Everything. It has everything to do with the absolutist line you took to organized labor - some organized labor did something bad a some point (true or not) so right-wingers form negative stereotypes to be used until the end of time. Lets try the same absolutist reasoning to capitalist businesses, shall we?
BP blew up the Gulf, so all oil companies are bad. MCI Worldcom defrauded investors, so all telecom companies are bad. All the major banks ripped off their investors and shareholdes, so all banks are bad. Remington sold a defective trigger for decades, so all firearm manufacturers are bad. GM killed dozens of people with faulty ignitions, so all car companies are bad. Vioxx killed some people, so all pharmaceuticals are bad.
Then by your reasoning there is 1) No reason to have air quality laws at all
Uh, no, but thanks for beating the false equivalency horse, which is still dead BTW. There some part of the word direct that you're having a hard time with? GM ignitions directly lead to 100+ deaths. Let us know how many VW diesels were used in suicides-by-carbon monoxide. Which would have been no different under gas engines.
I've known about 100 H1-B workers in my career - all but two of them were married, had kids, bought homes, made plenty of consumer purchases
No, they didn't, not in the U.S. I knew there was an anecdote coming but I'd buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge before believing that yarn.
Are you in "IT" and not software development?
You say that as if it would make a difference. If my coworkers and I have to compete with a shop in India, that's one thing - but having my own government import, as a matter of deliberate policy, foreign workers to come into our shop (and lower wages in the process) is an entirely different kettle of corporatist fish.
A fifty year old speech from MLK is apropos, just change "white moderate" to "liberal":
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice..."
This is the line of thinking that leads people to be more outraged by whistleblowers than they are by the fact that their taxpayer dollars are supporting boy-fucking on military bases - a practice revealed by Wikileaks.
You're running that Obamabot crap up the wrong flagpole, son. This is the same president that can out-conservative Reagan any day of the weak. Reagan publicly stated - repeatedly - that Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. Yet Obama appointed his Catfood Commission (because the only thing seniors could afford to eat after it was cat food) to reduce the deficit centered around those who want to cut Social Security.
Reagan granted amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants. Obama deported them in record numbers. Reagan withdrew from Lebanon. Obama arranged to continue Afghanistan occupation until after his predecessor's predecessor. Reagan signed arms reduction treaties with the USSR. Obama started a trillion dollar upgrade program of America's nuclear arsenal. Reagan signed a treaty requiring the prosecution of those who commit torture. Obama immunized officials from torture and other crimes against humanity. Obama started a war without Congressional authorization Obama repealed habeas corpus with an NDAA Obama wanted to re-legalize whaling when there isn't even a whaling industry to pander to
I could go on all day, Obamabot. You might want to put the shovel down now.
Actually my views are the opposite of elitism. Rather than believing a select few are privy to special knowledge unavailable to others, I believe in the collective intelligence of everyone.
Suuuuure you do, after saying Americans would get paid more if they "deserved" more. In a time where the government has, as a policy, to import more workers to increase the size of the skilled labor pool, lowering costs for corporations in the process. As designed.
A teacher in my state set up cameras above and under a female student's desk. He got a paid vacation for the rest of the year followed by a payoff to keep him from fighting his termination.
Uh huh. Even if I buy your story - which I don't as any DA would be happy to prosecute that teacher as a stalking sex offender - your anecdote meets my anecdote:
I used to work at a company that was so against organized labor that it made Wal-Mart look pro-union. And yet there was this old codger who literally said to a young female employee:
"I'd like to RAPE the SHIT out of you."
And nothing happened to him. Nothing. So what does that prove - that non-union shops should be banned? Let's try your absolutist logic to business rather than just organized labor:
Because of MCI Worldcom, all telecommunications companies are bad. Because of Arthur Anderson, all account firms are bad. Because of killer GM ignitions, all car companies are bad. Because of Blackwater, all military contractors are bad. Because of Bush, all Republicans are bad. Because of Obama, all Democrats are bad. Because of BP, all oil companies are bad.
But nobody would be that fucking idiotic when it comes to business. But people are that willfully stupid, all the time, when it comes to labor. Who would only increase your wages & benefits & vacation time. What gives?
Pardon means no crime happened, no record. I can imagine some form of clemency after a conviction, but no pardon up front. The evidence for Manning was pretty much available on WikiLeaks.
And and in other news, my cough hasn't gone away yet, your protestations to the contrary.
Look at you wind yourself up and let yourself go. When you decide to discuss things rationally let me know.
Says the person who who thinks whistleblowing is an unforgivable crime, but boy-fucking is just a distraction from the conversation. Let me know when you actually care about violations of the law. In the meantime, your tax dollars continue to support boy-fucking. Enjoy.
There is no such thing as a "private" extradition request, because by definition they have to be presented in a foreign court
Dude. The time to put down the shovel was three posts ago. This is the same government that has had an "extraordinary rendition" practice under both Democratic and Republican presidents. You know, kidnapping people from across the world and taking them to black sites, sometimes to be tortured directly by the CIA, sometimes to friendly nations like Syria - until they are on our shit list.
So for a directly related example, where was the public extradition request for al-Zari and Agiza? Feel free to put down the shovel at any time.
relevant article: Report: Schools Are Teaching Kids To Hate America Under The Guise Of 'Civics'
LOL. For real. The USG was set up as an elitist institution, with power limited to property owners (and amplified for slave owners) from the get go. You're as sad as a creationist whining that teaching the theory of evolution in science class == schools are teaching kids to hate god.
Maybe you missed it the first time: there is no US extradition request for Julian Assange.
No public request. You think the same government that has been tapping your phones without warrants for the better part of two decades hasn't talked to the UKG about Assange if they get their hands on him? The same government that grounded another plane - carrying another head of state - to search for Snowden in case he was bound for Bolivia?
Oookay. Then you should send me all your credit card and bank account information, right now. I have this sweetheart deal on some oceanfront property in Wisconsin and I'd hate for you to lose out on it, before you send the rest of your life savings to that Nigerian prince you've been getting emails about.
You mean like how Obama's courageous announcement to close the Arctic to drilling means (somehow) didn't open it for drilling in the first place? Or how Hillary lied about being lied to about Saddam's WMD's, so she didn't vote for the Iraq war. Because reasons.
Why are gays bundled with transpeople? They are not remotely similar. Being gay is a manner of attraction, which you develop as part of your subconscious by subconsciously rejecting your biological drive to reproduce. Being trans equates to denying your DNA. You're quite literally rejecting your body. You wouldn't tell someone suffering from bulimia that they do look fat, nor should you tell someone suffering from thinking they're the opposite gender. Clearly, they're really the other gender that requires a lifetime of medicine to sustain.
Are you even listening to yourself? Your rant against trans people employs the exact same reasoning that is employed against gay people, with a couple words switched around.
Also, pretending that a 2-year old is actually picking their gender is bizarre.
Yes, it is bizarre that you would bring up something like that.
just like people do not deserve to get rhinoplasty at taxpayer expense
Wow. I didn't think you'd actually take the bait and reveal yourself to be a depraved, utterly mindless goostepping fool. It's like handing Trump a microphone, asking him what he thinks of Obama, and then picking your jaw off the floor three minutes and 150 uses of the word n***** later.
Protip: the next time you're asked about your tax dollars supporting boy-fucking and other crimes against humanity, you might try saying something to the effect that, "well, of course I want those people imprisoned in Fort Leavenworth next to Manning."
Assanage's offer was always empty, given that the US isn't after him
And if you believe that, how many times have you lost your life savings trying to rescue Nigerian princes?
So this was always a stunt.
Unless he surrenders to the Brits and the first thing they do is haul him off to the nearest U.S. occupation base to be stuffed on a transport plane, rather than hand him over to Swedish authorities. Thus revealing the rape allegations to have been a joke the entire time.
But with Snowden ----he is still sitting on a lot of material
But he's not sitting on any material, he gave it all to Greenwald & co. You think someone as smart as Snowden would be as stupid as to hold onto materials when every intelligence agency in the world would be happy to beat the password out of him?
The funny part is that there has been no US extradition request for Julian Assange.
No. The "funny" part will be if he surrenders to the Brits, who hand him over to the USG rather than Sweden. Thus proving the rape allegations were a farce, a mere pretext to get him arrested and extradited to the United States.
Unless you were being serious on the no extradition request? In which case you're insulting your own intelligence as well as our own, as it's an open secret that there is a sealed indictment against Assange.
Now either Assange gives himself up and is made an example of (resulting in the insurance file password going public), or he reneges on his promise (either claiming his account was hacked, or that commutation didn't meet his requirements for 'clemency'.)
That and show that the rape allegations were a farce to begin with, if he surrenders to the Brits and is handed over to the USG rather than Sweden.
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Everything. It has everything to do with the absolutist line you took to organized labor - some organized labor did something bad a some point (true or not) so right-wingers form negative stereotypes to be used until the end of time. Lets try the same absolutist reasoning to capitalist businesses, shall we?
BP blew up the Gulf, so all oil companies are bad.
MCI Worldcom defrauded investors, so all telecom companies are bad.
All the major banks ripped off their investors and shareholdes, so all banks are bad.
Remington sold a defective trigger for decades, so all firearm manufacturers are bad.
GM killed dozens of people with faulty ignitions, so all car companies are bad.
Vioxx killed some people, so all pharmaceuticals are bad.
And so on.
Uh, no, but thanks for beating the false equivalency horse, which is still dead BTW. There some part of the word direct that you're having a hard time with? GM ignitions directly lead to 100+ deaths. Let us know how many VW diesels were used in suicides-by-carbon monoxide. Which would have been no different under gas engines.
It was indeed - idiot.
No, they didn't, not in the U.S. I knew there was an anecdote coming but I'd buy shares in the Brooklyn Bridge before believing that yarn.
You say that as if it would make a difference. If my coworkers and I have to compete with a shop in India, that's one thing - but having my own government import, as a matter of deliberate policy, foreign workers to come into our shop (and lower wages in the process) is an entirely different kettle of corporatist fish.
By allies? You think there wouldn't be consequences if Greece was caught tapping Obama's Blackberry? This is hand waiving.
But if they do something about it, then we should ramp up for WWIII.
A fifty year old speech from MLK is apropos, just change "white moderate" to "liberal":
This is the line of thinking that leads people to be more outraged by whistleblowers than they are by the fact that their taxpayer dollars are supporting boy-fucking on military bases - a practice revealed by Wikileaks.
You're running that Obamabot crap up the wrong flagpole, son. This is the same president that can out-conservative Reagan any day of the weak. Reagan publicly stated - repeatedly - that Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. Yet Obama appointed his Catfood Commission (because the only thing seniors could afford to eat after it was cat food) to reduce the deficit centered around those who want to cut Social Security.
Reagan granted amnesty to millions of undocumented immigrants.
Obama deported them in record numbers.
Reagan withdrew from Lebanon.
Obama arranged to continue Afghanistan occupation until after his predecessor's predecessor.
Reagan signed arms reduction treaties with the USSR.
Obama started a trillion dollar upgrade program of America's nuclear arsenal.
Reagan signed a treaty requiring the prosecution of those who commit torture.
Obama immunized officials from torture and other crimes against humanity.
Obama started a war without Congressional authorization
Obama repealed habeas corpus with an NDAA
Obama wanted to re-legalize whaling when there isn't even a whaling industry to pander to
I could go on all day, Obamabot. You might want to put the shovel down now.
Suuuuure you do, after saying Americans would get paid more if they "deserved" more. In a time where the government has, as a policy, to import more workers to increase the size of the skilled labor pool, lowering costs for corporations in the process. As designed.
Uh huh. Even if I buy your story - which I don't as any DA would be happy to prosecute that teacher as a stalking sex offender - your anecdote meets my anecdote:
I used to work at a company that was so against organized labor that it made Wal-Mart look pro-union. And yet there was this old codger who literally said to a young female employee:
"I'd like to RAPE the SHIT out of you."
And nothing happened to him. Nothing. So what does that prove - that non-union shops should be banned? Let's try your absolutist logic to business rather than just organized labor:
Because of MCI Worldcom, all telecommunications companies are bad.
Because of Arthur Anderson, all account firms are bad.
Because of killer GM ignitions, all car companies are bad.
Because of Blackwater, all military contractors are bad.
Because of Bush, all Republicans are bad.
Because of Obama, all Democrats are bad.
Because of BP, all oil companies are bad.
But nobody would be that fucking idiotic when it comes to business. But people are that willfully stupid, all the time, when it comes to labor. Who would only increase your wages & benefits & vacation time. What gives?
It unquestionably is, unless you're an authoritarian who DGAF about Constitutional protections or the consent of the governed.
And and in other news, my cough hasn't gone away yet, your protestations to the contrary.
Says the person who who thinks whistleblowing is an unforgivable crime, but boy-fucking is just a distraction from the conversation. Let me know when you actually care about violations of the law. In the meantime, your tax dollars continue to support boy-fucking. Enjoy.
Dude. The time to put down the shovel was three posts ago. This is the same government that has had an "extraordinary rendition" practice under both Democratic and Republican presidents. You know, kidnapping people from across the world and taking them to black sites, sometimes to be tortured directly by the CIA, sometimes to friendly nations like Syria - until they are on our shit list.
So for a directly related example, where was the public extradition request for al-Zari and Agiza? Feel free to put down the shovel at any time.
At least I'm not the only one that suffers from temporary dyslexia. Cheers. :)
LOL. For real. The USG was set up as an elitist institution, with power limited to property owners (and amplified for slave owners) from the get go. You're as sad as a creationist whining that teaching the theory of evolution in science class == schools are teaching kids to hate god.
As it was dealing in highly classified intelligence, it was all work for the government.
No public request. You think the same government that has been tapping your phones without warrants for the better part of two decades hasn't talked to the UKG about Assange if they get their hands on him? The same government that grounded another plane - carrying another head of state - to search for Snowden in case he was bound for Bolivia?
Oookay. Then you should send me all your credit card and bank account information, right now. I have this sweetheart deal on some oceanfront property in Wisconsin and I'd hate for you to lose out on it, before you send the rest of your life savings to that Nigerian prince you've been getting emails about.
You mean like how Obama's courageous announcement to close the Arctic to drilling means (somehow) didn't open it for drilling in the first place? Or how Hillary lied about being lied to about Saddam's WMD's, so she didn't vote for the Iraq war. Because reasons.
Are you even listening to yourself? Your rant against trans people employs the exact same reasoning that is employed against gay people, with a couple words switched around.
Yes, it is bizarre that you would bring up something like that.
You get your degree in absurd false equivalencies from Ben Shapiro or Pete Hoekstra?
Are you suggesting the only options in prison are torture by solitary confinement or gen pop?
Wow. I didn't think you'd actually take the bait and reveal yourself to be a depraved, utterly mindless goostepping fool. It's like handing Trump a microphone, asking him what he thinks of Obama, and then picking your jaw off the floor three minutes and 150 uses of the word n***** later.
Protip: the next time you're asked about your tax dollars supporting boy-fucking and other crimes against humanity, you might try saying something to the effect that, "well, of course I want those people imprisoned in Fort Leavenworth next to Manning."
And if you believe that, how many times have you lost your life savings trying to rescue Nigerian princes?
Unless he surrenders to the Brits and the first thing they do is haul him off to the nearest U.S. occupation base to be stuffed on a transport plane, rather than hand him over to Swedish authorities. Thus revealing the rape allegations to have been a joke the entire time.
Nope. From your own attempt at pedantry, note the use of the word may, not does or is.
But he's not sitting on any material, he gave it all to Greenwald & co. You think someone as smart as Snowden would be as stupid as to hold onto materials when every intelligence agency in the world would be happy to beat the password out of him?
No. The "funny" part will be if he surrenders to the Brits, who hand him over to the USG rather than Sweden. Thus proving the rape allegations were a farce, a mere pretext to get him arrested and extradited to the United States.
Unless you were being serious on the no extradition request? In which case you're insulting your own intelligence as well as our own, as it's an open secret that there is a sealed indictment against Assange.
That and show that the rape allegations were a farce to begin with, if he surrenders to the Brits and is handed over to the USG rather than Sweden.