That was in reference to game sales. How could you take any other way? The 360 outsells Wii and PS3 buy a large amount in games like GH3, Madden, etc. GH3 sold better on the 360 then the PS2 btw.
No, and stop looking at "my list". You can crap on it all you want, but it doesn't mean you've got a good point. Sales show most people don't think like you.
There's tons of Wii stories that have been on the site. Almost all positive. It's not/.'s fault the 360 is a good system that has done well. And since/. isn't based out of Japan, there really isn't much of a reason for a lot of PS3 stories.
Why are there more iPod stories then Zen stories? Hmmm, not hard to figure out.
At least in the US and Europe. And it's enough, even with bad sales in Japan, to say it has good sales. So this is no surprise.
And it's clearly the best mover of games (please spare me Sport and Play since the opportunity for 3rd parties to have their games inlcuded with the console or a second remote is slim to none) based on sales.
Even when looking at games available on all systems, the 360 cleans up.
It was a great fall for the 360 considering the releases:
Halo, Guitar Hero 3, The Orange Box, Call of Duty 4, Assassians Creed, Mass Effect, Rock Band, amongst other lesser titles.
That's a pretty impressive list for people that like "games". And what is being missed by some is that in those titles there's really some new things. Orange Box has Portal. AC took interactive environments to a new level letting you scale nearly every single building in the game. Rock band is rock band. Mass Effect introduced a new dialog system to the new standard for action-RPG's that let the game unfold like a movie.
My thought is it started because of popular songs that had a similar sounding word:
Whoop/Whoot/Whoomp there it is...
Whoop/Whoot/Whoomp there it is...
Since it was hard to tell what word they were really saying some heard it as "whoot" and it took off from there. And made it's way to geek culture eventually winding up as:
The egg came before the chicken. That's just how evolution works. A non-chicken did not have all its DNA mutate mid-life turning it into a chicken. Instead, the zygote of the first chicken had all it's DNA intact at conception, passed along from two parents that were not quite chickens.
OK, well lets play your little game. To make dishonest fucks like you happy I'll rephrase my statement.
The Wii has proven to be a system that doesn't sell games nearly as well as the 360 unless the games are bundled with *every* system or sold with Wii remotes.
Therefore, I still contend that the Wii is not a system the developers of games will target over the 360.
It's $10 more for a controller with Play then without. And it's the remote that is selling Play.
I guess we should count the bug maze game that came with the Sega Master System as one of the best selling games ever, right? Yeah, I'll hold my breath as that one is back loaded into the rankings.
What mods modded this a troll? Surely not mods that have any experience building public facing websites.
For years I've seen WC3 this WC3 that. And what does it do? Except create "standards" that are ignored or partially implemented by the browsers. And the browsers are what matters. WC3 might as well not exist. They keep moving forward, and the people that matter are not listening.
We do a site up in proper CSS and it breaks in many of the browsers people are using. Every new laptop with IE scales images wrong if they're set to 120 DPI thanks to Redmon, totally breaking CSS pages without goofy workarounds. And little quirks between rendering in Opera and FF make our web person lose sleep at night.
My point is I've never really cared what the WC3 does. I care what IE, FF, Opera and a few others do. Their standards are half ignored - half adopted, years later. It's only been in the last few years we can finally ditch the IE/Netscape 4 lowest common denominator. They're talking about HTML 5, and I don't even see HTML 3 done right. They move forward without adoption and thus make what they say mostly irrelevant to me.
What is it with you Wii people and dishonest discussion? You know Wii Sports is included in every Wii purchased. First, it's a few people trying to put Wii Play, a game that comes included with a controller, into the discussion. Now you're trying to sneak Wii Sport into the discussion.
Second, Halo 3 has sold over 6 million copies since lunch. More then any single game (that doesn't come bundled with every console) in the last few years.
Third, when you say things like "At last NPD count, there were 2,5 millions more XBox 360 in the USA than there was Wii." and yet we're discussing WORLD WIDE SALES, it doesn't make you appear honest in the last bit. But we already knew that when you tried to use sales of Sport.
I don't expect you to learn crap. I do expect you to at least follow the discussion. Go post your "you don't know windows" tagent on someone else's post. I replied to a post about customization of software, not the fact that you're not able to admin a windows box.
You do realize that when I said "false comparison" I meant comparing the sales of Halo 3 against Galaxy, right?
And yet, when comparing "sales", actually comparing the "sales" seems to make sense.
You know, same number of 360's and Wii's out there. One flagship game sells 6x more then the other flagship game.
There's no false comparison. You can take out the 360's that sold after Halo 3 came out and you still can't get Galaxy close in sales. Hell, substitute Gears of War and you still can't get Galaxy close.
Double hell, total game sales the 360 heavily beats Wii. If your explanation is people bought the Wii to play Sport, hey that's your call. You didn't do a survey, you're doing nothing but making a guess to explain numbers, you're calling out the numbers based on your guess, but hey, your call.
My actual reason guess would be people bought the Wii because they played Sport. So casual non-gamers bought one, and they just aren't going to buy many other games. And others, normal gamer types, well, they really didn't like the controller for most games (it's great at bowling and golf sure, not so much many other things), the system itself wasn't fancy, and so it collects dust.
There's nothing else like the Wii out there. Nothing that gives such a great 1st impression, and yet isn't able to keep up that quality after a few mini-games. The Wii is being sold on sport, and will never be able to move games like the other systems because it's more a novelty then a revolution.
You do realise that the Guitar Hero games also include controllers do you?
Wii Play is a $10 game collection that comes when you buy a 2nd remote for the system. You have a Wii so you know that. Please, don't try to win an discussion by posting something like you did. It isn't honest. We all know there's a huge difference between a game like GH that requires you buy the game (and if you don't have one the guitar required to play it), and a freebie game included in a second controller.
Who the fuck modded this a troll? A hope you get meta-moderated to hell. The initial post off the story that I replied to *was* about selling games. Coming back and telling me that that I drew some false comparison because people didn't buy the Wii to play other games was pointless. But hey, anyone can get mod points. Good job not even bothering to read before using yours.
I think the why is actually important because otherwise you get into a false comparison, which I think you have. The reason why Galaxy isn't selling as well as Halo 3 is simple. People didn't buy their Wii to play Galaxy. They bought it to play Wii Play. Just like people bought the XBox 360 to play Halo (3, 4, et al).
You do realize this is a discussion (meaning, my post, what I replied to, etc...) as to the Wii as a movers of games right? Please consider that when writing things like "false comparision" and the rest of your reply since it's quite obvious you missed that part.
Notice that the Wii has a piece of hardware, a controller, on your list. Play comes with it. Counting that at all is shady when talking about games sales.
And you picked ONE month of sales? For the Year the 360 is dominant. Much more impressive then your April list that inlcudes a controller (we're talking games, remember)
Halo 3 sold 6 million. Metroid, Zelda and Mario Galaxy combined haven't sold that much.
The three combined sold about 1/2 as much as Halo 3 in their 1st week I believe. So I dont think that's it.
And overall, Halo 3's sold more then any of them, and so has Gears of War. In fact, the Xbox has 29 games that have topped the 1 million mark. The Wii 9 (I think it's fair not to count Sports or Play in sales).
I can't fathom anything that couldn't be extended or plugged into exchange. Save for maybe tiny glowing fish predicting the future. But other then that, this isn't the tool to be barking up that tree with. Closed source doesn't mean "can't do". In fact, commericial products are often much easier to make small changes to because since it is closed they've given hooks into many areas that a boy, his dog, and a GUI can alter to make work. Where as with open source your developers need to work up the nerve to actually go in, change/add, before recompiling. And for something major like a mail server (let's be honest, mail servers are typically tier 1, major critical apps for most orgs) that change shouldn't come lightly.
I don't know. Wii sales for games have not been great. It doesn't matter how big the potential user base is if they've proven to be small in game sales.
Galaxy's sold well of course, but that is ultra-flagship. And it wasn't even close to the number of units sold for Halo 3. And I mean not even close.
Why? There's about the same amount of Wii's in house as 360's. Halo 3 had a little better marketing campaign I'm sure. But still, the numbers for Halo 3 in week one were like 6x that of Galaxy.
I have several opinions on why, but in the end the why (for us) isn't as important as the numbers. And the numbers say that the Wii should be selling more games then it has, and it can't just be blamed on the lack of great games, because you'd think, given the lack, a truley great game like Galaxy would sell much much more.
What are you rambling about? You have no right to claim that what came before the Big Bang is not knowable.
You are a classic case of God of the Gaps. Your gap is before the inflationary period of the Big Bang, and you're shoving God in there. That it isn't knowable now (and there are current theories being worked on to fill in this gap fyi) doesn't mean it always will be, and doesn't give you the right to claim it's unknowable.
Sadly, I didn't get back to this topic so no one will probably read this. But I find it so ironic that you attempted to respond to my "God of the Gaps" post with nothing but ignorant prattle, weak logic, and another f'in gap.
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That was in reference to game sales. How could you take any other way? The 360 outsells Wii and PS3 buy a large amount in games like GH3, Madden, etc. GH3 sold better on the 360 then the PS2 btw.
No, and stop looking at "my list". You can crap on it all you want, but it doesn't mean you've got a good point. Sales show most people don't think like you.
Can you post a link to your desktop so we can all see the image.
/. thinks it's OK to link to some large image file on some little server somewhere.
I really hate when
There's tons of Wii stories that have been on the site. Almost all positive. It's not /.'s fault the 360 is a good system that has done well. And since /. isn't based out of Japan, there really isn't much of a reason for a lot of PS3 stories.
Why are there more iPod stories then Zen stories? Hmmm, not hard to figure out.
At least in the US and Europe. And it's enough, even with bad sales in Japan, to say it has good sales. So this is no surprise.
And it's clearly the best mover of games (please spare me Sport and Play since the opportunity for 3rd parties to have their games inlcuded with the console or a second remote is slim to none) based on sales.
Even when looking at games available on all systems, the 360 cleans up.
It was a great fall for the 360 considering the releases:
Halo, Guitar Hero 3, The Orange Box, Call of Duty 4, Assassians Creed, Mass Effect, Rock Band, amongst other lesser titles.
That's a pretty impressive list for people that like "games". And what is being missed by some is that in those titles there's really some new things. Orange Box has Portal. AC took interactive environments to a new level letting you scale nearly every single building in the game. Rock band is rock band. Mass Effect introduced a new dialog system to the new standard for action-RPG's that let the game unfold like a movie.
I know sometimes RTFA is too much. But RTFS should be required before posting.
EQ made it popular but it was around before then.
My thought is it started because of popular songs that had a similar sounding word:
Whoop/Whoot/Whoomp there it is...
Whoop/Whoot/Whoomp there it is...
Since it was hard to tell what word they were really saying some heard it as "whoot" and it took off from there. And made it's way to geek culture eventually winding up as:
Druid: W00T!
Ranger: ?
Druid: DING!
Ranger: grats
So in Japan do digital camcorders sound like jackhammers?
click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click............
The egg "self-generates" if you're asking what I think you're asking.
The egg is actually a sac around the fetus, and it grows with the fetus until it hardens and becomes an egg.
FYI:
The egg came before the chicken. That's just how evolution works. A non-chicken did not have all its DNA mutate mid-life turning it into a chicken. Instead, the zygote of the first chicken had all it's DNA intact at conception, passed along from two parents that were not quite chickens.
OK, well lets play your little game. To make dishonest fucks like you happy I'll rephrase my statement.
The Wii has proven to be a system that doesn't sell games nearly as well as the 360 unless the games are bundled with *every* system or sold with Wii remotes.
Therefore, I still contend that the Wii is not a system the developers of games will target over the 360.
Happy? Bunch of Wii homerestic pricks.
It's $10 more for a controller with Play then without. And it's the remote that is selling Play.
I guess we should count the bug maze game that came with the Sega Master System as one of the best selling games ever, right? Yeah, I'll hold my breath as that one is back loaded into the rankings.
What mods modded this a troll? Surely not mods that have any experience building public facing websites.
For years I've seen WC3 this WC3 that. And what does it do? Except create "standards" that are ignored or partially implemented by the browsers. And the browsers are what matters. WC3 might as well not exist. They keep moving forward, and the people that matter are not listening.
HTML 3 4 5 whatever.
We do a site up in proper CSS and it breaks in many of the browsers people are using. Every new laptop with IE scales images wrong if they're set to 120 DPI thanks to Redmon, totally breaking CSS pages without goofy workarounds. And little quirks between rendering in Opera and FF make our web person lose sleep at night.
My point is I've never really cared what the WC3 does. I care what IE, FF, Opera and a few others do. Their standards are half ignored - half adopted, years later. It's only been in the last few years we can finally ditch the IE/Netscape 4 lowest common denominator. They're talking about HTML 5, and I don't even see HTML 3 done right. They move forward without adoption and thus make what they say mostly irrelevant to me.
Wii sports comes Wii.
What is it with you Wii people and dishonest discussion? You know Wii Sports is included in every Wii purchased. First, it's a few people trying to put Wii Play, a game that comes included with a controller, into the discussion. Now you're trying to sneak Wii Sport into the discussion.
Second, Halo 3 has sold over 6 million copies since lunch. More then any single game (that doesn't come bundled with every console) in the last few years.
Third, when you say things like "At last NPD count, there were 2,5 millions more XBox 360 in the USA than there was Wii." and yet we're discussing WORLD WIDE SALES, it doesn't make you appear honest in the last bit. But we already knew that when you tried to use sales of Sport.
I don't expect you to learn crap. I do expect you to at least follow the discussion. Go post your "you don't know windows" tagent on someone else's post. I replied to a post about customization of software, not the fact that you're not able to admin a windows box.
You do realize that when I said "false comparison" I meant comparing the sales of Halo 3 against Galaxy, right?
And yet, when comparing "sales", actually comparing the "sales" seems to make sense.
You know, same number of 360's and Wii's out there. One flagship game sells 6x more then the other flagship game.
There's no false comparison. You can take out the 360's that sold after Halo 3 came out and you still can't get Galaxy close in sales. Hell, substitute Gears of War and you still can't get Galaxy close.
Double hell, total game sales the 360 heavily beats Wii. If your explanation is people bought the Wii to play Sport, hey that's your call. You didn't do a survey, you're doing nothing but making a guess to explain numbers, you're calling out the numbers based on your guess, but hey, your call.
My actual reason guess would be people bought the Wii because they played Sport. So casual non-gamers bought one, and they just aren't going to buy many other games. And others, normal gamer types, well, they really didn't like the controller for most games (it's great at bowling and golf sure, not so much many other things), the system itself wasn't fancy, and so it collects dust.
There's nothing else like the Wii out there. Nothing that gives such a great 1st impression, and yet isn't able to keep up that quality after a few mini-games. The Wii is being sold on sport, and will never be able to move games like the other systems because it's more a novelty then a revolution.
You do realise that the Guitar Hero games also include controllers do you?
Wii Play is a $10 game collection that comes when you buy a 2nd remote for the system. You have a Wii so you know that. Please, don't try to win an discussion by posting something like you did. It isn't honest. We all know there's a huge difference between a game like GH that requires you buy the game (and if you don't have one the guitar required to play it), and a freebie game included in a second controller.
Who the fuck modded this a troll? A hope you get meta-moderated to hell. The initial post off the story that I replied to *was* about selling games. Coming back and telling me that that I drew some false comparison because people didn't buy the Wii to play other games was pointless. But hey, anyone can get mod points. Good job not even bothering to read before using yours.
I think the why is actually important because otherwise you get into a false comparison, which I think you have. The reason why Galaxy isn't selling as well as Halo 3 is simple. People didn't buy their Wii to play Galaxy. They bought it to play Wii Play. Just like people bought the XBox 360 to play Halo (3, 4, et al).
You do realize this is a discussion (meaning, my post, what I replied to, etc...) as to the Wii as a movers of games right? Please consider that when writing things like "false comparision" and the rest of your reply since it's quite obvious you missed that part.
Notice that the Wii has a piece of hardware, a controller, on your list. Play comes with it. Counting that at all is shady when talking about games sales.
And you picked ONE month of sales? For the Year the 360 is dominant. Much more impressive then your April list that inlcudes a controller (we're talking games, remember)
Halo 3 sold 6 million. Metroid, Zelda and Mario Galaxy combined haven't sold that much.
The three combined sold about 1/2 as much as Halo 3 in their 1st week I believe. So I dont think that's it.
And overall, Halo 3's sold more then any of them, and so has Gears of War. In fact, the Xbox has 29 games that have topped the 1 million mark. The Wii 9 (I think it's fair not to count Sports or Play in sales).
I can't fathom anything that couldn't be extended or plugged into exchange. Save for maybe tiny glowing fish predicting the future. But other then that, this isn't the tool to be barking up that tree with. Closed source doesn't mean "can't do". In fact, commericial products are often much easier to make small changes to because since it is closed they've given hooks into many areas that a boy, his dog, and a GUI can alter to make work. Where as with open source your developers need to work up the nerve to actually go in, change/add, before recompiling. And for something major like a mail server (let's be honest, mail servers are typically tier 1, major critical apps for most orgs) that change shouldn't come lightly.
I don't know. Wii sales for games have not been great. It doesn't matter how big the potential user base is if they've proven to be small in game sales.
Galaxy's sold well of course, but that is ultra-flagship. And it wasn't even close to the number of units sold for Halo 3. And I mean not even close.
Why? There's about the same amount of Wii's in house as 360's. Halo 3 had a little better marketing campaign I'm sure. But still, the numbers for Halo 3 in week one were like 6x that of Galaxy.
I have several opinions on why, but in the end the why (for us) isn't as important as the numbers. And the numbers say that the Wii should be selling more games then it has, and it can't just be blamed on the lack of great games, because you'd think, given the lack, a truley great game like Galaxy would sell much much more.
What are you rambling about? You have no right to claim that what came before the Big Bang is not knowable.
You are a classic case of God of the Gaps. Your gap is before the inflationary period of the Big Bang, and you're shoving God in there. That it isn't knowable now (and there are current theories being worked on to fill in this gap fyi) doesn't mean it always will be, and doesn't give you the right to claim it's unknowable.
Sadly, I didn't get back to this topic so no one will probably read this. But I find it so ironic that you attempted to respond to my "God of the Gaps" post with nothing but ignorant prattle, weak logic, and another f'in gap.
It's shrinking. One day they'll be no place to hide.