No the reason to make that post was to reach the idiot moderators who don't browse below "1". You could have at least quoted all of it, so a few more might have seen it.
My fault.. what you said wasn't trolling, and the way I quoted it, it may have seemed that way.
Regardless, I moderate at 0, spending the majority of my points on people whom have something interesting to say who have relatively new accounts, but that's me.
I hope that was a typo and you meant he SHOULD go to jail!
Pranking 911 is a misdemeanor in most states, and IMHO richly deserves some jail time, especially if its something done in a calculated way like this, not just some one-time prank pulled in a drunken stupor.
You are amazingly astute in your ability to extract a criminal's intentions from the limited information provided in that article, especially since you can conclude with such amazing confidence.
I'm anxious to learn how I can be that quick to understand the intent of someone I've never spoken with and about whom I have very little information, so please do fill me in on the work you did to achieve your remarkable understanding. I'm sure you have excellent proof for wholly disregarding the possibility that this was a test-run for a large-scale 911 DDoS attack. Please share. Oh, and I'm also interesting in learning how you predicted the outcome of all possible futures to ascertain that there's no way this wingnut might have had so much fin the first time that, had he not been caught, he absolutely positively wouldn't have done it again, on a larger scale, or decided that it's too much hassle rely on his manual-install technique and just decided to program a virus that changed the number to 911 and then mailed it out to every email address in the user's address book (where have we seen this before?) to automatically "infect" all of his enemies' friends' friend's . ..
It's like Christmas -- I'm so excited! It's not often you get to learn an entirely new sort of logic that lets one make 100%-confident conclusions without the traditional hassle of actually having adequate available information. Please don't keep me waiting too long for the explanation!
Reply once again without being a dick, and you'll get a response.
One person repeatedly calling 911 could tie up a good portion of the resources for a *small* 911 call center, I would think - not to mention, the police have to come out and investigate. Can you imagine the load of shit a police department would get if, shortly after this happened, someone was getting severely beaten, tried to call 911 but couldn't speak, and the 911 call center decided that it was just another one of those damned prank calls and ignored it?
I agree. This was a horrible thing to do. Could cause additional problems in the more likely senario that someone who legitamately was calling 911, but couldn't get through as it was held up through people calling.
So, yeah, I think he was intending to intimidate people. He wasn't doing it on a mass level, but I don't think there's a petty terrorism charge available.
Exactly, there is no petty terrorism charge. This isn't terrorism.
It is not terrorism. At all. Not even a little bit.
It is a guy screwing with several people who chose a stupid, and by all means illegal way of doing it.
But it wasn't terrorism. We're talking the difference between a fine, or a small ammount of jail time, and a ton of jail time.
There is no way in hell this is terrorism. That is obvious.
Initially, I was of the same opinion. But then I thought what if this had been an al-Qaeda agent who had done this? Would we still be so quick to deny it as being terrorism? Terrorism can occur by Americans too (i.e. the Unabomber).
Al Qaeda is now attacking Web Tv users with a script that can't propegate after it's used, and would be found out rather quickly?
I'm all for that. Much better than running planes into buildings.
If it were blocking the use of the 911 services for a city, yeah, I think I might call that one terrorism.
"Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
Was his intention to intimidate or coerce societies or governments? Yes or No?
How can you possibly claim that? He wrote a script that was designed to call 911 and divert resources from actual emergencies to WebTV users. That's clearly disrupting 911 services.
Right, but I'm pretty sure his intention was to get them in trouble, as opposed to hurt the 911 system.
If you call 911 and hang up, the cops show up. This is obviously a very good way to interactively screw with someone.
Like when you take resources away from Dominios ordering people pizzas they didn't request.
...may not seem like much, but what if this file found its way onto the net or one of the popular peer-to-peer services? If it were to propigate it would create genuine problems for people who have a serious need to get their call to 911 through.
You can have peer-to-peer networks with WebTV? You can propegate a virus when you can't connect to the network?
So...If MyDoom had caused every modem it found to call 911, would you not have considered a danger to public safety? The qualifier here is more that it didn't spread rapidly - which is more an indicator that the author should have been smart enough to make it wait several days before calling 911, so that it would have more time to spread before being found.
So a person is a terrorist because they didn't spread the calls out over a couple of days?
This isn't justification for use of the Patriot Act. It did not have the intent of anything remotely considered terrorism.
Now, I'm not saying he should go to jail, however it's a sad look at the United States when anything that you could mildly construe as something that a terrorist might do, becomes a terrorist act.
Tivo for radio just seems like overkill. Unless I could skip past the commercials, I don't see any point. If I miss anything, I can usually pick up about what was said just by the topic of conversation, or the area in which they take it next.
I don't think I've ever wanted to rewind radio. The need just doesn't seem to be that overwhelming.
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I went to the RSS Home Page and the Firefox 0.8 RSS installer worked like a champ. This, after confirming that the original link was indeed 404'ing.
No guarantee that this will work for anybody else, but it DID just work for me.
Thank you, it worked for me as well.
No the reason to make that post was to reach the idiot moderators who don't browse below "1". You could have at least quoted all of it, so a few more might have seen it.
My fault.. what you said wasn't trolling, and the way I quoted it, it may have seemed that way.
Regardless, I moderate at 0, spending the majority of my points on people whom have something interesting to say who have relatively new accounts, but that's me.
I thought it was Rich Site Summary
Firewire, Firebird, Firefox... just pleeeaaase don't call it FireFeed. Stop playing with Fire!
Next is Firewirx. Ho Ho Ho
Not much point me posting this, because the moderators who should see it, won't.
Because the only reason to post it to be modded up?
I just downloaded the Firefox one, and I can't get Fark's to load, Slashdot's is lame, Espn's isn't formatted very well...
This definately seems like something that would be awesome, if only a few additions were added.
I hope that was a typo and you meant he SHOULD go to jail!
Pranking 911 is a misdemeanor in most states, and IMHO richly deserves some jail time, especially if its something done in a calculated way like this, not just some one-time prank pulled in a drunken stupor.
Definately a typo, thanks for the catch.
Trying to download it, I get a 404, file not found.
Or just read Noam Chomsky.
You are amazingly astute in your ability to extract a criminal's intentions from the limited information provided in that article, especially since you can conclude with such amazing confidence.
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I'm anxious to learn how I can be that quick to understand the intent of someone I've never spoken with and about whom I have very little information, so please do fill me in on the work you did to achieve your remarkable understanding. I'm sure you have excellent proof for wholly disregarding the possibility that this was a test-run for a large-scale 911 DDoS attack. Please share. Oh, and I'm also interesting in learning how you predicted the outcome of all possible futures to ascertain that there's no way this wingnut might have had so much fin the first time that, had he not been caught, he absolutely positively wouldn't have done it again, on a larger scale, or decided that it's too much hassle rely on his manual-install technique and just decided to program a virus that changed the number to 911 and then mailed it out to every email address in the user's address book (where have we seen this before?) to automatically "infect" all of his enemies' friends' friend's . .
It's like Christmas -- I'm so excited! It's not often you get to learn an entirely new sort of logic that lets one make 100%-confident conclusions without the traditional hassle of actually having adequate available information. Please don't keep me waiting too long for the explanation!
Reply once again without being a dick, and you'll get a response.
One person repeatedly calling 911 could tie up a good portion of the resources for a *small* 911 call center, I would think - not to mention, the police have to come out and investigate. Can you imagine the load of shit a police department would get if, shortly after this happened, someone was getting severely beaten, tried to call 911 but couldn't speak, and the 911 call center decided that it was just another one of those damned prank calls and ignored it?
I agree. This was a horrible thing to do. Could cause additional problems in the more likely senario that someone who legitamately was calling 911, but couldn't get through as it was held up through people calling.
So, yeah, I think he was intending to intimidate people. He wasn't doing it on a mass level, but I don't think there's a petty terrorism charge available.
Exactly, there is no petty terrorism charge. This isn't terrorism.
It is not terrorism. At all. Not even a little bit.
It is a guy screwing with several people who chose a stupid, and by all means illegal way of doing it.
But it wasn't terrorism. We're talking the difference between a fine, or a small ammount of jail time, and a ton of jail time.
There is no way in hell this is terrorism. That is obvious.
Initially, I was of the same opinion. But then I thought what if this had been an al-Qaeda agent who had done this? Would we still be so quick to deny it as being terrorism? Terrorism can occur by Americans too (i.e. the Unabomber).
Al Qaeda is now attacking Web Tv users with a script that can't propegate after it's used, and would be found out rather quickly?
I'm all for that. Much better than running planes into buildings.
If it were blocking the use of the 911 services for a city, yeah, I think I might call that one terrorism.
"Terrorism - The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
Was his intention to intimidate or coerce societies or governments? Yes or No?
How can you possibly claim that? He wrote a script that was designed to call 911 and divert resources from actual emergencies to WebTV users. That's clearly disrupting 911 services.
Right, but I'm pretty sure his intention was to get them in trouble, as opposed to hurt the 911 system.
If you call 911 and hang up, the cops show up. This is obviously a very good way to interactively screw with someone.
Like when you take resources away from Dominios ordering people pizzas they didn't request.
You can have peer-to-peer networks with WebTV? You can propegate a virus when you can't connect to the network?
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Don't insult us. We are smart enough to make the calls go to a Spam Lord, instead of 911.
We don't want to hinder our own lifes, or friends lifes. We are not EVIL.
So...If MyDoom had caused every modem it found to call 911, would you not have considered a danger to public safety? The qualifier here is more that it didn't spread rapidly - which is more an indicator that the author should have been smart enough to make it wait several days before calling 911, so that it would have more time to spread before being found.
So a person is a terrorist because they didn't spread the calls out over a couple of days?
Guys, terrorism is where you like blow up a building or gas people in the subway in the name of a political or religious cause.
Terrorism is a lot of things, including running a Denial of Service attack on the emergency help number.
This wasn't a Denial of Service attack. Nor was it a terrorist act, but it is close to be construed as a possible terrorist act.
This isn't justification for use of the Patriot Act. It did not have the intent of anything remotely considered terrorism.
Now, I'm not saying he should go to jail, however it's a sad look at the United States when anything that you could mildly construe as something that a terrorist might do, becomes a terrorist act.
Isn't that a little obvious? I mean, do ANY of those buttons work anymore?
Of course they work, just press it a few more times....
It's like Ctrl-Alt-Delete for the general public!
Are we rebooting the traffic light now? Locking it so that no one uses it until we return?
Are you sure it isn't user error?
There's nothing wrong with lying around, ignoring the phone, staring out the windows and contemplating your navel.
If I had mod points, you would be as insightful as they come.
Tivo for radio just seems like overkill. Unless I could skip past the commercials, I don't see any point. If I miss anything, I can usually pick up about what was said just by the topic of conversation, or the area in which they take it next.
I don't think I've ever wanted to rewind radio. The need just doesn't seem to be that overwhelming.