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Best Sitting Posture Is Not Straight Up
An anonymous reader writes, "Researchers at Woodend Hospital in Aberdeen, Scotland used a new form of magnetic resonance imaging to collect images from 22 healthy volunteers, who assumed three different sitting positions: slouching posture in which the body is hunched forward, an upright 90-degree sitting position, and a relaxed position where the subject reclined backward 135 degrees. They concluded that the reclined position is the best, and the forward slouch the worst." From the article: "'We were not created to sit down for long hours, but somehow modern life requires the vast majority of the global population to work in a seated position,' Dr. Bashir said. 'This made our search for the optimal sitting position all the more important.'"
Or did you start to slouch the moment you read this?
Does the vast majority of the global population really work in a sitting position, or is it just the vast majority that are participating in the "global economy"? I.e., if you factor in the billions who are living in poverty, is that statement still true? I'm skeptical.
Ben Hocking
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*kicks back*
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I have to say that this chair was the best investment I ever made... only about $100 (Canadian) at Walmart, but still.
Now I need to get my boss to buy me a recliner. My office chair sucks, I do find myself reclining it it while I can but it almost seems to force me to lean over.
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This doesn't come as much of a surprise to me. In order to get an idea of some fairly natural postures for humans, one need only visit the primate house at the local zoo. Of course, if you don't believe in evolution, then maybe you should observe positions at your local church (pews are good for you!). Just don't complain to me about back pain later in life.
But not necessarily for the task.
In other words, can you please do a study confirming (to my employer, of course) that this 135 degree reclined position does not adversely affect my the bloodflow to the brain, attention span, ability to perform complex mental tasks, etc?
From my anecdotal experience with video games, I can definitely say that my performance is much better when I am leaning forward than when I am reclining -- though this may also have something to do with distance from the monitor, etc.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
To everyone who has ever criticized my working posture: IN YOUR FACE BITCHES!!!
I now return you to your regularly scheduled slouching.
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My doctor is an armchair anthropologist and is more than happy to ramble on about how the human musculatory, skeletal, and even pulmonary systems are designed for standing and walking, not for sitting. I'm guessing our fat butts are evolutionary from millennia of presiding over lesser beings from a big throne (the people on my TV are so small...).
Maybe if they made floors all soft and squishy like our sofas, we'd be happier standing? Or better, make computer interfaces use more body parts - standing forever is a pain, but if were doing little tapdances and knee bends the whole day, I bet you could go for hours (okay...maybe not but...).
Now I can tell my wife that the time I'm spending getting my laptop to function again has been proven scientifically to be a good idea! (I tend to use my laptop while lounging on the couch or in an overstuffed chair; until it's fixed, I'm stuck using a desktop system while sitting in a chair with a broken back support).
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Wait, I guess that would entail telling her I read it while wasting tim^h^h^h^h^h^h^h reading
Nevermind.
science is a religion
The ergonomic and safety group here at the company I work for has been saying this for years, mainly for back safety. Keep your legs out and lean back a bit. It eases pressure on your spine.
Into my vast plain of grey cubes I will release the occasional lion, and instead of payment, I will hide treats in various places and expect my employees to find them on their own.
Anyone who has ever watched Star Trek:TNG knows that the two people at the helm, the ones doing the work, sit in a reclined position while those giving the orders sit in an upright position. Behind them are those that have to stand all day because they didn't have enough room to put in extra seats on the new, improved and larger, Enterprise compared to the original ship.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
I, for one, welcome our genetically engineered ergonomic overlords.
I don't actually listen to anything back experts say. If it was up to them nobody would ever bend their backs in any circumstances. Have you ever actually tried to shovel out your driveway by doing all the bending and lifting with only your legs? It's next to impossible. It's always 'lift with your legs, lift with your legs'. It seems to me back experts are just extremely lazy. They don't want to treat any back injuries so they tell people not to use their backs, passing the buck off to the poor knee and leg experts. I can only imagine how many cases those folks get of people throwing out their knees and breaking their hips because they tried to do some activity without bending their back.
It maks me SICK
No seriously, that's what I was told, kinda.
My work had some ergonomics person come in and monitor us for a few minutes and ask us questions about our chairs and desks. Apparently someone at my work must have developed some sort of carpal tunnel or something because in the 6 years I've been here this was the first time I was ever asked about how I liked my desk or chair. Anyway I don't actually sit in my chair, I tend to curl up into it, and essentially I sit on one leg at a time and lean to the left or right depending on which leg is under me. I also am a big fan of occasionally placing both feet up on the APC under the desk and leaning from side to side.
In addition to this I don't stay in any one position very long, but rather am constantly shifting or moving from time to time. The lady interviewing me told me that this was actually good and that only people who confine themselves to one given position for a very long time (read entire work day) are the ones who generally have trouble or develop problems with their joints.
So slither and fidget in your chair, it's good for you.
Ave Molech Setting
Stokke and other kneeling chairs (see http://www.backinaction.co.uk/kneeling) got it right then and really knew what they were doing. I have tried a chair like that myself for a while when I did some data entry while at the university. It did feel a bit weird first but you felt that 'tensed-tired-back' after sitting on them.
The negative side? They cost to much I think.
That's my favorite sexual position as well. What? I have sex...really!
Dr. Bashir did this study? Life must be more boring on Deep Space 9 after the Dominion War than I thought...
It works best if you put half your palm down your pants, just under the belt, like this guy...
There exists no way of exchanging information without making judgments. --Bene Gesserit Axiom
So basically what this study is saying is that by leaning back, putting my feet up on my computer, and moving my keyboard to my lap, I'm not only the most laid-back free-thinking rebel at the office, I'm also the most health-conscious? My boss will be glad to hear it!
There was a DS9 episode where Odo was a solid and had back problems from sitting too stiffly. Maybe the Doctors Bashir should consult with each other more often.
In his office he had two inches chopped off of the front two legs of his "guest" chairs, which forced guests in his office to be leaning forward. This put them in an uncomfortable position and gave him a subliminal "upper hand" over his guests.
Adm. Rickover knew this 50 years ago. This study is nothing but a confirmation of common sense.
"I have as much authority as the pope, I just
don't have as many people who believe it" - George Carlin
The summary is a little misleading. The article actually doesn't say anything about reclining, it is talking about a lap to abdomen angle greater than 90 degrees, with the optimal angle being about 135 degrees. This isn't a new finding, though perhaps this is the first research backing it up. People have been making kneeling chairs for a long time now. I had one when I was in high school.
Since I have never found a kneeling chair that doesn't suck I tend to sit on the edge of my chair with my knees down, roughly approximating the "optimal" 135 degree angle. Rough on the chair, but over the long haul it makes my back happier.
Main bullet from TFA:, 00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2475021
* "back pain is part of human nature"
This is crap. Most "human nature" is a result of our activities and culture (long term), not the cause. The real nature of people is very simple: have the good feelings and avoid the bad ones. That is it. Most everything else about how we act is learned.
We need to rethink this idea that humans have evolved to be ABLE to sit in a cubicle for 8 hours a day, 200 days a year and function. They didn't. Humans need to be active, challenged and mobile. The reason sitting people have back pain is because they are sitting so much. Hmmmm, let's arrange the deck chairs and tell people to sit differently???
I do have some arthritis in my lower back, probably aggravated by a cycling crash a few years ago. Maybe that accounts for the difference, but I'm still curious.
Sitting upright -> better
Sitting in 135 degrees -> healthy
Sitting in 180 degrees -> wow, that feels great!
So basically they've found out that the more you incline backward the less you put preassure on your body. Very impressive. Too bad we can't lay down and work at the same time.
I always lean back while working at the computer. My posterior is close to the front edge of the chair and the bottoms of my shoulder blades are on top of the back of the chair. My shoulders, neck, and head are actually behind the chair, and my legs are out front. This violates every rule that I learned and repeated to my typing classes. My family has a history of back problems, and yet I work 8 hours a day like this and I am perfectly comfortable. I'm glad that someone is looking in to this. Now we just have to convince observers that taking this position doesn't mean you are lazy.
Long live the Speaker Bracelet
Rolo D. Monkey
How does this information relate to career politician's longevity
by bending over backwards to special interest groups, than
standing tall before the constituents that voted them into office?
I herniated my S5-L1 disc last month while getting out of bed. For me, sitting up straight or leaning forward are the absolute worst positions. Now, I get quick feedback down my sciatic nerve. If I need to sit down, leaning back at 135 degrees is definitely the way to go. Standing up or laying down are the most comfortable positions.
.. this 135 posture is so relaxing. I cn typ relly well.z.z.zzzzzzz
Oh my, how major? I can't take this news sitting down!
Have you read my journal today?
Now all I need to do is forward this to my boss (and make sure my eyes are open).
(Kia) first you got to put your neck into, come on... o wait...
I find that when leaning back my neck gets sore only after a few hours, perhaps if your monitor was hung from the ceiling 135 would be good, but for a long period of time I think you are going to have just as many neck problems as back problems.
The "slouch" position revealed a reduction in spinal disk height, signifying a high rate of wear and tear on the lowest two spinal levels. Across all measurements, the researchers concluded that the 135-degree position fared the best.
Um, ok....
"This may be all that is necessary to prevent back pain, rather than trying to cure pain that has occurred over the long term due to bad postures," he added. "Employers could also reduce problems by providing their staff with more appropriate seating, thereby saving on the cost of lost work hours."
IOW, they proved what they thought and used it to make conclusions not proven. What utter rubbish.
They also did not take into account how people sat before this study. Sitting up stright is uncomfortable at first, but in general becomes very comfortable, and keeps the person more alert. Playing piano in any position other that straight up will cuase hand or back pain, and people with chronic back pain need to sit up stright to feel comfortable.
What utter rubbish.
Have you read my journal today?
We were not created to sit down for long hours
:-P
Of course not, we evolved that way.
With early ancestors walking on all four, and later standing up (which is already bad for the back) and not having Aeron chairs to sit on for the past millions of years, it seems natural that we're certainly not designed for sitting down.
Seems like another argument against creation... Or for a lousy creator.
This is the theory behind the kneeling chair, which keeps your body open at about 135-degrees. Many people feel uncomfortable when they first try them out. But it only takes a day or two to adjust. Ive been using mine for years and swear that it has improved my posture and keeps me from getting tired.
What about hanging upside down? If only they had found hanging upside down to be the healthiest non-standing posture, we could look forward to a wide array of new chair/desk/computer arrangements. And don't even get me started on how happy many big corps would be if they could hang employees from the ceiling, doubling the number of people they can cubicalize in a given space.
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
If this news comes too late for you and you are already feeling the effects of your lower back being gradually compacted to the point where even standing up for much longer than 10mins begins to ache, then act now to reverse the effects!
- Avoid sitting. Stand up and walk around every half hour. More often if possible.
- When you are sitting, try to lean back like TFA says.
- Every night, before you go to bed, decompress your lower spine: lie on your back and put a few books (about 4-5 inches high) beneath your coccyx. NOT the small of you back - I'm talking about the top of your butt-crack: there is a flat area of bone there, put the pile of books there and lie out flat with your arms over your head for a few minutes. If it hurts - then it's doing some good. If you feel a "crack" then even better: that's some tension coming out.
- Turn over and do the "cobra" position. Plant your hands on the floor and jam your hips down to the ground so that your spine bends backwards in a massive curve. Keep this position (and keep your head and neck up straight) for a few minutes at a time.
- If you're not fit, consider also doing some stomach curls (Google 'em) and lower back strengthening routines. The better your musculature is around there, the better those muscles can support your spine and prevent injury by sudden movement. Movement which, if your lower spine is compressed by lots of sitting, will be more damaging.
There is it. Your 5-mins per day spinal insurance policy.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor - I'm (former) back pain sufferer that got rid of the pain by doing the above.
"And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
So if 90 degree is worst, 90 degree is medium, 135 degree is better, 180 degree should be best.
I think my work place should let me work lying down completely, for my health....
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Actually the outside ring (science 1 & 2) had chairs, that came out of the console. They were used in several episodes. The directors only used them when a shot worked better sitting down. If they are standing up, they "fly" prettier when a weapon hits.
Never trust a man wearing a coat and tie!
The article actually doesn't say anything about reclining
... a "relaxed" position where the patient reclines backward 135 degrees while the feet remain on the floor.
No, the article specifically describes the posture as reclining. FTFA:
The patients assumed
You could achieve the 135 degree angle with a kneel-chair, but that's not what these researchers studied, so their conclusion can't necessarily be extended to kneel-chairs.
Too bad the article doesn't mention what the researchers plan to investigate next. An angle of 135 degrees between torso and thighs puts you halfway to lying down flat on your back. I'd be interested in learning whether similar benefits can be gained by reclining to just 100 degrees, or 105, or maybe 110.
Old-school management types might more readily accept a slightly reclined posture than one that takes your torso 45 degrees away from the vertical.
52*2=104 Weekends
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365-104=261 Work Days
261-200=61 Vacation Days
I want your job, my back would definitely feel better
Ben Hocking
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From TFA:
An "upright 90-degree sitting posture" usually isn't. Try sitting in a 90 position, without curving your lower back. Chances are you can't do it. If you can, you're either still young and flexible, or you've been doing yoga for a while.
No wonder the study concluded that sitting up straight isn't good for your back. The participants probably couldn't even do it properly.
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Yup, you're absolutely correct. As soon as I read what you wrote, the episode where the Ferengi had taken over the Enterprise and Riker had to explain how to manipulate the engines came to mind. That's the one where Picard and others had been regressed to an early childhood.
The other episode that comes to mind is the one with the Binars. Data is sitting at one of the seats trying to decipher the code and near the end of the show it is Picard and Riker who sit at the chairs and together, figure out how the code works.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Bigot!
How do we define human? Can a Augment and a Human mate? Does that make them the same? I heard something about cats and dogs can mate! Are they the same species?? NO!
Never trust a man wearing a coat and tie!
Whoa, that doesn't sound healthy at all. I could see myself reclining backwards anywhere from 0 to 90 degrees when sitting down, but 135 degrees? That's just crazy.
I have three herniated disks in my lower back, (the result of a creative snowboarding moment,) and can confirm that the only way to hold the 90% position without harming yourself is with actual lumbar support built-in to the chair, otherwise, being reclined is your only safe bet.
I know this not because it seems or feels better but because it is the only way that I can sit all day and retain the ability to walk normally without structural pain.
A lot of the "ergonomic" chairs I've tried offer endless control over how the chair can be inclined, or how high it and the arm rests can be, but they fail in this basic regard.
On knees under my desk
My secretary says both work great for her.
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Yes, I too always did better sitting close to the screen while playing Duck Hunt...
Bending backwards sure feels OK sometimes. But how the fuck do I reach my keyboard? ;-)
The most comfortable position is also the most healthy, who'da thunk it?
A Trill and an Augment can mate...
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'We were not created to sit down for long hours...'
We were created to sit on our knees. Repent, and be free of pain!
From the article: "'We were not created to sit down for long hours, but somehow modern life requires the vast majority of the global population to work in a seated position,' Dr. Bashir said. Later, the good doctor was found sending a priority one message to Starfleet to inform Admiral Janeway.
A friend of mine once worked at a firm that really valued their employees and thus they had some experts show up and speak with everyone about posture and such. This resulted in, other than education/training being dispensed in this matter, a pilot program where one third of the staff ended up using this "perfect chair", where you are actually kneeling on it rather than sitting. I forget the brand and model, but I got to try it on occasion as I would work there from time to time as a consultant, and it's quite true that I've never used anything as comfortable.
The one I got to use anytime I was there was left alone, unused, in the server room. Knowing that these items were somewhat expensive, I asked how come it was being left there instead of assigned to anyone's desk, only to be explained that after a several weeks of usage, and despite everyone being completely satisfied with the chairs as far as comfort (ergonomics) were concerned, the chairs fell out of favour gradually, with none of them being used within two months of the start of the pilot project. The project was eventually considered a flop though the cause of its failure was never officially explained.
It turns out, something I was told in confidence, that one of the staff's managers liked to walk around and give out instructions, priorities and reprimands at everyone's desks rather than in private in the manager's office.
This may have already been an unpleasant practise, but had then become a humiliating one, due to the new chairs, since the staff was now kneeling before their boss while taking the abuse!
I've been a recliner for as long as I can remember. Doesn't matter where or why I'm sitting; I always sit with a recline. Even on chairs with a fixed back, I slide my pelvis forward so that I can recline. I've tried to sit up straight, and I have great standing posture, but my body always works back to the recline.
I've been coding for almost a decade, and I'm the only person I know without back problems. I guess my body knows better than I do.
"From the article: 'We were not created to sit down for long hours...' "
Um... so, what are we supposed to do all day long? Stand? Walk? Lay? I'm pretty sure the idea of sitting came about from the first cavemen who noticed that sitting on rocks* made it possible to sea each other, and their surroundings, better than when they were laying down, and more comfortably and easily than standing. I think this is a flawed premise--nothing is "ideal" to do all day long. I get sore from laying for a long time, and standing and walking are too much work to do for hours at a time.
* or sitting down cross-legged, or squatting
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135 degrees is a great trunk-leg angle, but only if your weight is supported down to your bottom. Slouching down to 135 deg in a "regular" 90 deg chair will buy you some expensive back surgery in your mid 30's.
Trust me, I know.
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Thanks for giving me one more reason to continue leaning forward into the notebook screen rather than buying new glasses or a bigger screen.
But leaning back means you're stretching your arms to reach the keyboard and mouse, which puts a lot of strain on your tendons and can result in RSI/carpel tunnel.
"Help wanted. Many positions available" images...
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...and didn't even know it! Cool!
I don't have a long commute to work, but tend to recline a bit when driving. I'm not as bad as some that are basically lying down and looking through the steering wheel, but I'm not at the recommended 135 degree angle.
Majority of my driving is highway based and faster the posted highway speeds where you want to see the deer before they try to cross traffic.
If you raise your feet on your computer and still have your neck-ass-feet line in 135 degrees isn't really the healthy position. Nor 90 degrees position.
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The only reason why modern chairs and such are designed for a 90 degree sitting position is that it is probably one of the most efficient positions to work in. Reclining promotes laziness and sleepiness. Hard to work when you're feeling lazy and sleepy...
However, even the Greeks (I think... correct me if it was the Romans or whoever else) found that eating while reclining was the most comfortable way to eat. Most of the upper class Greeks would lie down on their reclined chairs while they eat dinner at parties and other social events. I guess the Greeks had it right from the first place
People who work sitting down get paid more
than people who work standing up. (Odgen Nash)
Alternatively, when I lean back when I play CS, I tend to be on the receiving end of the AWP.
~CYD
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1. The intervertebral disc is NOT the only thing that can cause back pain. Slouching may unload the intervertebral disc but it will put strain on other structures.
2. Intervertebral discs NEED load too - it's actually healthy for the disc. So unloading it all day will make it weaker and could actually lead to a disc prolapse.
3. One study recently showed that it was actually beneficial for your discs if you were overweight! However if you do have a degenerated disc - it becomes more a part of the problem. Still the rest of your discs will need to be loaded.
4. Another study that tried to identify risk factors for long term disability in workers found that x-rays and MRI's gave little value - one factor that actually did prove to be a risk was if the worker was miserable at work.
Which brings me to my point; Keep moving. No one posture is good or bad for your back - they all become bad if you sustain them for too long. The worst thing a back patient can do is to stop using their backs. I always encourage my patients (I'm a physical therapist with a masters in manual therapy) to keep moving!
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And I think it's one of the best ever made: http://www.stokke.com/functionality.asp?na=NO&la=E N&div=C&nr=01&p=Variable
I recommend it to every office worker.
The Bodybilt chair has been doing the >90 degree thing for a while - you recline back, then tilt your seat pan up - sort of like being launched forward, so you're body is open to 135 degrees, or wherever you're comfortable, but you're not reclined - you're sort of pushed forward, as if your reclined chair were actually a cannon and it were trying to eject you or something.
It takes some getting used to for some people, and you are by no means obligated to use a >90 degree angle, but the Bodybilt (I'm using one now) makes it possible to have that 135 degree angle without you having to recline. I've tended to use them in a traditional, 90 degree fashion, but recently I've been experimenting with tilting the seatpan forward, and reclining the back back. It's quite comfortable, actually -- you're not really "sitting down", you're almost like "kind of" standing a little bit. But you are sitting down. The chairs are designed to do this.
Problem is getting your employer to shell out $800+ for one...
Unfortunately, this study will never apply to horseback riding. It's 90 degress straight up or you'll bust your arse, or get stepped on.
I'd love to be able to lay on my back and code. I could build my own assembly for this, but the Mouse would be the tricky part. If it was just split keyboards, it would be cake.
Don't think that a small group of dedicated individuals can't change the world. It's the only thing that ever has.
"We were not created to sit down for long hours, but somehow modern life requires the vast majority of the global population to work in a seated position"
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We were not created at all. We evolved, and will continue to evolve until sitting all day is comfortable!
Example:
http://www.wagnerur.hu/computer_internet/evolutio
I find that changing my position is the most friendly to my back. Variety is the key, not a specific position. Shift every 15 minutes or so.
... now design me a desk to hold my shit at that complimentary angle WHILE AND AT THE SAME TIME not defying gravity!
All funny business aside. Unless you get some sort of mechanical pod to work in (I'll pass on that by the way), sitting at that angle and *trying* to work with objects out of orientation is going to have an adverse effect on the body too. Some fo the funny posts above make some sense as you would need a massive KVM and a trackball to keep from hurting yuorself trying to work without a rotating cage around you!
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I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
TFA is broken at the moment, but I'm willing to bet the reclined position is only "best" compared to the others in the study. I'm also willing to bet the best thing for your back is a variety of seated positions to help flex your spine and muscles, and not one stationary position for hours at a time.
Okay so we aren't designed to sit all day, but we are designed to stand up, aren't we? So how is sitting straight any different on your back than standing up? Whether the load stops at my butt or my feet shouldn't make any difference to my back.
In other words, can you please do a study confirming (to my employer, of course) that this 135 degree reclined position does not adversely affect my the bloodflow to the brain, attention span, ability to perform complex mental tasks, etc?
F-16 fighter seats are in a permanent reclining position. I think the Air Force is happy with the performance in the listed categories.
It's likely that 50 years ago (during the cold war) there weren't many Soviet admirals walzting around the Nautilus. So we can assume he was doing this to fellow officers only.
Junior officers would be more accurate.
That said, what an ass.
Not really. Virtually all first generation "nuclear Navy" officers were personally selected by Rickover. His interviews were grueling, but he recognized how high the stakes were. Ignore all the normal Naval hazards where an officer has to make on-the-spot decisions with incomplete information. Now let increase the hazards by an order of magnitude or two since we will be dealing with a submarine force. Now lets up the cost of inadequate maintenance or training, human error, mechanical error, etc since a "bad day at the office" may result in a radiation leak rather than an oil slick. Creating physical and psychological stress during an interview or test is an important tool. It is also pretty standard training. It is not all that different from testing a crewman's ability to find and fix a leaky pipe by flooding the room to chest level with cold water, turning out the light, and have high pressure water spraying from various directions.
That I'm well ahead of the power curve on this. I spend most of my workday laid back just because I can :).
It could be that the only purpose of your life is to serve as a warning to others.
I don't maintain stable positions.135 degree looks confortable,but you have to move forward your neck.Sitting in one pose btw,even its super relaxed more then hour =muscle pain.Walkign around helps.
you seat waiter!
which is totally what she said
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So I tipped back in my chair and put my feet on the desk. Now all I have to do is convince the ergo department to tell my boss it is okay.
I read that twice... and just don't get it. But it sounds very useful, I've had chronic back problems since May.
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Thanks, it did!
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Nice bike. I road a century over the summer on a diamond frame and had severe neck pain for the next week and a half. Never again! Now I have to decide between a regular 'bent and a fully faired machine capable of getting over 50 Mph. That would be cool! ...but maybe impractical for my daily commute.
Interesting...I always slouch and have been told many times to sit up straight or I will have a bad back...I have never had any back problems, but many of the people that have told me to sit up seem to have back problems or some sort or another, even those who are younger. I always told them that slouching feels more natural to the body, and also that sitting up straight tends to put excess pressure on the lower spine and causes compression which over time may cause back problems. Anyways, its my 2 cents.