It looks from the screenshot that they are doing the Linux version the same way they did the MS-Windows version, with many windows inside a larger one. I'd much prefer to have the windows be seperate entities, as that allows for a larger browsing space, while still leaving room for other applications. It also makes it harder to switch between other apps and a specific browser window.
The benefits are that you can have many browsing windows open without cluttering up, for instance, the taskbar in KDE, or simply without running numerous processes, which can be difficult to switch between. It also allows for such features as tiling and cascading only the Opera windows.
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have multiple windows, especially with the multihomepages of Opera. I could open Opera and get a browser with slashdot, one with links to the comics I read, and one with google. Or somesuch.
50 bucks for a 386? Yikes, that's high! I got a 486 with 16 megs of ram for 30 bucks at the MIT Flea Market. If you're in the Boston area, it's a great place to pick up obsolete computers and parts. The Miter's Page about the MIT Flea Market ---
Keep in mind that "Linux" (the kernel) is GPLed and will forever be GPLed. Also, much of the software distributed by RedHat is GPLed as well. And also, RedHat owns very little of what they sell (in the copyright sense), and much of THAT is GPLed as well. So, those proprietary extensions would have to be completely new, not based on anything GPLed, including previous GPL RedHat works. The codebase can't fork, the GPL (and other free licences) prevent that. ---
This is quite true. I have been using Win2K for a while now at work, and it has never crashed. No tonce in the entire month I've been using it for. That's not to say that it doesn't have some problems, but they are not stability problems.
I'm not doing anything high-powered though, and I don't know how much went into setting up this box (I was given it when I began as an intern here). ---
A very easy to use interface will allow very stupid people (VSP) to use it. If VSP can't use it, then they won't.
If VSP use the interface, then the average level of intelligence of the end-users decreases. This is part of the reason that VSP don't use Linux today: it doesn't have a very easy to use interface. ---
I agree with many of the posters here: a penny size disk is too small.
But, I wouldn't complain about having disks smaller than current CDs/DVDs. Minidisk size seems just about right, to me. Small enough to fit in a pocket (with a case, prob., for these things), and large enough not to lose easily, and to be written on (sorta). ---
Please please don't use that phrase, "like they were intended". PCs are intended to be general purpose machines. If they were intended to be renderboxes only, then they would be built to do ONLY THAT. Also, SETI is a lot more important than Quake, so don't say people "should" be playing Quake. What if they don't like quake? I don't.
And, as fast as possible is a good thing because the faster we analyze the data, the faster the humand race, collectively, accumulates knowlege. This is, IMO, a good thing. It doesn't matter how fast the individual computers go, just how fast the project goes as a whole. ---
True, tracking by IP is not easy, but it is possible, especially for a dedicated legal staff who is willing to subpoena their way through obstacles. Almost all ISPs log IP to account relationships, for each session (with the start/stop times). The ISP I worked at for a while did it so we could track down people who launched DoS attacks and such. I know that we kicked more than one user for that during the 8 months I worked there. ---
The problem is, some company would make up a huge list of sites, and sell that. Maybe they would draw off the specialized ones, maybe not, but I seriously doubt that we would end up with lots of really small lists only. We would have some small lists, but also large lists provided by companies similar to those that provide blocker software today. So, it's the same result.
That is why we submit to experts; we have doctors figure out why we're sick, mutual fund managers to handle our investments, lawyers to sue the idiot who ran into your car, geeks to keep our computers running. And, unfortunately, blocker software manufacturers to decide what is right for our kids. People who use blocker software don't want to go through the trouble of getting lists and putting them into some program. They just want a program which they can install which will keep their kids away from "dangerous" sites.
Now, maybe if a company provided software with the "turn on sites" paradigm rather than the "turn off sites paradigm. The software could come with a bunch of lists for different interests, which could be automatically updated over the 'net as the company changed the lists. Then, the user would have a lot of checkboxes (or a better way to choose lists, esp. if there are a *lot* of lists), and would simply choose which groups they wanted to use. It eliminates the need for the user to go out and get the lists. The software could also, very easily, support custom lists, which would be particularly good for companies, and for parents whose kids want to use some specific site that isn't on any of the provided lists. ---
I use the command line when I need to, I don't use it when I don't. Though I often find myself running pico in an xterm (no flames please), rather than loading up some slow gui editor. But when I start up my machine, I start into X (gotta restart, other people use win98).
And nothing is wrong with me. I don't see what's wrong with not using a command line. I try to use the best tool for the task, and most of what I do on my computer is email and webbrowsing. Since I haven't bothered to learn Pine yet, it's Netscape for me.
BTW, what's the best browser for Linux? I haven't found any really good ones. Netscape closes all the windows when you close the first one you opened, Amaya is clunky, Mosaic won't compile (yes, I'm still trying), Lynx is only text, and most of the others are in beta, if not all. Any suggestions? ---
Obviously, to you, it is a competition, since otherwise you would not want "a chance to really participate". You would just want the project to be completed as fast as possible. ---
Make that, oh, around 20 million entire CDs per day. One CD takes me 15 minutes to rip and encode. They've got 290 kiloclients or so. Work it out. My estimate assumes they aren't working for the entire day. Anyone know how many unique CDs there are total in the world? ---
So, they use a check. Sortof like the hash or MD5 suggested earlier on the distributed.net thread. Since they aren't worried about performance anyways, a little slowdown won't hurt. ---
They can't distribute the splitting project because the data blocks are HUGE. I'm guessing that the data comes in large chunks, maybe just one large chunk, even. If they could distribute that, they wouldn't need to, because the blocks would be small enough to send on their own. ---
They're worried about running out of blocks to process? Isn't that the idea?
The problem is that the data they want to process doesn't come in blocks, it comes in one big chunk (or several), and they can't break it up fast enough to keep up with the blocks being finished. ---
Isn't this really the same as your local Ford dealership saying that Chrysler is more apt to break down, not get as good mileage, steal your money, etc
No, it's more like your Ford dealership making Chryslers move slower when they are nearby. Or, when you own a Ford, making all the Chyslers appear to move slower than they actually do. ---
Slashdot Mirror
It looks from the screenshot that they are doing the Linux version the same way they did the MS-Windows version, with many windows inside a larger one. I'd much prefer to have the windows be seperate entities, as that allows for a larger browsing space, while still leaving room for other applications. It also makes it harder to switch between other apps and a specific browser window.
The benefits are that you can have many browsing windows open without cluttering up, for instance, the taskbar in KDE, or simply without running numerous processes, which can be difficult to switch between. It also allows for such features as tiling and cascading only the Opera windows.
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to have multiple windows, especially with the multihomepages of Opera. I could open Opera and get a browser with slashdot, one with links to the comics I read, and one with google. Or somesuch.
What do you think?
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before Panix took down the page? I didn't grab the script, unfortunately. I don't even want a cgi mirror, just the script itself.
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50 bucks for a 386? Yikes, that's high! I got a 486 with 16 megs of ram for 30 bucks at the MIT Flea Market. If you're in the Boston area, it's a great place to pick up obsolete computers and parts. The Miter's Page about the MIT Flea Market
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Because after all, only college students are idealistic. Really.
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Keep in mind that "Linux" (the kernel) is GPLed and will forever be GPLed. Also, much of the software distributed by RedHat is GPLed as well. And also, RedHat owns very little of what they sell (in the copyright sense), and much of THAT is GPLed as well. So, those proprietary extensions would have to be completely new, not based on anything GPLed, including previous GPL RedHat works. The codebase can't fork, the GPL (and other free licences) prevent that.
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This is quite true. I have been using Win2K for a while now at work, and it has never crashed. No tonce in the entire month I've been using it for. That's not to say that it doesn't have some problems, but they are not stability problems.
I'm not doing anything high-powered though, and I don't know how much went into setting up this box (I was given it when I began as an intern here).
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A very easy to use interface will allow very stupid people (VSP) to use it. If VSP can't use it, then they won't.
If VSP use the interface, then the average level of intelligence of the end-users decreases. This is part of the reason that VSP don't use Linux today: it doesn't have a very easy to use interface.
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I used the pause key just the other day, to pause the POST on an old 486 I'm setting up. Hah!
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Examples of short perl RSA scripts:
Crypto Sardines
The Smallest Perl Munitions
There are many other pages on this, but the second one is the official one, I believe.
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For that matter, there is already a 3 line (IIRC) perl script that does this. Use whatever size key you want.
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Okay, now I know who MEEPT is. What still confuses me is why people post it. Are they saying that the article is hard to understand?
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That would require a lot of nano. You'd be better off using a solid state storage system for something like that than a disk you have to spin.
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Gee, this sounds like what we can expect from normal exponential growth, eh?
Yup. And this tech is what will allow that exponential growth to continue.
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I agree with many of the posters here: a penny size disk is too small.
But, I wouldn't complain about having disks smaller than current CDs/DVDs. Minidisk size seems just about right, to me. Small enough to fit in a pocket (with a case, prob., for these things), and large enough not to lose easily, and to be written on (sorta).
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Please please don't use that phrase, "like they were intended". PCs are intended to be general purpose machines. If they were intended to be renderboxes only, then they would be built to do ONLY THAT. Also, SETI is a lot more important than Quake, so don't say people "should" be playing Quake. What if they don't like quake? I don't.
And, as fast as possible is a good thing because the faster we analyze the data, the faster the humand race, collectively, accumulates knowlege. This is, IMO, a good thing. It doesn't matter how fast the individual computers go, just how fast the project goes as a whole.
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True, tracking by IP is not easy, but it is possible, especially for a dedicated legal staff who is willing to subpoena their way through obstacles. Almost all ISPs log IP to account relationships, for each session (with the start/stop times). The ISP I worked at for a while did it so we could track down people who launched DoS attacks and such. I know that we kicked more than one user for that during the 8 months I worked there.
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The problem is, some company would make up a huge list of sites, and sell that. Maybe they would draw off the specialized ones, maybe not, but I seriously doubt that we would end up with lots of really small lists only. We would have some small lists, but also large lists provided by companies similar to those that provide blocker software today. So, it's the same result.
That is why we submit to experts; we have doctors figure out why we're sick, mutual fund managers to handle our investments, lawyers to sue the idiot who ran into your car, geeks to keep our computers running.
And, unfortunately, blocker software manufacturers to decide what is right for our kids. People who use blocker software don't want to go through the trouble of getting lists and putting them into some program. They just want a program which they can install which will keep their kids away from "dangerous" sites.
Now, maybe if a company provided software with the "turn on sites" paradigm rather than the "turn off sites paradigm. The software could come with a bunch of lists for different interests, which could be automatically updated over the 'net as the company changed the lists. Then, the user would have a lot of checkboxes (or a better way to choose lists, esp. if there are a *lot* of lists), and would simply choose which groups they wanted to use. It eliminates the need for the user to go out and get the lists. The software could also, very easily, support custom lists, which would be particularly good for companies, and for parents whose kids want to use some specific site that isn't on any of the provided lists.
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I use the command line when I need to, I don't use it when I don't. Though I often find myself running pico in an xterm (no flames please), rather than loading up some slow gui editor. But when I start up my machine, I start into X (gotta restart, other people use win98).
And nothing is wrong with me. I don't see what's wrong with not using a command line. I try to use the best tool for the task, and most of what I do on my computer is email and webbrowsing. Since I haven't bothered to learn Pine yet, it's Netscape for me.
BTW, what's the best browser for Linux? I haven't found any really good ones. Netscape closes all the windows when you close the first one you opened, Amaya is clunky, Mosaic won't compile (yes, I'm still trying), Lynx is only text, and most of the others are in beta, if not all. Any suggestions?
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Obviously, to you, it is a competition, since otherwise you would not want "a chance to really participate". You would just want the project to be completed as fast as possible.
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Make that, oh, around 20 million entire CDs per day. One CD takes me 15 minutes to rip and encode. They've got 290 kiloclients or so. Work it out. My estimate assumes they aren't working for the entire day. Anyone know how many unique CDs there are total in the world?
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So, they use a check. Sortof like the hash or MD5 suggested earlier on the distributed.net thread. Since they aren't worried about performance anyways, a little slowdown won't hurt.
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They can't distribute the splitting project because the data blocks are HUGE. I'm guessing that the data comes in large chunks, maybe just one large chunk, even. If they could distribute that, they wouldn't need to, because the blocks would be small enough to send on their own.
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They're worried about running out of blocks to process? Isn't that the idea?
The problem is that the data they want to process doesn't come in blocks, it comes in one big chunk (or several), and they can't break it up fast enough to keep up with the blocks being finished.
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Could restricting access to certain parts be considered "moderating"? Could they be sued for illegal sites because of this?
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Isn't this really the same as your local Ford dealership saying that Chrysler is more apt to break down, not get as good mileage, steal your money, etc
No, it's more like your Ford dealership making Chryslers move slower when they are nearby. Or, when you own a Ford, making all the Chyslers appear to move slower than they actually do.
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