"If will not bother replying to any further post you make, because I think you missed the opportunity for a rational discussion to take place."
Well thank you for that. It allows me to rape your words as I will, which I will forthwith.
Wow, a Valve fan. Kinda like an Apple fan. I really don't know how to answer to this, because there is nothing to answer to. I'll try to rephrase my last post, even though I know it is a waste of time.
I'm not even a game player, let alone a Valve fan. My kids had to tell me what Valve was. I took it upon myself to learn the history and provenance, but as far as I know, I've never played a Valve game, nor any on Steam. I've bought a few for my kids though, so perhaps I'm partially responsible for this problem. Since I'm not involved in any of these games though, I can't be called biased toward or against them.
symbolset: Since Steam will stop working on Windows, Valve is doing this to protect us...
This is better phrased as "If Steam stops working on Windows, it will still work on the Steam box. Valve controls the Steam Box. They don't control Windows."
caithsith01: I can still run programs written 15 years ago on Windows. Why would Steam stop working?
All the programs that don't compete with Microsoft's core products still run, unless they use functions that had to be deprecated to make competing applications not run.
Go ahead and think that. Go ahead and think you can take Steam's customers away by breaking their engine on your OS. And find what you get. Steam customers are primarily gamers and they don't have any OS or platform loyalty whatsoever. They would adopt BEOS or OS/2 if the game ran in it an they got better ping times.
I was there, and I was a Democrat. Carter was one of the most disastrous presidents the US has ever had. His economic ideas were directly responsible for a huge recession that cost my parents their house and forced me out of my home at 12 years old (28% mortgage rates on my parents' variable rate mortgage? Are you fucking kidding?).
Reagan was a dangerous man. Reagan WAS fucking crazy. Fortunately for us, a Fucking Crazy president was just what we needed at that time to scare the SHIT out of anybody who might make trouble. We elected him and the world shut the fuck up for long enough for us to get our shit back together. The only guy stupid enough to try to be more crazy was Qaddafi, and that didn't end well for Qaddafi.
Funny thing: Reagan probably didn't even know where he was the whole time, and he was STILL a better president than Carter. Toward the end the actor came out and he was acting as if he was President on a set when actually he WAS the president.
/Fun times. Scared the shit out of me. I was in the US military at the time. Spent the whole time thinking the End was near. But it worked out and I didn't have to go to some far place and meet unpleasant people who wanted to kill me.
//Love Carter's work since. But as a President he was a disaster.
A Steam box is a platform owned by Valve. They control its destiny. This control is important to them, and to the gamers who entrust them with their money. This control ensures that the platform can't be yanked out from under them, depriving their customers of their investment and ruining their good name.
It seems that just five persons' Google Fiber upload bandwidth is far more than enough to saturate every TWC and Comcast download cap in the US. All of KC Google fiber is overkill by thousands of times.
You say that you're paying $45 per month for a current bandwidth you don't say what it is, and you're promised no caps and throttling for 15/2 Mbit but don't have it yet. And you think that your ISP promising to upgrade you now to 15/2 from your present capacity is unrelated to Google's symmetric gigabit for $70 offer (67/500 Times as much as you're promised but haven't seen yet), except that you're happy.
I don't know what to say. Yukon? Kivalina? Where the hell are you that this seems like a bad deal? Can I have some of that tea?
You might want to have your doctor adjust your dosage. I can't quite make out what you're trying to say. You wouldn't happen to be in Denver, would you?
Sergey Brin was seriously digging on the Google Fiber boss during open discussions about this. "If we had honored those terms of our own ISP in the beginning, there would be no Google." The guy's answer: Legal says we have to put that in the text. We don't have to enforce it. Take it up with Legal.
Valve's Steam is 90% of all Windows PC game sales. This is Valve moving as many of these games to an own-brand console as they can so as to preserve continuity for their customers.
Um, they put it on the server too. Tiles with Facebook and Twitter integration on your Domain and Exchange servers. How is that not worse than the tablet interface on the desktop?
I'm not OK with seizing their lines. I don't think that's OK - to take their stuff. I'm OK with laying fiber over their lines, and obsoleting the stuff they wouldn't upgrade with reasonably modern stuff. We don't want their retro stuff anyway. That would be like taking out their trash. Cable companies don't have exclusive rights to any rights-of-way that I know of.
If there is some US place that an Internet provider has been sold exclusive access to public infrastructure for the purpose of network transport I would like to learn of it. The public officials responsible should be in prison.
The long and inglorious history of Microsoft killing their most successful ISVs to take their customers is a part of the public courts record. It is not a disputable nor debatable thing. Microsoft considers the broad realm of ISVs an orchard where they can pluck the finest fruit, leaving the rest to ripen or rot.
The Windows app store is a move to cut off Valve's "air supply". Steam is an app store.
You do know that Gabe Newell used to work for Microsoft, and knows how they play this game, don't you? When he was there he worked this to his advantage and now that he's competing with them he's working his understanding of the way they do things to his advantage also.
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Yes. I have tried them. I'll ridicule them more in depth later. But for now, this will do.
When the Steambox players are using your PC ass for Freshmeat you'll move over right quick.
"If will not bother replying to any further post you make, because I think you missed the opportunity for a rational discussion to take place."
Well thank you for that. It allows me to rape your words as I will, which I will forthwith.
Wow, a Valve fan. Kinda like an Apple fan. I really don't know how to answer to this, because there is nothing to answer to. I'll try to rephrase my last post, even though I know it is a waste of time.
I'm not even a game player, let alone a Valve fan. My kids had to tell me what Valve was. I took it upon myself to learn the history and provenance, but as far as I know, I've never played a Valve game, nor any on Steam. I've bought a few for my kids though, so perhaps I'm partially responsible for this problem. Since I'm not involved in any of these games though, I can't be called biased toward or against them.
symbolset: Since Steam will stop working on Windows, Valve is doing this to protect us...
This is better phrased as "If Steam stops working on Windows, it will still work on the Steam box. Valve controls the Steam Box. They don't control Windows."
caithsith01: I can still run programs written 15 years ago on Windows. Why would Steam stop working?
All the programs that don't compete with Microsoft's core products still run, unless they use functions that had to be deprecated to make competing applications not run.
Also, the way they do things in this regard seems not to have changed in 20 years.
No, really, it's not funny. Nor fun. But it is true.
GabeN is protecting his customers because he cares about them. I know this whole "caring" idea is alien to you, but some of us think it's important.
Also, your algorithm seems to have found an asymptote. You might want to have that looked at.
Ah, for lack of a "d"
Go ahead and think that. Go ahead and think you can take Steam's customers away by breaking their engine on your OS. And find what you get. Steam customers are primarily gamers and they don't have any OS or platform loyalty whatsoever. They would adopt BEOS or OS/2 if the game ran in it an they got better ping times.
I was there, and I was a Democrat. Carter was one of the most disastrous presidents the US has ever had. His economic ideas were directly responsible for a huge recession that cost my parents their house and forced me out of my home at 12 years old (28% mortgage rates on my parents' variable rate mortgage? Are you fucking kidding?).
Reagan was a dangerous man. Reagan WAS fucking crazy. Fortunately for us, a Fucking Crazy president was just what we needed at that time to scare the SHIT out of anybody who might make trouble. We elected him and the world shut the fuck up for long enough for us to get our shit back together. The only guy stupid enough to try to be more crazy was Qaddafi, and that didn't end well for Qaddafi.
Funny thing: Reagan probably didn't even know where he was the whole time, and he was STILL a better president than Carter. Toward the end the actor came out and he was acting as if he was President on a set when actually he WAS the president.
/Fun times. Scared the shit out of me. I was in the US military at the time. Spent the whole time thinking the End was near. But it worked out and I didn't have to go to some far place and meet unpleasant people who wanted to kill me.
//Love Carter's work since. But as a President he was a disaster.
Actually knowing I'm doing business with Steam rather than some random guy on the Internet eases my mind about entering my credit card number.
About 90%
Steam sells 90% of Windows games by dollars. If they migrate away from Windows it's Game Over for Microsoft.
A Steam box is a platform owned by Valve. They control its destiny. This control is important to them, and to the gamers who entrust them with their money. This control ensures that the platform can't be yanked out from under them, depriving their customers of their investment and ruining their good name.
Yeah, Microsoft killed OnLive. Don't give up hope.
Stanford was the experiment. They learned there what it costs. KC is about learning other things: uptake, legal issues, ramping human resources.
It seems that just five persons' Google Fiber upload bandwidth is far more than enough to saturate every TWC and Comcast download cap in the US. All of KC Google fiber is overkill by thousands of times.
Cultures change slow.
You say that you're paying $45 per month for a current bandwidth you don't say what it is, and you're promised no caps and throttling for 15/2 Mbit but don't have it yet. And you think that your ISP promising to upgrade you now to 15/2 from your present capacity is unrelated to Google's symmetric gigabit for $70 offer (67/500 Times as much as you're promised but haven't seen yet), except that you're happy.
I don't know what to say. Yukon? Kivalina? Where the hell are you that this seems like a bad deal? Can I have some of that tea?
You might want to have your doctor adjust your dosage. I can't quite make out what you're trying to say. You wouldn't happen to be in Denver, would you?
Sergey Brin was seriously digging on the Google Fiber boss during open discussions about this. "If we had honored those terms of our own ISP in the beginning, there would be no Google." The guy's answer: Legal says we have to put that in the text. We don't have to enforce it. Take it up with Legal.
Valve's Steam is 90% of all Windows PC game sales. This is Valve moving as many of these games to an own-brand console as they can so as to preserve continuity for their customers.
Um, they put it on the server too. Tiles with Facebook and Twitter integration on your Domain and Exchange servers. How is that not worse than the tablet interface on the desktop?
I'm not OK with seizing their lines. I don't think that's OK - to take their stuff. I'm OK with laying fiber over their lines, and obsoleting the stuff they wouldn't upgrade with reasonably modern stuff. We don't want their retro stuff anyway. That would be like taking out their trash. Cable companies don't have exclusive rights to any rights-of-way that I know of.
If there is some US place that an Internet provider has been sold exclusive access to public infrastructure for the purpose of network transport I would like to learn of it. The public officials responsible should be in prison.
The long and inglorious history of Microsoft killing their most successful ISVs to take their customers is a part of the public courts record. It is not a disputable nor debatable thing. Microsoft considers the broad realm of ISVs an orchard where they can pluck the finest fruit, leaving the rest to ripen or rot.
The Windows app store is a move to cut off Valve's "air supply". Steam is an app store.
You do know that Gabe Newell used to work for Microsoft, and knows how they play this game, don't you? When he was there he worked this to his advantage and now that he's competing with them he's working his understanding of the way they do things to his advantage also.