the top of the building (or a neighboring one). It is hard to get right though, since the dimensions and location and structure have to be exactly right.
Important buildings like the burj al arab hotel use falcons to fend off pigeons (or more specifically, pigeon poop). Saw it on discovery.
Absolutely not. When I was in tech support for a whole freakin' year I haven't had any complaints like that, people just go out and buy new stuff. The only capacity related calls I got where related to slow computers (related to running out of RAM) and CD overburning. That's not going to change quickly.
Where is my post? Slashdot data base corruption or is it just the UI? Since the SSD manufacturers like Intel and OCZ are certainly using 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes (I'm using the comma to humor you US citizens), they say so on their data sheets. OCZ is even substracting FS overhead for their system parts just to make it more clear to the consumer to show how much can be stored on their SSD (which I personally feel stretches it a bit).
I did put in the full text from the Intel and OCZ sites, but I presume you are able to find them yourselves.
"Lots of people who aren't acquainted with the field use electricity too, that doesn't mean they get to define what a kilovolt means."
Yes, but there is not a discussion about terms that have been standardized ages ago. A kilo is just the same kilo in kilovolt as in any other unit - except for *some parts* of computers.
"When it comes to RAM, computers use the base-2 number system. The only way to accurately measure large amounts of capacity accurately and use a whole number to do it is using base 2. "
"Unless you feel comfortable having 1.0737418240 "gigabytes" (1073741824 bytes) of memory instead of 1 gigabyte of memory."
I absolutely am. I cannot do any exact calculations using that number anyway because of overhead and the awkward notation. I don't do calculations base 2 too good inside of my head, even though I have been doing hexadecimals since 1988 or so - and on a daily base for at least 8 years running. The computer does not have any problems with numbers like 1.0737418240.
"Oh, by the way, the average person is going to take the "1.0737418240" figure from the manufacture and truncate it to something like "1.07" and say they have that much memory, which results in the figure actually being incorrect."
Absolutely. And the 37418240 bytes left can just sod off for all I care. Whichever system you are running, you will have rounding errors, unless you are doing something very *very* close to the hardware.
Don't forget, even if everything is going to be base 10 you still have the GiB etc. designators. Use those if you really really need to do base 2.
Very nerdy because the only entities that would communicate this way are other nerds and computers. Unfortunately for you, other people use computers too. And trust me, they are far far far in the majority.
Two problems with this statement: 1 - media that relies on money from third parties (because subscription fees are just a part of the total amount earned) may also be a threat to independent journalism - as the third party almost always is advertising, this means that those media relies on commerce, and most likely it relies on mega corps 2 - money can be used to produce high quality articles, but in no way should the it be implied that having money for news mean that the articles would be of a higher quality, or more independent
No, it's just going to be the exact size. Since we revert/have already reverted back to the normal usage of the words "kilo", "mega" etc. Let's recreate that list:
So it will take, if we take a overhead of 15% about 2,000,000 / 850 = 2350 seconds to send 2 GB of data over a 1 Gbit link. If your drive could ever reach that speed of course.
Now calculate that for that 2 TB definition that you are using. Don't forget that networking speeds are already in base 10, so 1 KB / s is different from 1 Kbit/sec in your definition.
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It's a major pain if the standard gets charged for, I'll name a few reasons:
- Difficult/expensive to get at for individuals (want to do anything as a not-well paid worker in India? Well, fork over 50 euro for the standard first)
- Hard to tell which standards you really need. I've forked over 50 euro just to get a few pages (20 pages of meta-information and 3 pages of actual info sometimes) with information readily found on the internet.
- Having to fork over the same amount for each *update* of the standard. Never mind that they don't even make clear which changes those are and if they are relevant to you.
- A freaking nuisance to manage them. Who to make the standard available to? Can you give it to an outside consultancy firm? Can employees take them home? What happens if they get published on the internet? We now hire a company to get us updates for ISO standards, costs us thousands of euro's each year.
- DRM, mostly in Adobe, illegal to copy things from a freakin' standard
- Not readily available when you need them. I cannot work for my company from here since I cannot even look in the darn standards.
- A large amount of the money goes into administration and overhead anyway.
And that's just out of the top of my head.
Most of the time the industry involved wants to be involved with a standard. If they are not involved they tend to miss the first few years of development. Let the companies involved spend some money so they've get the competitive edge. That should be reward enough in itself.
For those who haven't read until the end of the boring article, let me just put in the last sentence:
"According to the Alliance, users can expect future Wi-Fi products to be fully compatible with todayâ(TM)s products."
Well, that's at least a relieve. Hopefully they did not have to drop a lot of features to get that result. The other good thing is having an official test suite, so products don't have to be tested 1:N where N is all the other products out there. Although I presume there are also Draft N test suites available already.
The question is of course if you would still be bothered by pad dots if they were like pieces of dust on a newspaper. However, since the dots are active, you would probably do, because they would be more like stars on a clear night. Still, if they could test and make sure they don't emit light, you might be able to live with a few bad dots - if they are spread out evenly.
AFAIK VIA does not produce any Java accelerators for their processors (and I keep a close watch on them). So in general I think they just get much better speed, which in turn will make running Java desktop applications much more bearable. The overhead of Java is not so noticeable on current desktop processors, but one something like the XO 1.0 it's a different story.
No no, the morphine death was a relief. Trust me, I won't sue the doctor for that. It just came a few weeks too late. And at that time it could not be a peaceful ending anymore. Fortunately my mother did not have to go through that.
As for the past horrors; yes, they are horrors. On the other hand I can only hope I get as much out of life as they did. So all in all I can live with the last few years - they certainly had many good moments in them as well. I never was as close to my parents as an adult as then.
Well, I suppose that's true, but normally treatment involves quite a few scans and blood samples to see how many cancer cells are in the blood. After a few of those, it is at least sure that you have cancer. The photos sometimes leave something to be desired for cancer in its initial stages, but for advanced long cancer I don't think that there is normally any doubt. And don't forget this was a person with a huge amount of money. He will have probably had a second and third opinion anyway.
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Advanced lung cancer? Misdiagnosed? Are you mad? You are more likely to misdiagnose the cause of his death than terminal lung cancer.
Anyway, even if it was misdiagnosed, anything that acts so bad as advanced malignant lung cancer *should* be fatal.
Thats just idiotic. The difference in ending your own life (that's *YOUR* own life) is so completely different from topping off somebody else. Do we even have to discuss that? Or do you want to go straight ahead and discuss longer prison sentences for those committing suicide?
To death? Or do you have a specific disease in mind? ;)
Both my parents died (just in their sixties) from cancer. My father had brain cancer, and the doctor did not think that he was thinking straight enough to make up his mind to choose euthanasia. He died in a rather horrible way because of a morphine overdose in the end (natural death my arse) after begging for it for a whole weekend. My mother died of euthanasia by a doctor. If I would recommend any way of dying from cancer it would be the last one. It was a relieve to see her go before things got really bad, although she was already unable to get out of bed.
But never forget how much humans are "stuck" to life. You must go really really far before "committing suicide" at that age. Only when my mothers body was really giving up *then* she was ready for the final moment, not before. This explains why so many people are against euthanasia - it literally goes against every gene in our body to release life. This has nothing to do with religion in general, IMHO. It also explains why people (including me) thinks it is brave to end your life before the agony really starts to begin. My mother was completely lucid when she choose to end her life - something I only hope I will have the courage to do.
That said, I am against shooting yourself, because it will traumatize your loved ones as well as those involved. This is also one reason why I am rather against laws that forbid euthanasia; you can see even very conservative people will choose for themselves anyway. The other one is of course that despite it going "against nature", my life is my life, and others don't have the right to make these kind of decisions for me.
I somehow think you don't appreciate the psychological effect of finding a loved one without a head to speak of. Here in NL we've got train drivers that have a certain number of suicides and never recover.
As a westerner you've also more time to reflect on live itself. If you are continuously struggling for your life, ending it is not something that comes into your mind easily. You can't be trying to get a living while reflecting upon it too much; it brings too much indecisiveness with it. Also, if you are very religious, you are required to have a goal and not to do sinful things like killing yourself.
So it's not just the length of life that matters. I think most people in Africa that don't die as a child get to an age, say 15, where suicide becomes common.
My reply was a bit harsh yes, but don't forget the author was directly implying that using 2 to the power of 10 was the *right way*. That's what this whole discussion was about and is much more arrogant than my reply.
It's the human readable version of ls, what do you think the -h is for? If you use -h to get to the number in bytes rather than using the precise number (computers have no trouble parsing a number such as 4712387412) without -h, then yes, I call this person an idiot. If he's at my company he would get shouted at.
Parsing output meant for humans is not something you should do, unless you are prepared for the complexity. Parsing command line input in general is something you should try and avoid. I've seen countless times that is goes horribly wrong, and it keeps an interface designed for humans to evolve (e.g. using GiB because it has become standardized).
A byte is now generally known to be 8 bits, even though this was not always so. But where is the problem? A byte is defined as 8 bits and a kilo as a thousand of . So 1 KB is 8000 bits. I don't see the problem. Much easier than calculating that it should be 8192 bits for most people, don't you agree?
"Unfortunately the Unix bits are still doing it the wrong way."
Fixed that for you. Unfortunately we probably need to keep it the old way because of idiots parsing output meant for human beings using computers.
Using birds of prey to fend off pigeons from buildings has been standard practice for some while. I'm not sure you can decouple these birds so easily from their default environment though; I don't think that using them for too many buildings will work. They are highly individual birds that will fly back when they decide to, so it would be hard to run a tight schedule.
If there are many birds it would be more useful for owners of big buildings just to make a nesting site somewhere on the top of the building (or a neighboring one). It is hard to get right though, since the dimensions and location and structure have to be exactly right.
Important buildings like the burj al arab hotel use falcons to fend off pigeons (or more specifically, pigeon poop). Saw it on discovery.
Whoops, that's not so great Google! Good find!
Yeah, they should just use the full number of PI instead for their calculations. I don't know if it was intended, but that was a good joke :)
Absolutely not. When I was in tech support for a whole freakin' year I haven't had any complaints like that, people just go out and buy new stuff. The only capacity related calls I got where related to slow computers (related to running out of RAM) and CD overburning. That's not going to change quickly.
Where is my post? Slashdot data base corruption or is it just the UI? Since the SSD manufacturers like Intel and OCZ are certainly using 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes (I'm using the comma to humor you US citizens), they say so on their data sheets. OCZ is even substracting FS overhead for their system parts just to make it more clear to the consumer to show how much can be stored on their SSD (which I personally feel stretches it a bit).
I did put in the full text from the Intel and OCZ sites, but I presume you are able to find them yourselves.
"Lots of people who aren't acquainted with the field use electricity too, that doesn't mean they get to define what a kilovolt means."
Yes, but there is not a discussion about terms that have been standardized ages ago. A kilo is just the same kilo in kilovolt as in any other unit - except for *some parts* of computers.
"When it comes to RAM, computers use the base-2 number system. The only way to accurately measure large amounts of capacity accurately and use a whole number to do it is using base 2. "
"Unless you feel comfortable having 1.0737418240 "gigabytes" (1073741824 bytes) of memory instead of 1 gigabyte of memory."
I absolutely am. I cannot do any exact calculations using that number anyway because of overhead and the awkward notation. I don't do calculations base 2 too good inside of my head, even though I have been doing hexadecimals since 1988 or so - and on a daily base for at least 8 years running. The computer does not have any problems with numbers like 1.0737418240.
"Oh, by the way, the average person is going to take the "1.0737418240" figure from the manufacture and truncate it to something like "1.07" and say they have that much memory, which results in the figure actually being incorrect."
Absolutely. And the 37418240 bytes left can just sod off for all I care. Whichever system you are running, you will have rounding errors, unless you are doing something very *very* close to the hardware.
Don't forget, even if everything is going to be base 10 you still have the GiB etc. designators. Use those if you really really need to do base 2.
Very nerdy because the only entities that would communicate this way are other nerds and computers. Unfortunately for you, other people use computers too. And trust me, they are far far far in the majority.
Two problems with this statement:
1 - media that relies on money from third parties (because subscription fees are just a part of the total amount earned) may also be a threat to independent journalism - as the third party almost always is advertising, this means that those media relies on commerce, and most likely it relies on mega corps
2 - money can be used to produce high quality articles, but in no way should the it be implied that having money for news mean that the articles would be of a higher quality, or more independent
No, it's just going to be the exact size. Since we revert/have already reverted back to the normal usage of the words "kilo", "mega" etc. Let's recreate that list:
Kilobyte: 0%
Megabyte: 0%
Gigabyte: 0%
Terabyte: 0%
Petabyte: 0%
Exabyte: 0%
So it will take, if we take a overhead of 15% about 2,000,000 / 850 = 2350 seconds to send 2 GB of data over a 1 Gbit link. If your drive could ever reach that speed of course.
Now calculate that for that 2 TB definition that you are using. Don't forget that networking speeds are already in base 10, so 1 KB / s is different from 1 Kbit/sec in your definition.
Yeah...