This is because NOBODY in Sweden has the power to make that guarantee. This is not Ecuador or some other semi-corrupt state where the president can tell the courts something and they listen.
Red herring. Promising not to extradite someone (diplomatic issue between nations) is not telling the domestic courts how to try or sentence someone.
Here's a guy saying that we should stop paying attention to the fact that he and his team helped deliver to regimes like Iran and North Korea thousands of sensitive documents
Name one way the documents have actually helped Iran or North Korea or actually helped the United States. You were you (or your father) also bleating that the Pentagon Papers 'helped deliver sensitive documents' to the Soviet Union?
no matter the consequences for people under cover or working against oppressive regimes
Nevermind that the Assange-hating DOD can't even come up with a single example of that, of course. And of course nevermind the callous corruption revealed by those documents. What a good little fascist ostrich, you are.
Which charges have been piled against him by which governments? Please be specific.
Leak the sealed indictment from the U.S. and we'll know.
Of course you know you're being a shrill, bleating goat-troll, since no charges have been made against him by any government, only complaints by two women about which police in Sweden simply want to interview him.
Which makes it obvious that the UK ignoring centuries of precedent on diplomatic immunity and the refusal of Sweden or the U.S. to agree to not extradite him to Gitmo is in fact evidence of a witch hunt.
People who rail against day 1 DLC have no idea how releasing a game works.
The nonsense would be a little less obvious if you were making excuses for nickle and diming gamers months after the initial release. But 1 Day? Really?
Who do you think you're kidding?
Because there is no reason Day 1 nickle and diming couldn't be released as part of the original game, when it was developed at the same time.
People who rail against day 1 DLC have no idea how releasing a game works
Or: we've been buying and playing games for decades, so we know that's total nonsense. How it actually works: the game studio cuts features out of a game to make the release date. Before money-grubbing-fucksticks came up with the idea of nickle and diming their customers, this cut content would be released when the main game was complete and the bugs were worked out.
For free. As were small and medium expansions of the game to keep people buying it.
Now, not only are those bug fixes and missing features being turned into paid for "DLC", but games are planned from the beginning to have nickle and dimed bullshit from the first day of release.
"In a statement issued after the Ecuadorean decision to grant Mr Assange political asylum, Mr Hague said the UK was under a "binding obligation" to extradite him to Sweden."
They're willing to throw centuries of tradition on diplomatic immunity out the window because of a "binding obligation" to extradite him.
When he hasn't been charged, his accusers have left the country, and he sought (and was granted) permission to leave Sweden in the first place. If you don't smell something rotten here, you've got a clothespin over your nose...
Krugman is a fine economist, but when he is spreading propaganda, he is like the Rush Limbaugh of the left
Empty ad hom.
So which Krugman are you going to believe?
Double red herring. First, the quotes aren't contradictory. Secondly, you might have a point here if Krugman was saying the real solution to the global economic crisis was to drastically increase unemployment benefits.
Except, of course, that's not what he's doing. He's consistently argued for direct stimulus and direct job creation. This was all proved to be the way the world works in the Great Depression, but also more recently with the Fukishima disaster. Where Japan has had more economic growth than the United States or the European countries being force-fed austerity.
Speaking of, you seemed to skip right on by Krugman's point rather than answer it: that austerity makes things worse, not better.
And it is nationally acknowledge (by neoliberals on both sides of the aisle)
FTFY.
to be a vast improvement over what it was
It's no "improvement" to make millions of poor people even more miserable because you're selling the sophistry that they are poor because they don't want to work.
So how can you call it destroyed?
How can you not. Say Romney and Ryan win the election, and the first thing they do is repeal Social Security and Medicare entirely. And through the wonders of Libertarian Magic Dust, private insurance and 401k's blossom and become great replacements for the two government programs.
Does that mean that Medicare wasn't destroyed? This week in simple answers to simple questions...
On a fair one? Where people aren't treated unequally? Most middle class workers, when their parents die, are established already. They have families, homes, assets of their own. Why should they get an extra home just because of their income status? That said, having some amount of assets exempted from the estate tax isn't the worst idea. I just see it as unnecessary (unless both parents die at a very very early age, say when the child is still in school).
Since you didn't address it the first time:
Again, on what planet is it equal to compare a middle class worker giving a three bedroom house to her oldest child equal to the Walton family being permanently exempt from work because billions are passed down?
The cuts were to Medicare Advantage, which is little more than a kickback to private insurers. Rather than hitting Obama on his actual shenanigans on mandates and estate taxes and backroom deals with Pharma (all of which he opposed in 2008), you guys have to make stupid shit up.
How is that a bad example? It's a fantastic example. It proves that not only can a nonprofit be run in an exceedingly stupid fashion (by bleeding idiot congresses), but also that for-profits can do it better (namely, by reacting more quickly and adjusting to declining markets).
How willfully obtuse can one be? This requirement was passed by public-sector hating Republicans who wanted to gut the post office. If you put a government-hating communist from North Korea in charge of a major corporation would you use the resulting failure as an indictment of corporations in general? Speaking of, by that standard, we should be banning banks and investment firms for crashing the economy three years ago.
Because "destroy" implies "removal" rather than "reform".
On what planet? If a forest fire burned down your house you wouldn't hesitate to use the words "destroyed in a fire" just because your garage was left standing. And of course politicians who want to gut popular programs like Social Security and Medicare do it under the guise of "reform". This is not news.
Welfare was replaced with workfare.
Ryan wants to take a single payer system and replace with vouchers.
Actually, I hate generational wealth transfer of all kinds. Why the hell do you think we have a wealth gap in this country?
So was your sense of proportion reformed at some previous point of your life? Again, on what planet is it equal to compare a middle class worker giving a three bedroom house to her oldest child equal to the Walton family being permanently exempt from work because billions are passed down?
But that's why we have the Estate Tax. Which you must be a big supporter of, reformed sense of proportion and all....
There are just as many nonprofits that are run piss-poorly as ones that are run well (see prime example of bankrupt Postal Service vs successful FedEx/UPS companies with positive profit margins).
Wow, you couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried. The USPS is the only entity in America, private or public, required to fully fund pension and health care benefits 75 years in advance, for workers who haven't even been born yet.
The "bankruptcy" of the Postal Service was an engineered event.
if you can't tell the difference between the candidates, this says more about you than the candidates
Well, sure. On one hand, you have a right wing authoritarian who has no respect for the Constitution or his base, wants more free trade and less regulation, more drilling, wants to slash Social Security, Medicare, and home heating assistance.
And on the other, you have a guy who wont release his tax returns.
if only a few more had voted for gore rather than nader: no massive deficit, no iraq war
9 times as many Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader. And each Gore vote going to Bush was twice as bad for the Democratic ticket as a Gore vote going to Nader.
a tragedy of blind stubborn ignorance
Indeed. So are you going to spend the next 180 years blaming conservative Democrats to make up for the last 10 of blaming liberal voters?
Heard of Greece and Ireland? The latter has really bent over and taken it for the bankers, I mean the team, but austerity measures have been a disaster for their economy.
TANSTAAFL All of the "free to use" things still cost money
No shit, Sherlock. Everyone is perfectly well aware of this already - which is why all the whining over "free lunches" is a diversionary red herring.
and they have to get paid for by someone - and guess who gets to foot the bill? Yes you, the overburdened taxpayer!!!
Because, Sherlock, people without insurance put off care they cannot afford until they have no other choice and go to the Emergency Room, the most expensive care by far. What's cheaper to the taxpayer: forking over a couple hundred bucks so a 24 year old man can see a dentist for a toothache, or thousands of dollars in an ER, only to die anyway?
Low taxes for the benefit of the rich have high costs for everyone else.
By that logic, Clinton destroyed Welfare and then created a new program of some kind (with the same name).
Of course he did. WYP?
A weird way to view life, but hey if it works for you
How is it "weird"? If I took away your house and gave you a tent in it's place would it be "weird" for you to complain about it, since the tent would also keep out the rain?
In the meantime, I'm looking forward to reforming, ermm sorry, destroying healthcare/Medicare.
Because you hate people in the middle class being able to pass down property and assets to their offspring rather than liquidating them to pay for medical care?
Are you kidding? For-profit insurance by definition must take in more premiums than it pays out in claims. Just what do you think that replacing a single-payer system with a for profit system is going to do?
Except: the "baseline" is a shitty economy with a U6 employment rate that has never gone below 14% since the crash in 2009. If the economy improves, the debt outlook is much improved, even if we keep disastrous policies like the Obush Tax Cuts and War on Terror ($1.2+ trillion a year spending on war). What will keep the economy shitty or even make it worse? "Austerity" measures which have been a proven failure in every country that has tried them.
crazyjj (2598719) said "But stacking him up against an insane-right-wing Ayn Rand ideologue who wants to abolish Medicare and Social Security to give tax cuts to the wealthy is a pretty fucking great way to motivate them."
Where's the 'reading Rand = thought crime or mental disease', Slick.
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Red herring. Promising not to extradite someone (diplomatic issue between nations) is not telling the domestic courts how to try or sentence someone.
Name one way the documents have actually helped Iran or North Korea or actually helped the United States. You were you (or your father) also bleating that the Pentagon Papers 'helped deliver sensitive documents' to the Soviet Union?
Nevermind that the Assange-hating DOD can't even come up with a single example of that, of course.
And of course nevermind the callous corruption revealed by those documents. What a good little fascist ostrich, you are.
Leak the sealed indictment from the U.S. and we'll know.
Which makes it obvious that the UK ignoring centuries of precedent on diplomatic immunity and the refusal of Sweden or the U.S. to agree to not extradite him to Gitmo is in fact evidence of a witch hunt.
Go Cardinals!
Care to try again, only with relevant comparisons this time? WTC wasn't an industrial accident, just for starters.
The nonsense would be a little less obvious if you were making excuses for nickle and diming gamers months after the initial release. But 1 Day? Really?
Who do you think you're kidding?
Because there is no reason Day 1 nickle and diming couldn't be released as part of the original game, when it was developed at the same time.
Or: we've been buying and playing games for decades, so we know that's total nonsense. How it actually works: the game studio cuts features out of a game to make the release date. Before money-grubbing-fucksticks came up with the idea of nickle and diming their customers, this cut content would be released when the main game was complete and the bugs were worked out.
For free . As were small and medium expansions of the game to keep people buying it.
Now, not only are those bug fixes and missing features being turned into paid for "DLC", but games are planned from the beginning to have nickle and dimed bullshit from the first day of release.
"In a statement issued after the Ecuadorean decision to grant Mr Assange political asylum, Mr Hague said the UK was under a "binding obligation" to extradite him to Sweden."
They're willing to throw centuries of tradition on diplomatic immunity out the window because of a "binding obligation" to extradite him.
When he hasn't been charged, his accusers have left the country, and he sought (and was granted) permission to leave Sweden in the first place. If you don't smell something rotten here, you've got a clothespin over your nose...
If you think that medieval Europe supported polytheism just because they kept talking about Greek/Roman gods, sure.
Empty ad hom.
Double red herring. First, the quotes aren't contradictory. Secondly, you might have a point here if Krugman was saying the real solution to the global economic crisis was to drastically increase unemployment benefits.
Except, of course, that's not what he's doing. He's consistently argued for direct stimulus and direct job creation. This was all proved to be the way the world works in the Great Depression, but also more recently with the Fukishima disaster. Where Japan has had more economic growth than the United States or the European countries being force-fed austerity.
Speaking of, you seemed to skip right on by Krugman's point rather than answer it: that austerity makes things worse, not better.
FTFY.
It's no "improvement" to make millions of poor people even more miserable because you're selling the sophistry that they are poor because they don't want to work.
How can you not. Say Romney and Ryan win the election, and the first thing they do is repeal Social Security and Medicare entirely. And through the wonders of Libertarian Magic Dust, private insurance and 401k's blossom and become great replacements for the two government programs.
Does that mean that Medicare wasn't destroyed? This week in simple answers to simple questions...
Since you didn't address it the first time:
Again, on what planet is it equal to compare a middle class worker giving a three bedroom house to her oldest child equal to the Walton family being permanently exempt from work because billions are passed down?
That's well known right wing sophistry. Fact.
The cuts were to Medicare Advantage, which is little more than a kickback to private insurers. Rather than hitting Obama on his actual shenanigans on mandates and estate taxes and backroom deals with Pharma (all of which he opposed in 2008), you guys have to make stupid shit up.
Pathetic, really.
How willfully obtuse can one be? This requirement was passed by public-sector hating Republicans who wanted to gut the post office. If you put a government-hating communist from North Korea in charge of a major corporation would you use the resulting failure as an indictment of corporations in general? Speaking of, by that standard, we should be banning banks and investment firms for crashing the economy three years ago.
Fucking morans....
On what planet? If a forest fire burned down your house you wouldn't hesitate to use the words "destroyed in a fire" just because your garage was left standing. And of course politicians who want to gut popular programs like Social Security and Medicare do it under the guise of "reform". This is not news.
Welfare was replaced with workfare.
Ryan wants to take a single payer system and replace with vouchers.
So was your sense of proportion reformed at some previous point of your life? Again, on what planet is it equal to compare a middle class worker giving a three bedroom house to her oldest child equal to the Walton family being permanently exempt from work because billions are passed down?
But that's why we have the Estate Tax. Which you must be a big supporter of, reformed sense of proportion and all....
Still no. Under the courts definition, blow jobs did not count as "sexual relations", only intercourse. Sad day for the wingnuts.
And, nevermind that the impeachment was made even more of a joke by the abuses of Clinton's warmongering successors.
Wow, you couldn't have picked a worse example if you tried. The USPS is the only entity in America, private or public, required to fully fund pension and health care benefits 75 years in advance, for workers who haven't even been born yet.
The "bankruptcy" of the Postal Service was an engineered event.
If you're a lying shitsack, maybe.
Obama could have mounted a right-wing primary challenge of Reagan in 1984, based on his record.
Well, sure. On one hand, you have a right wing authoritarian who has no respect for the Constitution or his base, wants more free trade and less regulation, more drilling, wants to slash Social Security, Medicare, and home heating assistance.
And on the other, you have a guy who wont release his tax returns.
9 times as many Democrats voted for Bush than voted for Nader. And each Gore vote going to Bush was twice as bad for the Democratic ticket as a Gore vote going to Nader.
Indeed. So are you going to spend the next 180 years blaming conservative Democrats to make up for the last 10 of blaming liberal voters?
Heard of Greece and Ireland? The latter has really bent over and taken it for the bankers, I mean the team, but austerity measures have been a disaster for their economy.
I would suggest reading more Krugman.
No shit, Sherlock. Everyone is perfectly well aware of this already - which is why all the whining over "free lunches" is a diversionary red herring.
Because, Sherlock, people without insurance put off care they cannot afford until they have no other choice and go to the Emergency Room, the most expensive care by far. What's cheaper to the taxpayer: forking over a couple hundred bucks so a 24 year old man can see a dentist for a toothache, or thousands of dollars in an ER, only to die anyway?
Low taxes for the benefit of the rich have high costs for everyone else.
Of course he did. WYP?
How is it "weird"? If I took away your house and gave you a tent in it's place would it be "weird" for you to complain about it, since the tent would also keep out the rain?
Because you hate people in the middle class being able to pass down property and assets to their offspring rather than liquidating them to pay for medical care?
Are you kidding? For-profit insurance by definition must take in more premiums than it pays out in claims. Just what do you think that replacing a single-payer system with a for profit system is going to do?
Except: the "baseline" is a shitty economy with a U6 employment rate that has never gone below 14% since the crash in 2009. If the economy improves, the debt outlook is much improved, even if we keep disastrous policies like the Obush Tax Cuts and War on Terror ($1.2+ trillion a year spending on war). What will keep the economy shitty or even make it worse? "Austerity" measures which have been a proven failure in every country that has tried them.
Measures like....Paul Ryan's budget plans.
Where's the 'reading Rand = thought crime or mental disease', Slick.
Ryan's plan still adds to the national debt long before it gets around to reducing it via the usual Libertarian Magic Dust.
Of course there is. Like public roads and public libraries, free health care is free to use.
As opposed to toll roads, bookstores, and for-profit hospitals, which all cost money to use.