Not a fair comparison. The history of laptops has had replaceable parts, TV's never have.
I congratulate you on your youth. In the 70s and earlier, TVs used to go wrong about once a year. Most people of course called out an engineer to fix them. But geeks fixes their own. Usually it was a valve that was blown, and it was easy to diagnose - soot on the glass. All the valves were in sockets, so you could pull it out and replace it. Easy as replacing a lightbulb. But a LOT more dangerous. There were voltages in there that could kill you.
Also resistors often blew. Again easy to diagnose by the missing component surrounded by soot. Fix for those was usually to replace the board - yes they were VERY serviceable by being modular. And then the blown component was often fixed back at the workshop and recycled.
What kind of a factor that's going to affect development or photography?
The limited number of writes isn't going to cause corruption. It's just that after a long time - years - the capacity will start to decline, as some cells aren't writable any more.
And in any case, regardless of drive technology you are making backups are you not? Any disk technology could suffer complete failure.
Time moves on. It's the iPad of laptops. You decide on capacity at the time you buy it. People aren't complaining about the non-upgradability of iPads.
In much the same way, you don't buy a car with a small engine and then upgrade it to a large engine. You trade it in if you need that bigger engine.
How many user replaceable parts has your TV got? What's that you say? A little louder. None! So does that make you a fool too?
The fool is the person that didn't realise that computers will go the same way as every other technology. More advanced, more integrated, more miniaturised, less user serviceable.
There doesn't have to be a court decision, it Apple looked at the patent and saw that it was indeed infringing. Why would they leave themselves open to being sued further down the line?
If you want to believe I have burgers in my pants or something that's cool... The problems with B&W G3 Rev.1 data corruption are well-documented
So you had a problem with a computer 15 years ago. You need to stop obsessing about it. If you're not going to get modded troll, you're going to be modded off-topic.
But what if Apple sees that there IS infringement. Doing the right thing involves obeying the spirit of the law. It's also the way to minimise future legal costs.
You're mistaken. First of all no one said anything about iCloud. The iTunes app is what we're talking about. When you buy an app from the store on a Mac or PC, a copy of the app remains on the Mac or PC. If you buy it on an iOS device, next time you sync, the Mac or PC gets a copy.
And that copy remains there, regardless of whether Apple remove the app from the App Store, or how many backups you do, or whether you upgrade the iTunes app.
Any future iOS devices that you use with the same account ID will get a copy of that app when you first sync it.
That's the facts. Now what part are you disputing?
And there lies one of Androids biggest problems. Let's replace developer in your text with malware creator.
It would only have been the same if the MALWARE CREATOR pulled it (which they did not) the app store pulling it on android would have made no difference to people's ability to get, update, or upgrade the malware. On Android only a malware creator can make it impossible to get their own malware. Nobody can go after a middleman and stop the whole chain like they do on Apple. (and in this case the malware creator has not pulled the malware, nor does it seem they have any intention to before the patent suit is settled)
It's all very well Android making it easy for people to evade the law, until it comes and bites everyone on the ass.
All that you say is true. However you're missing the point. Apple is a potential target of being sued too for selling the app. If they themselves believe that it is indeed a patent infringement, they are wise to stop doing the infringement to save themselves from legal repercussions later.
Just because you COULD knowingly disregard patent law until you are served with an injunction doesn't mean you should.
There is another option; Apple can ask the court or the patent holders for a temporary permission to distribute this to pre-existing owners whilst they wait for the court case to be resolved.
What's the point? Pre-existing owners already have the app. Apple haven't wiped it from people's devices or backups. They've just removed it from their store.
For this I wish I could become religeous so I could believe they would rot in hell.
Oh stop being overemotional and irrational. Did you know that Apple's iOS devices are the most accessible of any mainstream computing device? That the inbuilt apps are all completely operatable by blind people? Up to and including blind people taking photographs (The photo app can say if there is a face in shot, and where about in the shot the face is.) And that this is all supported for third party apps too, if the developers choose to follow the guidelines.
I know a number of old Android apps won't work on new versions of Android (yes, I'm aware we're not talking about Android, but I have even less faith in Apple maintaining compatibility).
Then you're in the realm of religion. You know the device you use has a problem, so you assume the problem must be worse on the other device, even though you have no evidence of it.
Second hand hardware is only available for a reasonably short period, in the grand scheme of things.
Depends what you mean by the grand scheme of things. You can still buy Apple IIs on ebay. So she'd probably OK till the kid is in her mid 30s. But it's hard to see her not having developed past the product she was using at 3 years old by then. And in any case, any patents will long since have expired to it's hard to see that there won't be a current solution then.
Really, it is impossible to rationally accept this emotional tabloid "think of the children" story. There's more holes than Swiss cheese.
I'm not familiar with Apple's software, would this restore the exact OS version you were using along with any apps even if they have been withdrawn from the appstore?
No. I mean that the second hand device she bought from eBay would have an older version of iOS on, and she could restore the app (and any associated data) using the iTunes app.
So you could restore from an old backup or install an old IOS version in that case.
Actually, that's one thing you couldn't do. Once you've upgraded an iOS device, it's not possible to downgrade it again. It's a measure to make life difficult for jailbreakers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm up for a bit of civil disobedience myself. But we really don't want to be encouraging corporations to disobey the law, now do we.
No. By law, any person who makes, uses, offers or sells something that is protected by a current patent, or who imports into the United States anything that is protected by a current patent, is guilty of patent infringement.
They don't only start infringing patents after a court has said so.
I have absolutely no compassion for these people who chose to support a proprietary software ecosystem that they KNOW is run by fascists who care only about money.
"fascists" doesn't man what you think it means. Oh, and by the rest of your rant, I think you probably forgot to take the medication this morning.
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How many parts of my TV are things which I would conceivably want to upgrade?
Who said anything about upgrade? We were just talking about user-replacable. And a big reason for that is that the part is faulty.
Not a fair comparison. The history of laptops has had replaceable parts, TV's never have.
I congratulate you on your youth. In the 70s and earlier, TVs used to go wrong about once a year. Most people of course called out an engineer to fix them. But geeks fixes their own. Usually it was a valve that was blown, and it was easy to diagnose - soot on the glass. All the valves were in sockets, so you could pull it out and replace it. Easy as replacing a lightbulb. But a LOT more dangerous. There were voltages in there that could kill you.
Also resistors often blew. Again easy to diagnose by the missing component surrounded by soot. Fix for those was usually to replace the board - yes they were VERY serviceable by being modular. And then the blown component was often fixed back at the workshop and recycled.
What kind of a factor that's going to affect development or photography?
The limited number of writes isn't going to cause corruption. It's just that after a long time - years - the capacity will start to decline, as some cells aren't writable any more.
And in any case, regardless of drive technology you are making backups are you not? Any disk technology could suffer complete failure.
Every year? No that's phones. Every 3-5 years perhaps for Apple laptops.
By that argument nothing is an engineering marvel.
And yet "current generation components" have to appear for the first time in something. And here it is.
The technology in this laptop is a fair jump from what was available yesterday. I'd say it qualifies.
Time moves on. It's the iPad of laptops. You decide on capacity at the time you buy it. People aren't complaining about the non-upgradability of iPads.
In much the same way, you don't buy a car with a small engine and then upgrade it to a large engine. You trade it in if you need that bigger engine.
How many user replaceable parts has your TV got?
What's that you say? A little louder. None!
So does that make you a fool too?
The fool is the person that didn't realise that computers will go the same way as every other technology. More advanced, more integrated, more miniaturised, less user serviceable.
Ah, the old "non-user replaceable battery" complaint. Didn't fly with the iPod 10 years ago. Still doesn't fly now.
Oh give me a fucking break. The LEM was an engineering marvel. The Roman aqueducts were an engineering marvel.
And the engineering in the new MBP is way better than either of those, so it MUST be an engineering marvel.
There doesn't have to be a court decision, it Apple looked at the patent and saw that it was indeed infringing. Why would they leave themselves open to being sued further down the line?
If you want to believe I have burgers in my pants or something that's cool... The problems with B&W G3 Rev.1 data corruption are well-documented
So you had a problem with a computer 15 years ago. You need to stop obsessing about it. If you're not going to get modded troll, you're going to be modded off-topic.
even if there is no actual infringement.
But what if Apple sees that there IS infringement. Doing the right thing involves obeying the spirit of the law. It's also the way to minimise future legal costs.
You're mistaken. First of all no one said anything about iCloud. The iTunes app is what we're talking about. When you buy an app from the store on a Mac or PC, a copy of the app remains on the Mac or PC. If you buy it on an iOS device, next time you sync, the Mac or PC gets a copy.
And that copy remains there, regardless of whether Apple remove the app from the App Store, or how many backups you do, or whether you upgrade the iTunes app.
Any future iOS devices that you use with the same account ID will get a copy of that app when you first sync it.
That's the facts. Now what part are you disputing?
And there lies one of Androids biggest problems. Let's replace developer in your text with malware creator.
It would only have been the same if the MALWARE CREATOR pulled it (which they did not) the app store pulling it on android would have made no difference to people's ability to get, update, or upgrade the malware. On Android only a malware creator can make it impossible to get their own malware. Nobody can go after a middleman and stop the whole chain like they do on Apple. (and in this case the malware creator has not pulled the malware, nor does it seem they have any intention to before the patent suit is settled)
It's all very well Android making it easy for people to evade the law, until it comes and bites everyone on the ass.
Which amounts to the same thing genius.
No really check out the definitions. It might make you smarter.
It takes one update to break something and if you need an update to keep your device working properly you are going to update it.
If my device is working with my all important app today, why is it going to stop working tomorrow if I don't install that OS update?
If my fear is that OS updates are going to break my app, why would I install the OS update?
Hmm... it may need more than a dictionary to make you smart.
All that you say is true. However you're missing the point. Apple is a potential target of being sued too for selling the app. If they themselves believe that it is indeed a patent infringement, they are wise to stop doing the infringement to save themselves from legal repercussions later.
Just because you COULD knowingly disregard patent law until you are served with an injunction doesn't mean you should.
There is another option; Apple can ask the court or the patent holders for a temporary permission to distribute this to pre-existing owners whilst they wait for the court case to be resolved.
What's the point? Pre-existing owners already have the app. Apple haven't wiped it from people's devices or backups. They've just removed it from their store.
For this I wish I could become religeous so I could believe they would rot in hell.
Oh stop being overemotional and irrational. Did you know that Apple's iOS devices are the most accessible of any mainstream computing device? That the inbuilt apps are all completely operatable by blind people? Up to and including blind people taking photographs (The photo app can say if there is a face in shot, and where about in the shot the face is.) And that this is all supported for third party apps too, if the developers choose to follow the guidelines.
Use a dictionary to check the different definitions of "generally" and "never".
I know a number of old Android apps won't work on new versions of Android (yes, I'm aware we're not talking about Android, but I have even less faith in Apple maintaining compatibility).
Then you're in the realm of religion. You know the device you use has a problem, so you assume the problem must be worse on the other device, even though you have no evidence of it.
Second hand hardware is only available for a reasonably short period, in the grand scheme of things.
Depends what you mean by the grand scheme of things. You can still buy Apple IIs on ebay. So she'd probably OK till the kid is in her mid 30s. But it's hard to see her not having developed past the product she was using at 3 years old by then. And in any case, any patents will long since have expired to it's hard to see that there won't be a current solution then.
Really, it is impossible to rationally accept this emotional tabloid "think of the children" story. There's more holes than Swiss cheese.
I'm not familiar with Apple's software, would this restore the exact OS version you were using along with any apps even if they have been withdrawn from the appstore?
No. I mean that the second hand device she bought from eBay would have an older version of iOS on, and she could restore the app (and any associated data) using the iTunes app.
So you could restore from an old backup or install an old IOS version in that case.
Actually, that's one thing you couldn't do. Once you've upgraded an iOS device, it's not possible to downgrade it again. It's a measure to make life difficult for jailbreakers.
Don't get me wrong, I'm up for a bit of civil disobedience myself. But we really don't want to be encouraging corporations to disobey the law, now do we.
No. By law, any person who makes, uses, offers or sells something that is protected by a current patent, or who imports into the United States anything that is protected by a current patent, is guilty of patent infringement.
They don't only start infringing patents after a court has said so.
I believe every statement I made in this post.
Ah right. It's the "I'm not a troll, I'm mentally ill" defense.
I have absolutely no compassion for these people who chose to support a proprietary software ecosystem that they KNOW is run by fascists who care only about money.
"fascists" doesn't man what you think it means. Oh, and by the rest of your rant, I think you probably forgot to take the medication this morning.
New iOS versions don't typically make existing software stop working. But if it's that important to her then she doesn't have to update the OS.
Really, we're supposed to be pandering to emotional fears of what may happen in the future? To make an exception to the law on the basis of it?
Ridiculous.