And if your assumption is that it hasn't improved, then you'd be incorrect. However, it's no longer intended to overfly areas where it's likely to meet the same fate, and it's done so for decades.
When you're discussing a global problem, there's nothing "illogical and stone headed" about caring what the rest of the world is doing. The rest of the world has an impact, and calling people dickhead doesn't help your argument.
Hell, Eratosthenes (of Sieve fame) calculated the circumference of the earth to within a few percent, and that was around 200 BC.
Picking nits here. You're obviously correct that he knew it wasn't flat, but wikipedia indicates that we don't really know how accurate he was.
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth without leaving Egypt. Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon in the Ancient Egyptian city of Swenet (known in Greek as Syene, and in the modern day as Aswan) on the Tropic of Cancer, the sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead (he had been told that the shadow of someone looking down a deep well would block the reflection of the Sun at noon). He also knew, from measurement, that in his hometown of Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the sun was 1/50th of a circle (712') south of the zenith on the solstice noon. Assuming that the Earth was spherical (360), and that Alexandria was due north of Syene, he concluded that the meridian arc distance from Alexandria to Syene must therefore be 1/50 = 712'/360, and was therefore 1/50 of the total circumference of the Earth. His knowledge of the size of Egypt after many generations of surveying trips for the Pharaonic bookkeepers gave a distance between the cities of 5000 stadia (about 500 geographical miles or 800 km). This distance was corroborated by inquiring about the time that it takes to travel from Syene to Alexandria by camel. He rounded the result to a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is frequently argued. The common Attic stadion was about 185 m,[9] which would imply a circumference of 46,620 km, i.e. 16.3% too large. However, if we assume that Eratosthenes used the "Egyptian stadion"[10] of about 157.5 m, his measurement turns out to be 39,690 km, an error of less than 2%
Meh, they'd just do like they always do and either not tell anyone, or make up some story about how the plane was shot down while engaging in a 6 on 1 dog fight, heroically saving the nation from flying terrorists...
Riiiight...we just don't tell anyone about dead bodies. Get a grip. Would love to see you dig up any citation indicating anything close to your comment.
So, by your logic, if I see someone being raped or murdered, it's "none of your fucking business".
Remember not to ask for help when it happens to you...and we all need help sometimes because there are plenty of jackasses that just want to dominate others.
My point is that you can not make the "reasonable assumption" that the two halves are representative, any less than you could in my examples. Why would you be any less likely to find differences in space than you would in those? I'm not an astronomer, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that there are similar unique qualities that could only be explored from one. The article linked below shows differences seen with simple latitude changes.
Yes, I fully understand that "this depends on what you're after". Try not to jump to conclusions about someone's understanding of science before you know anything about them. I expect that kind of thing from youngsters, but I'm betting from your low ID that you've been around the block a few times.
While you did specifically call out commuter rail (VRE), I was talking about the Metro system in general...nits. Also, your "real data" is a simple survey (unreliable) for VRE...My "confirmation bias" came from Fairfax County's official numbers...http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/gendemo.htm#inc. As for trusting your knowledge and experience...I've lived in NOVA since '82 and have a household income of more than double the average, so I'll continue to trust my own. I'm sure we'd continue to just disagree, so I'm done with this thread.
No. You're not like "the majority of the population": you have a problem with authority, while most people don't.
Like the majority of the population of slashdot, both of you have expressed opinion rather than fact. Obviously, one of you is correct, proving which it is requires more than a simple google search. I don't mean to pick on you, but this site used to be so much more informative, and instead what we're seeing in this thread is mostly armchair lawyers giving bad advice.
Median household/family income in Fairfax county is barely over 100k, and much less in the surrounding ones (from which much of the ridership comes)...not exactly "solid six figures". I'd bet dollars to donuts that the ridership average is less. That said, $100k puts you nowhere near being "Wealthy and influential", which was the GP's point.
North America is already a police state. Thinking otherwise is naive.
No, your comment is naive. You've clearly no idea what the term police state means. The average North American citizen only interacts with some form of "police" when they get pulled over for speeding, or go through an airport/border checkpoint. Are these rules an affront to our rights, absolutely. But you don't help the case by exaggeration.
Thanks for the link. Okay, I'm going to nitpick a bit here...
As mentioned in the article, the terms of Lend Lease were very generous (see the Wikipedia quote below), so these payments were really only 10% of the value. Which goes back to my original question of how you believe the US profited, while this clearly indicates the contrary.
My statement "The right thing to do" was related to payback (same sentence), not the reason for entry.
Not sure why you believe there's a "popular misconception among Americans..."...this fact is taught in every US history class.
Regarding trumpeting our own horns. Yes, there are plenty of braggarts here, and having lived overseas for a dozen years (Cold War vet), I didn't see any shortage of them in any of the 50+ countries I've been to. The ones I found most annoying (and embarrassing) were "Ugly Americans" around our military bases. But that's the nature of pumped up young 20-somethings...very full of themselves.
There was no charge for the Lend Lease aid delivered during the war, but the Americans did expect the return of some durable goods such as ships. Congress had not authorized the gift of supplies after the war, so the administration charged for them, usually at a 90% discount. Large quantities of undelivered goods were in Britain or in transit when Lend-Lease terminated on 2 September 1945. Britain wished to retain some of this equipment in the immediate post war period. In 1946, the post-war Anglo-American loan further indebted Britain to the U.S. Lend-lease items retained were sold to Britain at 10% of nominal value, giving an initial loan value of £1.075 billion for the Lend Lease portion of the post-war loans. Payment was to be stretched out over 50 annual payments, starting in 1951 and with five years of deferred payments, at 2% interest.[27] The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million), due on 31 December 2006 (repayment having been deferred in the allowed five years), was made on 29 December 2006 (the last working day of the year). After this final payment Britain's Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the U.S. for its wartime support.
Exactly how did the US profit? Did we gain territory, loot riches, or what? And don't forget, we lost over 400000 lives, and 670000 wounded.
I don't know the financial figures, and a quick google didn't come up with any, but I'd love to hear about the Euro countries paying back their debt...do you have any citations? In all honesty, I don't believe that as a nation, the US was/is looking for any payback...entering the war was the right thing to do. I know that my own grandparents were sending care packages over there for years after.
As for gratitude...Unfortunately, we've had more than our share of fuckups. And, as one of my old bosses told me, it takes 50 "atta-boys" to make up for one "aw-shit" I'd be happy if our leaders would just stop screwing the pooch.
This depends on what you're after. Having only half of a near limitless supply of information may not be a problem to you, as long as you can make the reasonable assumption that the two halves are statistically representative of the other.
So, maybe we should only study the Atlantic ocean? Or, just study the left part of our brains? No, you don't do that, it's poor science.
Don't let the internet bubble in any way interfere with your example of the 90s. Seriously, it wouldn't have mattered if we raised, lowered, or did nothing at that point it time...they were going to be boom years.
Circumference at equator = 24901.55 miles Circumference through poles = 24859.82 miles Difference = 41.73 miles or.167% more at the equator than the poles.
By the same reasoning, politicians shouldn't create legislation for the military, healthcare, agriculture, or banking. Should we also disallow judges from working cases outside of their expertise? While it's not a perfect scenario, these people don't work in a vacuum. They have advisers, who draft the bills for them...I doubt any bill in recent history was actually written by one of our congressmen. You can view nearly every politician as a small team because they always come with a group of people, and they should be judged by who they surround themselves with. And for those who claim to be non-judgmental, this is an exception that you need to make to that rule when you vote.
So, "they" will decide when you get to invade. I see how your democracy works...not that I'm enthralled with our own at the moment.
Side note: I grew up shooting my.22 on my grandparents property in Ontario...the groundhogs and crows were hated by the farmers. It was simple to transport a weapon across the border (from Michigan) back then (late 60s/early 70s). Can you even privately own weapons currently?
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And if your assumption is that it hasn't improved, then you'd be incorrect. However, it's no longer intended to overfly areas where it's likely to meet the same fate, and it's done so for decades.
Seems statistically insignificant. If the shuttle had had a single extra failure, the figures are nearly identical.
When you're discussing a global problem, there's nothing "illogical and stone headed" about caring what the rest of the world is doing. The rest of the world has an impact, and calling people dickhead doesn't help your argument.
So, in a few hundred years, to you think they'll look back and think of our current scientists as intelligent, or "lunatics and ignorant peasants"?
Hell, Eratosthenes (of Sieve fame) calculated the circumference of the earth to within a few percent, and that was around 200 BC.
Picking nits here. You're obviously correct that he knew it wasn't flat, but wikipedia indicates that we don't really know how accurate he was.
Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the Earth without leaving Egypt. Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon in the Ancient Egyptian city of Swenet (known in Greek as Syene, and in the modern day as Aswan) on the Tropic of Cancer, the sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead (he had been told that the shadow of someone looking down a deep well would block the reflection of the Sun at noon). He also knew, from measurement, that in his hometown of Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the sun was 1/50th of a circle (712') south of the zenith on the solstice noon. Assuming that the Earth was spherical (360), and that Alexandria was due north of Syene, he concluded that the meridian arc distance from Alexandria to Syene must therefore be 1/50 = 712'/360, and was therefore 1/50 of the total circumference of the Earth. His knowledge of the size of Egypt after many generations of surveying trips for the Pharaonic bookkeepers gave a distance between the cities of 5000 stadia (about 500 geographical miles or 800 km). This distance was corroborated by inquiring about the time that it takes to travel from Syene to Alexandria by camel. He rounded the result to a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is frequently argued. The common Attic stadion was about 185 m,[9] which would imply a circumference of 46,620 km, i.e. 16.3% too large. However, if we assume that Eratosthenes used the "Egyptian stadion"[10] of about 157.5 m, his measurement turns out to be 39,690 km, an error of less than 2%
I would have guessed at Occupy Wall Street since the media seems to be obsessed by it and it's constantly in the news.
Funny, I haven't heard a thing about it in the news over the last month. Are they still out, or just fair weather protesters?
Meh, they'd just do like they always do and either not tell anyone, or make up some story about how the plane was shot down while engaging in a 6 on 1 dog fight, heroically saving the nation from flying terrorists...
Riiiight...we just don't tell anyone about dead bodies. Get a grip. Would love to see you dig up any citation indicating anything close to your comment.
So, by your logic, if I see someone being raped or murdered, it's "none of your fucking business".
Remember not to ask for help when it happens to you...and we all need help sometimes because there are plenty of jackasses that just want to dominate others.
My point is that you can not make the "reasonable assumption" that the two halves are representative, any less than you could in my examples. Why would you be any less likely to find differences in space than you would in those? I'm not an astronomer, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that there are similar unique qualities that could only be explored from one. The article linked below shows differences seen with simple latitude changes.
http://www.wwnorton.com/college/astronomy/astro21/sandt/latitude.html
Yes, I fully understand that "this depends on what you're after". Try not to jump to conclusions about someone's understanding of science before you know anything about them. I expect that kind of thing from youngsters, but I'm betting from your low ID that you've been around the block a few times.
While you did specifically call out commuter rail (VRE), I was talking about the Metro system in general...nits. Also, your "real data" is a simple survey (unreliable) for VRE...My "confirmation bias" came from Fairfax County's official numbers...http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/demogrph/gendemo.htm#inc. As for trusting your knowledge and experience...I've lived in NOVA since '82 and have a household income of more than double the average, so I'll continue to trust my own. I'm sure we'd continue to just disagree, so I'm done with this thread.
No. You're not like "the majority of the population": you have a problem with authority, while most people don't.
Like the majority of the population of slashdot, both of you have expressed opinion rather than fact. Obviously, one of you is correct, proving which it is requires more than a simple google search. I don't mean to pick on you, but this site used to be so much more informative, and instead what we're seeing in this thread is mostly armchair lawyers giving bad advice.
Median household/family income in Fairfax county is barely over 100k, and much less in the surrounding ones (from which much of the ridership comes)...not exactly "solid six figures". I'd bet dollars to donuts that the ridership average is less. That said, $100k puts you nowhere near being "Wealthy and influential", which was the GP's point.
North America is already a police state. Thinking otherwise is naive.
No, your comment is naive. You've clearly no idea what the term police state means. The average North American citizen only interacts with some form of "police" when they get pulled over for speeding, or go through an airport/border checkpoint. Are these rules an affront to our rights, absolutely. But you don't help the case by exaggeration.
you have 2 choices
Which 2 of the 3 were you referring to?
Thanks for the link. Okay, I'm going to nitpick a bit here...
As mentioned in the article, the terms of Lend Lease were very generous (see the Wikipedia quote below), so these payments were really only 10% of the value. Which goes back to my original question of how you believe the US profited, while this clearly indicates the contrary.
My statement "The right thing to do" was related to payback (same sentence), not the reason for entry.
Not sure why you believe there's a "popular misconception among Americans..."...this fact is taught in every US history class.
Regarding trumpeting our own horns. Yes, there are plenty of braggarts here, and having lived overseas for a dozen years (Cold War vet), I didn't see any shortage of them in any of the 50+ countries I've been to. The ones I found most annoying (and embarrassing) were "Ugly Americans" around our military bases. But that's the nature of pumped up young 20-somethings...very full of themselves.
There was no charge for the Lend Lease aid delivered during the war, but the Americans did expect the return of some durable goods such as ships. Congress had not authorized the gift of supplies after the war, so the administration charged for them, usually at a 90% discount. Large quantities of undelivered goods were in Britain or in transit when Lend-Lease terminated on 2 September 1945. Britain wished to retain some of this equipment in the immediate post war period. In 1946, the post-war Anglo-American loan further indebted Britain to the U.S. Lend-lease items retained were sold to Britain at 10% of nominal value, giving an initial loan value of £1.075 billion for the Lend Lease portion of the post-war loans. Payment was to be stretched out over 50 annual payments, starting in 1951 and with five years of deferred payments, at 2% interest.[27] The final payment of $83.3 million (£42.5 million), due on 31 December 2006 (repayment having been deferred in the allowed five years), was made on 29 December 2006 (the last working day of the year). After this final payment Britain's Economic Secretary to the Treasury, Ed Balls, formally thanked the U.S. for its wartime support.
Including Korea, the first Gulf War, and Bosnia? Seriously? I can understand objections to some of the others, but these all were necessary evils.
Exactly how did the US profit? Did we gain territory, loot riches, or what? And don't forget, we lost over 400000 lives, and 670000 wounded.
I don't know the financial figures, and a quick google didn't come up with any, but I'd love to hear about the Euro countries paying back their debt...do you have any citations? In all honesty, I don't believe that as a nation, the US was/is looking for any payback...entering the war was the right thing to do. I know that my own grandparents were sending care packages over there for years after.
As for gratitude...Unfortunately, we've had more than our share of fuckups. And, as one of my old bosses told me, it takes 50 "atta-boys" to make up for one "aw-shit" I'd be happy if our leaders would just stop screwing the pooch.
This depends on what you're after. Having only half of a near limitless supply of information may not be a problem to you, as long as you can make the reasonable assumption that the two halves are statistically representative of the other.
So, maybe we should only study the Atlantic ocean? Or, just study the left part of our brains? No, you don't do that, it's poor science.
Don't let the internet bubble in any way interfere with your example of the 90s. Seriously, it wouldn't have mattered if we raised, lowered, or did nothing at that point it time...they were going to be boom years.
Circumference at equator = 24901.55 miles .167% more at the equator than the poles.
Circumference through poles = 24859.82 miles
Difference = 41.73 miles or
Reference http://geography.about.com/library/faq/blqzcircumference.htm
Who cares which of the two delusional religious nutjobs is going to lose the presidential election?
If you don't believe that Romney has a significant chance at dethroning Obama, I'd wager that you're the delusional one.
By the same reasoning, politicians shouldn't create legislation for the military, healthcare, agriculture, or banking. Should we also disallow judges from working cases outside of their expertise? While it's not a perfect scenario, these people don't work in a vacuum. They have advisers, who draft the bills for them...I doubt any bill in recent history was actually written by one of our congressmen. You can view nearly every politician as a small team because they always come with a group of people, and they should be judged by who they surround themselves with. And for those who claim to be non-judgmental, this is an exception that you need to make to that rule when you vote.
So, "they" will decide when you get to invade. I see how your democracy works...not that I'm enthralled with our own at the moment.
Side note: I grew up shooting my .22 on my grandparents property in Ontario...the groundhogs and crows were hated by the farmers. It was simple to transport a weapon across the border (from Michigan) back then (late 60s/early 70s). Can you even privately own weapons currently?
At some point Canada is going to have to man-up, invade, and bring democracy back to the USA
Maybe they could if they hadn't already lost the right to bear arms.
Please tell me you didn't just ask a geek crowd to comment on hygiene!?!
And yes, I'm playing the stereotype card.