So to overcompensate for rude people you will let people die. Excellent compromise.
A hypothetical that someone might die is not enough to stop mankind doing things. Even the actuality of it isn't. Otherwise if we were driving cars at all, they'd still have a man walking in front of them waving a red flag.
Entire audiences have been killed in theatres. Through fire and collapse. But it's considered worthwhile. We don't want to give up the pleasure of theatre for the microscopic chance of death.
It's a statistically ignorant argument to say that faraday cages shouldn't be used in theatres, because of death risk of not having radio signal. Theatres have far bigger risks than your hypothetical already.
I think you are exaggerating the "constant stream of people leaving and returning". The people I am talking about are very few in number and don't get important calls very often.
I'm sorry, but that's just you are more important than other people. You're not. And it's this widespread arrogance that causes the problem.
If you read most theatre policies they ask you to turn off your cell phones and say to leave the theatre if you must use your phone.
What part of turn off your phone don't you understand? I've never come across a theatre who says the later thing, but if they exist, the only way to interpret it is if you have to MAKE a phone call. Perhaps because you or your companion is unexpectedly feeling ill. It can't be to receive a phone call, because you can't receive one when your phone is off.
TL;DR: I don't believe for one second that there is any theatre policy that says anything other on the subject than "Please switch off your phones." and the please is only being polite. It's not an option.
That is an excellent assumption and way off base. I usually turn my phone off at theatres as I do not need to be contacted.
i.e. You turn it off only according to YOUR convenience, not because you owe it as respect to the rest of the audience. I'm not the slightest bit off base.
Everyone is not like you. Just because you don't need radio contact while in a theatre does not mean that others don't. It is not all about you.
You're the one who thinks the world revolves around you. It's simple. If you feel you can't be away from the phone for 2 hours, don't go to a theatre. If you go anyway, and have your phone on, you're a selfish jackass.
The crux of the issue is that we can either kick out the few idiots who abuse their cell phone privileges
The crux of the issue is that they are no different than you. They think their own behaviour is justifiable, even though it's against the rules and against civil standards in a theatre, just as you do. It's a lack of empathy, and you share it.
It's because there are many people like you and like them that technological means are required. I don't care whether it's Faraday cages, jammers or some mobile phone protocol that switches phones off in the presence of a beacon.
(Yes, the jammer solution would require a change in the law.)
Sure. But that doesn't mean our behaviours are equally valid. If in the classic fashion, white is well behaved at the theatre and black is badly behaved, I'm a shade of grey that's very nearly white. My phone is off, and I don't chat whilst the movie/show is on. Nor do I come and go, other than the couple of occasions when I've been caught short. Which is what makes me slightly grey rather than white.
Your line of acceptability is not the only line. My line considers leaving to answer a call to be acceptable.
It's not a case of each person making their own standards. You may not have noticed that the rules of the theatre are invariably "switch off your phone", not leave your phone on and walk out if there's a phone call. I've pointed out why. If everyone did as you do, there would be a constant stream of people leaving and returning. And that's a distraction.
So the unconscious patient has to me moved from the theatre so the ECG can transmit back to the hospital and the EMTs can talk to the doctors? I am talking about the EMT communicating with the hospital while tending a patient.
I'd have respect for your hypothetical if it wasn't constructed specifically to enable you personally to continue to be rude to your fellow theatregoers by breaking the rules regarding phone calls.
Jammers are illegal in the US as their influence can not be contained in a building. Faraday cages can not be turned off.
Absolutely. And both are preferable to the current state of play of selfish people ruining theatres for other people.
Getting up to go to the washroom is also distraction. The idea is to minimize distraction not eliminate them.
Absolutely. And minimising them is the reason why the "vibrate on, leave if there's a telephone call" plan is unacceptable. In an audience of say 500 people, in a 2 hour period, how many people would get calls, would you imagine? Easily enough for the stream of people to be leaving and returning to be constant.
The reason that it doesn't happen is that most people are so rude and selfish as to do that.
A Faraday cage that will block cell phone coverage will also block most other radios as well. Radio coverage is a necessity for EMS.
And is available just outside the theatre. Or in the case of a jammer could be switched off.
Meanwhile that same generation who always goes back to "whaaaa this new generation is rude and selfish" is trying to kill social security (but still make sure THEY get what THEY put into it and yet not seeing how that's not screwing the rest of us over).
Your complaints seem to be about conservatives. Conservatives are both old and young, as are liberals.
Another difference between the 1970s and more recent times is that back then, the youth used to be politically motivated and fight against the things you mention. In recent decades, not so much. Though there's some hopeful signs of a return to political action with the "occupy" movement for example.
And maybe they've usually been right. You see people change as they get older. Usually they get wiser. (Though not always.)
But that's not to say that each young generation has the same faults.
For sure the complaints the older generation made of my generation were true. I didn't realise it at the time, but I appreciate it now. For example our generation were still quite bigoted. The younger generation now, so much less so.
But the idea that you could ignore the rules, and then argue back in the face of the adult or authority figure that took you to task about it. That's something that the current youth does that we didn't.
WTF has your feelings of being special and irreplaceable in your job got to do with it?
It's a matter of choice. If you choose to take a job where you feel irreplacable 24/7/365, then you've also made the choice not to go to theatres, other than in your vacation.
Anything else is you being just as rude in disregarding the civil standards and rules of the theatre as those kids that also believe they are special and above the rules.
The more people who seem to think they are special and have the right to ignore the no mobile phone rules in theatres, the more I become certain that the only real solution is technical - faraday cage or jammer.
Both phones vibrating and people leaving the cinema are also distractions.
Another issue is that if someone has a medical emergency in the theatre EMS radios would not work and EMTs would lose communication with the hospitals.
Were you born yesterday? There was a time before mobile phones. And even now there are places where there is naturally no cell signal. Cell phone signal is not a necessity, it's a convenience. And if people go on being selfish about it, it'll be a convenience that will be increasingly cut off.
As much as I hate undoing my mods, are you saying parents of children with special needs should never go to the movies?
What do you imagine parents of kids with special needs did before mobile phones?
TL;DR Some people are so important they need to be reachable and sometimes these people need to get out and decompress at a movie.
No. Some people think they are more special and important than the hundreds of other people in the cinema. And they can write their own rules because of it.
Different places have different standards of behaviour. If for some reason you can't abide by the standard of behaviour, then you shouldn't be in that place. You're kid might have special needs, that doesn't make you special, and doesn't give you a right to ignore those standards.
Or are you saying that IT staff / firemen / doctors should never go to movies?
No one should have a job when they are on call 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. It's not reasonable.
All such people I've ever come across have days when they are on call and days when they aren't. If it's different where you are, then perhaps you need some legislation. Meanwhile anyone taking such a job is doing it by choice. One of the aspects of that choice is that they won't have the legitimate option of going to the cinema.
The moron would be the person on call who chooses to go to the cinema.
And there are some scenarios where, in my opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to turn on your screen for 10 seconds to see who is calling and then either turn it off or excuse yourself to the lobby.
The entirety of the problem is with people deciding their own standards for what's acceptable, and what is not. And of course everyone draws that line based on what they themselves would do. So the couple talking loudly, they have the opinion that is acceptable. The girl texting; the guy taking a phone call - the all thing their personal behaviour is acceptable.
How do we get around this? We have society standards for what's acceptable. And ANY type of phone use whilst the movie is playing most breaks that. Short of a fire or a heart attack in the auditorium.
If you can't be without the phone for 100 minutes, then find something else to do other than going to the theatre.
I am not sure why people are getting this upset, talking on the phone should not be allowed inside the theater, but you should be able to get up and take a call right outside the theater right?
Not right, no. The vibrate may disturb people, you getting up and going out and coming back *will* disturb other people.
The reason I say this is because when I go to a movie theater now a days, someone else is watching my young child, and I HAVE to be able to be contacted at all times... period
How old are you? How do you imagine parents managed before there were mobile phones (or pagers). There's no period there. You are putting your desires over and above the right of possibly hundreds of people to watch a movie (or a stage show) without being disturbed.
other reasons that far outweigh the importance of a movie.
If you don't WANT to be out of contact with your babysitter, then don't go to a theatre. Do something else. The movie might not be very important to you, but it's important to others. You're being selfish. And people being selfish, and thinking their wants are more important than other people's is the entirety of the problem.
since I am in my 40's.
Me too. And people in their 40s are just as capable of being selfish shits as any other age range.
So, what, when someone has to use the bathroom do you expect them to bring a bottle (funnel optional) so that they don't distract you from the movie?
No. You expect them to go before the movie. And to hold on for the end of the movie, or a loud, action part if nature calls whilst they are in there.
If they do get caught short during the movie, then that's a fact of life. They will disturb everyone around them, but there's no alternative short of wetting the seat. We live with it.
There is an alternative to all the disturbances involving phones. Turn the damned thing off when you go into the theatre, as you are supposed to. If there's some reason you can't do that, then don't go to the theatre that night. Hundreds of people shouldn't have to put up with a disturbance because of your bad choices.
I can't agree with blocking reception. If my phone vibrates, I want to have the option to get up and take the call outside.
The entire problem is one of people thinking that their personal behaviour line is the one that is right. When your phone vibrates, it makes a noise. When you get up and leave the theatre you disturb all the people around you. When you come back you do it again. And you think that that's OK. Because you do it.
It's not OK. Those rude patrons you talk about ruining movies. Well the unpleasant truth is that you are one of them yourself.
Of course no one ever accepts that they are part of the problem. And you won't either. You'll believe you're just as entitled as all the people who are talking and texting do.
IMO, the only downside to making each theater a faraday cage is the edge cases where some people need to be able to get a text, page, call, etc (ex. doctors, on call IT, etc).
No need. People on call have plenty of other options. They could go bowling for example.
Remember, the world managed perfectly well enough before there were mobile phones and pagers. It's never a necessity.
It depends where you live (or more specifically where you go to the theatre), and it depends how tolerant you are. And in this case intolerant is not a bad thing, it's just the nature of how distracting you find other people's noise and bad behaviour is.
Just because you are hearing about it on the internet does not make it imaginary. If you haven't been effected by it, and do go to the cinema reasonably often, then you've been lucky. Lots of us have been affected by it many times. It certainly exists.
It does vary by area and neighbourhood, as does all forms of anti-social behaviour, so maybe you've been lucky. I've never been robbed in the street, but I don't deny it exists.
Or it could be that you are less sensitive to it than other people are. Some people are disturbed by auditory and visual distractions when watching a movie. Other people get so engrossed in what's happening on the screen they block everything else out.
Frankly I don't really give a shit if people are texting or surfing on their phone during the movie. I'm looking ahead at the screen. I find it hard to believe that it should really bother someone that much.
What would be better is the *reverse* - a soundproof glass enclosed room at a premium price where people can smoke, talk, and be on their cell phones all they want while the rest of the theater gets to watch a movie in peace.
The problem is those assholes wouldn't pay a premium price. They'd expect the well behaved people to pay to get their silence.
As does anyone who has ever needed to call the paramedics because their loved one is bleeding out and your device is jamming their signal. Upon finding out you were doing this, my solution would be to "disrupt" electrical power to your domicile. With an axe.
Guess the age of this coward. clearly too young to remember a world where cell-phones weren't universal. Cell signals are not oxygen or water. They are not an essential and shouldn't be thought of as a right.
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So to overcompensate for rude people you will let people die. Excellent compromise.
A hypothetical that someone might die is not enough to stop mankind doing things. Even the actuality of it isn't. Otherwise if we were driving cars at all, they'd still have a man walking in front of them waving a red flag.
Entire audiences have been killed in theatres. Through fire and collapse. But it's considered worthwhile. We don't want to give up the pleasure of theatre for the microscopic chance of death.
It's a statistically ignorant argument to say that faraday cages shouldn't be used in theatres, because of death risk of not having radio signal. Theatres have far bigger risks than your hypothetical already.
I think you are exaggerating the "constant stream of people leaving and returning". The people I am talking about are very few in number and don't get important calls very often.
I'm sorry, but that's just you are more important than other people. You're not. And it's this widespread arrogance that causes the problem.
If you read most theatre policies they ask you to turn off your cell phones and say to leave the theatre if you must use your phone.
What part of turn off your phone don't you understand? I've never come across a theatre who says the later thing, but if they exist, the only way to interpret it is if you have to MAKE a phone call. Perhaps because you or your companion is unexpectedly feeling ill. It can't be to receive a phone call, because you can't receive one when your phone is off.
TL;DR: I don't believe for one second that there is any theatre policy that says anything other on the subject than "Please switch off your phones." and the please is only being polite. It's not an option.
That is an excellent assumption and way off base. I usually turn my phone off at theatres as I do not need to be contacted.
i.e. You turn it off only according to YOUR convenience, not because you owe it as respect to the rest of the audience. I'm not the slightest bit off base.
Everyone is not like you. Just because you don't need radio contact while in a theatre does not mean that others don't. It is not all about you.
You're the one who thinks the world revolves around you. It's simple. If you feel you can't be away from the phone for 2 hours, don't go to a theatre. If you go anyway, and have your phone on, you're a selfish jackass.
The crux of the issue is that we can either kick out the few idiots who abuse their cell phone privileges
The crux of the issue is that they are no different than you. They think their own behaviour is justifiable, even though it's against the rules and against civil standards in a theatre, just as you do. It's a lack of empathy, and you share it.
It's because there are many people like you and like them that technological means are required. I don't care whether it's Faraday cages, jammers or some mobile phone protocol that switches phones off in the presence of a beacon.
(Yes, the jammer solution would require a change in the law.)
Sure. But that doesn't mean our behaviours are equally valid. If in the classic fashion, white is well behaved at the theatre and black is badly behaved, I'm a shade of grey that's very nearly white. My phone is off, and I don't chat whilst the movie/show is on. Nor do I come and go, other than the couple of occasions when I've been caught short. Which is what makes me slightly grey rather than white.
But you're significantly more grey than I am.
Your line of acceptability is not the only line. My line considers leaving to answer a call to be acceptable.
It's not a case of each person making their own standards. You may not have noticed that the rules of the theatre are invariably "switch off your phone", not leave your phone on and walk out if there's a phone call. I've pointed out why. If everyone did as you do, there would be a constant stream of people leaving and returning. And that's a distraction.
So the unconscious patient has to me moved from the theatre so the ECG can transmit back to the hospital and the EMTs can talk to the doctors? I am talking about the EMT communicating with the hospital while tending a patient.
I'd have respect for your hypothetical if it wasn't constructed specifically to enable you personally to continue to be rude to your fellow theatregoers by breaking the rules regarding phone calls.
Jammers are illegal in the US as their influence can not be contained in a building. Faraday cages can not be turned off.
Absolutely. And both are preferable to the current state of play of selfish people ruining theatres for other people.
Getting up to go to the washroom is also distraction. The idea is to minimize distraction not eliminate them.
Absolutely. And minimising them is the reason why the "vibrate on, leave if there's a telephone call" plan is unacceptable. In an audience of say 500 people, in a 2 hour period, how many people would get calls, would you imagine? Easily enough for the stream of people to be leaving and returning to be constant.
The reason that it doesn't happen is that most people are so rude and selfish as to do that.
A Faraday cage that will block cell phone coverage will also block most other radios as well. Radio coverage is a necessity for EMS.
And is available just outside the theatre. Or in the case of a jammer could be switched off.
Meanwhile that same generation who always goes back to "whaaaa this new generation is rude and selfish" is trying to kill social security (but still make sure THEY get what THEY put into it and yet not seeing how that's not screwing the rest of us over).
Your complaints seem to be about conservatives. Conservatives are both old and young, as are liberals.
Another difference between the 1970s and more recent times is that back then, the youth used to be politically motivated and fight against the things you mention. In recent decades, not so much. Though there's some hopeful signs of a return to political action with the "occupy" movement for example.
And maybe they've usually been right. You see people change as they get older. Usually they get wiser. (Though not always.)
But that's not to say that each young generation has the same faults.
For sure the complaints the older generation made of my generation were true. I didn't realise it at the time, but I appreciate it now. For example our generation were still quite bigoted. The younger generation now, so much less so.
But the idea that you could ignore the rules, and then argue back in the face of the adult or authority figure that took you to task about it. That's something that the current youth does that we didn't.
WTF has your feelings of being special and irreplaceable in your job got to do with it?
It's a matter of choice. If you choose to take a job where you feel irreplacable 24/7/365, then you've also made the choice not to go to theatres, other than in your vacation.
Anything else is you being just as rude in disregarding the civil standards and rules of the theatre as those kids that also believe they are special and above the rules.
But I'm afraid the FCC will become upset because it can _block_ signals outside the movie theater.
Show us the law against building faraday cages.
Home theatre. Or one of the many other kinds of nights out where phones aren't banned - e.g. bowling.
Other people shouldn't have to suffer your rule breaking which you justify by your choice of job.
The more people who seem to think they are special and have the right to ignore the no mobile phone rules in theatres, the more I become certain that the only real solution is technical - faraday cage or jammer.
Both phones vibrating and people leaving the cinema are also distractions.
Another issue is that if someone has a medical emergency in the theatre EMS radios would not work and EMTs would lose communication with the hospitals.
Were you born yesterday? There was a time before mobile phones. And even now there are places where there is naturally no cell signal. Cell phone signal is not a necessity, it's a convenience. And if people go on being selfish about it, it'll be a convenience that will be increasingly cut off.
As much as I hate undoing my mods, are you saying parents of children with special needs should never go to the movies?
What do you imagine parents of kids with special needs did before mobile phones?
TL;DR Some people are so important they need to be reachable and sometimes these people need to get out and decompress at a movie.
No. Some people think they are more special and important than the hundreds of other people in the cinema. And they can write their own rules because of it.
Different places have different standards of behaviour. If for some reason you can't abide by the standard of behaviour, then you shouldn't be in that place. You're kid might have special needs, that doesn't make you special, and doesn't give you a right to ignore those standards.
Or are you saying that IT staff / firemen / doctors should never go to movies?
No one should have a job when they are on call 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. It's not reasonable.
All such people I've ever come across have days when they are on call and days when they aren't. If it's different where you are, then perhaps you need some legislation. Meanwhile anyone taking such a job is doing it by choice. One of the aspects of that choice is that they won't have the legitimate option of going to the cinema.
The moron would be the person on call who chooses to go to the cinema.
And there are some scenarios where, in my opinion, it's perfectly acceptable to turn on your screen for 10 seconds to see who is calling and then either turn it off or excuse yourself to the lobby.
The entirety of the problem is with people deciding their own standards for what's acceptable, and what is not. And of course everyone draws that line based on what they themselves would do. So the couple talking loudly, they have the opinion that is acceptable. The girl texting; the guy taking a phone call - the all thing their personal behaviour is acceptable.
How do we get around this? We have society standards for what's acceptable. And ANY type of phone use whilst the movie is playing most breaks that. Short of a fire or a heart attack in the auditorium.
If you can't be without the phone for 100 minutes, then find something else to do other than going to the theatre.
You're doing a good job of convincing people here you're exactly the kind of selfish person that does these things.
I am not sure why people are getting this upset, talking on the phone should not be allowed inside the theater, but you should be able to get up and take a call right outside the theater right?
Not right, no. The vibrate may disturb people, you getting up and going out and coming back *will* disturb other people.
The reason I say this is because when I go to a movie theater now a days, someone else is watching my young child, and I HAVE to be able to be contacted at all times... period
How old are you? How do you imagine parents managed before there were mobile phones (or pagers). There's no period there. You are putting your desires over and above the right of possibly hundreds of people to watch a movie (or a stage show) without being disturbed.
other reasons that far outweigh the importance of a movie.
If you don't WANT to be out of contact with your babysitter, then don't go to a theatre. Do something else. The movie might not be very important to you, but it's important to others. You're being selfish. And people being selfish, and thinking their wants are more important than other people's is the entirety of the problem.
since I am in my 40's.
Me too. And people in their 40s are just as capable of being selfish shits as any other age range.
I'm glad you don't. I've been distracted by people texting (or some other phone using activity) many times.
So, what, when someone has to use the bathroom do you expect them to bring a bottle (funnel optional) so that they don't distract you from the movie?
No. You expect them to go before the movie. And to hold on for the end of the movie, or a loud, action part if nature calls whilst they are in there.
If they do get caught short during the movie, then that's a fact of life. They will disturb everyone around them, but there's no alternative short of wetting the seat. We live with it.
There is an alternative to all the disturbances involving phones. Turn the damned thing off when you go into the theatre, as you are supposed to. If there's some reason you can't do that, then don't go to the theatre that night. Hundreds of people shouldn't have to put up with a disturbance because of your bad choices.
I can't agree with blocking reception. If my phone vibrates, I want to have the option to get up and take the call outside.
The entire problem is one of people thinking that their personal behaviour line is the one that is right. When your phone vibrates, it makes a noise. When you get up and leave the theatre you disturb all the people around you. When you come back you do it again. And you think that that's OK. Because you do it.
It's not OK. Those rude patrons you talk about ruining movies. Well the unpleasant truth is that you are one of them yourself.
Of course no one ever accepts that they are part of the problem. And you won't either. You'll believe you're just as entitled as all the people who are talking and texting do.
IMO, the only downside to making each theater a faraday cage is the edge cases where some people need to be able to get a text, page, call, etc (ex. doctors, on call IT, etc).
No need. People on call have plenty of other options. They could go bowling for example.
Remember, the world managed perfectly well enough before there were mobile phones and pagers. It's never a necessity.
It depends where you live (or more specifically where you go to the theatre), and it depends how tolerant you are. And in this case intolerant is not a bad thing, it's just the nature of how distracting you find other people's noise and bad behaviour is.
Just because you are hearing about it on the internet does not make it imaginary. If you haven't been effected by it, and do go to the cinema reasonably often, then you've been lucky. Lots of us have been affected by it many times. It certainly exists.
It does vary by area and neighbourhood, as does all forms of anti-social behaviour, so maybe you've been lucky. I've never been robbed in the street, but I don't deny it exists.
Or it could be that you are less sensitive to it than other people are. Some people are disturbed by auditory and visual distractions when watching a movie. Other people get so engrossed in what's happening on the screen they block everything else out.
Frankly I don't really give a shit if people are texting or surfing on their phone during the movie. I'm looking ahead at the screen. I find it hard to believe that it should really bother someone that much.
Do you do it?
What would be better is the *reverse* - a soundproof glass enclosed room at a premium price where people can smoke, talk, and be on their cell phones all they want while the rest of the theater gets to watch a movie in peace.
The problem is those assholes wouldn't pay a premium price. They'd expect the well behaved people to pay to get their silence.
As does anyone who has ever needed to call the paramedics because their loved one is bleeding out and your device is jamming their signal.
Upon finding out you were doing this, my solution would be to "disrupt" electrical power to your domicile. With an axe.
Guess the age of this coward. clearly too young to remember a world where cell-phones weren't universal. Cell signals are not oxygen or water. They are not an essential and shouldn't be thought of as a right.