Your use of "pretty smartphone" and failure to acknowledge any of the many other innovations that Jobs was responsible for just confirms the point I made about your view being an emotional one, rather than one based on facts.
Ford didn't invent the assembly line. He refined it. Just as Jobs did with many technologies.
Your respect for Henry Ford and disdain for Steve Jobs is not based on true facts. It's your emotional response which you are trying and failing to justify.
It was necessary to remove "legacy ports" for USB to function?
No, it was necessary to remove legacy ports to push peripheral manufacturers to make their devices that used USB. You may not remember, but those peripherals didn't arrive when there was a USB spec, or when a small number of people bought USB expansion cards. They arrived because of the G3 iMac. You could even see what prompted them by looking at them. The first wave of USB devices came in translucent candy coloured cases.
[citation needed]
"The iMac was the first computer to exclusively offer USB ports as standard,[2] including the connector for its new keyboard and mouse,[3] thus abandoning previous Macintosh peripheral connections, such as the ADB, SCSI and GeoPort serial ports." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
If you're guessing any of the big 3, you're wrong. However...
Depends which Govt really, doesn't it. The one that invents evidence to invade Iraq, locks up people for reading out the names of the Iraqi dead at the Cenotaph, passes two laws which can abolish Parliament with Parliament debating it probably isn't a good one to trust.
...just confirms my comment about NO2ID being a Tory front.
He said introduce, and that's what he meant. The iMac was the first computer with a USB port as standard. USB was already around as a plug in card, and because of that was rarely used, and that meant there were few USB peripherals. Apple making USB the standard port on iMacs is what encouraged manufacturers to make peripherals, and made USB a success.
Had Apple not done it, another PC manufacturer might have. But they wouldn't have done the other necessary step of removing the legacy ports.
âoeMost people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. Thatâ(TM)s not what we think design is. Itâ(TM)s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.â -- Steve Jobs.
Jobs refined the design of smartphones and made them popular. I've stated that in my first comment. I just don't think it compares to the the inventors the summary was mentioning.
That's odd, because refining and popularising rather than inventing is exactly what Henry Ford did with the automobile and Walt Disney did with animation.
I have seen whole groups of graduate students run for the hills because their adviser treated them like this.
First point worth marking is that not every harsh teacher is teaching Via Negativa. Most of them aren't. When done properly, students know that the criticism isn't of them as people, or of their work in general, but of the specific work that's been presented to the teacher at that point. Done right, the student knows the teacher cares for them and wants the best from them.
I was not the only person who came out of that course a better engineer: everyone came out better, regardless of their talents or innate abilities.
Right. That's the mainstream teaching ideal: for everyone to improve, to be better than they were. No child left behind and all that. And for sure that's what most teaching should be, because most students don't have exceptional talents. Via Negativa is for those aiming to be amongst the best in the world. For example: Top class sportsmen are trained this way.
Going back to the major topic, creative jobs at Apple are for people who are amongst the best at their specialism in the world. Most people would do better to work for a less demanding company.
I have been on the receiving end of that and I can tell you it is a terrible teaching method. I ended up quitting the class and taking the final exam separately, where I got top marks on my own.
The fact that the end result for you was an exam means that you didn't go through what I'm describing at all. Or if you did, your goal wasn't high enough. The technique is intended to produce exceptional creative people, not people who can learn enough conventional thinking to pass an exam.
Given hard work, pretty much anyone can do well in an exam. It's not an arbiter of talent. Creating outstanding original work is.
How about avoiding a method that has such a high chance of harming students and instead let the motivated ones get on with learning.
How about choosing a teacher or establishment that meets your needs. Going back to the original topic, people choose to accept a creative job at Apple, knowing standards are high, and that average work isn't good enough and won't be tolerated. It's a high pressure environment for highly talented people. One that the right people find deeply rewarding. But it's not for everybody.
And what the saying misses out on is that teaching *IS* doing. Teaching is a skill that requires talent. There are good, bad and exceptional teachers. The same goes for leadership.
I never met, let alone worked for Steve Jobs, but I did have a teacher that outsiders might have described like this:
"But he also spent many pages chronicling the arrogant, cruel behavior of a complicated figure who could inspire people one minute and demean them the next. According to the book, Jobs would often berate employees whose work he didn't like. He was notoriously difficult to please and viewed people and products in black and white terms. They were either brilliant or 'sh-t.'"
(Substituting student for employee, and work for product. And note this was a teacher of adults, not children.)
The outsider would be wrong in thinking that the teacher didn't care about his students - he wanted the best for them. It's that he taught Via Negativa, a pedagogical technique more common in continental Europe. That the way to get people to produce the best, original work is to heavily criticise that which is not good or average or unoriginal. Those without talent will fall by the wayside, but those with talent end up producing their best work.
Those who have never experienced it, or who fell by the wayside, won't understand the rewards of working under this technique. But the proof is in the results.
Yeah, I've written more than on TSR back in the old days.
Impossible. You don't even understand the terminology.
They don't run in the background -- They terminate, but stay resident.
Terminate and stay resident doesn't refer to running. It refers to allocating a block of memory, and then returning to the OS.
You'd hook an interrupt and use that to transfer control to your program.
The only way you could possibly not realise you just repeated what I said is that you don't know that IRQs are interrupts.
They don't run in the background
Is a damn stupid thing to say. Code hanging off an IRQ *is* running in the background. How the hell do you imagine threads work at a hardware level?
Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you.
You've wasted time you could have used learning about the stuff you're bluffing about. Did you really think you could get by on Slashdot by buying the bluffer's guide to computers?
Apparently I don't need to. Your MO is that it's not necessary to back up what you say.
Oh, and it's nto a security feature that prevents this type of malware from running on iOS -- as I pointed out, it's their multitasking is just too damn weak to support it! It's the same reason that such spyware wouldn't work on DOS or Windows 3.1
Oh dear me. Your knowledge of DOS and Win 3.1 is as weak as your knowledge of iOS and BB OS. Of course DOS and Win 3.1 had no security, and malware could and did run in the background by using the TSR technique and latching on to IRQs. Were cameras common on computers of that time, this type of malware could very easily have existed on DOS and Win 3.1 machines. Educate yourself on the topic starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminate_and_Stay_Resident
The conservatives opposed Labours National ID card scheme on principle and due to IT cost concerns, and they scrapped it as soon as they got power. And now they launch their own National ID scheme based on mobile phones. Obviously they are far worse. Hypocrites of the first order.
Says the guy who thought it was worth posting a story alleging there was not much of a queue outside one particular Apple Store when the iPhone 5 came out.
Cue the fandroids switch from "Apple's overworked and badly treated workers" to "Apple putting people out of work". Even though in both cases it's Foxconn and Foxconn also make Androids.
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Your use of "pretty smartphone" and failure to acknowledge any of the many other innovations that Jobs was responsible for just confirms the point I made about your view being an emotional one, rather than one based on facts.
In my book, scientific functional work is far more important that design work.
Then you've got a stupid book that tries to make a class hierarchy of roles that are all essential. Without designers there are no products.
Why are we having these discussion?
Because the other poster is correct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_Olds
Ford didn't invent the assembly line. He refined it. Just as Jobs did with many technologies.
Your respect for Henry Ford and disdain for Steve Jobs is not based on true facts. It's your emotional response which you are trying and failing to justify.
It was necessary to remove "legacy ports" for USB to function?
No, it was necessary to remove legacy ports to push peripheral manufacturers to make their devices that used USB. You may not remember, but those peripherals didn't arrive when there was a USB spec, or when a small number of people bought USB expansion cards. They arrived because of the G3 iMac. You could even see what prompted them by looking at them. The first wave of USB devices came in translucent candy coloured cases.
[citation needed]
"The iMac was the first computer to exclusively offer USB ports as standard,[2] including the connector for its new keyboard and mouse,[3] thus abandoning previous Macintosh peripheral connections, such as the ADB, SCSI and GeoPort serial ports."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3
the party you presumably support
If you're guessing any of the big 3, you're wrong. However...
Depends which Govt really, doesn't it. The one that invents evidence to invade Iraq, locks up people for reading out the names of the Iraqi dead at the Cenotaph, passes two laws which can abolish Parliament with Parliament debating it probably isn't a good one to trust.
...just confirms my comment about NO2ID being a Tory front.
He said introduce, and that's what he meant. The iMac was the first computer with a USB port as standard. USB was already around as a plug in card, and because of that was rarely used, and that meant there were few USB peripherals. Apple making USB the standard port on iMacs is what encouraged manufacturers to make peripherals, and made USB a success.
Had Apple not done it, another PC manufacturer might have. But they wouldn't have done the other necessary step of removing the legacy ports.
âoeMost people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. Thatâ(TM)s not what we think design is. Itâ(TM)s not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works.â
-- Steve Jobs.
Jobs refined the design of smartphones and made them popular. I've stated that in my first comment. I just don't think it compares to the the inventors the summary was mentioning.
That's odd, because refining and popularising rather than inventing is exactly what Henry Ford did with the automobile and Walt Disney did with animation.
I have seen whole groups of graduate students run for the hills because their adviser treated them like this.
First point worth marking is that not every harsh teacher is teaching Via Negativa. Most of them aren't. When done properly, students know that the criticism isn't of them as people, or of their work in general, but of the specific work that's been presented to the teacher at that point. Done right, the student knows the teacher cares for them and wants the best from them.
I was not the only person who came out of that course a better engineer: everyone came out better, regardless of their talents or innate abilities.
Right. That's the mainstream teaching ideal: for everyone to improve, to be better than they were. No child left behind and all that. And for sure that's what most teaching should be, because most students don't have exceptional talents. Via Negativa is for those aiming to be amongst the best in the world. For example: Top class sportsmen are trained this way.
Going back to the major topic, creative jobs at Apple are for people who are amongst the best at their specialism in the world. Most people would do better to work for a less demanding company.
I have been on the receiving end of that and I can tell you it is a terrible teaching method. I ended up quitting the class and taking the final exam separately, where I got top marks on my own.
The fact that the end result for you was an exam means that you didn't go through what I'm describing at all. Or if you did, your goal wasn't high enough. The technique is intended to produce exceptional creative people, not people who can learn enough conventional thinking to pass an exam.
Given hard work, pretty much anyone can do well in an exam. It's not an arbiter of talent. Creating outstanding original work is.
How about avoiding a method that has such a high chance of harming students and instead let the motivated ones get on with learning.
How about choosing a teacher or establishment that meets your needs. Going back to the original topic, people choose to accept a creative job at Apple, knowing standards are high, and that average work isn't good enough and won't be tolerated. It's a high pressure environment for highly talented people. One that the right people find deeply rewarding. But it's not for everybody.
Well, you know what They say: those who can, do.
And what the saying misses out on is that teaching *IS* doing. Teaching is a skill that requires talent. There are good, bad and exceptional teachers. The same goes for leadership.
I never met, let alone worked for Steve Jobs, but I did have a teacher that outsiders might have described like this:
"But he also spent many pages chronicling the arrogant, cruel behavior of a complicated figure who could inspire people one minute and demean them the next. According to the book, Jobs would often berate employees whose work he didn't like. He was notoriously difficult to please and viewed people and products in black and white terms. They were either brilliant or 'sh-t.'"
(Substituting student for employee, and work for product. And note this was a teacher of adults, not children.)
The outsider would be wrong in thinking that the teacher didn't care about his students - he wanted the best for them. It's that he taught Via Negativa, a pedagogical technique more common in continental Europe. That the way to get people to produce the best, original work is to heavily criticise that which is not good or average or unoriginal. Those without talent will fall by the wayside, but those with talent end up producing their best work.
Those who have never experienced it, or who fell by the wayside, won't understand the rewards of working under this technique. But the proof is in the results.
Yeah, I've written more than on TSR back in the old days.
Impossible. You don't even understand the terminology.
They don't run in the background -- They terminate, but stay resident.
Terminate and stay resident doesn't refer to running. It refers to allocating a block of memory, and then returning to the OS.
You'd hook an interrupt and use that to transfer control to your program.
The only way you could possibly not realise you just repeated what I said is that you don't know that IRQs are interrupts.
They don't run in the background
Is a damn stupid thing to say. Code hanging off an IRQ *is* running in the background. How the hell do you imagine threads work at a hardware level?
Anyhow, I've wasted enough time on you.
You've wasted time you could have used learning about the stuff you're bluffing about. Did you really think you could get by on Slashdot by buying the bluffer's guide to computers?
Finally an Android that is both fit for purpose and not a copy of an iPhone.
Prove your claim.
Apparently I don't need to. Your MO is that it's not necessary to back up what you say.
Oh, and it's nto a security feature that prevents this type of malware from running on iOS -- as I pointed out, it's their multitasking is just too damn weak to support it!
It's the same reason that such spyware wouldn't work on DOS or Windows 3.1
Oh dear me. Your knowledge of DOS and Win 3.1 is as weak as your knowledge of iOS and BB OS. Of course DOS and Win 3.1 had no security, and malware could and did run in the background by using the TSR technique and latching on to IRQs. Were cameras common on computers of that time, this type of malware could very easily have existed on DOS and Win 3.1 machines. Educate yourself on the topic starting here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminate_and_Stay_Resident
The mystery of Android's high market share but low browser share is finally solved.
When you're in a hole, dig ever faster. Excellent. More!
I respect a man who can admit his own hypocrisy. Well done.
Never say never. You might get a better paying job.
In fact as a former regional co-ordinator of NO2ID, I can point out that NO2ID were consulted and have approved this scheme.
Proof positive that NO2ID were a front of the Tory party all along.
Notably, all data is held by a trusted third party.
... with the dumb ass idea that private enterprise is to be trusted where government is not.
The conservatives opposed Labours National ID card scheme on principle and due to IT cost concerns, and they scrapped it as soon as they got power. And now they launch their own National ID scheme based on mobile phones. Obviously they are far worse. Hypocrites of the first order.
Says the guy who thought it was worth posting a story alleging there was not much of a queue outside one particular Apple Store when the iPhone 5 came out.
http://slashdot.org/submission/2268975/of-the-17-people-line-up-to-buy-the-first-retail-iphone-5-15-were-marketers
A man obviously not troubled by his hypocrisy.
Ask the Luddites.
Cue the fandroids switch from "Apple's overworked and badly treated workers" to "Apple putting people out of work". Even though in both cases it's Foxconn and Foxconn also make Androids.
Honestly, why are you willfully remaining ignorant?
Why have you still got nothing more than ad-hominems?
The answer is far more complicated than "My phone is too shitty to handle the app".
The true answer is dead easy. "No security feature on BB would stop this kind of spyware. Unlike iOS."