I use the computer to get things done as fast as possiable and with the most amount of reliability as possiable. Hence ls, rm, df... This is horriable. I'd never get anything done. What a bunch of bloat. No wonder I only use Linux as a hobby OS and get things done in Solaris or Mac...
I don't see using FreeBSD and KDE being a problem. Who cares, Linux doesn't do anything any of the other wanna be unices don't do. So know we have all these branches of OS' and everyone tries the GUI, OS, etc of the month. Greeeaaat.
Hmm, would be nice if all modules worked that way. I had to add some modules for ip_sec to my firewall this weekend and tried doing it without recompiling everything. Sure enough had to patch the kernel also and recompile and stuff.
Kinda sucks on dual 50Mhz Sparc procs.
Right now, if a user wants to do something as simple as setting a customized background (as opposed to the builtins), they have to edit their.dtprofile in addition to changing some settings using the CDE controls.
Be still my heart... UNIX users being required to know 3 vi commands?!?!?!? What is this world coming to!
Then why didn't Ximian or Sun or some average Linux user do this for the user in the first place as the default from the install?
I thought one of the main points to Gnome was Average Joe user could use it without knowing what was under the hood and actually understand how to use the computer properly from the first time they sat down.
I think it's a great tool for some things. Being a Solaris Admin myself (and pissed off that I do have to support a few bastard child Linux distros) (and a little HP/UX, AIX, and IRIX in the past) get totally frustrated and freaked out when someone wants another version of the same thing but does it slightly different.
POSIX being a joke and why UNIX mostly failed because of the splintering...
IMHO, I think for Linux to truly triumph there needs to be a common thread more then the kernel, being united and with some set standards instead of each distro company running in opposite directions with what they think is best for Linux.
There's a HUGE difference between optimization of a machine for a specific role and having Sun come out with Solaris Firewall, Solaris WebServer, Solaris DB, Solaris Workstation and all having different revs of software installed, different startup styles and scripts, different arguments to common commands, missing commands, different glibc version, different compiler version and libraries, etc. RPMv3, RPMv4, DEB, pkg, etc...
My point was that Linux is almost too open and fragmented, two distros look absolutely nothing alike and by being so diverse you become a jack of all trades and master of none. Just as no one can claim to be a UNIX guru (or they can until you ask of which platform and type) no one will be able to say they are a Linux guru because in a couple more years RedHat's gonna look like HP/UX and Mandrake like AIX.
Ok, so why not add pirana to RedHat then instead of a new distro entirely? Even better why not just develop apache to use mod_proxy and make it a non Linux specific solution.
What's the benefit or why does it matter if Linux fits on a floppy for a firewall? Let's say the environment is grown to 200-300 Linux boxes strong and each one is totally different. How does having a machine that's nothing like the rest help make the admin's job any easier at 2:00am when it goes down? Or what if a new person walks in the door to take over the environment and has to figure out wtf is going on and how each one works, learning curve goes waaay up.
Not trying to start a war, but it's the custimization and optimization that makes it harder to administrate in my opinion. It makes it an elegant hack job of bubble gum and duct tape...
As a consultant I find myself having to do that all the time when I have rows of rows of strange new equipment I have to find and they aren't labeled or I don't have the time to look around... With a Sun...
# snoop >/dev/audio
and tada you have a computer yelling hey I'm over here...
It's a shame to see them go. As much as they get dumped on, it's only out of ignorance. They've been ahead of their time for a looong time. I've worked on many a VAXen and it almost brings a tear to my eye. And no I'm not some ancient developer, I'm 25 and know better then to compare them to a silly PC...
Both DEC and Compaq suck at marketing OpenVMS, VAX, and Alpha... Who the hell is in the marketing dept?
Doesn anyone know if DCL is ported to any of the unices?
I as a Solaris Admin and a BSD fan. I wholeheartedly am gonna be jumping on the Macintosh bandwagon. I love the idea of a creamy outside with the crunchy inards. The GUI's have always sucked in UNIX but have been stable. I have always just used a terminal windows for the most part for a CLI anyway. I think it's a great combo personally and love the immense power of the G4's. I wish I had come up with the idea myself... But anyhow, I plan on supporting it and doing my share of development and porting.
Then you got review sites line http://www.rageunderground.com/ that publicly bash the site they endorse and come up with conspiracy theories and then on the next article on the front page wondering why they haven't gotten a board to review. Kinda odd that a perpetual cycle of swooning to a card company then bashing them for being idiots.
Is that journalistic integrity or just being stupid?
At what point did we lose sight of why the internet is here?
It seems all I ever hear is eCommerce this or eBusiness that. In the article they point out that you may cripple an innocent business. I thought the whole point about the internet was freely distributed information, not a new mdeium for commerce.
If the NRA could somehow migrate the whole principle of gun laws to the internet and defending yourself and your information then we truly would be free. IMHO.
With a x86 your only going to only get about 4 procs per board though. So with a four node cluster you get 16 procs max for the cluster. Higher end Suns can handle 64 procs per system and with 2 or 4 nodes of that... Without getting into the whole pre 2.4 kernel scaling beyond 4 procs per system. Sure, if yah got a rinky-dink operation use those. I'm talking about a REAL cluster, not something out of the closet of your house. I'm talking about if you have the need for a small footprint and still need 100% uptime, then do RISC. Besides, who in their right mind you make a cluster that's so small. Besides who load balances and MPP's such a small cluster?
None the less, I see your point. I just wasn't refering to such a small setup...
I'll tell yah I'm not a fan of the PC at all being a Solaris Admin. The hardware in general sucks and is unreliable.
But in this case I think Google is on the right track. MIPS/$ ratio is definately in the favor of the PC. And with sooo many PC's if one goes down it really wouldn't make a huge difference. If it were just a 2 or 4 node cluster then I would lean towards a RISC based architechture for reliability. But in this case the cost is just to staggering to imagine a Sun cluster for this.
Koodoos to Google, my new search engine of choice! Long live Linux!
There are just to many story elements that are left out of the article to make an intelligent speculation...
It's nota vaccum... It's a specially prepared cesium chamber. Cesium is a liquid at room tempature... It says it's a gas... What exactly is the tempature or density of the chamber?
Hmm, as much as I'm going to get flamed for this I'm gonna say it anyway... It has to be said.
The problem isn't whether VBS should be able to do this in Word or Outlook. It's the end users common sense that comes into question.
This could just as easy have been a perl, java, shell script that emails everyone and copies and deletes stuff. It comes into question what the hell are all these millions of people fscking thinking by blidly clicking on things when they check their mail?
And we want Linux to take over the desktop market? I dunno. Do we really want these same users being on the same platform as us giving me stupid fscking crap that could just as easily be any language...
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I use the computer to get things done as fast as possiable and with the most amount of reliability as possiable. Hence ls, rm, df... This is horriable. I'd never get anything done. What a bunch of bloat. No wonder I only use Linux as a hobby OS and get things done in Solaris or Mac...
I don't see using FreeBSD and KDE being a problem. Who cares, Linux doesn't do anything any of the other wanna be unices don't do. So know we have all these branches of OS' and everyone tries the GUI, OS, etc of the month. Greeeaaat.
Hmm, would be nice if all modules worked that way. I had to add some modules for ip_sec to my firewall this weekend and tried doing it without recompiling everything. Sure enough had to patch the kernel also and recompile and stuff. Kinda sucks on dual 50Mhz Sparc procs.
But I thought Linux would save them in there workstation class machines? LOL, SGI has the coolest products, but the worst business savy.
Be still my heart... UNIX users being required to know 3 vi commands?!?!?!? What is this world coming to!
Espcially by tons of Solaris SysAdmins that crave to be like Linux... Or was that the oth... nevermind.
I thought one of the main points to Gnome was Average Joe user could use it without knowing what was under the hood and actually understand how to use the computer properly from the first time they sat down.
I think it's a great tool for some things. Being a Solaris Admin myself (and pissed off that I do have to support a few bastard child Linux distros) (and a little HP/UX, AIX, and IRIX in the past) get totally frustrated and freaked out when someone wants another version of the same thing but does it slightly different.
POSIX being a joke and why UNIX mostly failed because of the splintering...
IMHO, I think for Linux to truly triumph there needs to be a common thread more then the kernel, being united and with some set standards instead of each distro company running in opposite directions with what they think is best for Linux.
My point was that Linux is almost too open and fragmented, two distros look absolutely nothing alike and by being so diverse you become a jack of all trades and master of none. Just as no one can claim to be a UNIX guru (or they can until you ask of which platform and type) no one will be able to say they are a Linux guru because in a couple more years RedHat's gonna look like HP/UX and Mandrake like AIX.
What's the benefit or why does it matter if Linux fits on a floppy for a firewall? Let's say the environment is grown to 200-300 Linux boxes strong and each one is totally different. How does having a machine that's nothing like the rest help make the admin's job any easier at 2:00am when it goes down? Or what if a new person walks in the door to take over the environment and has to figure out wtf is going on and how each one works, learning curve goes waaay up.
Not trying to start a war, but it's the custimization and optimization that makes it harder to administrate in my opinion. It makes it an elegant hack job of bubble gum and duct tape...
Then you must be a developer, because you definately aren't a Systems Admin...
As a consultant I find myself having to do that all the time when I have rows of rows of strange new equipment I have to find and they aren't labeled or I don't have the time to look around... With a Sun... # snoop > /dev/audio
and tada you have a computer yelling hey I'm over here...
It's a shame to see them go. As much as they get dumped on, it's only out of ignorance. They've been ahead of their time for a looong time. I've worked on many a VAXen and it almost brings a tear to my eye. And no I'm not some ancient developer, I'm 25 and know better then to compare them to a silly PC...
Both DEC and Compaq suck at marketing OpenVMS, VAX, and Alpha... Who the hell is in the marketing dept?
Doesn anyone know if DCL is ported to any of the unices?
But I'm gonna have to stick with my Matrox G400 until anyone else comes up with half as good drivers for Linux...
I as a Solaris Admin and a BSD fan. I wholeheartedly am gonna be jumping on the Macintosh bandwagon. I love the idea of a creamy outside with the crunchy inards. The GUI's have always sucked in UNIX but have been stable. I have always just used a terminal windows for the most part for a CLI anyway. I think it's a great combo personally and love the immense power of the G4's. I wish I had come up with the idea myself... But anyhow, I plan on supporting it and doing my share of development and porting.
Is that journalistic integrity or just being stupid?
It seems all I ever hear is eCommerce this or eBusiness that. In the article they point out that you may cripple an innocent business. I thought the whole point about the internet was freely distributed information, not a new mdeium for commerce.
If the NRA could somehow migrate the whole principle of gun laws to the internet and defending yourself and your information then we truly would be free. IMHO.
Suzzane Vega's 'Tom's Diner' would cause all this trouble?
None the less, I see your point. I just wasn't refering to such a small setup...
But in this case I think Google is on the right track. MIPS/$ ratio is definately in the favor of the PC. And with sooo many PC's if one goes down it really wouldn't make a huge difference. If it were just a 2 or 4 node cluster then I would lean towards a RISC based architechture for reliability. But in this case the cost is just to staggering to imagine a Sun cluster for this.
Koodoos to Google, my new search engine of choice! Long live Linux!
It's nota vaccum... It's a specially prepared cesium chamber. Cesium is a liquid at room tempature... It says it's a gas... What exactly is the tempature or density of the chamber?
And a good reason for end users not to click on joke/cute emails is for the exact reason why we're having this conversation in the first place.
Silly Coward...
The problem isn't whether VBS should be able to do this in Word or Outlook. It's the end users common sense that comes into question.
This could just as easy have been a perl, java, shell script that emails everyone and copies and deletes stuff. It comes into question what the hell are all these millions of people fscking thinking by blidly clicking on things when they check their mail?
And we want Linux to take over the desktop market? I dunno. Do we really want these same users being on the same platform as us giving me stupid fscking crap that could just as easily be any language...