The Pyongyang subway system is the deepest in the world. It's build that way so it's bomb proof. You think if they did that for the public subway, the military defenses aren't equally built with bombardment in mind? NK has been preparing to be bombed for the last 60 years.
And you have no basis to presume the NK military would defect. There's nothing to suggest that at all. They are one of the most disciplined armies in the world.
You're wrong. Iraq was not a nuclear state, though it had aspirations to be one. NK is a nuclear state, and it's nuclear tests have been confirmed.
And no, NK is not a puppet of anyone. Their independence is their most important political belief. NK has proven to be the least easily manipulated state in the world.
Other that smuggling in a nuke via ship to the coast I don't think they pose much of a credible threat today.
So if that's the exception, why wouldn't they do exactly that. Small organised crime outfits can smuggle tons of drugs into the USA. Smuggling in a nuke isn't that hard if a nuclear capable country wanted to do it.
Why don't we in the US, drop a little 'demonstration' ourselves....maybe have about 4 or 5 'empty' of payload polaris missles drop near the shores of NK, just to show them WE CAN already do this..?
1) Because the UN would (or at least should) condemn it.
2) Because all you'll succeed in doing is redoubling NK's efforts to create ICBM nukes to defend themselves.
Blimey, that's a particularly bad one. I don't remember that, but some of the BASIC programs had data blocks of machine code in hex, and the chances of getting that right first time were pretty slim.
Mind you, you often made typos in the body of a BASIC app too, which gave an introduction to debugging for a lot of people.
As I remember, the hardest of the printed listings I ever came across was in Personal Computer World, a UK magazine. They did the source code for an adventure game engine. But for some bizarre reason the code was given in a pseudo-code of the authors own design. You didn't just have to type it in, you had to convert it from pseudo-code to your own choice of language. And as I recall, it was tailored towards conversion to assembler. Beyond my capabilities at the time.
It may not have been dumbed down, but the reliability fell by a factor of 10
Reliability in what way? If you mean faulty TVs, I don't agree, because back then they had valves, which went faulty on a regular basis. Over time reliability improved, rather than got worse.
If you mean quality of signal, again I disagree. The old dials often needed tweaking as they went slightly out of tune. The button operated channel changers started to have automatic frequency control incorporated pretty quickly.
Perhaps you were just unlucky.
I agree with you on Microwaves, I prefer dials because they are easier to twist than it is to press several buttons. With one exception - there is poor time accuracy on the dials. And that can matter for items that need less than 5 minutes. With a dial microwave you can be reduced to manually timing it. (But maybe there are dials combined with digital readouts now? - I haven't looked for a long time.)
Those are a third generation of TVs. But I haven't seen any yet that don't have any channel change controls on the TV. They tend to be P +/- and they tend to be under a hidden flap. But they are for emergencies only. And anyway, most channel selection these days is done via a set-top-box.
today I'd rather have a less-efficient library written in some portable language.
I can date the point at which my enjoyment of programming started to fade as the point at which I was on a platform where I had to use libraries to make programs. The real fun for me is creating the whole thing, not being a client of libraries.
That would be about 1987. I only rediscovered the level of fun of early 80s programming when I got hold of Andre Le Moth's "Hydra" console, and made made games from the ground up, including the video driver.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm doing work, then of course I'll use libraries. But they ain't fun as far as I'm concerned.
Thinking about the computers on the 80s. Computers at that era booted right into BASIC interpreter. Kids had magazines with programs on source code, and many of those kids probably learned something useful, besides just paying games.
True. Mind you for most of that decade you had to type those programs in yourself. They were simply printed listings. That meant you learned the fundamentals of BASIC, but they were never very sophisticated programs.
BusinessInsider? You're kidding, right? Editor is Henry Blodget, tech stock fraudster. BI is known for writing click-bait.
Reputable Source? Walter Isaacson Check!
So, you have a story, told to Walter Isaacsson by a source that wasn't necessarily there, written about in a biography to make it interesting, and then retold by Dylan Love. You do know what "hearsay" means, I trust?
The guy who wrote an authorized biography of Jobs in 2011.
Which neither means that Issacson asked Jobs about those stories, nor anyone else that was there.
I assume your apology will be forthcoming.
Bad assumption. I said hearsay, and so they are. I said you don't know which of these stories are true and which are not, and you don't. And I showed you an alternate telling of the elevator story to illustrate that.
Is there some sort of use behind every single non-American posting this with every single story that even remotely involves food?
Who says they are all non-Americans. There are many Americans ashamed at their countries obesity stats.
I'm an American, and I'm not obese
The extent to which you're offended by a simple, true stat makes me think you're more than a little concerned about your weight.
Believe it or not, just because a majority of people are something doesn't mean that all of them are.
That would be why the stat I linked to is 30.6% not 100%.
I realize that is hard to believe though, after all the internet says different and everything on the internet is true.
You're quite irrational, aren't you.
Also, you're referencing data from 2003 and assuming that in the last 10 years absolutely nothing has changed.
2005 actually, because that's the stats Nationmaster happens to have. If you're imagining there's being any large scale reduction since then, you'll be sorely disappointed. But feel free to do your own research.
Well, those would normally be covered by your agreement not to divulge company secrets
There's the difference between theory and practice. Salesmen are often caught out, because it's easy to see when they hold on to client lists for previous employers. But product secrets. They can be used without there being evidence outside. Who's to say whether Company B's new product direction was influenced by company A's unreleased product, or it's just chance.
And if company B hired you based on the fact that you were willing to divulge company A's secrets, then why are they not concerned about company C hiring you up?
Because they are looking at the next quarter, or at most the next year. Not 5 years from now.
I'm not cherry picking i googled gun crime in the uk and violent crime in australia
Why not violent crime for the UK and gun crime for Australia. The opposite cherry picking.
Here's a hint: If you have to use different measures for different countries, that's because you're trying to find stats to match your prejudice. It's called cherry picking.
Then there's the cherry picked years you are using.
there were always far more high-level ex-Apple employees than on the roles.
The average time a tech employee stays at any company is about 5 years. Apple has been around longer than most tech companies - 35 years. In that time, yes, an awful lot of their high-level employees have gone on to create their own start-ups.
Microsoft seems to keep more of their high-level employees. And as a result they are a dinosaur, unable to change. With their stock flatlining for 15 years. Don't you think that should have got rid of Ballmer a decade ago?
Some of the stories about Jobs are true. Some are made up. Trouble is it's hard to know which is which. Unless and until someone gives the name of the person in the lift, this one remains a dubious anecdote.
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The Pyongyang subway system is the deepest in the world. It's build that way so it's bomb proof. You think if they did that for the public subway, the military defenses aren't equally built with bombardment in mind? NK has been preparing to be bombed for the last 60 years.
And you have no basis to presume the NK military would defect. There's nothing to suggest that at all. They are one of the most disciplined armies in the world.
You're wrong. Iraq was not a nuclear state, though it had aspirations to be one. NK is a nuclear state, and it's nuclear tests have been confirmed.
And no, NK is not a puppet of anyone. Their independence is their most important political belief. NK has proven to be the least easily manipulated state in the world.
Other that smuggling in a nuke via ship to the coast I don't think they pose much of a credible threat today.
So if that's the exception, why wouldn't they do exactly that. Small organised crime outfits can smuggle tons of drugs into the USA. Smuggling in a nuke isn't that hard if a nuclear capable country wanted to do it.
The stateless Al Queda managed to hurt the US just by hi-jacking a few planes. Most certainly NK could hurt the US. Just not necessarily with an ICBM.
The NK military is rather stronger than you imagine. One of the reasons the people are so poor is because they spend so much on their military.
Mr. Hussein Obama
What a racist right wing dickhead.
Why don't we in the US, drop a little 'demonstration' ourselves....maybe have about 4 or 5 'empty' of payload polaris missles drop near the shores of NK, just to show them WE CAN already do this..?
1) Because the UN would (or at least should) condemn it.
2) Because all you'll succeed in doing is redoubling NK's efforts to create ICBM nukes to defend themselves.
All I could think reading this news was "Do they want to get smashed flat?".
MAD kept the nuclear peace since 1945. If it was good enough for the US and the USSR, why isn't it good enough for North Korea?
(I'm voicing their possible perspective, not my own.)
No one in the US wants any resources North Korea has.
Oh, there are plenty of Americans that want the North Korean traffic control system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDHhW5_RxKc
Blimey, that's a particularly bad one. I don't remember that, but some of the BASIC programs had data blocks of machine code in hex, and the chances of getting that right first time were pretty slim.
Mind you, you often made typos in the body of a BASIC app too, which gave an introduction to debugging for a lot of people.
As I remember, the hardest of the printed listings I ever came across was in Personal Computer World, a UK magazine. They did the source code for an adventure game engine. But for some bizarre reason the code was given in a pseudo-code of the authors own design. You didn't just have to type it in, you had to convert it from pseudo-code to your own choice of language. And as I recall, it was tailored towards conversion to assembler. Beyond my capabilities at the time.
It may not have been dumbed down, but the reliability fell by a factor of 10
Reliability in what way? If you mean faulty TVs, I don't agree, because back then they had valves, which went faulty on a regular basis. Over time reliability improved, rather than got worse.
If you mean quality of signal, again I disagree. The old dials often needed tweaking as they went slightly out of tune. The button operated channel changers started to have automatic frequency control incorporated pretty quickly.
Perhaps you were just unlucky.
I agree with you on Microwaves, I prefer dials because they are easier to twist than it is to press several buttons. With one exception - there is poor time accuracy on the dials. And that can matter for items that need less than 5 minutes. With a dial microwave you can be reduced to manually timing it. (But maybe there are dials combined with digital readouts now? - I haven't looked for a long time.)
Those are a third generation of TVs. But I haven't seen any yet that don't have any channel change controls on the TV. They tend to be P +/- and they tend to be under a hidden flap. But they are for emergencies only. And anyway, most channel selection these days is done via a set-top-box.
So therefore -- does the answer to this dilemma in essence hilight
the end of the GENERAL PURPOSE computer?
Hopefully. Donald Norman predicted it's demise 15 years ago in The Invisible Computer. So far, so good.
It's probably a good idea to watch that Penny Arcade link the GP gave.
The slashdot crowd would have thought the TV was dumbed down when it changed from a rotary frequency dial to discrete channel buttons.
You really shouldn't try to teach English to an Englishman. You'll only look stupid.
today I'd rather have a less-efficient library written in some portable language.
I can date the point at which my enjoyment of programming started to fade as the point at which I was on a platform where I had to use libraries to make programs. The real fun for me is creating the whole thing, not being a client of libraries.
That would be about 1987. I only rediscovered the level of fun of early 80s programming when I got hold of Andre Le Moth's "Hydra" console, and made made games from the ground up, including the video driver.
Don't get me wrong, if I'm doing work, then of course I'll use libraries. But they ain't fun as far as I'm concerned.
Thinking about the computers on the 80s. Computers at that era booted right into BASIC interpreter.
Kids had magazines with programs on source code, and many of those kids probably learned something useful, besides just paying games.
True. Mind you for most of that decade you had to type those programs in yourself. They were simply printed listings. That meant you learned the fundamentals of BASIC, but they were never very sophisticated programs.
Still, happy days.
Well lets see, reputable website?
Check!
BusinessInsider? You're kidding, right? Editor is Henry Blodget, tech stock fraudster. BI is known for writing click-bait.
Reputable Source?
Walter Isaacson Check!
So, you have a story, told to Walter Isaacsson by a source that wasn't necessarily there, written about in a biography to make it interesting, and then retold by Dylan Love. You do know what "hearsay" means, I trust?
The guy who wrote an authorized biography of Jobs in 2011.
Which neither means that Issacson asked Jobs about those stories, nor anyone else that was there.
I assume your apology will be forthcoming.
Bad assumption. I said hearsay, and so they are. I said you don't know which of these stories are true and which are not, and you don't. And I showed you an alternate telling of the elevator story to illustrate that.
Is there anyone that doesn't know this?
Absolutely.
Is there some sort of use behind every single non-American posting this with every single story that even remotely involves food?
Who says they are all non-Americans. There are many Americans ashamed at their countries obesity stats.
I'm an American, and I'm not obese
The extent to which you're offended by a simple, true stat makes me think you're more than a little concerned about your weight.
Believe it or not, just because a majority of people are something doesn't mean that all of them are.
That would be why the stat I linked to is 30.6% not 100%.
I realize that is hard to believe though, after all the internet says different and everything on the internet is true.
You're quite irrational, aren't you.
Also, you're referencing data from 2003 and assuming that in the last 10 years absolutely nothing has changed.
2005 actually, because that's the stats Nationmaster happens to have. If you're imagining there's being any large scale reduction since then, you'll be sorely disappointed. But feel free to do your own research.
Good call, moron.
Bad time of the month?
Well, those would normally be covered by your agreement not to divulge company secrets
There's the difference between theory and practice. Salesmen are often caught out, because it's easy to see when they hold on to client lists for previous employers. But product secrets. They can be used without there being evidence outside. Who's to say whether Company B's new product direction was influenced by company A's unreleased product, or it's just chance.
And if company B hired you based on the fact that you were willing to divulge company A's secrets, then why are they not concerned about company C hiring you up?
Because they are looking at the next quarter, or at most the next year. Not 5 years from now.
I'm not cherry picking i googled gun crime in the uk and violent crime in australia
Why not violent crime for the UK and gun crime for Australia. The opposite cherry picking.
Here's a hint: If you have to use different measures for different countries, that's because you're trying to find stats to match your prejudice. It's called cherry picking.
Then there's the cherry picked years you are using.
I've never yet met a hypocrite that doesn't lash out with a pathetic insult when their hypocrisy is pointed out. You, Fred, are no exception.
there were always far more high-level ex-Apple employees than on the roles.
The average time a tech employee stays at any company is about 5 years. Apple has been around longer than most tech companies - 35 years. In that time, yes, an awful lot of their high-level employees have gone on to create their own start-ups.
Microsoft seems to keep more of their high-level employees. And as a result they are a dinosaur, unable to change. With their stock flatlining for 15 years. Don't you think that should have got rid of Ballmer a decade ago?
"If you don't believe that hearsay, here's 16 more examples of hearsay, which will make you more likely to accept that hearsay without evidence."
Here's another telling of the same story, only with the punchline that the guy wasn't an Apple employee, but a photocopier repair man that just happened to be in the building.
http://vanshardware.com/2010/07/the-legend-of-apples-steve-jobs/
Some of the stories about Jobs are true. Some are made up. Trouble is it's hard to know which is which. Unless and until someone gives the name of the person in the lift, this one remains a dubious anecdote.