It's only our freedom of speech at stake after all. Let the ISPs decide what is a valid venue for speech, I say. Those perverts on Usenet and AOL and IRC and WWW deserve to be censored. Why, there was a time when I was a kid when you could GIS without safesearch and still not be assaulted by the Porn. They're only trying to make the Internet safe for the Children. We need and Internet Czar to teach oversee what's appropriate -- and maybe a great firewall that doesn't pass encrypted traffic or all this smut and incidentally dissenting opinions that benefits no honest citizen.
And maybe cameras in the front of every cable box and some mandatory programming would be a good idea too. The people need to be educated on what and how to think after all and their conformance to accepted standards should be monitored in some way so that it can be rewarded.
Scary, isn't it? Unless we carefully condense the steam even geothermal energy doesn't solve global warming. And at present, we don't.
me <- geothermal fan
But we have to be aware of the consequences of everything. We can breed our way out of the benefits of geothermal energy in under a century even if we condense the steam.
My son could recite the alphabet at 12 months. He could read before 2yrs and as a reward got his own PC. He can take it apart and put it back together again without assistance now. He's four. An outgoing kid who loves to meet new friends, curious about how things work. We'll be working on physics, chemistry and rockets starting in the fall. Next year we'll start on logic and programming, classic literature and the arts.
I feel sorry for him in some ways. In two years when he starts elementary school he's in for the shock of his young life. He's going to spend most of his life thinking most people are retarded when in fact average people are, well, average. His little sister is on the same track.
Yes, by all means fix it at home. Fix it in the school. Accommodate the less able. Whatever you do though, don't avoid serving the hyper capable. We really do need the apogee of their potential if we are to find the way forward.
It's not a laptop but they're available. My friend brought in an Intel Atom "desktop" motherboard today. 64 bit. Dual SATA. Two channels of IDE. Onboard video. Hyperthreading. Windows XP-64 bit ran just fine when he added his 1GB stick of DDR2. 1.6GHz. ESX wouldn't install easily. Ubuntu Hardy didn't support the onboard NIC (yet?). $83 delivered MB + CPU. We'll both be buying several more. We haven't tried Xen or other distros yet -- Intel gifted a platform specific one of course.
The CPU has no fan. It pulls a max of 2 1/2 Watts. Even with Folding@home running the CPU heatsink was to touch indistinguishable from ambient. I can't wait to swap the MCH cooler with a video card cooler on the low profile version, add a SDHC->IDE converter, sub the PSU for a Pico-PSU and see how small a box I can fit it in. It would make a great robotics controller, thin client or car backbone to support media playback, GPS apps, file and cellular wifi sharing and heavy browsing. There's a smaller form factor board you can use that fits in the box your playing cards came in but I don't feel like diddling with LVDS video and I don't need 'em that small. There's already a British hosting vendor leasing racks of these for cheap because the cost and power requirements are low. I guess that's so they can fill out the caverns left by their power sucking but very dense server->bladeserver project and because the thing is dirt cheap.
That's all the review I've got after one day. More later.
This is the platform the next billion users are going to use to join us on the Internet. Many of them have money. Few of them have Watts. Trust me, we don't want them to build out the Watts.
But don't buy it to run Vista on. That's a non starter.
Apparently you can play Crysis from an eee pc, with good detail and decent frame rates. All that's required is some special software that gives something similar to remote desktop to your kilowatt gaming rig.
It's sick and we shouldn't encourage it, but there it is. Unless you have Vista. It doesn't work with Vista (of course).
If you can do that then all other potential arguments about the mini laptops being under powered are just nonsense.
This has been the death knell for OEM Linux at Walmart.
What are you smoking? Linux at Walmart is not dead at all. They have a ton of systems available online like this $300 laptop and this $200 desktop. I have the desktop. It works fine and it doesn't suck the power from the wall like most of the PCs you buy these days.
I've even seen linux products on the shelf at the local Walmart from time to time. Go in the software section and some of the boxes even have penguins on 'em.
Walmart doesn't carry products that don't move a lot of units. So, again, are you confused?
The system I learned to write APL on was 4.5" diagonal measure, 128 characters wide by 25 lines tall monochrome text (no graphics). AFAIK the longest well-written program in APL extant still fits on that screen. For detail view it had a Left64/128/Right64 switch.
It had Basic, too. For basic we debugged with printouts. That's still a good idea if you're programming in BASIC, which is not.
50MB.iso for installation or to run as a live CD. It fits on a business card form factor CD. That's not just the OS. It's the OS, the Window Environment, all of the applications - to include multiple browsers (yes firefox!), chat, VOIP, spreadsheet, email client. A fully functional network OS with Server or Client profiles with advanced package management to add your favorite debian applications. Last major release July 2008.
Runs on (gasp) A 80486 with 16MB of RAM. Do you remember when that was an enterprise server costing $10,000+? Some of us do. Runs well on a P50 with 48MB or better. That is to say the software is modular and well integrated. The OS doesn't consume more resources than is required. Getting nostalgia yet? It makes a great base for virtual machines.
That's what I consider the low end of usable. And you? How many gigglehurts does it take to recalc your checkbook spreadsheet?
Do you know how they get all of that into such small requirements? They care. That's all. They just care. Is it that hard to care?
Generally speaking if it's from a company on this list, or a subsidiary (VMWare is a subsidiary of EMC), then it's not free without sufficient other assurances like the GPL to protect you from their audits.
By installing software from this company you acknowledge you understand that we're a 90% owned subsidiary of EMC, a BSAmember company and our auditors can come in to bankrupt you at any time if you can't prove on the spot that the license is valid."
Is there anything else you need to know about this? Really?
A painting of a picture is not a copy. A set of numbers that might, if carefully translated according to a specific algorithm, produce a different but somewhat similar sound is not a copy either. In fact, with a decent string of random numbers and sufficient time to search out the algorithms, that one string of random numbers can be translated to sound quite like all the music ever recorded.
Same for movies. Transcoded content is a new work. This is opinion, net legal advice. If you want legal advice call a lawyer.
Moore's law means whatever Gordon Moore means it does this week. It's more of a general idea or a visionary goal than an hard mathematical theorem. That said, Intel's darned good at delivering it, whatever it means. Except for those whole Itanium and Netburst fiascos. Nobody's perfect.
Moore's law has been the name given to everything that changes exponentially. I say, if Gore invented the Internet,[14] I invented the exponential.
Microsoft isn't investing $500,000,000 in a disinformation campaign because there's no trend. There's a trend and they want to turn it.
I think the quality of Vista is only part of the story.
You nailed that one. There's also partner apathy, application and infrastructure architecture incompatibilities, and the utter lack of compelling features to make the effort worthwhile.
But there is a window here of opportunity for corporate and open source competitors, if they can get their shit together and not blow it like IBM did with OS/2 in 1993-94.
IBM's error was partnering with Microsoft. Microsoft "knifed the baby." Everybody knows now that partnering with Microsoft is not the way to achieve dominance in the market because they alwaysknife the baby.
It seems you've attracted the anonymous coward defenders of Redmond. You're getting painfully close to the truth.
This is total and utter bullshit. I can guarantee that you're repeating something you've heard or a perception you have and none of that lies in ACTUAL EXPERIENCE.
Actually, no... what you're assuming is that your experience is the only "real" one. Maybe you got lucky and got the sweetest chipset driver. You probably don't remember it being dog slow for the first few days while it did its indexing deal. You may have the lowest end platform that Vista likes. Or your name is Amir and you're typing this from Microsoft's Bangalore blogging center -- who knows?
This was my experience and everyone's will vary.
There you go. Your mileage may vary. All these other people aren't lying. They just didn't get lucky like you did. And now they can't, because you didn't tell them specifically which low end platform this was. That wasn't very helpful of you. Are you just teasing us or what?
When considering Vista people need to be informed by as diverse a group as possible in order to come to an informed decision. Some maybe prefer try the experience on someone else's computer before they risk their own money - and then buy the computer that ran it how they liked rather than risking their experience on the luck of the draw when so many are complaining about drawing the bitter pill.
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It's only our freedom of speech at stake after all. Let the ISPs decide what is a valid venue for speech, I say. Those perverts on Usenet and AOL and IRC and WWW deserve to be censored. Why, there was a time when I was a kid when you could GIS without safesearch and still not be assaulted by the Porn. They're only trying to make the Internet safe for the Children. We need and Internet Czar to teach oversee what's appropriate -- and maybe a great firewall that doesn't pass encrypted traffic or all this smut and incidentally dissenting opinions that benefits no honest citizen.
And maybe cameras in the front of every cable box and some mandatory programming would be a good idea too. The people need to be educated on what and how to think after all and their conformance to accepted standards should be monitored in some way so that it can be rewarded.
* raises hand *
[thanx to some other slashdot poster who used this today]
Scary, isn't it? Unless we carefully condense the steam even geothermal energy doesn't solve global warming. And at present, we don't.
me <- geothermal fan
But we have to be aware of the consequences of everything. We can breed our way out of the benefits of geothermal energy in under a century even if we condense the steam.
My son could recite the alphabet at 12 months. He could read before 2yrs and as a reward got his own PC. He can take it apart and put it back together again without assistance now. He's four. An outgoing kid who loves to meet new friends, curious about how things work. We'll be working on physics, chemistry and rockets starting in the fall. Next year we'll start on logic and programming, classic literature and the arts.
I feel sorry for him in some ways. In two years when he starts elementary school he's in for the shock of his young life. He's going to spend most of his life thinking most people are retarded when in fact average people are, well, average. His little sister is on the same track.
Yes, by all means fix it at home. Fix it in the school. Accommodate the less able. Whatever you do though, don't avoid serving the hyper capable. We really do need the apogee of their potential if we are to find the way forward.
It's not a laptop but they're available. My friend brought in an Intel Atom "desktop" motherboard today. 64 bit. Dual SATA. Two channels of IDE. Onboard video. Hyperthreading. Windows XP-64 bit ran just fine when he added his 1GB stick of DDR2. 1.6GHz. ESX wouldn't install easily. Ubuntu Hardy didn't support the onboard NIC (yet?). $83 delivered MB + CPU. We'll both be buying several more. We haven't tried Xen or other distros yet -- Intel gifted a platform specific one of course.
The CPU has no fan. It pulls a max of 2 1/2 Watts. Even with Folding@home running the CPU heatsink was to touch indistinguishable from ambient. I can't wait to swap the MCH cooler with a video card cooler on the low profile version, add a SDHC->IDE converter, sub the PSU for a Pico-PSU and see how small a box I can fit it in. It would make a great robotics controller, thin client or car backbone to support media playback, GPS apps, file and cellular wifi sharing and heavy browsing. There's a smaller form factor board you can use that fits in the box your playing cards came in but I don't feel like diddling with LVDS video and I don't need 'em that small. There's already a British hosting vendor leasing racks of these for cheap because the cost and power requirements are low. I guess that's so they can fill out the caverns left by their power sucking but very dense server->bladeserver project and because the thing is dirt cheap.
That's all the review I've got after one day. More later.
This is the platform the next billion users are going to use to join us on the Internet. Many of them have money. Few of them have Watts. Trust me, we don't want them to build out the Watts.
But don't buy it to run Vista on. That's a non starter.
Apparently you can play Crysis from an eee pc, with good detail and decent frame rates. All that's required is some special software that gives something similar to remote desktop to your kilowatt gaming rig.
It's sick and we shouldn't encourage it, but there it is. Unless you have Vista. It doesn't work with Vista (of course).
If you can do that then all other potential arguments about the mini laptops being under powered are just nonsense.
What are you smoking? Linux at Walmart is not dead at all. They have a ton of systems available online like this $300 laptop and this $200 desktop. I have the desktop. It works fine and it doesn't suck the power from the wall like most of the PCs you buy these days.
I've even seen linux products on the shelf at the local Walmart from time to time. Go in the software section and some of the boxes even have penguins on 'em.
Walmart doesn't carry products that don't move a lot of units. So, again, are you confused?
A $130 PC would be "useful" for personal UAV applications, among others. Not everybody wants to play WOW.
The system I learned to write APL on was 4.5" diagonal measure, 128 characters wide by 25 lines tall monochrome text (no graphics). AFAIK the longest well-written program in APL extant still fits on that screen. For detail view it had a Left64/128/Right64 switch.
It had Basic, too. For basic we debugged with printouts. That's still a good idea if you're programming in BASIC, which is not.
My lawn. Get off it.
To DSL.
50MB .iso for installation or to run as a live CD. It fits on a business card form factor CD. That's not just the OS. It's the OS, the Window Environment, all of the applications - to include multiple browsers (yes firefox!), chat, VOIP, spreadsheet, email client. A fully functional network OS with Server or Client profiles with advanced package management to add your favorite debian applications. Last major release July 2008.
Runs on (gasp) A 80486 with 16MB of RAM. Do you remember when that was an enterprise server costing $10,000+? Some of us do. Runs well on a P50 with 48MB or better. That is to say the software is modular and well integrated. The OS doesn't consume more resources than is required. Getting nostalgia yet? It makes a great base for virtual machines.
That's what I consider the low end of usable. And you? How many gigglehurts does it take to recalc your checkbook spreadsheet?
Do you know how they get all of that into such small requirements? They care. That's all. They just care. Is it that hard to care?
I know why this is modded funny.
We laugh because we dare not cry.
We used to call it "software."
That was a better day. It was long ago.
Really... get off my lawn.
For "nothin' left to lose."
Apologies to Kris Kristofferson
Generally speaking if it's from a company on this list, or a subsidiary (VMWare is a subsidiary of EMC), then it's not free without sufficient other assurances like the GPL to protect you from their audits.
For example, this counts a lot to some people.
Is there anything else you need to know about this? Really?
A painting of a picture is not a copy. A set of numbers that might, if carefully translated according to a specific algorithm, produce a different but somewhat similar sound is not a copy either. In fact, with a decent string of random numbers and sufficient time to search out the algorithms, that one string of random numbers can be translated to sound quite like all the music ever recorded.
Same for movies. Transcoded content is a new work. This is opinion, net legal advice. If you want legal advice call a lawyer.
Use the chat channels or log your guidance against the posting credit ticket.
And stay away from the OP. He's compulsive about rebuttals, posts links that reverse your message and he's always favorably moderated. Avoid.
Little Boy at roughly 14 Kilotons was less than a gram of energy actually. Energy is really light. A TON of it would be quite a lot.
Yeah, pedantic. I know.
Toynbee Tiles.
Moore's law means whatever Gordon Moore means it does this week. It's more of a general idea or a visionary goal than an hard mathematical theorem. That said, Intel's darned good at delivering it, whatever it means. Except for those whole Itanium and Netburst fiascos. Nobody's perfect.
- Gordon Moore (by way of .)
I tried to type "information". :-) Baby on lap. You know how it is.
Microsoft isn't investing $500,000,000 in a disinformation campaign because there's no trend. There's a trend and they want to turn it.
You nailed that one. There's also partner apathy, application and infrastructure architecture incompatibilities, and the utter lack of compelling features to make the effort worthwhile.
IBM's error was partnering with Microsoft. Microsoft "knifed the baby." Everybody knows now that partnering with Microsoft is not the way to achieve dominance in the market because they always knife the baby.
It seems you've attracted the anonymous coward defenders of Redmond. You're getting painfully close to the truth.
And short on dollars, long on debt is the opposite. How about that? We all speculate on futures.
Actually, no... what you're assuming is that your experience is the only "real" one. Maybe you got lucky and got the sweetest chipset driver. You probably don't remember it being dog slow for the first few days while it did its indexing deal. You may have the lowest end platform that Vista likes. Or your name is Amir and you're typing this from Microsoft's Bangalore blogging center -- who knows?
There you go. Your mileage may vary . All these other people aren't lying. They just didn't get lucky like you did. And now they can't, because you didn't tell them specifically which low end platform this was. That wasn't very helpful of you. Are you just teasing us or what?
When considering Vista people need to be informed by as diverse a group as possible in order to come to an informed decision. Some maybe prefer try the experience on someone else's computer before they risk their own money - and then buy the computer that ran it how they liked rather than risking their experience on the luck of the draw when so many are complaining about drawing the bitter pill.