The GOP only wanted to challenge new registrations. So Joe Wurzelbacher or Werzelbacker or Wuzilbacker would still be able to vote, because he was already a registered Republican. In other words, it would be the new Grandfather Clause.
Do you have any numbers to back that statement up?
Lehman Brothers was handing out billions in bonuses even as the company was going under. Sure, the shares held by these executives might be worthless - but they still got paid millions and walk away with millions more via golden parachutes.
And btw, for those who blame the crash on deregulation, the regulations in the financial sector only grew in the last 20 years.
You needed the conjonction of the Community Reinvestment Act punishing cautious lenders, the reckless practices of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae removing any semblance of loan application verification
Baseless right wing propaganda. The CRA is 30 years old - if it were really so terrible it would have made a mess of our economy a long time ago, but most of the firms going belly up aren't even subject to the CRA. Ditto for FM/FM. This is nothing more than an attempt to distract from the real cause of the crisis: deregulation.
If you hate flip flops, you must be voting for Obama, right? There isn't a single issue that McCain hasn't flip flopped on - from "cutting and running" to torture to immigration to higher taxes on the rich to ACORN to "agents of intolerance" to abortion to flying the Confederate flag to privatizing Social Security to gay marriage and so on and so on.
And naturally you voted 3rd party in 2000 and 2004 because Bush had the mother of all flip flops when he took credit during a debate with Gore for passing a patients rights bill in Texas when he actually vetoed it.
But somehow I wouldn't be at all surprised if your philosophy was: IOKIYAR.
Okay, I don't visit Slashdot often enough to single people out.
That's because there aren't any to single out in the first place. It's like conservative wingnuts who rant and rave about the Democrats being socialists, when the wingnut has never actually seen a real, live socialist in his entire life.
The Mac aura is nothing other than the illusionary value that the Mac is supposed to possess over and beyond it's real subjective value, and this aura is what props up the price beyond blah blah blah blah
Apple uses high quality components than supplier-of-the-week OEM's like HP or Dell
Apple is routinely at or near the top of quality and customer satisfaction surveys
OS X has a vastly better security record than XP and is vastly more usable than Vista (cancel or allow?)
Apple machines retain their resale value very well - you might not be able to get a new Apple laptop for $600, but selling your old Macbook Pro for half what you paid for it will help make up the difference
If you don't like Macs, don't frikkin buy one. No one is holding a gun to your head.
Not really. Reality has a well known liberal bias for a reason.
However, no such count was ever formally requested and under every recound method requested by both parties at the time Bush won
Gore didn't start with that request because that's not how Florida law works - it provides for county by country recounts, not for statewide recounts. If the Republicans on the Supreme Court had actually been interested in equal protection instead of stopping the count when it favored their party's candidate, that's what they would have ordered.
And most of the 'illegal' overseas votes were from persons serving in the military which, because of mailing standards, due not always receive postmarks (which was the main point of contention). These votes are pretty much uniformly accepted country wide.
It's the double standard. Military votes, even ones blatantly violating election law, were included even as Republicans were crying a river over the "hanging chads".
You did leave out the part about the news stations declaring the polls closed before the polls in the heavily republican districts of the pan handle actually were. That alone could account for hundreds, if not thousands of votes, mostly Republican.
I generally don't mention baseless Republican talking points. What did happen was some media sources erroneously called the state early for Gore, and then trampled the other way when Karl Rove's cousin called the state for Bush.
but that one happened 8 years ago so everyone just needs to get over it.
Um, what? Do that stolen election, our national debt has doubled, thousands of Americans have been needlessly killed or wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, a major hurricane ignored, our government has tortured innocent people, and our economy is in tatters.
And they're trying to do it again. They did their best in 2004, although it might not have been necessary to re-elect Bush. They've passed a draconian, baseless voter ID law in Indiana, upheld by Bush's Supreme Court nomination. They pressured US Attorneys to prosecute cases of voter fraud, and when some couldn't find (or invent) any, they were fired. Now Republicans want to use home foreclosure lists to challenge voters or for having any discrepancies in personal information in government databases. This would disenfranchise Joe the Republican Plumber (because one such database misspelled his name), except they don't want to scrutinize all "questionable" registrations, only new ones. In a heavily Democratic year.
So no, I'm not going to get over their continuing attempts to pervert our democracy.
Did you not read my previous post? You know, the one where people fraudulently registered and then fraudulently voted?
You mean the breathless, crazy story from a tabloid rag?
That has been debunked repeatedly over the past 8 years, yet you people keep saying it as if it will somehow make it true.
As is usually the case, take the opposite of the wingnut viewpoint and you have reality. A statewide recount conducted by the press proved that Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush - which wouldn't have even been necessary if Katherine Harris hadn't purged thousands of eligible voters.
That would be cool, except it would be false. Take the economy for example. It was going great, breaking records even from 2002 to 2006. From 2006 to today, it's gone to shit. What happened in 2006? Oh yeah, the Democrats took over Congress. And anyone who has glanced over the Constitution knows that Congress controls the economy. So, how's this:
Wow, those must have been some terrible bills the Democrats passed since 2006 to wreck the economy in less than two years. Care to name them? What's that, you can't? You mean you're really full of shit? Huh, interesting.
Why, oh why God, would someone successfully commit voter fraud to gain the ability to vote fraudulently and then NOT VOTE FRAUDULENTLY. Just for shits and giggles?
Why, oh why God, did my absent-minded 95 year old grandmother put a 12" butcher knife in her carry on luggage if not to hijack a plane and crash it into a building?
Read up on the US Attorney scandal. The USA's were pressured to find cases of voter fraud to prosecute. They couldn't find any, and when they wouldn't pull a Ken Starr they were fired. More people die from bee stings every year than are convicted of vote fraud. And yet Republicans are willing to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people across the country in order to prevent instances of a crime that you can count on one or two hands. It should be painfully obvious that they don't actually care about vote fraud, it's all a sham to suppress the vote.
Yeah, I frequently get that from people who are overly dense.
You are also putting words into my mouth and I find that offensive.
Are you high? We can all see what you wrote I'm replying to that.
While "policies or practices" does include turning in every registration form, that is a disingenuous, extremely narrow interpretation of the phrase.
Just what part of "the law requires all forms to be turned in" are you not understanding?
It also includes employee training, telling them that they will get caught and fired if they turn in fake records.
Which...ACORN...also...does.
It involves gathering data to help with prosecution
Which...ACORN...also...does.
You're asking for an investigation into an organization that is following the law, takes quality control seriously, and goes out of it's way to alert elections officials to questionable registrations. When can we send over Ken Starr to investigate your ass?
That's okay. I'm always amazed how no one calls repeat customers for Nokia, Honda, Lexus or Pioneer "fanboys" or doubts their intelligence just because they like the company's product, yet they do for Mac users.
Huh?!? Of course they are required to! No duh! We can't have people taking voter registration forms and arbitrarily not turn them in. Nobody has said that they shouldn't turn them in. Argue with what is written if you must, but don't argue against what you wish I had said.
Um, I am.
This isn't the first time this has happened "to" ACORN. Drawing the connection to the Democrat party isn't a stretch. At a minimum, Obama used to work for them. I'm not going to blame ACORN, yet. Let there be an investigation. Yes, I know that phrase is overused, but here it's warranted. Something about their policies or practices is allowing a tendency of fraud.
Their "policies or practices is allowing a tendency of fraud" is called following federal law, which was the point.
Actually, driving is a right as well. You have to have the freedom to travel to use your right of free association, and traveling = driving for most of the United States.
At least in the state of Wisconsin getting a DL or ID costs $28 and is free to renew. Is there really such a large portion of the population that can't afford $28 lifetime? 13 cents a day for a year?
Why should someone have to go through the expense of getting a drivers license if they don't have a care? What is your rational for insisting that a fee be paid before people are entitled to their Constitutional rights?
Discard that if you want, even when the government offered to pay for the IDs as part of the Real ID act it was unacceptable.
Because the handful of cases of actual voter fraud are a molehill next to the mountain of voter disenfranchisement. Getting enough people to show up with 'Mickey Mouse' registration cards to swing an election is an enormous task. Whereas disenfranchisement robs thousands of voters of their Constitutional rights, and the Republicans already used it to steal a presidential election.
Drawing the connection to the Democrat party isn't a stretch.
Actually, even Gumby would tear an arm out of it's socket if he tried to reach that far. ACORN is required by law to turn in all registration forms, so they flag the suspicious ones.
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Then print off a copy and have it notarized.
1) stork is a long time wingnut, so it's not like you're jumping on a commie pinko.
2) you're comparing mountain ranges to molehills.
The GOP only wanted to challenge new registrations. So Joe Wurzelbacher or Werzelbacker or Wuzilbacker would still be able to vote, because he was already a registered Republican. In other words, it would be the new Grandfather Clause.
Do you have any numbers to back that statement up?
Lehman Brothers was handing out billions in bonuses even as the company was going under. Sure, the shares held by these executives might be worthless - but they still got paid millions and walk away with millions more via golden parachutes.
And btw, for those who blame the crash on deregulation, the regulations in the financial sector only grew in the last 20 years.
And what color is the sky on your planet?
You needed the conjonction of the Community Reinvestment Act punishing cautious lenders, the reckless practices of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae removing any semblance of loan application verification
Baseless right wing propaganda. The CRA is 30 years old - if it were really so terrible it would have made a mess of our economy a long time ago, but most of the firms going belly up aren't even subject to the CRA. Ditto for FM/FM. This is nothing more than an attempt to distract from the real cause of the crisis: deregulation.
Now, If only the media would vet Obama a little.
If you hate flip flops, you must be voting for Obama, right? There isn't a single issue that McCain hasn't flip flopped on - from "cutting and running" to torture to immigration to higher taxes on the rich to ACORN to "agents of intolerance" to abortion to flying the Confederate flag to privatizing Social Security to gay marriage and so on and so on.
And naturally you voted 3rd party in 2000 and 2004 because Bush had the mother of all flip flops when he took credit during a debate with Gore for passing a patients rights bill in Texas when he actually vetoed it.
But somehow I wouldn't be at all surprised if your philosophy was: IOKIYAR.
From what I understand, they were giving loans to people who had no collateral and no income.
Then it would only be a 300-500 billion dollar problem, instead of a $45+ trillion dollar, double-the-size-of-the-stock-market problem.
Yes, there are too many zealots on both sides.
Problem: your other side only exists in your head.
Regulate Everything!
Straw man. There isn't a socialist on the planet that wants to regulate everything. The real question is what is the right amount of regulation.
Okay, I don't visit Slashdot often enough to single people out.
That's because there aren't any to single out in the first place. It's like conservative wingnuts who rant and rave about the Democrats being socialists, when the wingnut has never actually seen a real, live socialist in his entire life.
The Mac aura is nothing other than the illusionary value that the Mac is supposed to possess over and beyond it's real subjective value, and this aura is what props up the price beyond blah blah blah blah
Wrong. A press recount proved that a statewide recount would have made Gore president, under any scenario. So, once again: deal with it.
Well you're both right.
Not really. Reality has a well known liberal bias for a reason.
However, no such count was ever formally requested and under every recound method requested by both parties at the time Bush won
Gore didn't start with that request because that's not how Florida law works - it provides for county by country recounts, not for statewide recounts. If the Republicans on the Supreme Court had actually been interested in equal protection instead of stopping the count when it favored their party's candidate, that's what they would have ordered.
And most of the 'illegal' overseas votes were from persons serving in the military which, because of mailing standards, due not always receive postmarks (which was the main point of contention). These votes are pretty much uniformly accepted country wide.
It's the double standard. Military votes, even ones blatantly violating election law, were included even as Republicans were crying a river over the "hanging chads".
You did leave out the part about the news stations declaring the polls closed before the polls in the heavily republican districts of the pan handle actually were. That alone could account for hundreds, if not thousands of votes, mostly Republican.
I generally don't mention baseless Republican talking points. What did happen was some media sources erroneously called the state early for Gore, and then trampled the other way when Karl Rove's cousin called the state for Bush.
but that one happened 8 years ago so everyone just needs to get over it.
Um, what? Do that stolen election, our national debt has doubled, thousands of Americans have been needlessly killed or wounded, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, a major hurricane ignored, our government has tortured innocent people, and our economy is in tatters.
And they're trying to do it again. They did their best in 2004, although it might not have been necessary to re-elect Bush. They've passed a draconian, baseless voter ID law in Indiana, upheld by Bush's Supreme Court nomination. They pressured US Attorneys to prosecute cases of voter fraud, and when some couldn't find (or invent) any, they were fired. Now Republicans want to use home foreclosure lists to challenge voters or for having any discrepancies in personal information in government databases. This would disenfranchise Joe the Republican Plumber (because one such database misspelled his name), except they don't want to scrutinize all "questionable" registrations, only new ones. In a heavily Democratic year.
So no, I'm not going to get over their continuing attempts to pervert our democracy.
To show a Mac Tax on systems when the only "tax" is on hdd/memory upgrades.
GORE LOST FLORIDA!!!
When you're in a hole, stop digging. Gore won Florida, as a statewide press recount proved. Republicans stole the election in 2000 - deal with it.
Did you not read my previous post? You know, the one where people fraudulently registered and then fraudulently voted?
You mean the breathless, crazy story from a tabloid rag?
That has been debunked repeatedly over the past 8 years, yet you people keep saying it as if it will somehow make it true.
As is usually the case, take the opposite of the wingnut viewpoint and you have reality. A statewide recount conducted by the press proved that Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush - which wouldn't have even been necessary if Katherine Harris hadn't purged thousands of eligible voters.
That would be cool, except it would be false. Take the economy for example. It was going great, breaking records even from 2002 to 2006. From 2006 to today, it's gone to shit. What happened in 2006? Oh yeah, the Democrats took over Congress. And anyone who has glanced over the Constitution knows that Congress controls the economy. So, how's this:
Wow, those must have been some terrible bills the Democrats passed since 2006 to wreck the economy in less than two years. Care to name them? What's that, you can't? You mean you're really full of shit? Huh, interesting.
The press proved Bush the winner.
Wrong. The press proved that a statewide recount would have made Gore POTUS under any scenario.
Why, oh why God, would someone successfully commit voter fraud to gain the ability to vote fraudulently and then NOT VOTE FRAUDULENTLY. Just for shits and giggles?
Why, oh why God, did my absent-minded 95 year old grandmother put a 12" butcher knife in her carry on luggage if not to hijack a plane and crash it into a building?
Read up on the US Attorney scandal. The USA's were pressured to find cases of voter fraud to prosecute. They couldn't find any, and when they wouldn't pull a Ken Starr they were fired. More people die from bee stings every year than are convicted of vote fraud. And yet Republicans are willing to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people across the country in order to prevent instances of a crime that you can count on one or two hands. It should be painfully obvious that they don't actually care about vote fraud, it's all a sham to suppress the vote.
Sorry, but you're being selfishly narrow minded
Yeah, I frequently get that from people who are overly dense.
You are also putting words into my mouth and I find that offensive.
Are you high? We can all see what you wrote I'm replying to that.
While "policies or practices" does include turning in every registration form, that is a disingenuous, extremely narrow interpretation of the phrase.
Just what part of "the law requires all forms to be turned in" are you not understanding?
It also includes employee training, telling them that they will get caught and fired if they turn in fake records.
Which...ACORN...also...does.
It involves gathering data to help with prosecution
Which...ACORN...also...does.
You're asking for an investigation into an organization that is following the law, takes quality control seriously, and goes out of it's way to alert elections officials to questionable registrations. When can we send over Ken Starr to investigate your ass?
I just notice a lot more Apple fanboys on Slashdot
Name one. Name a single Kool Aid drinking, Steve-Jobs-shit-doesn't-stink Apple fanboy.
I just notice a lot more Apple fanboys on Slashdot/i>
Name one. Name a single Kool Aid drinking, Steve-Jobs-shit-doesn't-stink Apple fanboy.
That's okay. I'm always amazed how no one calls repeat customers for Nokia, Honda, Lexus or Pioneer "fanboys" or doubts their intelligence just because they like the company's product, yet they do for Mac users.
Huh?!? Of course they are required to! No duh! We can't have people taking voter registration forms and arbitrarily not turn them in. Nobody has said that they shouldn't turn them in. Argue with what is written if you must, but don't argue against what you wish I had said.
Um, I am.
This isn't the first time this has happened "to" ACORN. Drawing the connection to the Democrat party isn't a stretch. At a minimum, Obama used to work for them. I'm not going to blame ACORN, yet. Let there be an investigation. Yes, I know that phrase is overused, but here it's warranted. Something about their policies or practices is allowing a tendency of fraud.
Their "policies or practices is allowing a tendency of fraud" is called following federal law, which was the point.
You mean like welfare, that students can claim in the form of "student discounts". no one who works for a living gets discounts.
Like 55 year olds that can start using senior discounts 10-12 years before retirement?
Actually, driving is a right as well. You have to have the freedom to travel to use your right of free association, and traveling = driving for most of the United States.
At least in the state of Wisconsin getting a DL or ID costs $28 and is free to renew. Is there really such a large portion of the population that can't afford $28 lifetime? 13 cents a day for a year?
Why should someone have to go through the expense of getting a drivers license if they don't have a care? What is your rational for insisting that a fee be paid before people are entitled to their Constitutional rights?
Discard that if you want, even when the government offered to pay for the IDs as part of the Real ID act it was unacceptable.
Because the handful of cases of actual voter fraud are a molehill next to the mountain of voter disenfranchisement. Getting enough people to show up with 'Mickey Mouse' registration cards to swing an election is an enormous task. Whereas disenfranchisement robs thousands of voters of their Constitutional rights, and the Republicans already used it to steal a presidential election.
Drawing the connection to the Democrat party isn't a stretch.
Actually, even Gumby would tear an arm out of it's socket if he tried to reach that far. ACORN is required by law to turn in all registration forms, so they flag the suspicious ones.