Ahem... The "waning seconds of the old millennium" are next December - the new millennium begins in 2001. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Now that this thread has gotten thouroughly off topic....... ...the book they got with linux... Really? Cheapbytes didn't give me a book with Red Hat or Slackware. And the howtos aren't that hard to understand, if you already know a bit. Did you know about the howtos when you first switched from Windows? Or were you born with a 500lb. UNIX manual in your hands? The howtos are not even a halfway decent substitute for a human being. What's wrong with giving a human explanation to a newbie, instead of waving man, info, howtos, etc. in their faces and screaming, "RTFM or FOAD!!!"? Not everybody coming into Linux is a computer geek - those days are over. Just because something was easy for me doesn't mean it will be easy for everyone else. There are people who, thanks to M$, can't funtion w/out a GUI. As Linux draws more users and moves into the desktop environment, more and more of these users will turn up. It will take more than a howto or some man pages to teach them to use Linux. But it can be done. It's people like the yahoo I was replying to who are perpetuating the myth of the "rabid Unix user", which I'm beginning to believe isn't really a myth. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Hmmm... it seems to have just linked to/.(?!?!?!). Here's the real URL: http://x27.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=501274972&search= thread&CONTEXT=932845453.372965529&hitnu m=11 Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Actually, I've heard some actual technical info that makes it sound as if they may have done just that. Of course, it is mostly speculation, but what about the Amiga isn't;)? If they can do even half of this, I'll be impressed. Usenet post on Amiga/Transmeta. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Good god, calm down!! Yes, you can't always hand everything to newbies and expect them to learn anything. And I agree, if you're not willing to learn, then stay with an OS (WinBlows or MacOS) that doesn't require it. But not everyone is as <SARCASM>gifted</SARCASM> as you are. If all a new user gets is "RTFM!!" over and over again, they're not going to learn much, are they? Man pages are references, not tutorials. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
I moved away from Windows to get away from the bloatware, among other things. So much for Linux being small, fast, and efficient. While newbies may not be able to handle advanced distros such as Slack and Debian, do they really need a repackaged version of WinBlows 95? Because if this trend keeps up, that's what they'll be getting. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
This is so funny. The try to turn Java, HTML, and the likes into Windows-only (or rather Microsoft-only) assets, and here they are whining because someone did what they've been doing for years. There was no great outcry when they mangled HTML, there was no great outcry when they "improved" Java, there was no great outcry when they changed Windows so that Samba wouldn't work, but do that to them and OH MY GOD, WE NEED SOME STANDARDS RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT US FROM THE WHIMS OF MONOPOLISTIC AOL! While it would be nice if one of these (ICQ, AIM, etc.) opened up, I certainly DON'T want it under M$'s control. You can bet that they'll manipulate it for their own financial gain, and try to break compatibility. This, as is most things about M$, is just FUD and hypocrisy. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
The worst thing about this nasty little piece of software is that nearly every computer sold is infected with it - and it actually causes the computer to become more expensive!!!!!!! Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
I don't see how this is off topic. The point is that M$, which is quite probably thrilled about this arcticle, is using OSS software on one of their most popular services. Apache, mod_ssl, and SSLeay are all open source, and I'm sure Micro$oft will:
Never get NT working under the load that Hotmail endures
Never deny that Hotmail is secure
The fact that they use Solaris shows that they still need a company to sue (why else would they use SMS products;), but they obviously trust OSS. Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Wouldn't that be a more fitting symbol for Caml than for Perl? Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
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Ahem... The "waning seconds of the old millennium" are next December - the new millennium begins in 2001.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Now that this thread has gotten thouroughly off topic.......
...the book they got with linux...
Really? Cheapbytes didn't give me a book with Red Hat or Slackware. And the howtos aren't that hard to understand, if you already know a bit. Did you know about the howtos when you first switched from Windows? Or were you born with a 500lb. UNIX manual in your hands? The howtos are not even a halfway decent substitute for a human being. What's wrong with giving a human explanation to a newbie, instead of waving man, info, howtos, etc. in their faces and screaming, "RTFM or FOAD!!!"? Not everybody coming into Linux is a computer geek - those days are over. Just because something was easy for me doesn't mean it will be easy for everyone else. There are people who, thanks to M$, can't funtion w/out a GUI. As Linux draws more users and moves into the desktop environment, more and more of these users will turn up. It will take more than a howto or some man pages to teach them to use Linux. But it can be done. It's people like the yahoo I was replying to who are perpetuating the myth of the "rabid Unix user", which I'm beginning to believe isn't really a myth.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Hmmm... it seems to have just linked to /.(?!?!?!). Here's the real URL:= thread&CONTEXT=932845453.372965529&hitnu m=11
http://x27.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=501274972&search
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Actually, I've heard some actual technical info that makes it sound as if they may have done just that. Of course, it is mostly speculation, but what about the Amiga isn't ;)? If they can do even half of this, I'll be impressed.
Usenet post on Amiga/Transmeta.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Good god, calm down!! Yes, you can't always hand everything to newbies and expect them to learn anything. And I agree, if you're not willing to learn, then stay with an OS (WinBlows or MacOS) that doesn't require it. But not everyone is as <SARCASM>gifted</SARCASM> as you are. If all a new user gets is "RTFM!!" over and over again, they're not going to learn much, are they? Man pages are references, not tutorials.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
I moved away from Windows to get away from the bloatware, among other things. So much for Linux being small, fast, and efficient. While newbies may not be able to handle advanced distros such as Slack and Debian, do they really need a repackaged version of WinBlows 95? Because if this trend keeps up, that's what they'll be getting.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
This is so funny. The try to turn Java, HTML, and the likes into Windows-only (or rather Microsoft-only) assets, and here they are whining because someone did what they've been doing for years. There was no great outcry when they mangled HTML, there was no great outcry when they "improved" Java, there was no great outcry when they changed Windows so that Samba wouldn't work, but do that to them and OH MY GOD, WE NEED SOME STANDARDS RIGHT NOW TO PROTECT US FROM THE WHIMS OF MONOPOLISTIC AOL! While it would be nice if one of these (ICQ, AIM, etc.) opened up, I certainly DON'T want it under M$'s control. You can bet that they'll manipulate it for their own financial gain, and try to break compatibility. This, as is most things about M$, is just FUD and hypocrisy.
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
The worst thing about this nasty little piece of software is that nearly every computer sold is infected with it - and it actually causes the computer to become more expensive!!!!!!!
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
- Never get NT working under the load that Hotmail endures
- Never deny that Hotmail is secure
The fact that they use Solaris shows that they still need a company to sue (why else would they use SMS productsOur wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.
Wouldn't that be a more fitting symbol for Caml than for Perl?
Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road.