And a "not trying to troll" back at you, but I've used both AMD and Intel at home (seems every office PC I've used has been Intel) and never had a problem. I run a webserver, both SQL and Oracle DB's on them, do all of my side gig development on them. I have to admit I did once have a mobo problem, but that was an aBit KT-7 RAID board, which turns up in google all the time with problems. I turned it into a pretty cool looking wall clock.
I actually have a K6-2 (400 MHz) still running at home, as a matter of fact. My "fastest" is an Athlon XP 1900 (time to upgrade again)... never a problem with any of them.
I wonder, then, what the difference between your experience and mine is? Do you typically buy the top of the line or one-offs? I usually stick to one-off's regarding performance, and I wonder if you've been experiencing newest run problems.
they take police from their real job and priority number one which is keeping the peace
I just have to add a slight correction to your comment. A police officer's job isn't actually to keep the peace, rather to respond to less than peaceful actions, and to enforce law. They're actually different if you look at them syntactically.
I have to say that, although I don't agree with the parent of your thread, I also don't agree that corporations will redistribute their savings. Rather, they'll all pay their exec's a larger bonus for saving so much money, and they'll all buy a 3rd/4th house and a 5th Mercedes.
Interesting thought. However, it would also do away with nice perks like 401k/403b, defined benefit plans, etc... If there were a way to make up for that shortage in retirement planning, "it's just so crazy it might work!"
Think of it as income redistribution. Global taxes, as it were.
That's way off. Those that are redistributing income actually still have income. The problem here is it's not cheapening developers so much as it's making them completely unemployed. Check with the IRS as to how much tax is paid by those that are unemployed.
In the US, services make up 80% of GDP compisition. That's because anything else a skilled developer could do has already been outsourced for the most part. Meanwhile, cheap labor goes mostly to aliens here. Even been to an interview where someone told you that you're overqualified for the job? Look for that to happen more and more often as jobs developers are qualified for land in another country.
Do you remember the Cheers episodes where Norm had to start laying people off? He ran out of people to lay off, and he was in turn.... laid off.
Greedy corporations have had to start focusing on short term earnings because that's what the market and shareholders see. Most of them seem to not care anymore about longterm effects... not only to our economy but to their own well being as well. As fewer people here can afford their products, programming is slowly becoming more expensive to outsource to the current countries. Unfortunately, there are other countries down the road, but there are only 290MM of us... I think we're getting the short end of the stick on this one.
Interesting point. You're funding I-10 all the way from Jacksonville to Los Angeles, but have you driven it in it's entirety?
There are a good many things that are of benefit to this country that are funded with public dollars. How many times in your lifetime have you had to call the police of firemen? Generally speaking, you're not using them, but you're paying for them anyway. Lighting on public streets you never drive on, trash collections in neighborhoods you don't visit, etc...
Libraries are, IMHO, one of the stongest cases for use of public dollars. Folks who can't afford to go to Barnes and Noble can still read, use encyclopedias, and in most cases access the internet for information.
There will always be complaints about public dollars being spent on things individuals don't use (public schools for childless people). Those dollars aren't necessarily spent on you, but are spent on the infrastructure and education of your area as a whole, and that can only be a good thing.
Thanks for the link... I haven't read it yet, but I will today, and I appreciate the information.
The only point I was trying to make was that there is still some doubt about big bang. And point out that doubt does not make a person a creationist.
I do have a question regarding galaxy collision, as you're a physicist and I'm not. If galaxies were to collide given big bang as a truth, wouldn't that happen much earlier? It would seem to me (layman) that since directly after the big bang, all objects were much closer together. As time goes by and they continue to spread apart from the source, they all get further apart from each other.
You're right about slightly outdated data, and I posted in another thread that I'm relegated to a hobbyist when it comes to other sciences (than computer) these days. There are other holes in big bang, and I didn't want to post something that would drag on... no big deal really. All I was trying to point out was that guy who immediately flashed the "creationist" card when someone questioned big bang was off his rocker.
a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory
Are we reading the same material? There are some key words there... not yet verified, if true, experimental testing.
Your post indicates either a lack of understanding of the term blah blah blah...
No, it indicates a command of my mother tongue, which happens to be English. I read that with no slant whatsoever, and found it to bear a definition that describes something that's taken as close to true, but has yet to be proven completely so.
And I wonder why you keep asking wether I'm a creationist or not? It really doesn't matter wether I am or not, since our discussion is based on definition and semantics, rather than actual beliefs. You seem to want to be able to point a finger and say "Oh, look! I knew it! You're a creationist, so everything you say must be based on myth and not fact!"
By the way, I am not a creationist. I am someone, however, who reads everything I can about a subject before I try to pose an arguement about it. In my reading I have found several reasons to not fully embrace big bang theory. That neither makes me a creationist nor someone who tries to confuse the lay public into thinking that a theory is a wild guess.
There is a lot of truth to that as I'm a professional software developer, and only a hobbyist when it comes to other sciences anymore.
There is now a consistent model of cosmology (the 'Concorance Model') which, although it has obvious gaps, explains basically every known observation.
Something that has obvious gaps couldn't possibly explain anything, it can merely suggest it. There are many more holes in blg bang theory than I posted earlier (if everything is moving away from the center, how can galaxies collide.. etc....) but they are still holes in the theory.
That's what I meant. Maybe this person has posted creationist views before, but there was nothing in his/her recent post that was creationist. It's not only true that the big bang theory (read: theory) is in question, but even evolution has it's flaws, albeit smaller flaws than big bang. Either way, they're both still theories.
Just because proving them wrong would aid the creationists views does not mean that showing disbelief in either makes you a creationist.
It might seem strange to you, but it's possible to have doubts regarding the Big Bang theory, yet not be a creationist. I know, sounds crazy (isn't that what this is about?), but it's true. Grote Reber suggests the Big Bang theory is wrong because the cosmological red shift is due to the Compton effect rather than the Doppler effect. The Big Bang theory has many holes that have yet to be solved, some of which are...
There are observed objects older than the suggested 10-15 billion years ago that big bang happened, including Stars and globular clusters in our galaxy
Measurements of the uranium content of stars has produced a minimum age of the universe of at least 12 billion years, whereas the best measurements of Hubble's constant produce an age of 10 billion years
our galaxy is rotating at a speed that only permits from 45 to 60 rotations since the big bang, which (according to Mitchell) is not a long enough time for it to achieve its spiral shape
There are some very large chains of galaxies spread throughout the universe. It is believed these large structures, like the "great wall", would require many hundreds of billions of years to form.
I have no doubt that American diplomats exerted plenty of pressure on their European colleagues behind closed doors
I have serious doubt that the United States has any ability currently to apply pressure to more than two or three countries in the EU. That was proven when we could not get a consensus approval from most European countries to move into Iraq.
That's what puzzles me most. It's not our (USA) toy, why should we own the remote? Of course, the EU ought to be ashamed of itself for caving to such a request. If I were standing in a line and asked a guy in front of me for $1000 and he gave it to me, who's the idiot?
With the exception of agriculture and services, the US usually runs a deficit globally. This has been going on since the 50's. The dollar is extremely cyclical, more so after the early 70's when it was completely taken off of any precious metal standard.
Maybe that's the problem.. I think our DB's are on 8.0, though I have to admit since I don't have DBA privelages, I haven't paid that much attention to which release.
I wonder, though, about this comment...
Oracle offers a huge featureset above and beyond what SQL Server offers
Got any examples? I haven't seen anything that I can't do with SQL Server other than the nice exception handling in PL/SQL (although being able to do a SELECT TOP 1 query like t-SQL would be nice).
You can guarantee it's still in use somewhere, along with COBOL, 8088's, IBM System 36's, any development software written by CA, token rings, and dumb terminals.
I'm not trying to be a karma whore here, but wouldn't it be a fairly silly idea to try to rob a place where self defense and hand/foot to head combat is taught?
To me that sounds like trying to break into a prison.
And, I would assume, still operate visibly in a normal way. I know that's used on home alarms, but the thought of applying that to bank/credit cards never crossed my mind, which makes me feel pretty stupid.
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And a "not trying to troll" back at you, but I've used both AMD and Intel at home (seems every office PC I've used has been Intel) and never had a problem. I run a webserver, both SQL and Oracle DB's on them, do all of my side gig development on them. I have to admit I did once have a mobo problem, but that was an aBit KT-7 RAID board, which turns up in google all the time with problems. I turned it into a pretty cool looking wall clock.
I actually have a K6-2 (400 MHz) still running at home, as a matter of fact. My "fastest" is an Athlon XP 1900 (time to upgrade again)... never a problem with any of them.
I wonder, then, what the difference between your experience and mine is? Do you typically buy the top of the line or one-offs? I usually stick to one-off's regarding performance, and I wonder if you've been experiencing newest run problems.
I dunno, it just makes me curious.
they take police from their real job and priority number one which is keeping the peace
I just have to add a slight correction to your comment. A police officer's job isn't actually to keep the peace, rather to respond to less than peaceful actions, and to enforce law. They're actually different if you look at them syntactically.
I have to say that, although I don't agree with the parent of your thread, I also don't agree that corporations will redistribute their savings. Rather, they'll all pay their exec's a larger bonus for saving so much money, and they'll all buy a 3rd/4th house and a 5th Mercedes.
Interesting thought. However, it would also do away with nice perks like 401k/403b, defined benefit plans, etc... If there were a way to make up for that shortage in retirement planning, "it's just so crazy it might work!"
but they didn't complain in /. either
Maybe because they employ Indian workers?
Think of it as income redistribution. Global taxes, as it were.
That's way off. Those that are redistributing income actually still have income. The problem here is it's not cheapening developers so much as it's making them completely unemployed. Check with the IRS as to how much tax is paid by those that are unemployed.
In the US, services make up 80% of GDP compisition. That's because anything else a skilled developer could do has already been outsourced for the most part. Meanwhile, cheap labor goes mostly to aliens here. Even been to an interview where someone told you that you're overqualified for the job? Look for that to happen more and more often as jobs developers are qualified for land in another country.
Do you remember the Cheers episodes where Norm had to start laying people off? He ran out of people to lay off, and he was in turn.... laid off.
Greedy corporations have had to start focusing on short term earnings because that's what the market and shareholders see. Most of them seem to not care anymore about longterm effects... not only to our economy but to their own well being as well. As fewer people here can afford their products, programming is slowly becoming more expensive to outsource to the current countries. Unfortunately, there are other countries down the road, but there are only 290MM of us... I think we're getting the short end of the stick on this one.
The $2 a day worker who's purchasing parity is much higher in his country because of the weakening dollar...
Interesting point. You're funding I-10 all the way from Jacksonville to Los Angeles, but have you driven it in it's entirety?
There are a good many things that are of benefit to this country that are funded with public dollars. How many times in your lifetime have you had to call the police of firemen? Generally speaking, you're not using them, but you're paying for them anyway. Lighting on public streets you never drive on, trash collections in neighborhoods you don't visit, etc...
Libraries are, IMHO, one of the stongest cases for use of public dollars. Folks who can't afford to go to Barnes and Noble can still read, use encyclopedias, and in most cases access the internet for information.
There will always be complaints about public dollars being spent on things individuals don't use (public schools for childless people). Those dollars aren't necessarily spent on you, but are spent on the infrastructure and education of your area as a whole, and that can only be a good thing.
Thanks for the link... I haven't read it yet, but I will today, and I appreciate the information.
The only point I was trying to make was that there is still some doubt about big bang. And point out that doubt does not make a person a creationist.
I do have a question regarding galaxy collision, as you're a physicist and I'm not. If galaxies were to collide given big bang as a truth, wouldn't that happen much earlier? It would seem to me (layman) that since directly after the big bang, all objects were much closer together. As time goes by and they continue to spread apart from the source, they all get further apart from each other.
You're right about slightly outdated data, and I posted in another thread that I'm relegated to a hobbyist when it comes to other sciences (than computer) these days. There are other holes in big bang, and I didn't want to post something that would drag on... no big deal really. All I was trying to point out was that guy who immediately flashed the "creationist" card when someone questioned big bang was off his rocker.
a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory
Are we reading the same material? There are some key words there... not yet verified, if true, experimental testing.
Your post indicates either a lack of understanding of the term blah blah blah...
No, it indicates a command of my mother tongue, which happens to be English. I read that with no slant whatsoever, and found it to bear a definition that describes something that's taken as close to true, but has yet to be proven completely so.
And I wonder why you keep asking wether I'm a creationist or not? It really doesn't matter wether I am or not, since our discussion is based on definition and semantics, rather than actual beliefs. You seem to want to be able to point a finger and say "Oh, look! I knew it! You're a creationist, so everything you say must be based on myth and not fact!"
By the way, I am not a creationist. I am someone, however, who reads everything I can about a subject before I try to pose an arguement about it. In my reading I have found several reasons to not fully embrace big bang theory. That neither makes me a creationist nor someone who tries to confuse the lay public into thinking that a theory is a wild guess.
You are a couple of years behind the times.
There is a lot of truth to that as I'm a professional software developer, and only a hobbyist when it comes to other sciences anymore.
There is now a consistent model of cosmology (the 'Concorance Model') which, although it has obvious gaps, explains basically every known observation.
Something that has obvious gaps couldn't possibly explain anything, it can merely suggest it. There are many more holes in blg bang theory than I posted earlier (if everything is moving away from the center, how can galaxies collide.. etc....) but they are still holes in the theory.
That's what I meant. Maybe this person has posted creationist views before, but there was nothing in his/her recent post that was creationist. It's not only true that the big bang theory (read: theory) is in question, but even evolution has it's flaws, albeit smaller flaws than big bang. Either way, they're both still theories.
Just because proving them wrong would aid the creationists views does not mean that showing disbelief in either makes you a creationist.
- There are observed objects older than the suggested 10-15 billion years ago that big bang happened, including Stars and globular clusters in our galaxy
- Measurements of the uranium content of stars has produced a minimum age of the universe of at least 12 billion years, whereas the best measurements of Hubble's constant produce an age of 10 billion years
- our galaxy is rotating at a speed that only permits from 45 to 60 rotations since the big bang, which (according to Mitchell) is not a long enough time for it to achieve its spiral shape
- There are some very large chains of galaxies spread throughout the universe. It is believed these large structures, like the "great wall", would require many hundreds of billions of years to form.
Read up a little before you laugh and pointOoooohhhh... I wish I had mod points for you.
I have no doubt that American diplomats exerted plenty of pressure on their European colleagues behind closed doors
I have serious doubt that the United States has any ability currently to apply pressure to more than two or three countries in the EU. That was proven when we could not get a consensus approval from most European countries to move into Iraq.
That's what puzzles me most. It's not our (USA) toy, why should we own the remote? Of course, the EU ought to be ashamed of itself for caving to such a request. If I were standing in a line and asked a guy in front of me for $1000 and he gave it to me, who's the idiot?
With the exception of agriculture and services, the US usually runs a deficit globally. This has been going on since the 50's. The dollar is extremely cyclical, more so after the early 70's when it was completely taken off of any precious metal standard.
8i R3 (8.1.7)
Maybe that's the problem.. I think our DB's are on 8.0, though I have to admit since I don't have DBA privelages, I haven't paid that much attention to which release.
I wonder, though, about this comment...
Oracle offers a huge featureset above and beyond what SQL Server offers
Got any examples? I haven't seen anything that I can't do with SQL Server other than the nice exception handling in PL/SQL (although being able to do a SELECT TOP 1 query like t-SQL would be nice).
Haha! If I had any mod points you'd get a +1 Funny on that!
You can guarantee it's still in use somewhere, along with COBOL, 8088's, IBM System 36's, any development software written by CA, token rings, and dumb terminals.
I'm not trying to be a karma whore here, but wouldn't it be a fairly silly idea to try to rob a place where self defense and hand/foot to head combat is taught?
To me that sounds like trying to break into a prison.
And, I would assume, still operate visibly in a normal way. I know that's used on home alarms, but the thought of applying that to bank/credit cards never crossed my mind, which makes me feel pretty stupid.
Is it just plain sad that I've never thought of that, nor have I ever heard of that? It's a novel idea.