Well, they never used the Dresen fab for the K6s, from what I understand. It's a newer plant, so giving them much more production. Also, the reason for partnering with Motorola would/will help them in their financial troubles, so it's a win-win situation for AMD (and possibily, Motorola). And as for the offer, do you think 1 billion dollars is a good enough offer?
I've heard stories that AMD has actually been looking for a 'partner' for that fab for quite some time. It appears everyone has turned them down, unfortunatly. Anyone have any idea who they contacted/asked before? I'd imagine almost everyone but intel was contacted or thought about. Anyway, if anyone knows, speak.. =]
Hate to break it to you, but the price war started some time ago.. =] http://www.sharkyextreme.com does a CPU Price Guide everyweek showing the trends on the mainstream (x86) CPU pricing, and a little info about them. The price war started about the same time the Athlon was announced. P2/3 prices dropped like a rock, etc..More vapor about the Coppermine and so on. It's all fun and exciting..Phht..
I'm not too sure what you mean by that title, but it sounds like you mean AMD will be stamped on the G4. From articles I've read last week seem to indicate that Motorola would buy about 1 billian dollars worth of the fab (I believe it was 50% or close) and they would be produced along-side each other, but still with their respective names. But I do agree, this can only be good. AMD get's help out of their slump, as does the G4 (Will the G5 be made there?). I do hope the best for both companies, and AMD has always been one of my favorites (Mainly because I don't play games:). I agree, good idea, and good luck. I just hope it goes through.
That had to be one of those most worthless article I've ever read on DSL vs. Cable. I'm sorry, but I was expecting more. Maybe something about the latency, or an average pool-size for cable subscribers. Nothing, the first 3 pages seemed like an add for the guy's cable provider. Pointless, I didn't pick up a bit of information out of that. At least the guy could of done was get some more pricing on the two services. For one, I work at an ISP and we offer ADSL for pretty low rates. (768k down/128kup for 17$) and GTE doesn't charge too much for monthly (32.50 for above mentioned). So I guess, in the end, I expected more information from that 4 pages then the writer was ready to offer. Oh well, maybe next time.
And mayhaps being able to bring the network up and down (Among other daemons) without the need to reboot. I think it's much more simple to shutdown a service, replace a config file, and start it back up in 10 seconds then it is to replace the config, and take 2-3 minutes to reboot. I only imagine that would be more critical in larger and larger user environments. A *huge* plus to MS's OSs would be that ability that *nix has long shared.
There's always the chance that if/when this does happen in universities, you'll have those psycho enthusiasts(sp) tearing down those NT servers left and right just to tick people off. I'm not saying it's the okay thing to do, but you know it will more then likely happen. I'd be suprised to see if the servers were left alone.
Another thought. Will MS people be setting up/configuring the servers? Doubtfully. So they will have to pay the people to redo them. And a total overhall of many of the servers would seem to me, to cost more money then it's worth. How much would licensing cost for a university to do that? Why not stay with what they have, and keep the reliability and familiarity(sp) that they have? Who knows. Any thoughts?
I actually heard one time if an ISP doesn't/refuses to stop illegal activity coming from their ISP, there are 'higher-ups' who you can contact (More then likely their provider of the line) who can give them an ultimadum(sp) to either take action or loose their lines. I think this can also be done through a gov office of one type or another. Sorry I don't have any names, but it's another thing to think about.
Well, I meant that it was a kicker that the computer was operational... =] (ahh, things were made so much more reliably(sp) back then..*sigh*) I still want to know what programs he used, and how big they were...Bet there was no 'advanced features' section.
What kind of drives does this thing have? Those 9 inch super-floppy disks? Or maybe a tape drive? Anyone want to enligten me on this one? =] I wonder what kind of programs are on there, and how long they took to boot. What about the size? Anyone know how big and how much this product weighs? I'm sure they didn't have even MFM/RLL drives back then, so I don't suppose it had any form of a hard drive?
Yeah the real kicker is, the guy was still *using* the computer to write wills and whatnot. Now he gets $15,000 in a new server, desktop (I believe) and a laptop. Maybe more stufff, can't remember. Pretty nice..
I actually ran 2 i740 boards on my two computers, and they ran sweet, and still do.
On the other hand, what is going on with the new Intel graphics chip they just brought out not too long ago? Are they ditching that too, including support?
That maybe true, but the fact still remains, there is no one to sue. =] I'm almost thinking, in a situation-critical, I'd want to see something like a piece of software, open-sourced, sure, but owned by a company who supports it. Therefor that company still makes money off support, has the community to find flaws, has the businesses to get it free, and can get kicked in the butt when something goes wrong. =]
Am I a crack-baby, or did the link to see the paper written up by the gentleman didn't work? In any case, if someone did get to see it, or it's just down for a short count, can ye let me know what it said? heh.
This was posted 7/27/98...1998..I imagine, a year has passed, and that we could maybe even store more now. =] I agree with the previous post of losing the CDs in the couch though. Hah. Though, I would still fear the cost of such a drive to read (Or write? Eek) to such medium. Anyone figure about how much we could store if the platter was the size of a standard CD? Or how much could be stored in a nice washer-sized disk array? *grins* Finally, when people call and ask how to download the internet, we can say "Go buy this nifty nano-CDR"..
>>How long's it been since you said "I need a faster paralell port" or "I need to upgrade my serial port to a faster UART?" These have been integrated onto motherboards for quite some time now
Well, actually...You could mention ECP and EPP parallel ports. You did need to upgrade your mobo (or get an external controller) to use that. Or else a few nice components couldn't be used.
I mostly agree...It's like people buying a plot of land and waiting for someone to buy it. But the problem here, is this 'land' is just a name, which anyone can play on. Especially companies. They can choose Net, or com, they can choose to have "co" or "ltd" or "inc" in the name or not. They can choose to have a - inbetween their words!..This is almost like land..But just more ignorant. Oh well...People will be people.. Let them waste money..
I just begin to wonder if these cars will cause the same accident-craze as cell-phones did. "If this idiot would get off IRC in front of us, we might be going somewhere!"..I hope it doesn't end up coming down to this.
They comment on how this new standard will speed up transfers, but does anyone have an idea of how much? Considering many consumers are still limited by bandwidth on their end, it generally won't get faster for them, but mostly more efficent transfers before it ends up with them. Correct? Or am I just entirely missing the point. =] Also, does anyone know how it's going to allow multi-domains on single IPs? Almost sounds like a redirect of some complex (or lack of compexity) sort. Mayhaps the daemon will take the domain requested, and devide from there? What if you just typed in the IP address? Will it default to some domain? I find this pretty confusing, but I'm no expert. But sense connections are made to IPs, not really domains (Or so I thought), I'm just slightly lost on this one.
I think there's just going to be as much place for NT as there is for Unix and Linux, and all other varients. These 'holy wars' between the two really don't have much effect on the people who already been using Unix/Linux/NT for an amount of time (Or so I observe). It's a waste of bandwidth almost. Clearly, I won't complain all that much, considering the way the Linux developers have responded to the benchmarks. But when people realize some will always like a point-and-click, and others will always like command line, then the world will be a happier place.. =] I suppost MS as much as I dispise them. Most of us techies and whatnot have our jobs because of MS (Entry level type techs in ISPs and whatnot, not you 75k a year techs =]). But still, the world is always going to need and want choice.
I almost find it amusing that they say MS-DOS is now defunct. Which any decient Windows user will know it's not. Or even a COMMplete user. For all the DOS we still see while booting Windows (Or failing to do so), I would think people would realize it's still "MSDOS-Inside"..With a fat piggie of a GUI sitting on top.
...Or maybe he's just making a creative suggestion for those people who waste away those little rubber stamps on thier keyboards, that make the keys bounce up and down with flames. Give them something constructive to do, mayhaps. I could be horribly wrong.
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Well, they never used the Dresen fab for the K6s, from what I understand. It's a newer plant, so giving them much more production. Also, the reason for partnering with Motorola would/will help them in their financial troubles, so it's a win-win situation for AMD (and possibily, Motorola). And as for the offer, do you think 1 billion dollars is a good enough offer?
I've heard stories that AMD has actually been looking for a 'partner' for that fab for quite some time. It appears everyone has turned them down, unfortunatly. Anyone have any idea who they contacted/asked before? I'd imagine almost everyone but intel was contacted or thought about. Anyway, if anyone knows, speak.. =]
Hate to break it to you, but the price war started some time ago.. =] http://www.sharkyextreme.com does a CPU Price Guide everyweek showing the trends on the mainstream (x86) CPU pricing, and a little info about them. The price war started about the same time the Athlon was announced. P2/3 prices dropped like a rock, etc..More vapor about the Coppermine and so on. It's all fun and exciting..Phht..
I'm not too sure what you mean by that title, but it sounds like you mean AMD will be stamped on the G4. From articles I've read last week seem to indicate that Motorola would buy about 1 billian dollars worth of the fab (I believe it was 50% or close) and they would be produced along-side each other, but still with their respective names. But I do agree, this can only be good. AMD get's help out of their slump, as does the G4 (Will the G5 be made there?). I do hope the best for both companies, and AMD has always been one of my favorites (Mainly because I don't play games :). I agree, good idea, and good luck. I just hope it goes through.
That had to be one of those most worthless article I've ever read on DSL vs. Cable. I'm sorry, but I was expecting more. Maybe something about the latency, or an average pool-size for cable subscribers. Nothing, the first 3 pages seemed like an add for the guy's cable provider. Pointless, I didn't pick up a bit of information out of that. At least the guy could of done was get some more pricing on the two services. For one, I work at an ISP and we offer ADSL for pretty low rates. (768k down/128kup for 17$) and GTE doesn't charge too much for monthly (32.50 for above mentioned). So I guess, in the end, I expected more information from that 4 pages then the writer was ready to offer. Oh well, maybe next time.
And mayhaps being able to bring the network up and down (Among other daemons) without the need to reboot. I think it's much more simple to shutdown a service, replace a config file, and start it back up in 10 seconds then it is to replace the config, and take 2-3 minutes to reboot. I only imagine that would be more critical in larger and larger user environments. A *huge* plus to MS's OSs would be that ability that *nix has long shared.
There's always the chance that if/when this does happen in universities, you'll have those psycho enthusiasts(sp) tearing down those NT servers left and right just to tick people off. I'm not saying it's the okay thing to do, but you know it will more then likely happen. I'd be suprised to see if the servers were left alone.
Another thought. Will MS people be setting up/configuring the servers? Doubtfully. So they will have to pay the people to redo them. And a total overhall of many of the servers would seem to me, to cost more money then it's worth. How much would licensing cost for a university to do that? Why not stay with what they have, and keep the reliability and familiarity(sp) that they have? Who knows. Any thoughts?
I actually heard one time if an ISP doesn't/refuses to stop illegal activity coming from their ISP, there are 'higher-ups' who you can contact (More then likely their provider of the line) who can give them an ultimadum(sp) to either take action or loose their lines. I think this can also be done through a gov office of one type or another. Sorry I don't have any names, but it's another thing to think about.
Well, I meant that it was a kicker that the computer was operational... =] (ahh, things were made so much more reliably(sp) back then..*sigh*)
I still want to know what programs he used, and how big they were...Bet there was no 'advanced features' section.
What kind of drives does this thing have? Those 9 inch super-floppy disks? Or maybe a tape drive? Anyone want to enligten me on this one? =] I wonder what kind of programs are on there, and how long they took to boot. What about the size? Anyone know how big and how much this product weighs? I'm sure they didn't have even MFM/RLL drives back then, so I don't suppose it had any form of a hard drive?
Yeah the real kicker is, the guy was still *using* the computer to write wills and whatnot. Now he gets $15,000 in a new server, desktop (I believe) and a laptop. Maybe more stufff, can't remember. Pretty nice..
I actually ran 2 i740 boards on my two computers, and they ran sweet, and still do.
On the other hand, what is going on with the new Intel graphics chip they just brought out not too long ago? Are they ditching that too, including support?
That maybe true, but the fact still remains, there is no one to sue. =] I'm almost thinking, in a situation-critical, I'd want to see something like a piece of software, open-sourced, sure, but owned by a company who supports it. Therefor that company still makes money off support, has the community to find flaws, has the businesses to get it free, and can get kicked in the butt when something goes wrong. =]
Am I a crack-baby, or did the link to see the paper written up by the gentleman didn't work? In any case, if someone did get to see it, or it's just down for a short count, can ye let me know what it said? heh.
This was posted 7/27/98 ...1998..I imagine, a year has passed, and that we could maybe even store more now. =] I agree with the previous post of losing the CDs in the couch though. Hah. Though, I would still fear the cost of such a drive to read (Or write? Eek) to such medium. Anyone figure about how much we could store if the platter was the size of a standard CD? Or how much could be stored in a nice washer-sized disk array? *grins* ..
Finally, when people call and ask how to download the internet, we can say "Go buy this nifty nano-CDR"
>>How long's it been since you said "I need a faster paralell port" or "I need to upgrade my serial port to a faster UART?" These have been integrated onto motherboards for quite some time now
Well, actually...You could mention ECP and EPP parallel ports. You did need to upgrade your mobo (or get an external controller) to use that. Or else a few nice components couldn't be used.
I mostly agree...It's like people buying a plot of land and waiting for someone to buy it. But the problem here, is this 'land' is just a name, which anyone can play on. Especially companies. They can choose Net, or com, they can choose to have "co" or "ltd" or "inc" in the name or not. They can choose to have a - inbetween their words! ..This is almost like land..But just more ignorant. Oh well...People will be people.. Let them waste money..
I just begin to wonder if these cars will cause the same accident-craze as cell-phones did. "If this idiot would get off IRC in front of us, we might be going somewhere!" ..I hope it doesn't end up coming down to this.
They comment on how this new standard will speed up transfers, but does anyone have an idea of how much? Considering many consumers are still limited by bandwidth on their end, it generally won't get faster for them, but mostly more efficent transfers before it ends up with them. Correct? Or am I just entirely missing the point. =]
Also, does anyone know how it's going to allow multi-domains on single IPs? Almost sounds like a redirect of some complex (or lack of compexity) sort. Mayhaps the daemon will take the domain requested, and devide from there? What if you just typed in the IP address? Will it default to some domain? I find this pretty confusing, but I'm no expert. But sense connections are made to IPs, not really domains (Or so I thought), I'm just slightly lost on this one.
I think there's just going to be as much place for NT as there is for Unix and Linux, and all other varients. These 'holy wars' between the two really don't have much effect on the people who already been using Unix/Linux/NT for an amount of time (Or so I observe). It's a waste of bandwidth almost. Clearly, I won't complain all that much, considering the way the Linux developers have responded to the benchmarks. But when people realize some will always like a point-and-click, and others will always like command line, then the world will be a happier place.. =] I suppost MS as much as I dispise them. Most of us techies and whatnot have our jobs because of MS (Entry level type techs in ISPs and whatnot, not you 75k a year techs =]). But still, the world is always going to need and want choice.
I almost find it amusing that they say MS-DOS is now defunct. Which any decient Windows user will know it's not. Or even a COMMplete user. For all the DOS we still see while booting Windows (Or failing to do so), I would think people would realize it's still "MSDOS-Inside" ..With a fat piggie of a GUI sitting on top.
...Or maybe he's just making a creative suggestion for those people who waste away those little rubber stamps on thier keyboards, that make the keys bounce up and down with flames. Give them something constructive to do, mayhaps. I could be horribly wrong.