The effect of the OWS was not really to the government either, but it was to those who live/work in the city. Don't you get it?
No, you didn't get it. Being a PITA to local bourgeoisie is the idea. If you have to step outside of your bubble because you were 15 minutes late to work you may actually pay attention long enough to demand change to the status quo.
Zuccotti Park wasn't the protesters' original destination. The organizers first tweeted plans to gather at Wall Street's iconic Charging Bull Statue and at 1 Chase Plaza. But the New York Police Department got wind of that and barricaded both locations, which are city-owned parks that require protests to have permits.
And you do know OWS was a nationwide protest movement, yes? Case in point, the pepper spraying pig meme after the assault on protesters on UC Davis.
Voting is a right for citizens. Which is why it should require an ID or passport.
Nope, still bullshit. Non-citizens trying to vote is a problem that doesn't functionally exist, in the same way that pinning your hopes on a winning Powerball ticket isn't a functional retirement plan. A driver's license isn't going to tell you if someone is here on a green card, anyway, and a passport is going to cost you over $100, and possibly several hundred if you need to get a birth certificate.
Speaking of birth certificates, if these unjustifiable voter ID laws had been in place decades ago, Ronald Reagan may not have been able to vote in any of the elections where he ran for president. Because, like many Americans, he was born at home and never had a birth certificate.
In-person vote fraud is so rare that you may as well try to prevent unicorns from voting. The number of legitimate voters disenfranchised by this bullshit is very real, though.
ftfy. Where in the Constitution is purchasing alcohol an enumerated right? Entering the country is a right for citizens, which is why they want you to have your passport to prove your citizenship. A drivers license is not proof of citizenship - and when was the last time you saw a voting booth at a border crossing, anyway?
Being free from unreasonable searches and seizures is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Being free from having soldiers camp out in your house when deployed is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Being free from the cops torturing you into a false confession is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Having an attorney if you are put on trial is a right, it doesn't require ID.
You don't need to take a day off work if you can visit the nearest polling place over your lunch break, or vote outside of work hours. Not so for the nearest DMV that's 40 miles away and only open 8-5. And if you've worked at the same Wal-Mart for the last 15 years they aren't going to care if you have a valid ID or not, since you've already been hired.
So it looks like the person full of shit here is....you.
And you don't have to show ID to enjoy your rights. You don't have to show ID for the right to enter a church or peaceably assemble. As in-person vote fraud is so rare as to be functionally non-existent, there is no justification for voter ID laws.
Which costs money, idiot. And wont help you if the nearest DMV is in the next town over. Idiot.
because you damn well know this will shut down illegal voting
Except that illegal voting is functionally non-existed, idiot. You have far more people with a winning Powerball ticket as their retirement plan as you do of cases of in-person vote fraud.
And, as others have said, how the fuck do you have two jobs without a Social Security card and/or a State or Federal ID?
Where the fuck is your imagination? You've been working at the local Burger King and stocking overnights at the same Wal-Mart for the last 15 years. But you have no ID or one that's expired - and now you're supposed to take time off work to travel 60 miles round trip to the nearest DMV to get a new one.
I feel the electronic voting machines should have a few questions on the constitution and civics and only after you answer them correctly should you be shown the screen which allows you to vote. Too many people who have no idea of what democracy means vote hence making the whole exercise a farce where the one with the most TV time (and by extension the most corporate lobbies) wins because most people dont know what they are voting for.
Why not drop all pretenses and call for the creation of an untouchables caste a la India? As long as you're being an elitist prick, might as well go for broke.
Why should anyone who can't afford a small stake in society be allowed to vote at all?
Finally, someone who is honest about not wanting poor people to have a say in their own governance. I'll be honest with you, too: elitists like yourself are why labor camps were invented.
I am in principle in favor of more stringent voter ID laws, if we could disentangle them from the silly issues that they're being used (I agree) for voter suppression.
But that's the whole purpose of voter ID laws: vote suppression. It's a poll tax to keep "the mob" (i.e. poor people) from voting. When vote fraud (as opposed to election fraud or registration fraud, which wouldn't be prevented with ID) is functionally non-existent, there's no justification for requiring ID.
It is, you elitist prick. Just how much money do you think poor people have for hotel rooms and plane tickets, to pick two items from your list? Just how rarefied is the air in your bourgeois bubble?
No it's not - that's total BULLSHIT - but not surprising coming from you.
YOUR bullshit. Cases of fraudulent votes that would have been prevented by ID are on the order of a few dozen - out of a billion votes cast over multiple elections.
If you're already on welfare you just go to the local DMV or state house
Which costs money - money the destitute don't have. Moreso when the nearest DMV office is 30 miles from you.
That's why it's legal and passed constitutional muster by several courts Charlie Brown.
Voting is a right. You don't have to show ID to enjoy your rights, dipshit. Do you have to show ID to enter a church? Be free from unreasonable searches and seizures? No, you don't. And don't bother brining up the 2nd amendment until you've read the first sentence in it.
It is indeed: stop pushing the voter ID canard as it's a "solution" looking for a problem that doesn't functionally exist. Most of the examples used by voter ID proponents are registration fraud, which is not vote fraud, and the rest wouldn't have been prevented by ID anyway - felons voting, voting in person and absentee, voting while not meeting residency requirements, etc.
Mickey Mouse trying to vote is a unicorn. The thousands of people disenfranchised from bullshit voter ID laws are not.
For good reason: you don't want people registering voters to decide on their own which ones should be thrown in the trash. You want a group affiliated with the Democratic party throwing your registration out because they think you may have voted for Trump? Didn't think so.
But back to the sophistry. Vote registration fraud is not vote fraud. Right wingers are perfectly aware of this, but they like to pretend they're the same thing in order to confuse people. Which is one of the many reasons why right-wingers are assholes.
Have... have you noticed what happened to Detroit? Or what's happening to Chicago?
Have you noticed there's no connection between your premise and your conclusion? Union's had fuck-all to do with Detroit moving factories to Mexico, you can thank Bill Clinton and NAFTA for that.
When right-wing politicians slash taxes and use the eventual deficits as an excuse to union-bust workers on their earned benefits
Even if your uncited assertion is true, its not as if terrorism - in reality violence the US doesn't approve of - is limited to suicide bombers. And you didn't answer the question. For something that is cited, the USAF knows that drone strikes are a major recruiting tool for Al Queda.
Your are free to protest. It doesn't mean you can move onto public land and live there.
Camping on public land was the greatest protest idea since the 60's - which is why Obama crushed OWS at the federal level. Because a nice, polite, convenient protest is an irrelevant protest. But when all else fails (before violent riots) you make yourself enough of a (non-violent) pain in the ass that its easier for TPTB to throw you a bone than continuing to ignore you.
Germany is a unicorn in the capitalist world. In the United States, unions have to go on strike to fight wage cuts, even if the corporation they work is enjoying historic profit levels. Whereas in Germany, unions react to automation by demanding a 28 hour work week.
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Do you want to try that again after reading the first sentence of the 2nd Amendment?
No, you didn't get it. Being a PITA to local bourgeoisie is the idea. If you have to step outside of your bubble because you were 15 minutes late to work you may actually pay attention long enough to demand change to the status quo.
Thanks for a link that backs up my point:
And you do know OWS was a nationwide protest movement, yes? Case in point, the pepper spraying pig meme after the assault on protesters on UC Davis.
Translation: don't throw facts into my bullshit defenses of an unjustifiable policy to address a problem that is so rare it may as well not exist!
The destitute don't get checks or have bank accounts. If you actually grew up poor you would know this.
Didn't say anything about minorities, Captain Dumbfuck.
Was the Bonus Army protesting in towns, cities and state capitals across the country?
Nope, still bullshit. Non-citizens trying to vote is a problem that doesn't functionally exist, in the same way that pinning your hopes on a winning Powerball ticket isn't a functional retirement plan. A driver's license isn't going to tell you if someone is here on a green card, anyway, and a passport is going to cost you over $100, and possibly several hundred if you need to get a birth certificate.
Speaking of birth certificates, if these unjustifiable voter ID laws had been in place decades ago, Ronald Reagan may not have been able to vote in any of the elections where he ran for president. Because, like many Americans, he was born at home and never had a birth certificate.
In-person vote fraud is so rare that you may as well try to prevent unicorns from voting. The number of legitimate voters disenfranchised by this bullshit is very real, though.
Voting is a right, it doesn't require ID.
ftfy. Where in the Constitution is purchasing alcohol an enumerated right? Entering the country is a right for citizens, which is why they want you to have your passport to prove your citizenship. A drivers license is not proof of citizenship - and when was the last time you saw a voting booth at a border crossing, anyway?
Being free from unreasonable searches and seizures is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Being free from having soldiers camp out in your house when deployed is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Being free from the cops torturing you into a false confession is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Having an attorney if you are put on trial is a right, it doesn't require ID.
Voting is a right, it doesn't require ID.
You don't need to take a day off work if you can visit the nearest polling place over your lunch break, or vote outside of work hours. Not so for the nearest DMV that's 40 miles away and only open 8-5. And if you've worked at the same Wal-Mart for the last 15 years they aren't going to care if you have a valid ID or not, since you've already been hired.
So it looks like the person full of shit here is....you.
Care to try that again, without the dumbassery of pretending Alabama is the entire country and that this one law represents all voter ID legislation?
And you don't have to show ID to enjoy your rights. You don't have to show ID for the right to enter a church or peaceably assemble. As in-person vote fraud is so rare as to be functionally non-existent, there is no justification for voter ID laws.
Which costs money, idiot. And wont help you if the nearest DMV is in the next town over. Idiot.
Except that illegal voting is functionally non-existed, idiot. You have far more people with a winning Powerball ticket as their retirement plan as you do of cases of in-person vote fraud.
No, it doesn't. Did you bother to read your own link? Nowhere did it say a SSN card was required for employment.
Where the fuck is your imagination? You've been working at the local Burger King and stocking overnights at the same Wal-Mart for the last 15 years. But you have no ID or one that's expired - and now you're supposed to take time off work to travel 60 miles round trip to the nearest DMV to get a new one.
Why not drop all pretenses and call for the creation of an untouchables caste a la India? As long as you're being an elitist prick, might as well go for broke.
Finally, someone who is honest about not wanting poor people to have a say in their own governance. I'll be honest with you, too: elitists like yourself are why labor camps were invented.
But that's the whole purpose of voter ID laws: vote suppression. It's a poll tax to keep "the mob" (i.e. poor people) from voting. When vote fraud (as opposed to election fraud or registration fraud, which wouldn't be prevented with ID) is functionally non-existent, there's no justification for requiring ID.
It is, you elitist prick. Just how much money do you think poor people have for hotel rooms and plane tickets, to pick two items from your list? Just how rarefied is the air in your bourgeois bubble?
YOUR bullshit. Cases of fraudulent votes that would have been prevented by ID are on the order of a few dozen - out of a billion votes cast over multiple elections.
Which costs money - money the destitute don't have. Moreso when the nearest DMV office is 30 miles from you.
Voting is a right. You don't have to show ID to enjoy your rights, dipshit. Do you have to show ID to enter a church? Be free from unreasonable searches and seizures? No, you don't. And don't bother brining up the 2nd amendment until you've read the first sentence in it.
It is indeed: stop pushing the voter ID canard as it's a "solution" looking for a problem that doesn't functionally exist. Most of the examples used by voter ID proponents are registration fraud, which is not vote fraud, and the rest wouldn't have been prevented by ID anyway - felons voting, voting in person and absentee, voting while not meeting residency requirements, etc.
Mickey Mouse trying to vote is a unicorn. The thousands of people disenfranchised from bullshit voter ID laws are not.
For good reason: you don't want people registering voters to decide on their own which ones should be thrown in the trash. You want a group affiliated with the Democratic party throwing your registration out because they think you may have voted for Trump? Didn't think so.
But back to the sophistry. Vote registration fraud is not vote fraud. Right wingers are perfectly aware of this, but they like to pretend they're the same thing in order to confuse people. Which is one of the many reasons why right-wingers are assholes.
Have you noticed there's no connection between your premise and your conclusion? Union's had fuck-all to do with Detroit moving factories to Mexico, you can thank Bill Clinton and NAFTA for that.
FTFY
Even if your uncited assertion is true, its not as if terrorism - in reality violence the US doesn't approve of - is limited to suicide bombers. And you didn't answer the question. For something that is cited, the USAF knows that drone strikes are a major recruiting tool for Al Queda.
Camping on public land was the greatest protest idea since the 60's - which is why Obama crushed OWS at the federal level. Because a nice, polite, convenient protest is an irrelevant protest. But when all else fails (before violent riots) you make yourself enough of a (non-violent) pain in the ass that its easier for TPTB to throw you a bone than continuing to ignore you.
That was your gal Thatcher who made it a deliberate policy to de-industrialize the country.
Germany is a unicorn in the capitalist world. In the United States, unions have to go on strike to fight wage cuts, even if the corporation they work is enjoying historic profit levels. Whereas in Germany, unions react to automation by demanding a 28 hour work week.