However, the store can call the police and have their security detain you until the police arrive
You're half right. They certainly can call the police, but the store has no right to detain you - in any state. But even if that were the case, not only did he not steal anything, he was a paying customer.
The only two mistakes the guy made were in
1) not ignoring the rent-a-cops and walking out of the store 2) talking to the real cops when they showed up
Batshit irrelevant. Even if he signed a contract with REI beforehand agreeing not to take pictures inside their store, the best they can do is ask him to leave.
Batshit irrelevant. Even if he signed a contract with REI beforehand agreeing not to take pictures inside their store, the best they can do is ask him to leave.
The police may ask for your name if you have been properly detained
Taking a photo of an open ATM in a public area is not a crime. As the cops had no probable suspicion much less probable cause, he was not properly detained.
You can call the cop a cocksucking piece of shit and there's jack she can do about it. Just don't scream in a public place so they can hit you with the generic "disorderly conduct" charge.
When dealing with a police officer who you believe is abusing their authority, there is only one sensible strategy: you say, "Officer, would you please explain to me what law I've broken?
No, no, no. It's:
1) Am I free to go? 2) Am I being detained?
Rinse, wash, repeat. And, if the cop is being a cocksucking piece of shit, add
Would it have hurt to ask the ATM mechs if he could take a picture of the machine? Maybe if he had explained himself a bit, instead of being a wanker, none of this would've happened. I mean, I might give him some credit... but not to stereotype, let's look at the evidence.
You'll have a great point here just as soon as you can point out what law he violated, how he was threatening the service employees, that this store was a secure area, or the contract he signed with REI stating he wouldn't take any pictures inside their establishment. Until then, you're an ankle grabbing tool apologizing for authoritarian assholes that have no idea what the law is.
The only thing he did wrong not telling the rent-a-cops to go fuck themselves, as they had zero rights to detain or question him. The only right the store had was to ask him to leave. I hope knows a good attorney who can find grounds for a lawsuit against Loomis, REI, and the PD.
Nah, I just have an allergic reaction to persistent idiots who don't know wtf they're talking about.
I, and many others want our coffee served HOT!
It is served hot: 140 degrees is hot. If you want it hot enough to put in in danger of hospitalization and multiple surgeries, that puts you in the same category as those who like driving Ford Pintos with faulty gas tanks: nobody gives a shit about you.
As far as I am concerned...you, the white mule you rode in on, and your nanny state can all be shoved up your own ass.
You can be as insulting as you can achieve, but you will not change my mind about 'facts' playing an important role in the Libertarian faith-based storyline.
OEM's don't generally have ginormous binding orders with just-in-time inventory. The issue is a red herring. It's not that Apple wasn't a big enough customer - and they were well out of the 90's doldrums - it's that IBM is a shitty fabber compared to Intel and this is a shitty excuse offered for them.
I can't comment, I don't use Apple. Read my original post, I was correcting the incorrect comments about rolling updates for XP.
Dude, when you're in a hole, stop digging. The parent was talking about
I much prefer frequent, incremental updates. The $100 that Apple charges for the OS is peanuts compared to the amount of use it gets.
Maybe you like the MS upgrade cycle, but look at all the bad press they get for it... you can hardly blame Apple for wishing to avoid that.
...upgrades, not updates. Win2k to WinXP is an "upgrade". WinXP to Vista is an "upgrade". WinXP to Service Pack 1/2/3 is an update.
I work on OS security on mostly Linux and UNIX, and some Windows. I also use both at home, computing is my main hobby. I know plenty about all of them.
But not anything about OS X, obviously. So why are you qualified to comment in Apple stories or on alleged fanboys, exactly?
Again, read my original post rather than falling prey to your emotions.
Who's getting emotional? Is this some sort of attempt to deflect from the fact that you got called on your ignorant, incorrect snobbery?
I believe security updates are released for XP just about every Thursday - or something like that.
You do "some" Windows security professionally and "know plenty about" Windows but don't know when Microsoft releases their patches? Hmmm.
My impression of most Apple users is that they want not to use Microsoft products and do hide inside an elitist little club
Question: do you use a cannon or artillery for your projection? Inquiring minds want to know...
Excuse #527, and it doesn't change the fact that IBM promised 3 Ghz chips within a year, and never delivered. And it's not like Apple was small potatoes - they were selling four million Macs a year at the time, with higher margins than the Cell.
Erm, so what is this Windows XP installation that I have been using since XP Service Pack 1 that I have *incrementally upgraded* through to Service Pack 3 with all the additional Microsoft updates then?
That Windows XP installation you've been running is Windows NT 5.1, and the updates you've been downloading for it are free...just as Apple's updates for Leopard are free, just as Tiger before it, and Panther before that, and so on.
I'm no MS fanboi by any means, I use mostly (incrementally upgradeable) Gentoo Linux - but I wish you Apple fanbois would occasionally go read a technical book or something so that you can at least have some degree of intelligent conversation with those of us who do.
That's so funny, since you have no idea what you're talking about.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I've never found a reason to use or buy anything made by Apple in 30-odd years of using computers at home and work so I don't know, and care even less.
Then don't frikkin buy one. No skin off either of your noses.
But read the original posting - the OP was implying that MS doesn't do rolling updates, where in fact it does.
Look at the timeline for Windows releases. You're comparing major releases (10.X) to point releases (5.1.x)...Apples to oranges.
Besides which, upgrades between XP and Vista affect very few people.
Riiiight.
As I said earlier, I know nothing about OSX
You don't say.
So please don't assume everybody who uses Linux, or Gentoo, to be an evangelist.
$117.49 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116515) for XP Pro SP3 is less than the $129 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC094) for the Leopard upgrade.
And what is the price of rice in China this morning?
Blind adoration won't get you anywhere.
As opposed to non sequiturs, which get you anywhere fast.
Disney does explore the darker side of the human psyche from time to time, you know, like murdering pretty girls with poison apples, kidnapping children, etc.
Not even. That's basic storytelling - if Disney wanted to "explore the darker side of the human psyche", they would have left in Cinderella the part where the sisters started chopping of parts of their feet to fit in the slipper.
It was a perfect example. Like in the original Cinderella, where the sisters were chopping off parts of their feet to get them to fit in the slipper.
from what I remember out of my Folklore class, the Brothers Grimm actually added in a lot of that violence to replace all the sex they took out. Violence was deemed much more acceptable for children
You must really hate Smallville then. I made a drinking game for the show, and one of the category is "take a drink if a girl gets knocked unconscious." Add that to kidnapping and 'someone ends up in the hospital', and you have just about every episode of the series.:)
If I remember correctly, the Hot Coffee mod allowed your character in GTA3 to have sex with prostitutes, which is a completely different thing than raping a woman.
It was sex with your in game "girlfriend", which is completely different from even sex with prostitutes, much less sexual assault.
Rape is a particularly heinous crime because, unlike murder, once the act has been perpetrated the victim's suffering has only just begun.
And because of societal attitudes towards the protection of women - rape victim == female. You don't see the automatic or continued sympathy for male victims of rape.
And unlike killing someone, it's never morally justified.
Never? I remember a woman in the 80's or early 90's who would call an urban radio station anonymously. She had gotten AIDS through sexual contact, and decided the proper thing to do was to have sex with as many men as possible and give them all AIDS. This woman and the stereotypical rapist were made for eachother.
We would tend to make an equivalency between a fighter pilot from WWI flying canvas and wood biplanes and a modern fighter pilot strapped into an F-22. There is no equivalency. The planes cost a thousand times more, they take more training to fly, and are very damned complex.
But the big change would be for the pilots involved, not command. MacArther wouldn't need to know how to fly an F-22 to take advantage of it's greater range, speed and armaments.
I loved enterprise because it was gritter, the ship broke when anyone sneezed, and the humans got their asses kicked at every turn. Plus willing to cross the line into "kind'a-evil" in order to get the mission completed is very human.
The concept of Enterprise was great. The execution was shit. Starting with the over-the-top snobbery from the Vulcans - your ways are not our ways, therefore you are a bunch of primitive savages....
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However, the store can call the police and have their security detain you until the police arrive
You're half right. They certainly can call the police, but the store has no right to detain you - in any state. But even if that were the case, not only did he not steal anything, he was a paying customer.
The only two mistakes the guy made were in
1) not ignoring the rent-a-cops and walking out of the store
2) talking to the real cops when they showed up
Ummm, he was on private property. Just because two or more people can see each other doesn't make a place, public.
Then the most they can do is ask him to leave. Period.
Batshit irrelevant. Even if he signed a contract with REI beforehand agreeing not to take pictures inside their store, the best they can do is ask him to leave.
Batshit irrelevant. Even if he signed a contract with REI beforehand agreeing not to take pictures inside their store, the best they can do is ask him to leave.
Taking a photo of an open ATM in a public area is not a crime. As the cops had no probable suspicion much less probable cause, he was not properly detained.
You can call the cop a cocksucking piece of shit and there's jack she can do about it. Just don't scream in a public place so they can hit you with the generic "disorderly conduct" charge.
When dealing with a police officer who you believe is abusing their authority, there is only one sensible strategy: you say, "Officer, would you please explain to me what law I've broken?
No, no, no. It's:
1) Am I free to go?
2) Am I being detained?
Rinse, wash, repeat. And, if the cop is being a cocksucking piece of shit, add
3) Call for another officer to come to the scene.
Would it have hurt to ask the ATM mechs if he could take a picture of the machine? Maybe if he had explained himself a bit, instead of being a wanker, none of this would've happened. I mean, I might give him some credit... but not to stereotype, let's look at the evidence.
You'll have a great point here just as soon as you can point out what law he violated, how he was threatening the service employees, that this store was a secure area, or the contract he signed with REI stating he wouldn't take any pictures inside their establishment. Until then, you're an ankle grabbing tool apologizing for authoritarian assholes that have no idea what the law is.
The only thing he did wrong not telling the rent-a-cops to go fuck themselves, as they had zero rights to detain or question him. The only right the store had was to ask him to leave. I hope knows a good attorney who can find grounds for a lawsuit against Loomis, REI, and the PD.
I seem to have struck a nerve.
Nah, I just have an allergic reaction to persistent idiots who don't know wtf they're talking about.
I, and many others want our coffee served HOT!
It is served hot: 140 degrees is hot. If you want it hot enough to put in in danger of hospitalization and multiple surgeries, that puts you in the same category as those who like driving Ford Pintos with faulty gas tanks: nobody gives a shit about you.
As far as I am concerned...you, the white mule you rode in on, and your nanny state can all be shoved up your own ass.
You should try Denmark. Socialistic as fuck, yet it's the world's happiest place and it has a per capita GDP $16,000 higher than that of the U.S.
Look, buckwheat..my 'reading comprehension thing' is beyond what you can achieve in your limited lifetime apparently.
What a surprise, you have the bum eyes.
You can be as insulting as you can achieve, but you will not change my mind about 'facts' playing an important role in the Libertarian faith-based storyline.
Fixed that for you.
Do I have a solution for you!
OEM's don't generally have ginormous binding orders with just-in-time inventory. The issue is a red herring. It's not that Apple wasn't a big enough customer - and they were well out of the 90's doldrums - it's that IBM is a shitty fabber compared to Intel and this is a shitty excuse offered for them.
I can't comment, I don't use Apple. Read my original post, I was correcting the incorrect comments about rolling updates for XP.
Dude, when you're in a hole, stop digging. The parent was talking about
I work on OS security on mostly Linux and UNIX, and some Windows. I also use both at home, computing is my main hobby. I know plenty about all of them.
But not anything about OS X, obviously. So why are you qualified to comment in Apple stories or on alleged fanboys, exactly?
Again, read my original post rather than falling prey to your emotions.
Who's getting emotional? Is this some sort of attempt to deflect from the fact that you got called on your ignorant, incorrect snobbery?
I believe security updates are released for XP just about every Thursday - or something like that.
You do "some" Windows security professionally and "know plenty about" Windows but don't know when Microsoft releases their patches? Hmmm.
My impression of most Apple users is that they want not to use Microsoft products and do hide inside an elitist little club
Question: do you use a cannon or artillery for your projection? Inquiring minds want to know...
That's probably why Apple tells you that you'll need to stream the install disk from another computer, or buy an external USB DVD drive.
They promised Apple 3 Ghz chips within a year and never delivered.
Fixed that for you.
Excuse #527, and it doesn't change the fact that IBM promised 3 Ghz chips within a year, and never delivered. And it's not like Apple was small potatoes - they were selling four million Macs a year at the time, with higher margins than the Cell.
Erm, so what is this Windows XP installation that I have been using since XP Service Pack 1 that I have *incrementally upgraded* through to Service Pack 3 with all the additional Microsoft updates then?
That Windows XP installation you've been running is Windows NT 5.1, and the updates you've been downloading for it are free...just as Apple's updates for Leopard are free, just as Tiger before it, and Panther before that, and so on.
I'm no MS fanboi by any means, I use mostly (incrementally upgradeable) Gentoo Linux - but I wish you Apple fanbois would occasionally go read a technical book or something so that you can at least have some degree of intelligent conversation with those of us who do.
That's so funny, since you have no idea what you're talking about.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I've never found a reason to use or buy anything made by Apple in 30-odd years of using computers at home and work so I don't know, and care even less.
Then don't frikkin buy one. No skin off either of your noses.
But read the original posting - the OP was implying that MS doesn't do rolling updates, where in fact it does.
Look at the timeline for Windows releases. You're comparing major releases (10.X) to point releases (5.1.x)...Apples to oranges.
Besides which, upgrades between XP and Vista affect very few people.
Riiiight.
As I said earlier, I know nothing about OSX
You don't say.
So please don't assume everybody who uses Linux, or Gentoo, to be an evangelist.
As opposed to users of Apple's products, eh?
$117.49 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116515) for XP Pro SP3 is less than the $129 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC094) for the Leopard upgrade.
And what is the price of rice in China this morning?
Blind adoration won't get you anywhere.
As opposed to non sequiturs, which get you anywhere fast.
Disney does explore the darker side of the human psyche from time to time, you know, like murdering pretty girls with poison apples, kidnapping children, etc.
Not even. That's basic storytelling - if Disney wanted to "explore the darker side of the human psyche", they would have left in Cinderella the part where the sisters started chopping of parts of their feet to fit in the slipper.
Not necessarily the best of your examples...
It was a perfect example. Like in the original Cinderella, where the sisters were chopping off parts of their feet to get them to fit in the slipper.
from what I remember out of my Folklore class, the Brothers Grimm actually added in a lot of that violence to replace all the sex they took out. Violence was deemed much more acceptable for children
And this is a counter-argument how, exactly?
You must really hate Smallville then. I made a drinking game for the show, and one of the category is "take a drink if a girl gets knocked unconscious." Add that to kidnapping and 'someone ends up in the hospital', and you have just about every episode of the series. :)
If I remember correctly, the Hot Coffee mod allowed your character in GTA3 to have sex with prostitutes, which is a completely different thing than raping a woman.
It was sex with your in game "girlfriend", which is completely different from even sex with prostitutes, much less sexual assault.
Rape is a particularly heinous crime because, unlike murder, once the act has been perpetrated the victim's suffering has only just begun.
And because of societal attitudes towards the protection of women - rape victim == female. You don't see the automatic or continued sympathy for male victims of rape.
And unlike killing someone, it's never morally justified.
Never? I remember a woman in the 80's or early 90's who would call an urban radio station anonymously. She had gotten AIDS through sexual contact, and decided the proper thing to do was to have sex with as many men as possible and give them all AIDS. This woman and the stereotypical rapist were made for eachother.
If I remember correctly, the spill would have actually been McDonald's fault too and it was an example of a "good" and just lawsuit.
*Reads sentence, sees user ID, blinks*
Man, I gotta find sum's email address so I can warn him his Slashdot account has been hacked into by some DFH. :)
We would tend to make an equivalency between a fighter pilot from WWI flying canvas and wood biplanes and a modern fighter pilot strapped into an F-22. There is no equivalency. The planes cost a thousand times more, they take more training to fly, and are very damned complex.
But the big change would be for the pilots involved, not command. MacArther wouldn't need to know how to fly an F-22 to take advantage of it's greater range, speed and armaments.
I loved enterprise because it was gritter, the ship broke when anyone sneezed, and the humans got their asses kicked at every turn. Plus willing to cross the line into "kind'a-evil" in order to get the mission completed is very human.
The concept of Enterprise was great. The execution was shit. Starting with the over-the-top snobbery from the Vulcans - your ways are not our ways, therefore you are a bunch of primitive savages....
And contribute to the fight against him.
Nero didn't give a shit. He wasn't fighting to win a war, he was fighting to cause pain. Duh, not meh.
her death caused the deaths of all the Borg she controlled.
I thought that was the corrosive gas that did that. Not much of a collective intelligence if you have a single point of failure.