It's a great source if you want to know what our enemy is thinking. As opposed to the moderate Muslims who seem to be our silent friends (understandibly so- look at what the extremeists do when the Pope trots out a 1200 year old quote from a Byzantine Emperor).
And yet, my Kalapuya cousins were decimated in 1830-1833 by a plague of MALARIA- in the cold and wet Pacific Northwest where that disease had never been seen before or since.
It always happens, someone trots out the same old story that this is some sort of religious war. Islam does not say "kill the infidel," though you will get people like Bin Laden who twist the religion to fit their political goals. You're not fighting a theological war, unless you consider it one against al Qaeda (a group with twisted interpretations of Islam) only and not the rest of the Muslim world.
Bingo. Completely correct. This is a theological war between moderate Islam and extremeist Islam. Israel and the United States are passive bystanders who get bloody noses from time to time from stray shots in comparison.
If you say this is a war against Islam, then Muslim countries like Kuwait and Bangladesh and Qatar won't want to help you (and shouldn't).
I don't care if they do or don't- those countries have money but no real military power.
Why should Muslims sign up into the US Army (and thousands have) when America is flushing Qurans and doing Abu Ghraib?
Maybe because MODERATE Muslims know the difference between an insult to a sect and an insult to the faith?
Believe it or not, Muslims are by and large against terrorism much more than you are, and have loudly condemned terrorism, but can't get coverage on CNN of their anti-terrorism rallies (Indonesia had a massive one with nearly a million people a few years back).
I believe it. This is largely a war of Islamic reformation- just the only side that's gotten any press is the genocidal side.
Look at this survey of Muslims, they determined that the "radical" ones were less religious than the moderate ones, indicating that the radicalism isn't an indication of piety, and it kills the idea that reformers are irreligious and the militants are the truly pious.
Won't matter if the militants kill off the reformers.
Hmmm.... maybe control of the oil is THEIR real purpose?
Some of the sects, yes, but they have a tendency to be the more moderate sects (because they know they need the west to sell the oil TO). I don't really understand why this blind spot exists. Have we had separation of Church and State so long that we can't recognize orthodoxy when it comes at us with a rocket propelled grenade?
Reply #2: For the alternate interpretation of Islam that DOES command *every* faithful moslem to kill infidels and end the injustice of democracy instead of "One Nation, One God, One World, One Prophet", see http://www.jihadwatch.com/
Firstly, an economic model is about economics. If you make profit the only scale on which you measure your self-worth then that's your own malfunction. Social skills, freedom, happiness, sex, wildflowers, raising children, working at something you love to do, and just about everything else in life are tangentially related to profit at most.
And yet NONE of those are considered success in the United States today- only a big bank account is considered success. Self-worth is soemthing only losers need.
The U.S.S.R. wasn't capitalist, and its government was pretty damned self-serving.
I disagree. The con game the USSR was calling communism had more in common with capitalism than with Marxism- it was one big corporation called the State.
P.R.China is officially not capitalist, and their government is pretty damned self-serving.
Actually, they've been officially capitalist since the 1980s. Where have you been?
Canada and many European countries are capitalist with socialist leanings, and yet don't get the flack the U.S. does about being self-serving.
Maybe that's because they actually provide for their people instead of having 1/6th the population in poverty with no health care?
The U.S. tried to stay out of both WWI and WWII. We tried to be neutral. We tried not to put our noses in other people's business. What happened? Zimmerman happened. The Lusitania happened. Pearl Harbor happened. We rebuilt Germany and Japan. We set them on the road to peace.
We did so with nuclear weapons- as we should be doing in the War on Terror. But we can't in this war because unlike Germany and Japan, the Middle East controls our feul supply.
So, we tried to help people who wanted help. South Korea. South Vietnam. The Contras. The Mujahadeen (sp?). Lebanon. Bosnia, per the U.N. Somalia, per the U.N. Kuwait, per the U.N. again. Saudi Arabia, by request of that country's government. What happened? The the Beirut USMC barracks got bombed. The WTC got bombed. The U.S.S. Cole got attacked. The WTC got attacked again and was destroyed. The Pentagon was attacked. Four planefuls of people were murdered as part of those attacks in addition to those at the targets. You know what Beirut, the Cole, the WTC, the Pentagon, our embassies, the trains in Spain, the tubes in London, and the the planes hijacked for murder have in common? They were all destroyed because countries like the U.S., Spain, and the U.K. believe in helping the people in other countries when they are asked. The very so-called freedom fighters that we helped escape Soviet occupation in Afghanistan turned right around and attacked us for being on Saudi soil when the Saudi government asked us to be there.
No- that all happened because we failed to recognize that Islam is in a civil war of reformation- and that some sects in that war are basically the same as the Immortals in Highlander- there can be only one. Those attacks were just collateral damage in their real war to exterminate first all rival Islamic sects then all non-believers. No different than what the Anglicans did in England in the 1600s or the Lutherans did in Germany in the 1500s.
Israeli civilians get blown up all the time because their military accidentally kills a few innocent people when they take out rocket-firing militia men. This despite the fact that Israel is trying to give the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians. Israel is forcing its own citizens to move because it wants to give land it took legally in a war in which it was invaded to people who support the destruction of Israel. One of the biggest popular excuses for hating the U.S. right now is that the U.S. supports the very right of Israel to exist. If being so interested in preserving another country which itself is willing to give up part of its land to likely enemies is self-serving, then your vocabulary must come from some language other than English.
Islam does not command the faithful to kill all infidels.
THAT depends on your interpretation of the Quran. And since Islam doesn't have a Pope to define how to interpret scripture, who is to say YOUR interpretation is any more correct than any of the terrorists?
Not to mention the rotted meat and other positive things the government provided them. I believe it is one of the saddest chapters of American history. Although when I studied history I have to say American History shows we have been anything but the caring, wonderful, people we like to think we have been. Our motives have been at least as self serving as any other countries.
It's impossible for any country that adopts capitalism as a basic economic model to be anything OTHER than self-serving. Profit is the only value that counts in capitalism, all else follows.
But we are trying to be better.
No, I don't think we are. If anything, we're slowly getting WORSE.
I call it the "Certainty of God," and it's deadly, dangerous thing. People who are sure they have God on their side are capable of any atrocity.
Yep- absolute certainty is a dangerous thing. Older, more mature religions have found what you've found:
Doubt is that which keeps Man in check. Doubt is what makes faith work.
Or as the Roman Catholic Church puts it, Moral Certainty.
But since ALL religious sects go through a period of absolute certainty, or if they're lucky, two of them. If they're really lucky they survive the second and become mature enough to adopt the doubt.
Ahh, yes, early biological warfare. We showed up with illnesses that none of them had ever had a chance to develop a resistance to, and then killed any that survived.
Only on the east coast. Out here in the west, they fought back until they were herded onto the Reservations- then given blankets with those illnesses to reduce their populations to a manageable level. And today, some 20 million of them have survived (from a peak population of 120 million nationwide).
The United States of America carried out one of the most successful genocides in the history of mankind. How many American Indians (Native Americans) do you know?
About 400- but most of them are family, distant relatives.
But that's nothing compared to the 1 Billion Catholics that the Sheik Abubukar Hassan Malin would like to kill for the Pope insulting the Prophet, for instance.
I'll ignore your inflamatory comment, and just note that many of the black people being affected by the genocide in Sudan are muslims.
Yes, as I said before it's basically a theological civil war of reformation, which means MOST of the casualties to begin with are going to be Muslim-on-Muslim violence, just as the Reformation wars in Europe in the 1450-1700 range of time were Christian on Christian violence (it was, after all, the Christian Reformation). Attacks outside of that are, for now, just collateral damage.
I suppose the people committing the attrocities may still excuse their behavior in some fashion (i.e. somehow they are not *true* muslims). But that would still make the excuse a racist one.
No, that would make it a CULTURALIST excuse- get your terms right damnit.
So, it might be more true to say that the atrocities in Sudan are at least partly motivated by racism. Although, I admit that racism is a from of religion. Just not the sort of religious beliefs you are thinking about.
Partially (arabic vs black) but in reality, we're talking about a sect of Islam that considers other sects non-human anyway.
You're half right. Guess which half? The one whose book commands to kill, or the one whose book commands to love?
Both books command killing infidels- just read Exodus and Deuteronomy and ask what happened to the People of Ai if you're a Christian or a Jew. If you're Islamic, ask what REALLY happened to the pagans of Mecca when the Prophet conquored it.
Heck, I can't think of a single book of scripture that doesn't command us to kill those who aren't part of our tribe- even the Bagavad Gita (a Veda from Hari Krishna Hinduism) commands this. It's a basic part of the whole orthodoxy mindset.
Only the Qur'an says that "religion" is a good thing.
Every scripture in the world considers religion to be a good thing. And it is. Religion is civilization itself- the ability to build a homogenous community that believes in a single set of morals is very basic to the creation of a city. But all religions go through genocidal periods. Some more than others. What makes this form of Islam different is the concept of individual jihad- it's damn hard to control an army where every private thinks he's a prophet.
You forget one problem - the instant we become the barbaric exterminators with nukes, we will not face a sect of 100,000 people anymore, but every muslim nation in the world.
If the 12th Iman is allowed to arise and fullfill the prophecy, we will anyway.
Since some of those are also armed with nukes, I'd say that puts us at a disadvantage.
Not much of one, since few of them have the rocket technology to push a nuke halfway around the world.
Sorry, but your view will result in the US being little more than radiation land with some farmers surviving in the rockies.
If the 12th Iman arises, that will be our fate anyway. There's no real way to avoid that fate.
What you neglect is that the enemy has no real chance of succeeding,
Apparently you don't know what is happening in Sudan and Chad right now- or what has happened in the past with these people. The enemy has a *very* real chance of succeeding, all it will take is for us to do nothing like the Basques did after the fall of Rome. The one thing that will assure their success is people like you underestimating the danger merely because so far, they've only really gone after other Moslem sects (Infidels in apostacy are far worse than infidels in ignorance) with only a few isolated incidents outside of that first genocidal target. When the 12th Iman arises and recaptures Mecca, that's when the real attacks will begin. (Whichever one of the 30 or so twisted sects that person ends up coming from- one other possible solution to nuclear weaponry is to give one of the more moderate American sects the weaponry to unseat the House of Saud and capture Mecca- but that leads us right back to the mistake of supporting our own dictators and terrorists).
so we don't have to nuke anyone.
And if you believe that, I've got a bridge in Vermont to sell you- it's underwater half the time....
Yeah those evangelicals are a scary group... wait, who were you talking about?
In my book they're both close to the same, but they're on different places in my lifecycle of sects theory. The Islamics are 1400 years in, in their wars of Reformation, with some new sects being genocidal. The Evangelicals are splitoff sects of the Catholic/Mainline Protestant war of Reformation, and therefore are in their first, 400 year in brush with governmental power, which can ALSO be quite genocidal.
The fact that both groups are fundamentalist dunderhead book worshipers who think the written word can replace a concept of God is pure coincidence.
Except that is not the reason they want to kill us. Sure, they throw around theological drivel for recruitment. But their main stated reason is our troops are in their part of the world and they don't like it.
But what you don't seem to understand is that such Islamic sects are decentralized. The novel theological invention of the mujahdeen was the concept of individual jihad- that it doesn't take a country to declare a holy war. Because of that, the "stated reason" of their leadership is just so much talk (much like any other politician); the real motivation is the theological drivel used for recruitment- because what counts in the end is what motivates the suicide bomber, not the preacher.
A good sign of this is the transferance from complaining about our troops on the Holy Peninsula (those military bases were abandoned when we invaded Iraq, and in fact Saddam Hussien was the only purpose for them being there to begin with) to complaining about Israel. They've changed their "stated reason" almost as often as Bush has changed his reason for invading Iraq- because the theology is their real purpose, just as control of the oil is Bush's real purpose.
Surely you're not so naive as to think the USA isn't responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (and probably millions in fact) over the last 40 years of fucked-up foreign policy while funding dictators, revolutionaries, drug lords, and private armies?
Yeah, but that's not nearly genocidal enough. Genocidal would be instead of funding dictators and revolutionaries and drug lords and private armies, simply nuking any country that gets in our way. That's the level of evil we need to aspire to if we're ever going to impress Bedouin Arabs to do our bidding.
"'We were not created to sit down for long hours, but somehow modern life requires the vast majority of the global population to work in a seated position,' Dr. Bashir said. 'This made our search for the optimal sitting position all the more important.'"
And anybody who has watched DS9 knows that Dr. Bashir isn't HUMAN- he's a genetic augment.
There's some information that it's just TOO LATE TO CENSOR! I learned in 1986 how to run a nuclear power plant in an educational game for the Atari 400 that sat in the back of my 8th grade classroom- anybody with a similar education would know that the best place to hit a nuclear plant with an airliner would be in either the cooling tower or the slam rods (both of which would yeild an uncontrolable reaction- the first results in the Three Mile Island scenario and the second in the Chernobyl Meltdown scenario).
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It's a great source if you want to know what our enemy is thinking. As opposed to the moderate Muslims who seem to be our silent friends (understandibly so- look at what the extremeists do when the Pope trots out a 1200 year old quote from a Byzantine Emperor).
And yet, my Kalapuya cousins were decimated in 1830-1833 by a plague of MALARIA- in the cold and wet Pacific Northwest where that disease had never been seen before or since.
It always happens, someone trots out the same old story that this is some sort of religious war. Islam does not say "kill the infidel," though you will get people like Bin Laden who twist the religion to fit their political goals. You're not fighting a theological war, unless you consider it one against al Qaeda (a group with twisted interpretations of Islam) only and not the rest of the Muslim world.
Bingo. Completely correct. This is a theological war between moderate Islam and extremeist Islam. Israel and the United States are passive bystanders who get bloody noses from time to time from stray shots in comparison.
If you say this is a war against Islam, then Muslim countries like Kuwait and Bangladesh and Qatar won't want to help you (and shouldn't).
I don't care if they do or don't- those countries have money but no real military power.
Why should Muslims sign up into the US Army (and thousands have) when America is flushing Qurans and doing Abu Ghraib?
Maybe because MODERATE Muslims know the difference between an insult to a sect and an insult to the faith?
Believe it or not, Muslims are by and large against terrorism much more than you are, and have loudly condemned terrorism, but can't get coverage on CNN of their anti-terrorism rallies (Indonesia had a massive one with nearly a million people a few years back).
I believe it. This is largely a war of Islamic reformation- just the only side that's gotten any press is the genocidal side.
Look at this survey of Muslims, they determined that the "radical" ones were less religious than the moderate ones, indicating that the radicalism isn't an indication of piety, and it kills the idea that reformers are irreligious and the militants are the truly pious.
Won't matter if the militants kill off the reformers.
Nothing will change because the Democratic campaigns were paid for by the exact same corporations as the Republican campaigns.
Depends on your interpretation- both of those books certainly claim that there's a difference between the wise man and the stupid man....
I'm inspired by Islam. Their works have shown the way- and Machiavelli was right, tis better to be feared than loved.
You'd be hard-pressed to find legitimate economists preaching that line.
At this point in time, I'm hard pressed to find any legitimate economists at all. They all seem to be paid to be shills for the corporations.
Hmmm.... maybe control of the oil is THEIR real purpose?
Some of the sects, yes, but they have a tendency to be the more moderate sects (because they know they need the west to sell the oil TO). I don't really understand why this blind spot exists. Have we had separation of Church and State so long that we can't recognize orthodoxy when it comes at us with a rocket propelled grenade?
Reply #2: For the alternate interpretation of Islam that DOES command *every* faithful moslem to kill infidels and end the injustice of democracy instead of "One Nation, One God, One World, One Prophet", see http://www.jihadwatch.com/
Firstly, an economic model is about economics. If you make profit the only scale on which you measure your self-worth then that's your own malfunction. Social skills, freedom, happiness, sex, wildflowers, raising children, working at something you love to do, and just about everything else in life are tangentially related to profit at most.
And yet NONE of those are considered success in the United States today- only a big bank account is considered success. Self-worth is soemthing only losers need.
The U.S.S.R. wasn't capitalist, and its government was pretty damned self-serving.
I disagree. The con game the USSR was calling communism had more in common with capitalism than with Marxism- it was one big corporation called the State.
P.R.China is officially not capitalist, and their government is pretty damned self-serving.
Actually, they've been officially capitalist since the 1980s. Where have you been?
Canada and many European countries are capitalist with socialist leanings, and yet don't get the flack the U.S. does about being self-serving.
Maybe that's because they actually provide for their people instead of having 1/6th the population in poverty with no health care?
The U.S. tried to stay out of both WWI and WWII. We tried to be neutral. We tried not to put our noses in other people's business. What happened? Zimmerman happened. The Lusitania happened. Pearl Harbor happened. We rebuilt Germany and Japan. We set them on the road to peace.
We did so with nuclear weapons- as we should be doing in the War on Terror. But we can't in this war because unlike Germany and Japan, the Middle East controls our feul supply.
So, we tried to help people who wanted help. South Korea. South Vietnam. The Contras. The Mujahadeen (sp?). Lebanon. Bosnia, per the U.N. Somalia, per the U.N. Kuwait, per the U.N. again. Saudi Arabia, by request of that country's government. What happened? The the Beirut USMC barracks got bombed. The WTC got bombed. The U.S.S. Cole got attacked. The WTC got attacked again and was destroyed. The Pentagon was attacked. Four planefuls of people were murdered as part of those attacks in addition to those at the targets. You know what Beirut, the Cole, the WTC, the Pentagon, our embassies, the trains in Spain, the tubes in London, and the the planes hijacked for murder have in common? They were all destroyed because countries like the U.S., Spain, and the U.K. believe in helping the people in other countries when they are asked. The very so-called freedom fighters that we helped escape Soviet occupation in Afghanistan turned right around and attacked us for being on Saudi soil when the Saudi government asked us to be there.
No- that all happened because we failed to recognize that Islam is in a civil war of reformation- and that some sects in that war are basically the same as the Immortals in Highlander- there can be only one. Those attacks were just collateral damage in their real war to exterminate first all rival Islamic sects then all non-believers. No different than what the Anglicans did in England in the 1600s or the Lutherans did in Germany in the 1500s.
Israeli civilians get blown up all the time because their military accidentally kills a few innocent people when they take out rocket-firing militia men. This despite the fact that Israel is trying to give the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians. Israel is forcing its own citizens to move because it wants to give land it took legally in a war in which it was invaded to people who support the destruction of Israel. One of the biggest popular excuses for hating the U.S. right now is that the U.S. supports the very right of Israel to exist. If being so interested in preserving another country which itself is willing to give up part of its land to likely enemies is self-serving, then your vocabulary must come from some language other than English.
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Islam does not command the faithful to kill all infidels.
THAT depends on your interpretation of the Quran. And since Islam doesn't have a Pope to define how to interpret scripture, who is to say YOUR interpretation is any more correct than any of the terrorists?
Not to mention the rotted meat and other positive things the government provided them. I believe it is one of the saddest chapters of American history. Although when I studied history I have to say American History shows we have been anything but the caring, wonderful, people we like to think we have been. Our motives have been at least as self serving as any other countries.
It's impossible for any country that adopts capitalism as a basic economic model to be anything OTHER than self-serving. Profit is the only value that counts in capitalism, all else follows.
But we are trying to be better.
No, I don't think we are. If anything, we're slowly getting WORSE.
I call it the "Certainty of God," and it's deadly, dangerous thing. People who are sure they have God on their side are capable of any atrocity.
Yep- absolute certainty is a dangerous thing. Older, more mature religions have found what you've found:
Doubt is that which keeps Man in check. Doubt is what makes faith work.
Or as the Roman Catholic Church puts it, Moral Certainty.
But since ALL religious sects go through a period of absolute certainty, or if they're lucky, two of them. If they're really lucky they survive the second and become mature enough to adopt the doubt.
Ahh, yes, early biological warfare. We showed up with illnesses that none of them had ever had a chance to develop a resistance to, and then killed any that survived.
Only on the east coast. Out here in the west, they fought back until they were herded onto the Reservations- then given blankets with those illnesses to reduce their populations to a manageable level. And today, some 20 million of them have survived (from a peak population of 120 million nationwide).
The United States of America carried out one of the most successful genocides in the history of mankind. How many American Indians (Native Americans) do you know?
About 400- but most of them are family, distant relatives.
But that's nothing compared to the 1 Billion Catholics that the Sheik Abubukar Hassan Malin would like to kill for the Pope insulting the Prophet, for instance.
I'll ignore your inflamatory comment, and just note that many of the black people being affected by the genocide in Sudan are muslims.
Yes, as I said before it's basically a theological civil war of reformation, which means MOST of the casualties to begin with are going to be Muslim-on-Muslim violence, just as the Reformation wars in Europe in the 1450-1700 range of time were Christian on Christian violence (it was, after all, the Christian Reformation). Attacks outside of that are, for now, just collateral damage.
I suppose the people committing the attrocities may still excuse their behavior in some fashion (i.e. somehow they are not *true* muslims). But that would still make the excuse a racist one.
No, that would make it a CULTURALIST excuse- get your terms right damnit.
So, it might be more true to say that the atrocities in Sudan are at least partly motivated by racism. Although, I admit that racism is a from of religion. Just not the sort of religious beliefs you are thinking about.
Partially (arabic vs black) but in reality, we're talking about a sect of Islam that considers other sects non-human anyway.
You're half right. Guess which half? The one whose book commands to kill, or the one whose book commands to love?
Both books command killing infidels- just read Exodus and Deuteronomy and ask what happened to the People of Ai if you're a Christian or a Jew. If you're Islamic, ask what REALLY happened to the pagans of Mecca when the Prophet conquored it.
Heck, I can't think of a single book of scripture that doesn't command us to kill those who aren't part of our tribe- even the Bagavad Gita (a Veda from Hari Krishna Hinduism) commands this. It's a basic part of the whole orthodoxy mindset.
Only the Qur'an says that "religion" is a good thing.
Every scripture in the world considers religion to be a good thing. And it is. Religion is civilization itself- the ability to build a homogenous community that believes in a single set of morals is very basic to the creation of a city. But all religions go through genocidal periods. Some more than others. What makes this form of Islam different is the concept of individual jihad- it's damn hard to control an army where every private thinks he's a prophet.
You forget one problem - the instant we become the barbaric exterminators with nukes, we will not face a sect of 100,000 people anymore, but every muslim nation in the world.
If the 12th Iman is allowed to arise and fullfill the prophecy, we will anyway.
Since some of those are also armed with nukes, I'd say that puts us at a disadvantage.
Not much of one, since few of them have the rocket technology to push a nuke halfway around the world.
Sorry, but your view will result in the US being little more than radiation land with some farmers surviving in the rockies.
If the 12th Iman arises, that will be our fate anyway. There's no real way to avoid that fate.
What you neglect is that the enemy has no real chance of succeeding,
Apparently you don't know what is happening in Sudan and Chad right now- or what has happened in the past with these people. The enemy has a *very* real chance of succeeding, all it will take is for us to do nothing like the Basques did after the fall of Rome. The one thing that will assure their success is people like you underestimating the danger merely because so far, they've only really gone after other Moslem sects (Infidels in apostacy are far worse than infidels in ignorance) with only a few isolated incidents outside of that first genocidal target. When the 12th Iman arises and recaptures Mecca, that's when the real attacks will begin. (Whichever one of the 30 or so twisted sects that person ends up coming from- one other possible solution to nuclear weaponry is to give one of the more moderate American sects the weaponry to unseat the House of Saud and capture Mecca- but that leads us right back to the mistake of supporting our own dictators and terrorists).
so we don't have to nuke anyone.
And if you believe that, I've got a bridge in Vermont to sell you- it's underwater half the time....
Yeah those evangelicals are a scary group... wait, who were you talking about?
In my book they're both close to the same, but they're on different places in my lifecycle of sects theory. The Islamics are 1400 years in, in their wars of Reformation, with some new sects being genocidal. The Evangelicals are splitoff sects of the Catholic/Mainline Protestant war of Reformation, and therefore are in their first, 400 year in brush with governmental power, which can ALSO be quite genocidal.
The fact that both groups are fundamentalist dunderhead book worshipers who think the written word can replace a concept of God is pure coincidence.
Except that is not the reason they want to kill us. Sure, they throw around theological drivel for recruitment. But their main stated reason is our troops are in their part of the world and they don't like it.
But what you don't seem to understand is that such Islamic sects are decentralized. The novel theological invention of the mujahdeen was the concept of individual jihad- that it doesn't take a country to declare a holy war. Because of that, the "stated reason" of their leadership is just so much talk (much like any other politician); the real motivation is the theological drivel used for recruitment- because what counts in the end is what motivates the suicide bomber, not the preacher.
A good sign of this is the transferance from complaining about our troops on the Holy Peninsula (those military bases were abandoned when we invaded Iraq, and in fact Saddam Hussien was the only purpose for them being there to begin with) to complaining about Israel. They've changed their "stated reason" almost as often as Bush has changed his reason for invading Iraq- because the theology is their real purpose, just as control of the oil is Bush's real purpose.
Surely you're not so naive as to think the USA isn't responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (and probably millions in fact) over the last 40 years of fucked-up foreign policy while funding dictators, revolutionaries, drug lords, and private armies?
Yeah, but that's not nearly genocidal enough. Genocidal would be instead of funding dictators and revolutionaries and drug lords and private armies, simply nuking any country that gets in our way. That's the level of evil we need to aspire to if we're ever going to impress Bedouin Arabs to do our bidding.
"'We were not created to sit down for long hours, but somehow modern life requires the vast majority of the global population to work in a seated position,' Dr. Bashir said. 'This made our search for the optimal sitting position all the more important.'"
And anybody who has watched DS9 knows that Dr. Bashir isn't HUMAN- he's a genetic augment.
Terrorism is not a reason to give up rights and liberties. Abuse of rights and liberties is a reason to give up rights and liberties.
There's some information that it's just TOO LATE TO CENSOR! I learned in 1986 how to run a nuclear power plant in an educational game for the Atari 400 that sat in the back of my 8th grade classroom- anybody with a similar education would know that the best place to hit a nuclear plant with an airliner would be in either the cooling tower or the slam rods (both of which would yeild an uncontrolable reaction- the first results in the Three Mile Island scenario and the second in the Chernobyl Meltdown scenario).