On TV, they have terrorists and they're all saying "Praise Allah! Praise Allah!" I think they're crazy. They all wear sheets and they all are Arabian. Crazy arabians. Boy, I hope I never meet an Arabian. They're all terrorists.
No, those adorible catholics in N. Ireland aren't terrorists. Nope. They're white, just like me. Catholics can't be terrorists. Only those scary Muslims, like Ghandi. So WEIRD!
"Anyone here at Slashdot ever met a real live terrorist?"
That's irrelevent, our idea of terrorists are those that are different than us, and the media doesn't help.
So, I don't disagree with you, but I don't think it's the government that wants the info about you. They can already get it, if they want.
I have an ad that was used for a "sexuality in advertising" presentation, it's got that dancer, back to the camera sitting, palm pilot in her hands (which are on the floor by her butt) covering her crack, and underneath it says:
Simply Palm.
It's really a pretty picture, if it wasn't such a piece of corperate art . . . get rid of the palm, put something else there, ya know.
PDF represents a reasonably good approximation of the "printed" version of a document. I used to HATE PDFs, but I've grown appreciative after working with them cross-platform while creating something like an on-line resume (for those who prefer printing the things out), and a journal with, uhh, shall I say, unique formatting needs.
However, I needed a zip disk to carry them all around. Floppys wouldn't hold them. Even the MS word transcript of the text and the jpegs (high quality black and quite) fit on a floppy.
"It makes as much sense as true papers written by post-modernists...."
It's not just a breakfast cerial, it's an interpretive paradigm.
As for the generator, it's far too short, most post-modern works are tortuously long. See David Foster Wallace. I mean, jeez, how many e.g.'s can you have in one piece, and footnotes [1]. It's just gotta end sometime.
[1] I don't want to hurt any footnote's feelings, but I think that footnotes, while they can be interesting, often result in a method of reading that forces the reader to jump
Well, it would be easier to write political speeches.
I dunno, though, if there was one created, and set on "repeat" or whatever, it could conceivably write every haiku possible . . . and then sonnets, oh no, all the form poetry is DOOMED!
Hehe, can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of haiku generators, maybe to the extent of a epic poem generator, and maybe they can rewrite Beowulf.
Long live free verse, maybe. The computer has no soul, maybe.
Uhh, ever hear of USB? It works just fine for that, and look, ooh, I can use my USB Zip on my PC and my Mac, but not my Linux machine. I know, they're working on it.
People often ask me why I buy macs and PC's and run every OS I can. The answer is so I can keep learning all sorts of interesting things. And besides, I'm getting to like the Mac even more. You can back up with a USB tape drive, if they exist (I'm sure they do.) Or, perhaps, a program like Ghost (hard drive images), onto a LAN.
I'm still disappointed at the academics and/or administration at Harvard bowing to any pressure, that separation from the "real world" is a key part of academia. That said, an iMac kiosk, if the Intel marketers had any intelligence whatsoever, they could say something like, "Use your Mac for browsing, but use the new Intel Sextium chip for QUAKE 3!!!"
No, that was me, I removed them. I thought they kinda needed a BLINK tag. I agree with you, mostly, but . . .
I don't think we're going to have the same sense of moral, religious, etc., rightousness. It's pretty well known to most people, I hope, that a great many injutices were caused in the name of Civilization. I hope that knowledge is enough to make us learn from our mistakes. Just because the _________ (ex. White Europeans)didn't see the _______ (ex. Native Americans) or whoever as fully sentient doesn't mean we will. That old TV show Alien Nation, while I don't remember details of it (I was such a small child), I do remember that there was a lot of hostility to the aliens, but I hope that will change.
Not to say, of course, that ___ism doesn't exist. It's numbers are dwindling, though.
What are you going to do? Send out the DOGS! Huh? Or the BEES!? Or the DOGS who BARK and SHOOT BEES AT YOU! That's how BEE's fly, damnit, that's how BEE'S FLY! THE DOGS!
Oh no!
(If you don't get it, you've missed and episode of the Simpsons.)
"If there is sentient life on Mars and we kill it off trying to terraform/colonize Mars, we'll probably end up feeling as bad as we did four hundred years ago when we killed off indigenous populations with smallpox, influenza and VD."
In other words, not at all?
Anyway . .
I do think this is the next step, though. There is no right and wrong. This is uncharted territory, and unlike selling organs or patenting human chromosome patterns, this one probably has no potential victim.
I think we should get started right away, honestly though. The universe is out there, the whole thing, and it's all there for anyone who wants to go.
It's not like there isn't enough room out there. Now, on Earth . . .
I think slashing and burning once we can leave any given planet should be avoided, of course.
This question might seem obvious, but what, exactly, do they want to do?
I mean, most kids want to program video games, hell, most adults do, but that is where you might want to begin. Video games are written mostly in C, I think, I'm not really a programmer,though I do have experience. Anything that leads to the C route would be good, for OS work or Video Games. PASCAL might be a good step.
I would, for simple cost reasons, make their machine(s) dual-boot to Win/Linux/(Be?). Even the free versiona of BeOS comes with it's own developing kit (C++). The reasons I have for dual-booting are: cost, ability to work up.
Anyway, I'm not really sure where to begin, but you should ask them where they might want to end up.
Or something like that. Not for kids, but on this site(under the people section) is a guy called ManWoman who's trying to purify the swastika. Very strange . . . It's got a little history of the thing there, and this guy's (ManWoman) problems that he's gotten for, well, being tattooed all over with these things, of various positions, directions, and so on . . .
Well, depending on the method, you could possibly throw this quite far. It's 8.5 cm * 5.4 CM body will allow a nice frisby throw, if you try with a nice snap of the wrist, you could throw this 100 feet or even more.
You're not going to get very far with a baseball throw, however.
-/Attempt at humor-
Given the rash of "Important Briefcases & Laptops" stolen lately, I think giving the hardware to work around such systems to the NGA (Nameless Government Agency) would be a bad idea.
An interface is not specifically graphical or textual. Now, a GUI is an interface that strives to eliminate the textual interface.
Which is, what I'm sure you meant to say.
I like GUI's better, because they're easier to learn for me. I can "find" a windows or mac setting quite easily, now a linux command line interface is something a little different, which I don't care for as much to deal with on a personal basis. I picked up MacOS relatively quickly, but I'm still struggling with Linux (though I started that earlier.)
But again, I don't see a reason why a server needs a graphical subsystem like windows. It's just another wall against stablity. Maybe setting the settings in the GUI and then going to a command prompt, which you can do everything at.
Choice is a key thing. I don't WANT to run the command shell if I don't have to.
"Well, that's fine, but Microsoft should either admit that their software isn't suitable for the average joe, or take blame for this scenario."
Nothing is made for the average joe, but you can't alienate the market. Take cars, for example, yeah, most people would love a (insert your favorite sports car here), but what happens if the average joe gets one of those.
He has to many ka-beers one night-- He wraps hisself around a telephone pole.
"Anything else is just flat-out hypocritical."
No, it's not. You're forgetting that Joe Average doesn't exist. He has an IQ of 90, and so forth. Most people have an IQ equal to the number of strings on my 7 string guitar when it comes to computers.
The best way to learn about something is to mess it up and fix it. I'm willing to bet that all of us here have screwed up our systems royally, no matter what OS we use, enough to require a reinstall.
If you haven't, then you haven't played with it enough, and you don't know what NOT to do.
I repeat, again, some moron double clicking on an e-mail attachment he got from his Aunt Betsy is neither Microsoft's problem nor Microsoft's business. It's an executable file. It doesn't work it's way through the Preview window.
Of course, the merits of a Unix-like permissions security system should be examined and possibly (IMO) added into NT. We're always learning, whether we're kernal hackers or Microsoft employees. It's the only thing that keeps us from animals. (Though some people make me wonder.)
"Again, you CANNOT write an executable that will automatically be executed by the users of pine, mutt, and elm. "
And it doesn't automagically execute in Outlook either. The user still must open the attachment. If you're thinking differently, you're wrong about this specific incident.
Though I do know how you could make it do so autmoatically (HTML, vbscript[activeX] is evil in e-mail), and this error is one that I do blame on MS.
For an example, visit the 2600 hacked sites archive. I've seen one run a VBscript that screwed up somone's windows (i am unaware how), and another seperate one that altered someone's AUTOEXEC.bat file to format his hard drive.
I don't think UNIX is harder than windows. I simply don't like it.:-)
I learned on a DOS machine, went to windows, OS/2, then 95, 98, NT, and I have macs, and I have a box with just GNU/Linux, and another with BeOS (pro edition), no, sir, as a totally personal aesthetic opinion, I don't like Unix to do anything more than sit there.
Which it does. And it does those jobs assigned to it perfectly well. And my windows machine works fine doing what it does. My mac and BeOS as well. While this machine (win98se) may BSOD, it's only done it once in the past month, and that's because I didn't look at a CD. (It was cracked, my roommates linux box didn't work as well.)
Take my "preference" (that I have none beyond the specialization that software should have) as you will. Don't put words in my mouth, though. I never said Unix was hard, at least in this post.:-)
The average joe wasn't part of the scenario. We're talking about employees using e-mail. There must be good training on-site for these contingencies. Or even a memo. "Don't open this attachment on your e-mail."
I'm all for people getting on the 'net, but they should take responsiblity for what they do, and that includes running files.
I blame the user because many users got the mail and did NOT click on it. It's really simple. The users action caused something bad to happen. I acknowlege (if you read the entire post and not just a few lines) that Microsoft should have improved security and so on.
Stupidity isn't monopolized inside Redmond. I blame those on all levels. But the files attached to private e-mails are no business of MS.
If I place the blame on someone other than MS, that makes me simply an MS supporter, then I'll just return the iBook I'm posting this from . . . I do think for more than.5 of a second when I post.
Slashdot Mirror
You should have tried a screwdriver.
(From the man who opened his iBook the other day)
"Have you ever personally seen a terrorist?"
On TV, they have terrorists and they're all saying "Praise Allah! Praise Allah!" I think they're crazy. They all wear sheets and they all are Arabian. Crazy arabians. Boy, I hope I never meet an Arabian. They're all terrorists.
No, those adorible catholics in N. Ireland aren't terrorists. Nope. They're white, just like me. Catholics can't be terrorists. Only those scary Muslims, like Ghandi. So WEIRD!
"Anyone here at Slashdot ever met a real live terrorist?"
That's irrelevent, our idea of terrorists are those that are different than us, and the media doesn't help.
So, I don't disagree with you, but I don't think it's the government that wants the info about you. They can already get it, if they want.
Well, look at it this way. Nerds will eventually have their own car:
The Dodge Delta Delta Delta.
If I remember correctly, it's:
k enneth.html has got some more info on it.
The title of an REM song (from their album Monster).
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3142/
later
I have an ad that was used for a "sexuality in advertising" presentation, it's got that dancer, back to the camera sitting, palm pilot in her hands (which are on the floor by her butt) covering her crack, and underneath it says:
Simply Palm.
It's really a pretty picture, if it wasn't such a piece of corperate art . . . get rid of the palm, put something else there, ya know.
Anywho, it's a nekkid chick.
later
PDF represents a reasonably good approximation of the "printed" version of a document. I used to HATE PDFs, but I've grown appreciative after working with them cross-platform while creating something like an on-line resume (for those who prefer printing the things out), and a journal with, uhh, shall I say, unique formatting needs.
However, I needed a zip disk to carry them all around. Floppys wouldn't hold them. Even the MS word transcript of the text and the jpegs (high quality black and quite) fit on a floppy.
Later
"It makes as much sense as true papers written by post-modernists...."
It's not just a breakfast cerial, it's an interpretive paradigm.
As for the generator, it's far too short, most post-modern works are tortuously long. See David Foster Wallace. I mean, jeez, how many e.g.'s can you have in one piece, and footnotes [1]. It's just gotta end sometime.
[1] I don't want to hurt any footnote's feelings, but I think that footnotes, while they can be interesting, often result in a method of reading that forces the reader to jump
from one place
to another.
Well, it would be easier to write political speeches.
I dunno, though, if there was one created, and set on "repeat" or whatever, it could conceivably write every haiku possible . . . and then sonnets, oh no, all the form poetry is DOOMED!
Hehe, can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of haiku generators, maybe to the extent of a epic poem generator, and maybe they can rewrite Beowulf.
Long live free verse, maybe. The computer has no soul, maybe.
Later
Uhh, ever hear of USB? It works just fine for that, and look, ooh, I can use my USB Zip on my PC and my Mac, but not my Linux machine. I know, they're working on it.
People often ask me why I buy macs and PC's and run every OS I can. The answer is so I can keep learning all sorts of interesting things. And besides, I'm getting to like the Mac even more. You can back up with a USB tape drive, if they exist (I'm sure they do.) Or, perhaps, a program like Ghost (hard drive images), onto a LAN.
I'm still disappointed at the academics and/or administration at Harvard bowing to any pressure, that separation from the "real world" is a key part of academia. That said, an iMac kiosk, if the Intel marketers had any intelligence whatsoever, they could say something like, "Use your Mac for browsing, but use the new Intel Sextium chip for QUAKE 3!!!"
Anyway.
later
Well, it didn't make any money to support Scientology, it did lose money right?
We get to see John Travolta's last movie.
You get to stand in line and watch the faces of those coming out of the theatre.
Wondering why his karma dropped about 10 points overnight, without any of his posts being moderated:
"Slashdot always seems to remove my irony tags.."
No, that was me, I removed them. I thought they kinda needed a BLINK tag. I agree with you, mostly, but . . .
I don't think we're going to have the same sense of moral, religious, etc., rightousness. It's pretty well known to most people, I hope, that a great many injutices were caused in the name of Civilization. I hope that knowledge is enough to make us learn from our mistakes. Just because the _________ (ex. White Europeans)didn't see the _______ (ex. Native Americans) or whoever as fully sentient doesn't mean we will. That old TV show Alien Nation, while I don't remember details of it (I was such a small child), I do remember that there was a lot of hostility to the aliens, but I hope that will change.
Not to say, of course, that ___ism doesn't exist. It's numbers are dwindling, though.
NO! It's the dogs! The dogs!
What are you going to do? Send out the DOGS! Huh? Or the BEES!? Or the DOGS who BARK and SHOOT BEES AT YOU! That's how BEE's fly, damnit, that's how BEE'S FLY! THE DOGS!
Oh no!
(If you don't get it, you've missed and episode of the Simpsons.)
"If there is sentient life on Mars and we kill it off trying to terraform/colonize Mars, we'll probably end up feeling as bad as we did four hundred years ago when we killed off indigenous populations with smallpox, influenza and VD."
In other words, not at all?
Anyway . .
I do think this is the next step, though. There is no right and wrong. This is uncharted territory, and unlike selling organs or patenting human chromosome patterns, this one probably has no potential victim.
I think we should get started right away, honestly though. The universe is out there, the whole thing, and it's all there for anyone who wants to go.
It's not like there isn't enough room out there. Now, on Earth . . .
I think slashing and burning once we can leave any given planet should be avoided, of course.
This question might seem obvious, but what, exactly, do they want to do?
I mean, most kids want to program video games, hell, most adults do, but that is where you might want to begin. Video games are written mostly in C, I think, I'm not really a programmer,though I do have experience. Anything that leads to the C route would be good, for OS work or Video Games. PASCAL might be a good step.
I would, for simple cost reasons, make their machine(s) dual-boot to Win/Linux/(Be?). Even the free versiona of BeOS comes with it's own developing kit (C++). The reasons I have for dual-booting are: cost, ability to work up.
Anyway, I'm not really sure where to begin, but you should ask them where they might want to end up.
Thanks for your time
" It is thrice (does this word exist?)"
Yes, not only did you use it, many others have. It isn't in real common usage, but it isn't exactly rare either.
Sorry for the OT post
http://www.bme.com
Or something like that. Not for kids, but on this site(under the people section) is a guy called ManWoman who's trying to purify the swastika. Very strange . . . It's got a little history of the thing there, and this guy's (ManWoman) problems that he's gotten for, well, being tattooed all over with these things, of various positions, directions, and so on . . .
Later
dan
-attempt at humor-
Well, depending on the method, you could possibly throw this quite far. It's 8.5 cm * 5.4 CM body will allow a nice frisby throw, if you try with a nice snap of the wrist, you could throw this 100 feet or even more.
You're not going to get very far with a baseball throw, however.
-/Attempt at humor-
Given the rash of "Important Briefcases & Laptops" stolen lately, I think giving the hardware to work around such systems to the NGA (Nameless Government Agency) would be a bad idea.
Very bad.
An interface is not specifically graphical or textual. Now, a GUI is an interface that strives to eliminate the textual interface.
Which is, what I'm sure you meant to say.
I like GUI's better, because they're easier to learn for me. I can "find" a windows or mac setting quite easily, now a linux command line interface is something a little different, which I don't care for as much to deal with on a personal basis. I picked up MacOS relatively quickly, but I'm still struggling with Linux (though I started that earlier.)
But again, I don't see a reason why a server needs a graphical subsystem like windows. It's just another wall against stablity. Maybe setting the settings in the GUI and then going to a command prompt, which you can do everything at.
Choice is a key thing. I don't WANT to run the command shell if I don't have to.
Later
Where in his post do you see "windows user?" Goddamn morons, what the hell are they doing here, anyway?
"Well, that's fine, but Microsoft should either admit that their software isn't suitable for the average joe, or take blame for this scenario."
Nothing is made for the average joe, but you can't alienate the market. Take cars, for example, yeah, most people would love a (insert your favorite sports car here), but what happens if the average joe gets one of those.
He has to many ka-beers one night--
He wraps hisself around a telephone pole.
"Anything else is just flat-out hypocritical."
No, it's not. You're forgetting that Joe Average doesn't exist. He has an IQ of 90, and so forth. Most people have an IQ equal to the number of strings on my 7 string guitar when it comes to computers.
The best way to learn about something is to mess it up and fix it. I'm willing to bet that all of us here have screwed up our systems royally, no matter what OS we use, enough to require a reinstall.
If you haven't, then you haven't played with it enough, and you don't know what NOT to do.
I repeat, again, some moron double clicking on an e-mail attachment he got from his Aunt Betsy is neither Microsoft's problem nor Microsoft's business. It's an executable file. It doesn't work it's way through the Preview window.
Of course, the merits of a Unix-like permissions security system should be examined and possibly (IMO) added into NT. We're always learning, whether we're kernal hackers or Microsoft employees. It's the only thing that keeps us from animals. (Though some people make me wonder.)
"Again, you CANNOT write an executable that will automatically be executed by the users of pine, mutt, and elm. "
And it doesn't automagically execute in Outlook either. The user still must open the attachment. If you're thinking differently, you're wrong about this specific incident.
Though I do know how you could make it do so autmoatically (HTML, vbscript[activeX] is evil in e-mail), and this error is one that I do blame on MS.
For an example, visit the 2600 hacked sites archive. I've seen one run a VBscript that screwed up somone's windows (i am unaware how), and another seperate one that altered someone's AUTOEXEC.bat file to format his hard drive.
I don't think UNIX is harder than windows. I simply don't like it. :-)
:-)
I learned on a DOS machine, went to windows, OS/2, then 95, 98, NT, and I have macs, and I have a box with just GNU/Linux, and another with BeOS (pro edition), no, sir, as a totally personal aesthetic opinion, I don't like Unix to do anything more than sit there.
Which it does. And it does those jobs assigned to it perfectly well. And my windows machine works fine doing what it does. My mac and BeOS as well. While this machine (win98se) may BSOD, it's only done it once in the past month, and that's because I didn't look at a CD. (It was cracked, my roommates linux box didn't work as well.)
Take my "preference" (that I have none beyond the specialization that software should have) as you will. Don't put words in my mouth, though. I never said Unix was hard, at least in this post.
Thanks for your time.
The average joe wasn't part of the scenario. We're talking about employees using e-mail. There must be good training on-site for these contingencies. Or even a memo. "Don't open this attachment on your e-mail."
I'm all for people getting on the 'net, but they should take responsiblity for what they do, and that includes running files.
Education is key.
Who is in charge of training? You have your answer.
Accountability starts and stops on site for issues like this.
I blame the user because many users got the mail and did NOT click on it. It's really simple. The users action caused something bad to happen. I acknowlege (if you read the entire post and not just a few lines) that Microsoft should have improved security and so on.
.5 of a second when I post.
Stupidity isn't monopolized inside Redmond. I blame those on all levels. But the files attached to private e-mails are no business of MS.
If I place the blame on someone other than MS, that makes me simply an MS supporter, then I'll just return the iBook I'm posting this from . . . I do think for more than