Well, I dunno. Ask the editors at Pen Computing magazine who note, in this month's editorial, that while the Palm platform is rocketing (another source quotes something like a 25% surge in 4Q99 sales above predictions), the CE platform appears to be tanking.
And this referes to stability... how?
I have a Pilot Pro with about a dozen aftermarket apps on it; I use it hourly.
Good for you.
Try _that_ on a CE device. Go ahead.
What? Pulling off the LCD? Or simply have a Casio E-10 running without any lock/crash/whatever since April 1998? (used hourly, thankyouverymuch)
One of these days, the Microsoft apologists will take note that Hotmail _still_ isn't running on NT/IIS... and ask themselves why.
First: Microsoft apologists?! Slashdot posted an old and, by now, incorrect piece of news, religiously showed down our connection simply by the fact that linux is mentioned and without any checking whatsoever! This is bullshitting the readers, not providing news, damnit! The least anybody can do is pointing out the fact that this device ran linux (in early 1999) and since April it's sold running Windows CE. What's to apologize here? It's not my fault if editors around here are not multilingual...
Second (NT/Hotmail): why, oh why you should change a system that works fine? Just for the heck of it? I understand that it would be a great PR stunt, but it looks like Microsoft cares most about the fact that the system is running and providing a reliable service than trying a (never without problems) complete transition to another OS and other hardware (somehow I don't think that the database server under Solaris is running on intel processors...)
Again, and this is a trend I'm noticing more and more around here, people talk just because they have a mouth (or a keyboard, in this case). You obviously have never used a Windows CE device.
One last minor point: Windows CE has not been developed as a palm-sized device OS. Eventually it found a way there, but the PalmOS is probably better suited to the task, given the limited hardware resources on the Palm platform. It works fine, not incredibly snappy, but it does its job. With the introduction of color Palms, we're going to see a HUGE reduction on battery life and speed and a general increase in bulkiness of Palm devices. Guess what? They will start to look like... Windows CE devices!
It's entirely a speculation, but I can't see technological breakthroughs that will allow Palm to be better at the same hardware level than a Casio E-105, for example. And if they use reflective LCDs, they'll have developed a nice paperweight. Reflective LCDs work fine with the Color Gameboy, but put it near a TFT and it simply disappears.
Prisma website has been last updated on June 8th, 1999. The phone is around now.
Probably a first prototype (with the 386 and the 8" screen) was developed in linux by Prisma, and the current product uses Windows CE.
Again, they're targeting this device as an internet appliance; Windows CE has a good browser (not at the level of IE5, but getting slowly there), meanwhile I'm not aware of any embeddable browser for linux. Remember, there are only 8mb of RAM and they're not going to use X.
I'd say that linux has even less opportunities in the internet appliance market than Windows CE, all the internet graphical software (browser, email client) requires X, and X requires gobbles of RAM. Windows CE can run in almost no RAM (well, you probably want some to store the loadable modules:) with all the applications available.
Ok. There was a linux version, with the specs from the LNW article. They don't produce it anymore, mainly for the lack of an embeddable web browser. The CE version was announced in early 1999, and was available by mid 1999.
And I don't think the the lack of an embeddable web browser is proof of "Microsoft's extreme marketing power"...
And in reply to 101001110101 (I think:)
... which doesn't clear it up a whole lot for me. Does Linux really "render invisible" the "dwarf-version CE" on this thing, or what?
The new interface is a loadable UI module that replace the normal CE interface.
Another thing, giving the extreme modularization of the code modules, Windows CE can run in 140kb of ROM, kernel and filesystem only. The fact that the AutoPC, the Palm sized PC and the H/PC have quite different user interfaces should have been noted by now. Whoever talks and balks about something without being informed is not giving a good service to his/her "cause". It only makes him/her look like a moron when the facts are presented.
BTW, the phone has debuted at SMAU 99 (kinda like a little Comdex. Little...) in early october. They were hosted inside the Microsoft stand, along all the other Windows CE devices. Makes one doubt it would run linux at all, eh?
Now, running Babelfish on their press release:
TOUCHPHONE is the new telephone, simple to use that it facilitates the telecommunication services: thanks to a screen touchscreen, of great format and visibility, all the functions come activated touching the display simply. The new TOUCHPHONE will come introduced to Smau ' ' 99 (Milan, 30 September 4 October). Microsoft Stand (pad.22), Wind (pad.15/1 b 37), Ambrosian Bench Veneto / Cariplo (pad.14/1 b12 - c13), Sources (pad.15/1 b 36). The TOUCHPHONE is an intelligent telephone, an immediate access to Internet, an agenda electronic, one telephone secretariat, an electronic mail manager; the synthesis of worst electronic expressed in an intelligent product for one simple, fast communication and without limits. Thanks to the versatilità of its technology and to the operating system Microsoft Windows CE, the Touchphone makes available with partners of primary relief, new functions and new services for its customers.
I understand that not many slashdot readers can read italian, but ARE YOU GETTING STUPID BY THE HOUR?
The phone runs on a 486 (not 386), has a 10.4" VGA display and the OS is...
Windows CE!
No mention of Linux is on the website. Absolutely. Now, either linuxnews is victim of a nice christmas hoax, or they made up the article without checking anything at all.
And of course, slashdot is here to report all the facts, yeah right.
What's next? The uneducated masses have no real right to live, anyway?
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Honestly I don't care who writes this stuff. The article has no real point and if I wrote it, for example, surely it would not have made a Slashdot headline.
Anyways, more ego-worshipping...
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Yes. He can be a good programmer, but this does not give him any sort of "sacred" aura to talk about everything and everyone without the option of being criticized.
But I wasn't expecting anything different here... it seems like all the "community" feeling sinks quite hardly against the super-ego mentality all too common in the linux world. (I know, Tom is not directly related to linux, so let's say unix, ok?)
Why?
Why want to be a productive part of community and then fall in the trap of ego-adoration? Soon everybody will walk around branding the Little Red (or whatever color) Book Of The Mighty Cabal (ESR et al)...
I really don't understand this. There's the opportunity to speak your voice freely and what you (nothing personal, I'm talking in general) do is just following the Cabal around, whatever they say?
Can somebody explain me this?
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I am sorry, but Tom just throw his respectability out of the window.
Why don't you sue your IT department? Oh! Are you afraid to lose your job? What a pity...
Grow up and get real. There are no lines to be drawn. It's a computer. It's a program. If using a computer program causes you emotional problems, my suggestion is a psychiatrist, not a lawyer.
Does this require comments? It is so hard no to qualify that as a typical Linux user answer...
But I agree, Slashdot used to be MUCH more interesting months ago. Now I read it just for the occasional funny comment. Not a good sign for a "News" site...
His products sell, over 90% of computer owners are his customers, and Microsoft's stock has travelled from $10 to over $170 (before the split).
So why people is 'scared' by him?
Steve Jobs is a great packager and salesman. And he don't claim anything else, beside some jihad overtones... keep in mind that most of the technical work on the earlier Apple machines and the Mac was done by Woz, not Steve.
I just said that basically Microsoft (dressed as Borland) released a development environment on Linux for free and this is the answer I receive? Where I am? Am I really on Slashdot?
Keep in mind this: corporations are not out there for the good of the masses. They've never been, they never will.
First, nowhere on the article is stated that Delphi/Cbuilder will be free or even open sourced. It could have the funniest licensing in the world and you can do squat.
Second, as Sun (StarOffice/StarPortal), they could release the thing and then pull it off. Leaving the potential programmers out on a limb.
And you don't care?
Well, *I* don't care, cause I'm not a religious follower of this or that OS/philosophy, but if you are, then you really should care...
Do I remember wrong, or just a couple of weeks ago Microsoft invested pretty heavily in Inprise and everybody on Slashdot was up in arms?
And the same folks started to shout that this would mean the end of the planned Delphi port to Linux?
I'm really starting to wonder about the average attention span around here. There's an article about IBM putting an ID chip on their MB and everyone attacks IBM (as a whole, not only on this) while yesterday IBM was hailed as the new champion of open source?
Slashdot Mirror
Score 2?!
May I ask why?
Well, I dunno. Ask the editors at Pen Computing magazine who note, in this month's editorial, that while the Palm platform is rocketing (another source quotes something like a 25% surge in 4Q99 sales above predictions), the CE platform appears to be tanking.
And this referes to stability... how?
I have a Pilot Pro with about a dozen aftermarket apps on it; I use it hourly.
Good for you.
Try _that_ on a CE device. Go ahead.
What? Pulling off the LCD? Or simply have a Casio E-10 running without any lock/crash/whatever since April 1998? (used hourly, thankyouverymuch)
One of these days, the Microsoft apologists will take note that Hotmail _still_ isn't running on NT/IIS... and ask themselves why.
First: Microsoft apologists?! Slashdot posted an old and, by now, incorrect piece of news, religiously showed down our connection simply by the fact that linux is mentioned and without any checking whatsoever! This is bullshitting the readers, not providing news, damnit! The least anybody can do is pointing out the fact that this device ran linux (in early 1999) and since April it's sold running Windows CE. What's to apologize here? It's not my fault if editors around here are not multilingual...
Second (NT/Hotmail): why, oh why you should change a system that works fine? Just for the heck of it? I understand that it would be a great PR stunt, but it looks like Microsoft cares most about the fact that the system is running and providing a reliable service than trying a (never without problems) complete transition to another OS and other hardware (somehow I don't think that the database server under Solaris is running on intel processors...)
Again, and this is a trend I'm noticing more and more around here, people talk just because they have a mouth (or a keyboard, in this case). You obviously have never used a Windows CE device.
One last minor point: Windows CE has not been developed as a palm-sized device OS. Eventually it found a way there, but the PalmOS is probably better suited to the task, given the limited hardware resources on the Palm platform. It works fine, not incredibly snappy, but it does its job. With the introduction of color Palms, we're going to see a HUGE reduction on battery life and speed and a general increase in bulkiness of Palm devices. Guess what? They will start to look like... Windows CE devices!
It's entirely a speculation, but I can't see technological breakthroughs that will allow Palm to be better at the same hardware level than a Casio E-105, for example. And if they use reflective LCDs, they'll have developed a nice paperweight. Reflective LCDs work fine with the Color Gameboy, but put it near a TFT and it simply disappears.
Well, I'm italian too.
:)
The babelfish thing was for the general population around here...
No. Maybe it ran linux, but not on this product.
Licences? For Windows CE? Why? You get one along with the hardware, what's your problem?
Prisma website has been last updated on June 8th, 1999. The phone is around now.
:) with all the applications available.
Probably a first prototype (with the 386 and the 8" screen) was developed in linux by Prisma, and the current product uses Windows CE.
Again, they're targeting this device as an internet appliance; Windows CE has a good browser (not at the level of IE5, but getting slowly there), meanwhile I'm not aware of any embeddable browser for linux. Remember, there are only 8mb of RAM and they're not going to use X.
I'd say that linux has even less opportunities in the internet appliance market than Windows CE, all the internet graphical software (browser, email client) requires X, and X requires gobbles of RAM. Windows CE can run in almost no RAM (well, you probably want some to store the loadable modules
Ahahahahaah!
Ok. There was a linux version, with the specs from the LNW article. They don't produce it anymore, mainly for the lack of an embeddable web browser. The CE version was announced in early 1999, and was available by mid 1999.
:)
... which doesn't clear it up a whole lot for me. Does Linux really "render invisible" the "dwarf-version CE" on this thing, or what?
And I don't think the the lack of an embeddable web browser is proof of "Microsoft's extreme marketing power"...
And in reply to 101001110101 (I think
The new interface is a loadable UI module that replace the normal CE interface.
Another thing, giving the extreme modularization of the code modules, Windows CE can run in 140kb of ROM, kernel and filesystem only. The fact that the AutoPC, the Palm sized PC and the H/PC have quite different user interfaces should have been noted by now. Whoever talks and balks about something without being informed is not giving a good service to his/her "cause". It only makes him/her look like a moron when the facts are presented.
Yeah, rewriting history is commonplace around here....
BTW, the phone has debuted at SMAU 99 (kinda like a little Comdex. Little...) in early october. They were hosted inside the Microsoft stand, along all the other Windows CE devices. Makes one doubt it would run linux at all, eh?
Now, running Babelfish on their press release:
TOUCHPHONE is the new telephone, simple to use that it facilitates the telecommunication services: thanks to a screen touchscreen, of great format and visibility, all the functions come activated touching the display simply. The new TOUCHPHONE will come introduced to Smau ' ' 99 (Milan, 30 September 4 October). Microsoft Stand (pad.22), Wind (pad.15/1 b 37), Ambrosian Bench Veneto / Cariplo (pad.14/1 b12 - c13), Sources (pad.15/1 b 36). The TOUCHPHONE is an intelligent telephone, an immediate access to Internet, an agenda electronic, one telephone secretariat, an electronic mail manager; the synthesis of worst electronic expressed in an intelligent product for one simple, fast communication and without limits. Thanks to the versatilità of its technology and to the operating system Microsoft Windows CE, the Touchphone makes available with partners of primary relief, new functions and new services for its customers.
I understand that not many slashdot readers can read italian, but ARE YOU GETTING STUPID BY THE HOUR?
The phone runs on a 486 (not 386), has a 10.4" VGA display and the OS is...
Windows CE!
No mention of Linux is on the website. Absolutely. Now, either linuxnews is victim of a nice christmas hoax, or they made up the article without checking anything at all.
And of course, slashdot is here to report all the facts, yeah right.
Ahahahahah!
Cool. Nazis in the US. Nice place.
What's next? The uneducated masses have no real right to live, anyway?
Honestly I don't care who writes this stuff. The article has no real point and if I wrote it, for example, surely it would not have made a Slashdot headline.
Anyways, more ego-worshipping...
Yes. He can be a good programmer, but this does not give him any sort of "sacred" aura to talk about everything and everyone without the option of being criticized.
But I wasn't expecting anything different here... it seems like all the "community" feeling sinks quite hardly against the super-ego mentality all too common in the linux world. (I know, Tom is not directly related to linux, so let's say unix, ok?)
Why?
Why want to be a productive part of community and then fall in the trap of ego-adoration? Soon everybody will walk around branding the Little Red (or whatever color) Book Of The Mighty Cabal (ESR et al)...
I really don't understand this. There's the opportunity to speak your voice freely and what you (nothing personal, I'm talking in general) do is just following the Cabal around, whatever they say?
Can somebody explain me this?
I am sorry, but Tom just throw his respectability out of the window.
What an idiot.
Why don't you sue your IT department? Oh! Are you afraid to lose your job? What a pity...
Grow up and get real. There are no lines to be drawn. It's a computer. It's a program. If using a computer program causes you emotional problems, my suggestion is a psychiatrist, not a lawyer.
Fuck you bitch.
Does this require comments? It is so hard no to qualify that as a typical Linux user answer...
But I agree, Slashdot used to be MUCH more interesting months ago. Now I read it just for the occasional funny comment. Not a good sign for a "News" site...
Well, look at his old chap, BillG:
His products sell, over 90% of computer owners are his customers, and Microsoft's stock has travelled from $10 to over $170 (before the split).
So why people is 'scared' by him?
Steve Jobs is a great packager and salesman. And he don't claim anything else, beside some jihad overtones... keep in mind that most of the technical work on the earlier Apple machines and the Mac was done by Woz, not Steve.
Uhm, clearly you don't know the meaning of Real Time in this context (OS), or you would have avoided to post.
Uh... no.
The Pentium Pro IS a x86 processor...
I'm sorry, but that sounds exactly like vaporware...
How do achieve emulation speed faster than native speed? (of course clock speed being equal)
Who care's. We don't need this crap anyway.
What, what?
I just said that basically Microsoft (dressed as Borland) released a development environment on Linux for free and this is the answer I receive? Where I am? Am I really on Slashdot?
Keep in mind this: corporations are not out there for the good of the masses. They've never been, they never will.
First, nowhere on the article is stated that Delphi/Cbuilder will be free or even open sourced. It could have the funniest licensing in the world and you can do squat.
Second, as Sun (StarOffice/StarPortal), they could release the thing and then pull it off. Leaving the potential programmers out on a limb.
And you don't care?
Well, *I* don't care, cause I'm not a religious follower of this or that OS/philosophy, but if you are, then you really should care...
MS doesn't control them
:)
This is so naive...
They have them by the balls!
So now Inprise is the Good Guy(tm) and everyone is happy and the World Domination(tm) is going on as planned, right?
Right?
Or maybe someone wanted to test the waters in the Linux world with an advanced development environment... maybe there's some money to be made there...
Do I remember wrong, or just a couple of weeks ago Microsoft invested pretty heavily in Inprise and everybody on Slashdot was up in arms?
And the same folks started to shout that this would mean the end of the planned Delphi port to Linux?
I'm really starting to wonder about the average attention span around here. There's an article about IBM putting an ID chip on their MB and everyone attacks IBM (as a whole, not only on this) while yesterday IBM was hailed as the new champion of open source?
Can somebody explain me?