Instead he went in and circled the wagons as it were. That reaching across the aisle rhetoric he spoke of so much during his campaign was one of the first things to go.
Sophistry. Not only has every major piece of legislation been negotiated with the GOP, but Obama has pointedly kept members of his own party out of said talks in favor of Republican members of Congress.
Like negotiating with Grassley and Snowe on health care while ignoring Kennedy and Harkin.
Nonsense. Vouchers are about one thing and one thing only - enriching insurance companies while slashing (cheaper yet more effective) government funded health care.
Really? No. For one, Medicare was to be replaced with a system similar to the Dem's own Affordable Health Care Act.
Which of course would be "ending Medicare as we know it". Which makes PolitiFact a bunch of fucking liars, since what they called a lie for the sake of balance is obvious truth.
I, for one, am really tired of this shameful hyperbole.
To borrow a quip from Tyson: that's the nice thing about facts. They're true whether or not you believe in them. And it's a fact that Ryan's budget would have ended Medicare.
I normally try not to feed the trolls or the retards, but.... did it ever occur to you that there might be some differences in how troops are used in, say, Phillippines and Afghanistan? That there might be some differences in the costs associated with keeping troops in those countries? Or, heck, even a difference in how the troops are viewed and treated?
Despite PNoy denial, US conducted drone strikes in the Philippines
According to the article, in 2006 an American Predator unmanned aerial vehicle, or drone, fired a âoebarrage of Hellfire missilesâ in the âoejungles of the Philippinesâ. The drone strike was an attempt to kill Indonesian Bali-bomber Umar Patek.
At least Obama has got us out of one unnecessary war started by the previous Republican administration
Come again? The "withdrawal" from Iraq was negotiated by Bush, not Obama. "Withdrawal" is in "quotes" because we still have mercenaries there, have a fortress of an embassy, are ready to re-invade from nearby bases if "necessary", and no doubt patrolling their skies with Predator Drones.
and is slowly scaling back the other one.
Obama trippled the forces in Afghanistan right after Karzai stole the election and threatened to join the Taliban if we didn't cater to his whims. Obama has also launched several new drone wars and deployed special forces to many more countries around the world.
Obama is just as big a warmonger as Bush - just a more competent warmonger.
Don't be willfully obtuse. The United States is alone in the industrialized world in rationing health care based on the ability to pay. Case in point: a 24 year old man who died from a freaking toothache because he didn't have money to pay for a dentist until it was too late.
You need to show substantial benefit from that health care spending
This was proved decades ago by the rest of the industrialized word with socialized medicine. Not only does it provide better care, it does so for less money. Which is why wingnuts resort to hand waving crap like "we all die from lack of health care" rather than citing stats showing the US having superior stats for less cost.
Else, I merely point out that people will die from the allocation of wealth to health care (people who give more to taxes have less to spend on their own well being). Also, more demand for health care means higher health care costs (that supply and demand thing).
Tautologies with zero basis in reality. If you could, you'd be showing how the US has a lower infant mortality rate than Japan while spending less money on maternal and pediatric care. If you could, you'd be showing how the US has a lower rate of fatal heart disease than France while spending less money on prevention and care.
You don't because you can't. Like the jury in To Kill A Mockingbird, you know perfectly well what the facts are. You just choose to ignore them because sticking to your storyline is more important.
No. People care about their own privacy plenty. It's that they are fed misdirection (don't you want law enforcement to catch pedos?) and a lack of other options (both parties for the Patriot Act, NDAA, etc).
He didn't say "more". He said there's a difference in an "order of magnitude", which is obviously the case.
Unless you think that an officer writing down numbers by hand, or a police scanner that stores numbers only long enough to check to see if they are stolen, is remotely equivalent to a permanent, cross-referenced government database.
On what planet is a private citizen making recordings on his personal equipment and, at worst, uploading a video to Youtube remotely equal to a permanent government database tracking millions of people?
Seriously, did you think about this for two nanoseconds? 40 years from now, what's going to have more of an impact on society: that an old Youtube video showing a cop bullying a skateboarder might still be on online, or President Jenna Bush (or President Sasha Obama) being able to pull up records of your every movement for most of your life?
This system is police state BS, straight up. This is the same faux-balance that we see with the 'Super Congress' - a few dollars in defense cuts to match cuts to health care. But in the first case, a defense contractor might have to make do with a Mercedes instead of a Bentley. But in the latter, people will die from lack of health care.
If you have a bank controlling a significant portion of the country's flow of money and it goes under, that makes things a lot trickier.
No. The stated reason for the bailout was to "save the economy" and to keep the supply of money floating. But the banks did not use the bailout money to keep money moving, but to save their own asses.
The bailouts were an utter failure, meant to save banks and bankers. Not the economy. Not depositors.
You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
Increasing the level of laziness with a healthy dose of projection does not prove your claim any faster. If it were so easy to demonstrate the existence of the elusive Apple fanboy, you would have done so already.
It was one of the five most powerful earthquakes since record keeping began. Yeah, that kind of earthquake is rare, at least in human terms. Which brings me back to my point: how many once in a thousand year events happen across the globe on any given day, and how we will see more Fukishima's and Chernobyls if we continue to build plants.
That storyline pretty much doesn't deal with Russia or China. The former of which has plenty of spent fuel of it's own to use for breeder reactors, which would free up more of their fossil fuels for export. And neither is overly concerned with public sentiment or naysayers.
I'd do it because no government in the world at the moment (except maybe China and Russia) has the foresight to invest in our future
Yes, China and Russia. The two flaws in the "luddite anti-nuke people are holding us back" storyline. If breeder reactors were up to the hype, Russia would be rolling them out to free up their fossil fuels for export. And China, not overly concerned about public sentiment, would be using them as well.
Where are the people clamouring to build solar furnaces, without ridiculous subsidies would there be wind farms and solar panels?
Wait, did you just say wind farms and solar panels get "ridiculous subsidies" in a discussion on nuclear power? With a straight face? When nuclear plants cost billions to build, have their liability capped by the government, have an extremely high maintenance overhead, and leave radioactive waste that will need to be stored by the government for thousands of years? LOL.
I never said that Obama thought that homosexuality would result in God punishing America. I said that both Obama and Cathy said that they think marriage is between a man and a woman.
What, do you think we can't go back up thread and see exactly what was said? Just how stupid are you anyway?
I personally don't want to give my money to hate-mongers and bigots. Thats why. And I generally advocate that no one else should support assholes as well.
Did you vote for Obama in 2008? Remember, he said the EXACT same thing that the Chick-Fil-A CEO said and the same people protesting Chick-Fil-A today were falling all over themselves to campaign and vote for Obama just four years ago.
The EXACT same thing? No, he did not. You are lying.
Unless you can find a source saying that Obama believed that God would be angry with us for redefining marriage. You can't. He said he didn't believe in it, which isn't support, but is nowhere near the dogmatic theological opposition you tried to make it out to be.
To which you said: "Um.... Looks like the same thing to me." Which of course is complete sophistry, since you never bothered to find equivalent statements from Obama or show how's he's donated to right wing homophobic hate groups.
Feel free to apologize for your lying at any time.
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Sophistry. Not only has every major piece of legislation been negotiated with the GOP, but Obama has pointedly kept members of his own party out of said talks in favor of Republican members of Congress.
Like negotiating with Grassley and Snowe on health care while ignoring Kennedy and Harkin.
Nonsense. Vouchers are about one thing and one thing only - enriching insurance companies while slashing (cheaper yet more effective) government funded health care.
Yes, really.
Which of course would be "ending Medicare as we know it". Which makes PolitiFact a bunch of fucking liars, since what they called a lie for the sake of balance is obvious truth.
To borrow a quip from Tyson: that's the nice thing about facts. They're true whether or not you believe in them. And it's a fact that Ryan's budget would have ended Medicare.
All 200,000 of them? Elections are won first by getting your base out to vote while dampening the enthusiasm of your opponent's base.
Unless you're a Mormon. Or unless you're a incompetent geriatric flip flopping hack. Or "read my lips".....
It's not inflammatory when it's accurate, so your poutrage is weak. Ryan DOES like Rand. He DOES want to abolish SS and Medicare.
Looked so intently that you went off on a post that didn't actually have the comparison you were looking for? Interesting.....
Gee, maybe something has changed in the last couple days? /eye roll
Did it ever occur to you what they might have in common?
Come again? The "withdrawal" from Iraq was negotiated by Bush, not Obama. "Withdrawal" is in "quotes" because we still have mercenaries there, have a fortress of an embassy, are ready to re-invade from nearby bases if "necessary", and no doubt patrolling their skies with Predator Drones.
Obama trippled the forces in Afghanistan right after Karzai stole the election and threatened to join the Taliban if we didn't cater to his whims. Obama has also launched several new drone wars and deployed special forces to many more countries around the world.
Obama is just as big a warmonger as Bush - just a more competent warmonger.
Do you use a cannon or a howitzer for your projection, since you are too stupid to read the thread?
Don't be willfully obtuse. The United States is alone in the industrialized world in rationing health care based on the ability to pay. Case in point: a 24 year old man who died from a freaking toothache because he didn't have money to pay for a dentist until it was too late.
This was proved decades ago by the rest of the industrialized word with socialized medicine. Not only does it provide better care, it does so for less money. Which is why wingnuts resort to hand waving crap like "we all die from lack of health care" rather than citing stats showing the US having superior stats for less cost.
Tautologies with zero basis in reality. If you could, you'd be showing how the US has a lower infant mortality rate than Japan while spending less money on maternal and pediatric care. If you could, you'd be showing how the US has a lower rate of fatal heart disease than France while spending less money on prevention and care.
You don't because you can't. Like the jury in To Kill A Mockingbird, you know perfectly well what the facts are. You just choose to ignore them because sticking to your storyline is more important.
No. People care about their own privacy plenty. It's that they are fed misdirection (don't you want law enforcement to catch pedos?) and a lack of other options (both parties for the Patriot Act, NDAA, etc).
Trent Lott, is that you?
He didn't say "more". He said there's a difference in an "order of magnitude", which is obviously the case.
Unless you think that an officer writing down numbers by hand, or a police scanner that stores numbers only long enough to check to see if they are stolen, is remotely equivalent to a permanent, cross-referenced government database.
On what planet is a private citizen making recordings on his personal equipment and, at worst, uploading a video to Youtube remotely equal to a permanent government database tracking millions of people?
Seriously, did you think about this for two nanoseconds? 40 years from now, what's going to have more of an impact on society: that an old Youtube video showing a cop bullying a skateboarder might still be on online, or President Jenna Bush (or President Sasha Obama) being able to pull up records of your every movement for most of your life?
This system is police state BS, straight up. This is the same faux-balance that we see with the 'Super Congress' - a few dollars in defense cuts to match cuts to health care. But in the first case, a defense contractor might have to make do with a Mercedes instead of a Bentley. But in the latter, people will die from lack of health care.
No. The stated reason for the bailout was to "save the economy" and to keep the supply of money floating. But the banks did not use the bailout money to keep money moving, but to save their own asses.
The bailouts were an utter failure, meant to save banks and bankers. Not the economy. Not depositors.
Increasing the level of laziness with a healthy dose of projection does not prove your claim any faster. If it were so easy to demonstrate the existence of the elusive Apple fanboy, you would have done so already.
It was one of the five most powerful earthquakes since record keeping began. Yeah, that kind of earthquake is rare, at least in human terms. Which brings me back to my point: how many once in a thousand year events happen across the globe on any given day, and how we will see more Fukishima's and Chernobyls if we continue to build plants.
Not really. You pointed to exceptions (Greece and Rome) and talked about them as if they were the rule.
That storyline pretty much doesn't deal with Russia or China. The former of which has plenty of spent fuel of it's own to use for breeder reactors, which would free up more of their fossil fuels for export. And neither is overly concerned with public sentiment or naysayers.
Yes, China and Russia. The two flaws in the "luddite anti-nuke people are holding us back" storyline. If breeder reactors were up to the hype, Russia would be rolling them out to free up their fossil fuels for export. And China, not overly concerned about public sentiment, would be using them as well.
Wait, did you just say wind farms and solar panels get "ridiculous subsidies" in a discussion on nuclear power? With a straight face? When nuclear plants cost billions to build, have their liability capped by the government, have an extremely high maintenance overhead, and leave radioactive waste that will need to be stored by the government for thousands of years? LOL.
Err...you realize you're still compounding both the historical and logical fails?
Greece and Rome had democracy. Thefore, for the next couple thousand years, most European nations had democracy as well!
Living up to your name better, harder, stronger isn't answering the AC's point any faster:
Of course you are. It's what you do.
You are projecting. With a canon.
What, do you think we can't go back up thread and see exactly what was said? Just how stupid are you anyway?
To which you said: "Um.... Looks like the same thing to me." Which of course is complete sophistry, since you never bothered to find equivalent statements from Obama or show how's he's donated to right wing homophobic hate groups.
Feel free to apologize for your lying at any time.