I will create a "Porn for Pistols" program to take handguns off the streets. Dealing with the violence and injuries associated with handguns is a huge drain on our state's resources.
Thank you for the link, because I just couldn't have gone the entire day without reading something THAT ignorant.
I haven't even visited fark yet, and I'm ready to go home.
bla bla bla AOL TW pay off FCC chairpersons bla bla bla IM bla bla bla Linux and Mac and Windows sucks and is teh ghey bla bla bla bla This story is useless to us. Know your audience. Slashdot doesn't care.
Yes, I speak for every body, except for the fat ones.
Know your audience? This is perfect Slashdot discussion.
But, if they implement it into their network, it can be cloned more or less as eaisly as the AIM service itself was cloned. Imagine, a conversation with your girlfriend's iChat A/V from your linux box with Gaim.
Girlfriend? What are these girlfriends you speak of?
I am imagining A/V chat on Gaim for my new D&D Half-Orc Paladin-Wizard!
Impressive as the gains have been, it isn't quite clear yet that the wind can blow a fat cock up the ass of the developed world's fossil-fuel dependence.
What sort of tools would you use to determine that?..
I'm waiting for the day when a Presidential candidate (or the President himself!) provides his unvarnished, unfiltered (by his campaign manager), and probably even *unspellchecked* thoughts in a blog. That'll be a *real* populist candidate.
That would be AWESOME. and would also NEVER happen.
Think about a Slashdot system for a Presidential blog, with Karma and Trolls.
3) New authentication system. The internal authentication system has
been almost completely rewritten. Most of the changes are internal,
but the new auth system is also very configurable.
Does this mean I won't have to authenticate for every directory I access?
(Or are we misconfigured from the get go, and I should know and fixed such an issue:)
The other thing I did was prepend our college name in squre brackets to the subject, like many e-mail lists do. Makes it simple for the recipients to filter the messages we send out, and whether they get filtered to the trash or not is up to them.
And that is respectable.
Thank you for your posts, I just wanted to say it's nice having a good discussion with countrary points of view with someone on my friends list. Sometimes I get the feeling that people on there are a bit hesitant to have a discussion for fear of being removed, or being disliked.
Spammers are evil by nature. That doesn't mean they can't be skilled practitioners of evil. By your logic, a "skilled" burglar would encounter a locked door, and leave figuring if you locked your door, you must not want him to come in and burglarize you.
If a skilled burglar encountered my locked door, he should leave figuring I don't want him to come in. He is commiting a crime.
This discussion is based on a person using legal and decent methods to do something. Not commit a crime. If he is trying to get me to think he is a great person, and vote for him, then beating my spam filter is not the way to do it.
It is true in the world in which I live. If I recieve unwanted calls over a period of time, and call selling me anything in connected to this, and thus unwanted.
I may want your product, but not your method. I will never use that method to purchase your product, and you are thus hindering your sales to me.
That's not really the point is it? I mean, does anyone think bigtime spammers spam for malicious reasons?
Yes. Yes I do. I beileve their tactics, and their content (I.E. Nigerian Spam) is malicious.
Don't we all know they're in it for the gain only (money, in most cases)?
Quite often illegally? Yes.
And, since they will use annoying shotgun-approach methods (such as mass mailings with misleading headers and 0.001% conversion rates) to make that gain, we don't like them. Rightfully so.
I don't have as much of a problem with them. Granted I don't like them as much either, but my main focus is emails which misrepresent themselves, with fake addresses, and scams. The majority of spam I get are those.
Of course Dean wasn't being malicious. I have yet to read even one insinuation to that effect.
Then you recieved a different opinion of some of the posts here than I.
He did, however, use spam tactics (either knowlingly or by negligent failure to check) to gain what he wanted -- campaign support (also money, in a sense)
You are combining the two, knowlingly or by being negligent. Those are 2 different things, but I would also contend that it isn't negligence for him to not know every way in which he is being advertised.
I would hope he has more to deal with than the inner workings of every aspect of his campaign. That doesn't leave him blameless, however it is a big difference concerning your impressions of him.
If he knowingly did it, I would have a more negative impression of him than if he didn't.
He's plenty rich, so it's not the cash I bet he's after, it's the exposure, but IMHO that's no better than any other spammer (x10, viagra, big penises, university diplomas, and now Dean for president.)
Which changes the subject entirely.
You're hyper-defending and trying to change the issue to something easily defendable:
As are you, but I'm not hyper-defending anything. A one line phrase is not hyper-defending, merely questioning what the parent thought of his statement.
Please stop, it makes you look even more desperate.
Desperate for what? I honestly don't care if he wins or doesn't. I have no goals, or gains from this discussion.
Using an open relay, or even worse an open proxy to send spam is not "speech" it's destructive hacking. If they want to send email, they should send it from their own machines. And, they should live with being black-listed or whatever.
Microsoft has taught me that using an open relay is actually a function!
It's a service that the outgoing mail server and the host provide me. Not destructive hacking.
Have you looked at deanforamerica.com [deanforamerica.com]? I'd say that site is a good indicator of Internet-awareness. The man has a *blog* [blogforamerica.com], for crying out loud!
Because blogs mean NET SAAVY!
My 12 year old sister will be thrilled today when she learns that she is considered net saavy on Slashdot.
Of course I will have to explain to her what Slashdot is.... and what a url is... and favourite it for her... and...
The dean campaign has been doing a very good job of using the net to build their grass roots, not that Howard Dean knows how to configure a Cisco router, or whatever.
Oh, Then I don't want Howard Dean to be my canidate. I was misinformed.
I will only vote for people who can configure a Cisco router. That way, I am assurded that their political stances, and agendas coincide with mine.
Getting around spam filters is not just trying to get your e-mail client in an inbox that really matches one of the filters you have personally made.
Here's a real world example. I wrote an application so that staff in our college could go to a web page and send mail to the students of our college, either all students or by class year. Not wanting every person to see every other person's e-mail, I initially set this program up to bcc everyone and send a copy to the Deans as the to: recipients so they would know what the students got and I put a generic address as the from: so the students could hit reply and have it go to a central account but they could also see the deans' addresses to e-mail them.
Unfortunately, this got flagged by places like Hotmail and Yahoo as spam because I had just bcc'ed a large number of people.
So I had to send the messages out one at a time as individual messages, not as one message with a huge number of recipients.
I believe it is this kind of spam filter, cases where there is a legitimate reason to send mail to thousands of recipients without letting the recipients see each other's addresses, that the original poster was referring to.
And that is a legitimate use. I can understand that, and I hadn't considered spam filters that people put in place without knowing what is filtered. I.E. Yahoo and Hotmail's spam filtering.
But your point is also valid when considering what I would want or not. I would want something from a university that I was attending, and would not want anything from someone shilling their campaign through my email.
If I want to take the measures to learn about your campaign, then I will do so. I do not want it force fed to me (aside from the media.)
If it's okay for a campaign to mass email, then it is okay for a company trying to sell their products through mass email.
Which means, I get a lot of mass email. I already get more junkmail through the normal postal system than I do actual email. I honestly just don't want it. Do I not have a choice in this matter?
If you want to market this way then at least use a list of people you know who will vote for you, or have requested it. There is no reasons to spam people about this and I wouldn't be surprised that a large number of people who are outside the state or even in another country got it.
So unless there is a resonable chance you could want the email, don't send it.
Perhaps being net saavy means that you know enough to farm it out and not have to: 1) worry about doing it yourself, and 2) being able to blame it on someone else when it all goes badly (or is revealed as spam).
I thought being net saavy meant I had excellent karma on Slashdot, used pine to get my email, and lynx to view the web.
Now I have to start over?... What if I mention linux a few times?
Slashdot Mirror
I will create a "Porn for Pistols" program to take handguns off the streets. Dealing with the violence and injuries associated with handguns is a huge drain on our state's resources.
Thank you for the link, because I just couldn't have gone the entire day without reading something THAT ignorant.
I haven't even visited fark yet, and I'm ready to go home.
The real problem is the attitude and the practices of the people in charge of the network.
And not just the Network Security Administrator, but the IT Director, the CEO, etc...
The bottom line cannot be an option regarding security of systems akin to this.
If i changed my nick to RichBodyBuilder, would that automatically make me a Rich Body Builder? Wow, the power of the internet.
Some days are easier than others.
I had fun doing traceroutes as the power came back up and seeing how far I could get as more and more routers along the way were returning to service.
Seriously, you've got to get out more.
How do you know its a woman?
Did you even read the post? He said it was sxygrl102475.
Sxy stands for Sexy in this context. Grl stands for Girl.
Sexy Girl
Some people need to read a little more before replying.
bla bla bla AOL TW pay off FCC chairpersons bla bla bla IM bla bla bla Linux and Mac and Windows sucks and is teh ghey bla bla bla bla
This story is useless to us. Know your audience. Slashdot doesn't care.
Yes, I speak for every body, except for the fat ones.
Know your audience? This is perfect Slashdot discussion.
"I like aim."
"I like ICQ."
"I like trillian."
"Aol Sucks"
"Aol Sucks"
"Aol Sucks"
At least it's not another SCO article.
But, if they implement it into their network, it can be cloned more or less as eaisly as the AIM service itself was cloned. Imagine, a conversation with your girlfriend's iChat A/V from your linux box with Gaim.
Girlfriend? What are these girlfriends you speak of?
I am imagining A/V chat on Gaim for my new D&D Half-Orc Paladin-Wizard!
Yay Pine! Nothing to setup. Always available. From any machine.
Now if only I can convince myself to ever use VI instead of Pico. I have been warped.
Impressive as the gains have been, it isn't quite clear yet that the wind can blow a fat cock up the ass of the developed world's fossil-fuel dependence.
What sort of tools would you use to determine that?..
I wonder, does that qualify for the DMCA? ;)
:)
I'd have to say you deserve +5 Insightful for that!
I'm waiting for the day when a Presidential candidate (or the President himself!) provides his unvarnished, unfiltered (by his campaign manager), and probably even *unspellchecked* thoughts in a blog. That'll be a *real* populist candidate.
That would be AWESOME. and would also NEVER happen.
Think about a Slashdot system for a Presidential blog, with Karma and Trolls.
Oh the goodness that would bring!
3) New authentication system. The internal authentication system has
:)
been almost completely rewritten. Most of the changes are internal,
but the new auth system is also very configurable.
Does this mean I won't have to authenticate for every directory I access?
(Or are we misconfigured from the get go, and I should know and fixed such an issue
The other thing I did was prepend our college name in squre brackets to the subject, like many e-mail lists do. Makes it simple for the recipients to filter the messages we send out, and whether they get filtered to the trash or not is up to them.
And that is respectable.
Thank you for your posts, I just wanted to say it's nice having a good discussion with countrary points of view with someone on my friends list. Sometimes I get the feeling that people on there are a bit hesitant to have a discussion for fear of being removed, or being disliked.
Thanks!
Spammers are evil by nature. That doesn't mean they can't be skilled practitioners of evil. By your logic, a "skilled" burglar would encounter a locked door, and leave figuring if you locked your door, you must not want him to come in and burglarize you.
If a skilled burglar encountered my locked door, he should leave figuring I don't want him to come in. He is commiting a crime.
This discussion is based on a person using legal and decent methods to do something. Not commit a crime. If he is trying to get me to think he is a great person, and vote for him, then beating my spam filter is not the way to do it.
That's my point.
But yes... A burglar can be skilled.
This is simply not true in the real world.
Could you please elaborate?
It is true in the world in which I live. If I recieve unwanted calls over a period of time, and call selling me anything in connected to this, and thus unwanted.
I may want your product, but not your method. I will never use that method to purchase your product, and you are thus hindering your sales to me.
So in essnace, I find it true.
That's not really the point is it? I mean, does anyone think bigtime spammers spam for malicious reasons?
:)
Yes. Yes I do. I beileve their tactics, and their content (I.E. Nigerian Spam) is malicious.
Don't we all know they're in it for the gain only (money, in most cases)?
Quite often illegally? Yes.
And, since they will use annoying shotgun-approach methods (such as mass mailings with misleading headers and 0.001% conversion rates) to make that gain, we don't like them. Rightfully so.
I don't have as much of a problem with them. Granted I don't like them as much either, but my main focus is emails which misrepresent themselves, with fake addresses, and scams. The majority of spam I get are those.
Of course Dean wasn't being malicious. I have yet to read even one insinuation to that effect.
Then you recieved a different opinion of some of the posts here than I.
He did, however, use spam tactics (either knowlingly or by negligent failure to check) to gain what he wanted -- campaign support (also money, in a sense)
You are combining the two, knowlingly or by being negligent. Those are 2 different things, but I would also contend that it isn't negligence for him to not know every way in which he is being advertised.
I would hope he has more to deal with than the inner workings of every aspect of his campaign. That doesn't leave him blameless, however it is a big difference concerning your impressions of him.
If he knowingly did it, I would have a more negative impression of him than if he didn't.
He's plenty rich, so it's not the cash I bet he's after, it's the exposure, but IMHO that's no better than any other spammer (x10, viagra, big penises, university diplomas, and now Dean for president.)
Which changes the subject entirely.
You're hyper-defending and trying to change the issue to something easily defendable:
As are you, but I'm not hyper-defending anything. A one line phrase is not hyper-defending, merely questioning what the parent thought of his statement.
Please stop, it makes you look even more desperate.
Desperate for what? I honestly don't care if he wins or doesn't. I have no goals, or gains from this discussion.
Insulting people isn't nice.
RMS also describes non-free software as a 'predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division
So anything not free is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division?
My MP3 addiction finally has a flag bearer.
Using an open relay, or even worse an open proxy to send spam is not "speech" it's destructive hacking. If they want to send email, they should send it from their own machines. And, they should live with being black-listed or whatever.
Microsoft has taught me that using an open relay is actually a function!
It's a service that the outgoing mail server and the host provide me. Not destructive hacking.
Have you looked at deanforamerica.com [deanforamerica.com]? I'd say that site is a good indicator of Internet-awareness. The man has a *blog* [blogforamerica.com], for crying out loud!
Because blogs mean NET SAAVY!
My 12 year old sister will be thrilled today when she learns that she is considered net saavy on Slashdot.
Of course I will have to explain to her what Slashdot is.... and what a url is... and favourite it for her... and...
The dean campaign has been doing a very good job of using the net to build their grass roots, not that Howard Dean knows how to configure a Cisco router, or whatever.
Oh, Then I don't want Howard Dean to be my canidate. I was misinformed.
I will only vote for people who can configure a Cisco router. That way, I am assurded that their political stances, and agendas coincide with mine.
Getting around spam filters is not just trying to get your e-mail client in an inbox that really matches one of the filters you have personally made.
Here's a real world example. I wrote an application so that staff in our college could go to a web page and send mail to the students of our college, either all students or by class year. Not wanting every person to see every other person's e-mail, I initially set this program up to bcc everyone and send a copy to the Deans as the to: recipients so they would know what the students got and I put a generic address as the from: so the students could hit reply and have it go to a central account but they could also see the deans' addresses to e-mail them.
Unfortunately, this got flagged by places like Hotmail and Yahoo as spam because I had just bcc'ed a large number of people.
So I had to send the messages out one at a time as individual messages, not as one message with a huge number of recipients.
I believe it is this kind of spam filter, cases where there is a legitimate reason to send mail to thousands of recipients without letting the recipients see each other's addresses, that the original poster was referring to.
And that is a legitimate use. I can understand that, and I hadn't considered spam filters that people put in place without knowing what is filtered. I.E. Yahoo and Hotmail's spam filtering.
But your point is also valid when considering what I would want or not. I would want something from a university that I was attending, and would not want anything from someone shilling their campaign through my email.
If I want to take the measures to learn about your campaign, then I will do so. I do not want it force fed to me (aside from the media.)
If it's okay for a campaign to mass email, then it is okay for a company trying to sell their products through mass email.
Which means, I get a lot of mass email. I already get more junkmail through the normal postal system than I do actual email. I honestly just don't want it. Do I not have a choice in this matter?
Probably for the same reasons spammers everywhere continue to do it: some people will click on the pretty colors - they get results.
Do you really think he was being malicious as opposed to someone in his team being moronic?
If you want to market this way then at least use a list of people you know who will vote for you, or have requested it. There is no reasons to spam people about this and I wouldn't be surprised that a large number of people who are outside the state or even in another country got it.
So unless there is a resonable chance you could want the email, don't send it.
Who decides what resonable chance is?
Get a spam filter.
Getting round spam filters turns out to be the main technical skill the outsourcers provide.
I do not call this a skill. If I make a filter (not a spam filter, an EMAIL FILTER), then I do not want what I am filtering.
That means that you should not attempt to get around my filter to send me what you beileve I would like to recieve.
If I hang up on you, I do not want to buy your product, nor will I ever. Learn from this technique.
Perhaps being net saavy means that you know enough to farm it out and not have to:
1) worry about doing it yourself, and
2) being able to blame it on someone else when it all goes badly (or is revealed as spam).
I thought being net saavy meant I had excellent karma on Slashdot, used pine to get my email, and lynx to view the web.
Now I have to start over?... What if I mention linux a few times?