Well, let's put it this way: you'll be able to buy that card, and the machine to do it with, in about 5-10 years. It'll probably be the card that comes out at the same time as the Pentium 5-5000 or 6000 (7500 at latest), which isn't as far away as you might think. The average machine will have about 1 Gig to 1.5 Gig of RAM then, and about 400 GB hard drive will be availble (200 GB will be the norm for the people like Dell and Compaq). I think (without knowing what Square's processing requirements were at the time of making FF the movie) that this system will be able to render something like FF realtime, but that type of rendering will pale to another breakthrough movie of the time.
Moore's law will not have hit a wall by then, but I think you will be able to do your Final Fantasy and Shrek rendering by then... but there will be another couple all-CGI movies about a year before that will elicit the same post as you said, and will be answered the same way: wait 5-10 years, it'll happen.
This sounds just like what caused the death-knell of 3DFX: company bets the bank to make a monster video card that blows everything out of the water, and holds off on a whole scheduled version release (once every 18 months) to make this monster card... and blows it big time.
3DFX used to compete with NVIDIA. When NVIDIA released a new line of cards, so did 3DFX, or when 3DFX released a new line of cards first, so did NVIDIA.
When the GeForce2 cards came out, everyone waited for 3DFX to release their competitive line. About 4 months later, 3DFX released a couple Voodoo4 cards, but not much in the way of competition, and nothing spectacularly advanced above the Voodoo3's. However, they also let out news of plans to make a market breaker card, the Voodoo 5-6000, which would take up fall case length (and bump harddrives), have 5 fans on it, and require an external wallwart-style DC adaptor for power supply. It was a $600 card meant for the mega-gamers and graphic designers out there. This was a huge card... and their biggest flop, for once it came out, NVIDIA was already releasing the GeForce3's which had better specs and lower prices overall.
Now, Nvidia does something just like that. This card is double-height (the second slot worth is ducting for external air intake and exhaust) and is full case length. It's got monster specs, and has thrown off their regular 18-month cycle of new cards. This new one is $600 as well.
Sounds to me like some of the execs of 3DFX have gotten on the board of NVIDIA via the buyout, and are trying to make another Voodoo5-6000. I hope it doesn't end the same way, with this company going down the tubes as well.
It SHOULDN'T mean a rewrite of all of their software, as the software should just be written to reference to the OS layer below it, not to the Kernel layer below that. The only things that might have problems are things like Visual C++ which, as part of their programming language, has the ability to make direct device calls... which even then should be done via device drivers running in the OS layer.
Theoretically, the OS should run as an abstraction layer, so that whatever it is running on top of, whether that be a DOS "kernel", NT kernel, Macintosh (before OSX), or Linux or BSD kernel, isn't even something that needs to be addressed by the individual apps.
Of course, that's in a perfect world, where any windowing system, whether it be MS Windows based, Mac windowing based, or X-Window based, can run on top of any kernel. We don't have a perfect world, and application developers (especially Microsoft ones) are known to code quick and dirty for their specific setup only, not for global compatibility.
Yes, I agree that before you spend money to sink yourself further in debt, you should at least work on paying off some of your bills... but these people in charge of the US government's debt, once they get a surplus of money, they decide to either give themselves a raise (look at how ridiculously overpaid some of them are!), or decide to go blow it all on something else (give it away to other countries for aid, give it away to the US people as a $300 "surplus" check when they're getting deeper in debt, call up a war or two).
The US government will never be able to get to a point where they're in the black.
That should be "Nook-You-Lur". That's how 2/3 of anyone who you see on TV (celebs, Congress, even some scientists on Discovery channel) say it.... and it's a big pet peeve of mine when I hear a scientist say it, they should know better!
Actually, the International Space Station's name was originally supposed to be Alpha (which of course isn't a Greco-Roman reference like Appolo, Gemini, Mercury, or Prometheus).
That is, until the Russian's protested that it made it sound like the ISS was the very first station up there, and didn't acknowledge Mir (and actually, Skylab was before that!). So, they had to change it to something else.
Hackers 2:Takedown was the story of Kevin Mitnick, from the beginning of his social engineering career up through the cracking that led to his imprisonment. It had nothing to do with the original movie, except for the fact that both had individuals who were interested in gaining illegal access to other individual's resources (whether it be an improperly secured phone network or improperly secured computer network.)
Unfortunately, the chief advisor to this movie was the guy who he cracked that took him to court and led him to prison. So, the movie is a little one sided and not as true to life as possible.
Some cable providers, like one in my area (Eastern Connecticut Cable), require an addressable cable box to watch channels above and beyond their basic package. Channels like SciFi and Discovery are in this "Expanded" package. They also require a cable box for the "Premium" channels, like Showtime, Starz, HBO.
So you can't just plug your Tivo into their line and expect it to be able to watch those channels... you have to output the cable box to the Tivo which in turn outputs to TV, and use an IR blaster to change channels. If you go with a direct cable into Tivo, all channels except the basic ones (which is usually the local network feeds) show as scrambled.
I use Sattelite feed, which, without a DirecTivo, requires a set-top box of it's own to get anything...
Well, I know she was the voice of the computer in NextGen and Deep Space 9. Looking at IMDB's listing for her, she was the voice for Voyager's computer on the pilot episode ("Caretaker"), but there's no credits for the rest of the series.
I haven't heard a computer voice for "Enterprise" yet, but I doubt we ever will (unless they do a time travel to 24th century, which isn't asking too much... they've already sent Captain to the 29th century...)
...unless Visa (credit card corp) is planning on going into the travel visa business with a one-card system (all your info is based on the numbered tracks on your card, which reference a central database). Even then, there is no case at current until Visa owns the travel visa process.
I can't believe they convinced a Las Vegas federal court that it was a legit case. It should have been laughed out by the judge in less than 10 minutes. There is no way this should have gotten this far.
Back the end of Sept 2001 we had a lightning strike on campus where I work. It twisted around a tree, then went into the ground.
The UPS's worked great, and none of the power was affected at all. Howerver, the problem was when the lightning hit the ground, it traveled in all directions... eventually hitting the buildings themselves, and found the bundles of CAT-5 running below the floors, in the walls.
Being a small campus, we only lost 14 workstation network cards, 4 printer network cards, and 1 workstation. However, one of those buildings was where our main fiber / copper switch was for the campus. We lost two blades on that, as well as a few lesser switches.
The moral being: Insurance company only gave us about 40% of what everything was worth. In something like the fire we're all talking about, they may give some more, but nowhere near enough to bring the campus back up to where it was. There is going to be some significant cost to this university.
Sorry to tell ya, this article is redundant. It was reported in the Tranya-Voltaris Times about 6000-9000 years ago. I don't have a link, the page request timed out.
Can't we get the Slashdot editors to post things on time a little sooner? I'm getting tired of the articles being a day, two days, or 6000-9000 years behind when they actually got posted.
The $100 price I'm quoting is the retail price in stores like Wal-mart and also the price being shown on Amazon (List Price $139.99, Our price: $99.99).
I'm still going to buy it. I saw DS9 in bits and pieces, and every station I try to watch it in reruns on for the past 4 years has either aired only half the series then dumped it, or changed the time slot all over the place without announcing it, or shown episodes out of order (really bad when one week you're watching season 3, then the next they start showing season 6, especially given the way DS9 started going into a serial format with every episode depending on the ones before).
I know, I could've subscribed to Columbia House and bought the VHS series, but I wanted to wait for the DVD's anyways.
Just re-read the article summary, and it said 6 discs. That's $16.67 each (not including the bonus CD (encyclopedia excerpts for one, audio tracks for another, audio book for another) that's coming with each box of TNG. Those will probably also come with DS9, except of course have DS9 instead of TNG stuff on them.
Yes, we'll be victimized. At $100 per season, 26 eps (42 mins each) per season, usually 4 eps plus some added stuff per disk... That's about 7 disks. 100/7 = $14.29 per disk
That's 160 or so minutes (over 2 and a half hours) per disk. How much do you need to spend on a new DVD released the same day? (Usually $19.99 or higher).
Oh, we're definitely being victimized.
And if you don't like the price, you can always wait about 2-3 years for the price to come down to about $80. It's called an "Early Adopters Fee", and is used by almost every sales industry on a new product in high demand. Just like CD's, VHS, DVD's, software, and others, the price will come down over time, and also as demand becomes less.
When Voyager box sets come out in March 2004, they too will be $100 each, and the same complaint will be brought up by people like you.
I'm done. Now you can go ahead and whine about how this shouldn't be compared this way because it's a 10 year old product (or, in the case of TNG, 15 year old product for the first season).
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OK, I just realized my bit about the OSI chart was wrong... OSI is networking layers.
But, I do believe there should be abstraction layers at the OS level and windowing system level.
Well, let's put it this way: you'll be able to buy that card, and the machine to do it with, in about 5-10 years. It'll probably be the card that comes out at the same time as the Pentium 5-5000 or 6000 (7500 at latest), which isn't as far away as you might think. The average machine will have about 1 Gig to 1.5 Gig of RAM then, and about 400 GB hard drive will be availble (200 GB will be the norm for the people like Dell and Compaq). I think (without knowing what Square's processing requirements were at the time of making FF the movie) that this system will be able to render something like FF realtime, but that type of rendering will pale to another breakthrough movie of the time.
Moore's law will not have hit a wall by then, but I think you will be able to do your Final Fantasy and Shrek rendering by then... but there will be another couple all-CGI movies about a year before that will elicit the same post as you said, and will be answered the same way: wait 5-10 years, it'll happen.
This sounds just like what caused the death-knell of 3DFX: company bets the bank to make a monster video card that blows everything out of the water, and holds off on a whole scheduled version release (once every 18 months) to make this monster card... and blows it big time.
3DFX used to compete with NVIDIA. When NVIDIA released a new line of cards, so did 3DFX, or when 3DFX released a new line of cards first, so did NVIDIA.
When the GeForce2 cards came out, everyone waited for 3DFX to release their competitive line. About 4 months later, 3DFX released a couple Voodoo4 cards, but not much in the way of competition, and nothing spectacularly advanced above the Voodoo3's. However, they also let out news of plans to make a market breaker card, the Voodoo 5-6000, which would take up fall case length (and bump harddrives), have 5 fans on it, and require an external wallwart-style DC adaptor for power supply. It was a $600 card meant for the mega-gamers and graphic designers out there. This was a huge card... and their biggest flop, for once it came out, NVIDIA was already releasing the GeForce3's which had better specs and lower prices overall.
Now, Nvidia does something just like that. This card is double-height (the second slot worth is ducting for external air intake and exhaust) and is full case length. It's got monster specs, and has thrown off their regular 18-month cycle of new cards. This new one is $600 as well.
Sounds to me like some of the execs of 3DFX have gotten on the board of NVIDIA via the buyout, and are trying to make another Voodoo5-6000. I hope it doesn't end the same way, with this company going down the tubes as well.
If she does, she's a busy girl. Wonder if you also have to pay for the plane ticket for her to get to the next person's bed?
#4... see the OSI chart, Applicaton Layer
It SHOULDN'T mean a rewrite of all of their software, as the software should just be written to reference to the OS layer below it, not to the Kernel layer below that. The only things that might have problems are things like Visual C++ which, as part of their programming language, has the ability to make direct device calls... which even then should be done via device drivers running in the OS layer.
Theoretically, the OS should run as an abstraction layer, so that whatever it is running on top of, whether that be a DOS "kernel", NT kernel, Macintosh (before OSX), or Linux or BSD kernel, isn't even something that needs to be addressed by the individual apps.
Of course, that's in a perfect world, where any windowing system, whether it be MS Windows based, Mac windowing based, or X-Window based, can run on top of any kernel. We don't have a perfect world, and application developers (especially Microsoft ones) are known to code quick and dirty for their specific setup only, not for global compatibility.
So, yes, for the time being, you are correct.
Yes, I agree that before you spend money to sink yourself further in debt, you should at least work on paying off some of your bills... but these people in charge of the US government's debt, once they get a surplus of money, they decide to either give themselves a raise (look at how ridiculously overpaid some of them are!), or decide to go blow it all on something else (give it away to other countries for aid, give it away to the US people as a $300 "surplus" check when they're getting deeper in debt, call up a war or two).
The US government will never be able to get to a point where they're in the black.
That should be "Nook-You-Lur". That's how 2/3 of anyone who you see on TV (celebs, Congress, even some scientists on Discovery channel) say it.... and it's a big pet peeve of mine when I hear a scientist say it, they should know better!
Actually, the International Space Station's name was originally supposed to be Alpha (which of course isn't a Greco-Roman reference like Appolo, Gemini, Mercury, or Prometheus).
That is, until the Russian's protested that it made it sound like the ISS was the very first station up there, and didn't acknowledge Mir (and actually, Skylab was before that!). So, they had to change it to something else.
Hackers 2:Takedown was the story of Kevin Mitnick, from the beginning of his social engineering career up through the cracking that led to his imprisonment. It had nothing to do with the original movie, except for the fact that both had individuals who were interested in gaining illegal access to other individual's resources (whether it be an improperly secured phone network or improperly secured computer network.)
Unfortunately, the chief advisor to this movie was the guy who he cracked that took him to court and led him to prison. So, the movie is a little one sided and not as true to life as possible.
But, as they say, history is written by victors.
It looks as if they're putting the roman numerals in reverse, so IX to them is the next movie, 11.
Some cable providers, like one in my area (Eastern Connecticut Cable), require an addressable cable box to watch channels above and beyond their basic package. Channels like SciFi and Discovery are in this "Expanded" package. They also require a cable box for the "Premium" channels, like Showtime, Starz, HBO.
So you can't just plug your Tivo into their line and expect it to be able to watch those channels... you have to output the cable box to the Tivo which in turn outputs to TV, and use an IR blaster to change channels. If you go with a direct cable into Tivo, all channels except the basic ones (which is usually the local network feeds) show as scrambled.
I use Sattelite feed, which, without a DirecTivo, requires a set-top box of it's own to get anything...
With the ages of most in the US and Russian space program (especially moreso those on Ground Control), you should send them up and call it:
United States Space Resthome (USSR)
Methinks someone forgot to press the shift key... unless, that is, you really did mean to say you've got a 55 FOOT TV.
If so, then I envy little Johnny.
Well, I know she was the voice of the computer in NextGen and Deep Space 9. Looking at IMDB's listing for her, she was the voice for Voyager's computer on the pilot episode ("Caretaker"), but there's no credits for the rest of the series.
I haven't heard a computer voice for "Enterprise" yet, but I doubt we ever will (unless they do a time travel to 24th century, which isn't asking too much... they've already sent Captain to the 29th century...)
In Star Trek, everyone is looking out for Number One as well.
Slight difference, however, between the two series.
you mean look outside of their x-window, right?
...unless Visa (credit card corp) is planning on going into the travel visa business with a one-card system (all your info is based on the numbered tracks on your card, which reference a central database). Even then, there is no case at current until Visa owns the travel visa process.
I can't believe they convinced a Las Vegas federal court that it was a legit case. It should have been laughed out by the judge in less than 10 minutes. There is no way this should have gotten this far.
Back the end of Sept 2001 we had a lightning strike on campus where I work. It twisted around a tree, then went into the ground.
The UPS's worked great, and none of the power was affected at all. Howerver, the problem was when the lightning hit the ground, it traveled in all directions... eventually hitting the buildings themselves, and found the bundles of CAT-5 running below the floors, in the walls.
Being a small campus, we only lost 14 workstation network cards, 4 printer network cards, and 1 workstation. However, one of those buildings was where our main fiber / copper switch was for the campus. We lost two blades on that, as well as a few lesser switches.
The moral being: Insurance company only gave us about 40% of what everything was worth. In something like the fire we're all talking about, they may give some more, but nowhere near enough to bring the campus back up to where it was. There is going to be some significant cost to this university.
And why would you do something like that? Think, McFly, think!
Sorry to tell ya, this article is redundant. It was reported in the Tranya-Voltaris Times about 6000-9000 years ago. I don't have a link, the page request timed out.
Can't we get the Slashdot editors to post things on time a little sooner? I'm getting tired of the articles being a day, two days, or 6000-9000 years behind when they actually got posted.
Think of it this way: Really big box.
(Or, you could go the other way. Use the rumor that Mountain Dew makes certain genitals shrink, and just say it makes the whole body shrink)
What's my tattoo say?
Dude! What's mine say?
Sweet! What's mine say?
Dude! What's mine say?
Sweet! What's mine say?
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And so on....
The $100 price I'm quoting is the retail price in stores like Wal-mart and also the price being shown on Amazon (List Price $139.99, Our price: $99.99).
I'm still going to buy it. I saw DS9 in bits and pieces, and every station I try to watch it in reruns on for the past 4 years has either aired only half the series then dumped it, or changed the time slot all over the place without announcing it, or shown episodes out of order (really bad when one week you're watching season 3, then the next they start showing season 6, especially given the way DS9 started going into a serial format with every episode depending on the ones before).
I know, I could've subscribed to Columbia House and bought the VHS series, but I wanted to wait for the DVD's anyways.
Just re-read the article summary, and it said 6 discs. That's $16.67 each (not including the bonus CD (encyclopedia excerpts for one, audio tracks for another, audio book for another) that's coming with each box of TNG. Those will probably also come with DS9, except of course have DS9 instead of TNG stuff on them.
Yes, we'll be victimized. At $100 per season, 26 eps (42 mins each) per season, usually 4 eps plus some added stuff per disk... That's about 7 disks. 100/7 = $14.29 per disk
That's 160 or so minutes (over 2 and a half hours) per disk. How much do you need to spend on a new DVD released the same day? (Usually $19.99 or higher).
Oh, we're definitely being victimized.
And if you don't like the price, you can always wait about 2-3 years for the price to come down to about $80. It's called an "Early Adopters Fee", and is used by almost every sales industry on a new product in high demand. Just like CD's, VHS, DVD's, software, and others, the price will come down over time, and also as demand becomes less.
When Voyager box sets come out in March 2004, they too will be $100 each, and the same complaint will be brought up by people like you.
I'm done. Now you can go ahead and whine about how this shouldn't be compared this way because it's a 10 year old product (or, in the case of TNG, 15 year old product for the first season).