50 is old enough to be seriously out of touch with electronic communications. We are talking about 50 year olds that don't work in IT or any related field and who went to school back when computers didn't exist and international phone calls had to be booked via an operator. Their main skills are manipulating people not technology.
Think you're off by a few years. I'm over 50, and most of my peers are up to date on comms, and social media. Computers were available to me all the way back in high school...hell, I soldered one of the boards we put into our Altair. My 35 year high school reunion was just organized via e-mail & Facebook.
"About to close"? Laugh at mental picture of hordes of people trapped in long rush hours jams on a at least twice a day basis for years feeling like their cars has been running free all that time.
Okay, ya got me on the Hummer...kinda. The sale to the Chinese fell through, and GM had some other offers for it.
You might not have noticed, but the price of used SUVs has skyrocketed during the last year. There's a reason for that too, and it's not the great gas mileage.
We've seen over and over again that every time fuel prices peak, people start selling their jacked-up pickup trucks and SUVs and buying smaller cars. And when fuel prices are dirt-cheap, everyone buys the biggest SUV they can find.
You're basing this on what? Fuel prices have quadrupled over the last ten years, do you see fewer SUVs...I didn't think so.
What do you need to see around the car in front of you for?
If you're not looking at traffic in front of the vehicle that's in front of you, then you're doing it wrong. Yes, we've all been taught about safe driving distances, but you will never see them work in daily commuting in any large city...people will continuously scoot around, and fill in the gap. I'd bet dollars to donuts, that less than 1% of drivers come anywhere close to following the guideline. In the Washington DC suburbs, I'm frequently in highway traffic, where the norm is less than two car lengths at 60-70mph...I'm not recommending it, I'm just stating that it's a fact of life, and you have to learn to deal with it, or stay off the road.
Safe driving also involves anticipating what is going to happen, and by seeing the traffic farther ahead, you're able to adjust accordingly. Brakes can frequently be applied much earlier than if you were simply relying upon the brake lights of the vehicle in front of you...that's especially important in an emergency stop.
And I think you're on to something that I've argued for several times previously. I believe memorization is a useful skill, that comes with some practice. As a kid, I was forced to sit and memorize my multiplication table flash cards before I could have dinner. We also had to memorize all the countries on the planet for 5th grade, and the schematic for a superhetrodyne receiver (10th grade, 1973-4), and regurgitate it, with description for an exam. While I'm not suggesting we go back to that kind of practice, I do believe it helped me be able to remember things others struggle with. Some would argue that you're either born with that skill or not, and I'd agree to disagree.
This is in no way a discussion. It's pure and simple media manipulation. They'll screen the questions, or have specific ones they've set up with canned answers. To believe otherwise is simply naive. And this isn't a slam against Obama...it's political posturing.
I don't equate google searches to accurate, timely, or the best financial data...especially since I tend to be a contrarian in the marketplace. So, while I see your point about NYT and Barrons readership, Barrons has served as all (but not source) of those for me.
It's not, but it's very popular outside the US to bash us.
Yes, it's all our fault, and the rest of the world is perfect. Seriously, do we have problems...yes. Do we know it...yes. Are we getting better or worse...depends on the topic, and who you ask.
As a kid, I hated the rote memorization of useless dates (instead of the important sequence of events) and facts that was required in our school system. As I matured, I've found history much more intriguing, especially since I've had the opportunity to travel or live in many historically significant locations.
I noticed that my daughter was going through the same dislike of history that I did. She was taking US history, and since I live in the DC metro area it was an easy drive to civil war battlefields, and many other important places, I thought it would help stir up some interest. No such luck. And to this date, I've never met a kid that enjoys history.
Blame the parents all you want, but I believe there's something in the aging process that does it for us. I'd speculate also, that this might be related to the fact that teens rarely listen to their parents or care to learn from their mistakes, but somewhere around college age, many of them start to get it. They seem to discover that others who've gone before them actually had some good ideas. I know I'm stereotyping, but I've seen it too often. I'd be interested to know if there's any scientific basis for this, or in other peoples observations.
Their niche is the same size as Barron's - who remembers Barron's?
I subscribed to them for years. Before instant access to financial data became available online, it was a great source of info...and they're still not bad: http://online.barrons.com/
No it's not. That's not a list of every country in the world. It's a list of 20 compared and it covers general "crime". Have a look at something like murder rate instead.
Incorrect. I'm clearly seeing 60 countries listed, which is not every country in the world, but is certainly representative enough to show that Norway is in fact NOT "working quite well". The discussion was about crime, not murder.
You've just admitted that the USA does *worse* than Norway. How does that fact in any way support the OP?!
It supports them by disproving your argument that they're doing quite well, when in fact they're nearly as bad as the US.
they have all the rights even when in the middle of robbing me blind.
If you are talking about human rights then you both have the same ones. That is the point, they are universal. He has no more right to assault you than you do to assault him. Neither of you have the right to take violent revenge.
So are you suggesting that if someone comes and attempts to take a possession of your that you have no right to physically prevent them from doing so? If so, please tell us your location...I need some new furniture.
Considering that Norway ranks #13 on the total crimes per capita list at: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita your assessment that they're doing quite well is simply wrong. In fact, they're not significantly different from the US. Norway shows 71 per 1000, vs. 80 per 1000 for America. Let's get the facts right before dismissing the OP.
Having done customer support at locations where we had dozens of operators using our workstations, and also code development on similar systems, I've been asked numerous times why I would build in error checking for seemingly obvious operator blunders. Why indeed....because they can, and it's your responsibility to design a system than is resilient enough to not crash and burn because they screwed the pooch.
People are at all levels of understanding when it comes to computers, and everyone who designs, builds, or maintains them makes a living on those users. Embrace them and stop whining.
Just like the libertarian nutjobs get on and say "you had a choice, you could have not bought the product" the courts said "you had a choice, you could have not made the product."
Why should the Government benefit from this. Where the hell are the refunds with interest...enough to make it hurt them...essentially like a class action would.
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Lemme guess: Engineering school, not law school, right?
Lemme guess, you're under 40.
50 is old enough to be seriously out of touch with electronic communications. We are talking about 50 year olds that don't work in IT or any related field and who went to school back when computers didn't exist and international phone calls had to be booked via an operator. Their main skills are manipulating people not technology.
Think you're off by a few years. I'm over 50, and most of my peers are up to date on comms, and social media. Computers were available to me all the way back in high school...hell, I soldered one of the boards we put into our Altair. My 35 year high school reunion was just organized via e-mail & Facebook.
Says the young punk. 26 is barely out of college...no life experience yet.
"About to close"? Laugh at mental picture of hordes of people trapped in long rush hours jams on a at least twice a day basis for years feeling like their cars has been running free all that time.
I blame the Tea Party. Oh, wait, wrong article.
Suburbans (do they even still make those?)
Yup... http://www.chevrolet.com/suburban-suv/
Okay, ya got me on the Hummer...kinda. The sale to the Chinese fell through, and GM had some other offers for it.
You might not have noticed, but the price of used SUVs has skyrocketed during the last year. There's a reason for that too, and it's not the great gas mileage.
We've seen over and over again that every time fuel prices peak, people start selling their jacked-up pickup trucks and SUVs and buying smaller cars. And when fuel prices are dirt-cheap, everyone buys the biggest SUV they can find.
You're basing this on what? Fuel prices have quadrupled over the last ten years, do you see fewer SUVs...I didn't think so.
What do you need to see around the car in front of you for?
If you're not looking at traffic in front of the vehicle that's in front of you, then you're doing it wrong. Yes, we've all been taught about safe driving distances, but you will never see them work in daily commuting in any large city...people will continuously scoot around, and fill in the gap. I'd bet dollars to donuts, that less than 1% of drivers come anywhere close to following the guideline. In the Washington DC suburbs, I'm frequently in highway traffic, where the norm is less than two car lengths at 60-70mph...I'm not recommending it, I'm just stating that it's a fact of life, and you have to learn to deal with it, or stay off the road.
Safe driving also involves anticipating what is going to happen, and by seeing the traffic farther ahead, you're able to adjust accordingly. Brakes can frequently be applied much earlier than if you were simply relying upon the brake lights of the vehicle in front of you...that's especially important in an emergency stop.
And I think you're on to something that I've argued for several times previously. I believe memorization is a useful skill, that comes with some practice. As a kid, I was forced to sit and memorize my multiplication table flash cards before I could have dinner. We also had to memorize all the countries on the planet for 5th grade, and the schematic for a superhetrodyne receiver (10th grade, 1973-4), and regurgitate it, with description for an exam. While I'm not suggesting we go back to that kind of practice, I do believe it helped me be able to remember things others struggle with. Some would argue that you're either born with that skill or not, and I'd agree to disagree.
I'm sorry to inform you we've been at the circus for awhile.
Then we're in complete agreement.
This is in no way a discussion. It's pure and simple media manipulation. They'll screen the questions, or have specific ones they've set up with canned answers. To believe otherwise is simply naive. And this isn't a slam against Obama...it's political posturing.
I don't equate google searches to accurate, timely, or the best financial data...especially since I tend to be a contrarian in the marketplace. So, while I see your point about NYT and Barrons readership, Barrons has served as all (but not source) of those for me.
It's not, but it's very popular outside the US to bash us.
Yes, it's all our fault, and the rest of the world is perfect. Seriously, do we have problems...yes. Do we know it...yes. Are we getting better or worse...depends on the topic, and who you ask.
As a kid, I hated the rote memorization of useless dates (instead of the important sequence of events) and facts that was required in our school system. As I matured, I've found history much more intriguing, especially since I've had the opportunity to travel or live in many historically significant locations.
I noticed that my daughter was going through the same dislike of history that I did. She was taking US history, and since I live in the DC metro area it was an easy drive to civil war battlefields, and many other important places, I thought it would help stir up some interest. No such luck. And to this date, I've never met a kid that enjoys history.
Blame the parents all you want, but I believe there's something in the aging process that does it for us. I'd speculate also, that this might be related to the fact that teens rarely listen to their parents or care to learn from their mistakes, but somewhere around college age, many of them start to get it. They seem to discover that others who've gone before them actually had some good ideas. I know I'm stereotyping, but I've seen it too often. I'd be interested to know if there's any scientific basis for this, or in other peoples observations.
Their niche is the same size as Barron's - who remembers Barron's?
I subscribed to them for years. Before instant access to financial data became available online, it was a great source of info...and they're still not bad: http://online.barrons.com/
No it's not. That's not a list of every country in the world. It's a list of 20 compared and it covers general "crime". Have a look at something like murder rate instead.
Incorrect. I'm clearly seeing 60 countries listed, which is not every country in the world, but is certainly representative enough to show that Norway is in fact NOT "working quite well". The discussion was about crime, not murder.
You've just admitted that the USA does *worse* than Norway. How does that fact in any way support the OP?!
It supports them by disproving your argument that they're doing quite well, when in fact they're nearly as bad as the US.
My kingdom for a mod point. And I'm surprised to find myself in agreement with you for once.
they have all the rights even when in the middle of robbing me blind.
If you are talking about human rights then you both have the same ones. That is the point, they are universal. He has no more right to assault you than you do to assault him. Neither of you have the right to take violent revenge.
So are you suggesting that if someone comes and attempts to take a possession of your that you have no right to physically prevent them from doing so? If so, please tell us your location...I need some new furniture.
Considering that Norway ranks #13 on the total crimes per capita list at: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita your assessment that they're doing quite well is simply wrong. In fact, they're not significantly different from the US. Norway shows 71 per 1000, vs. 80 per 1000 for America. Let's get the facts right before dismissing the OP.
And criminology is still in the dark ages, and we use leeches and blood letting as the main sources of medical treatment today.
Don't sell them short. The FDA cleared them for medical use seven years ago...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5319129/ns/health-health_care/t/fda-approves-leeches-medical-devices/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/leeches.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-07-07-leeches-maggots_x.htm
http://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/videos/leeches-regain-hold-in-medicine
...Because they can.
Having done customer support at locations where we had dozens of operators using our workstations, and also code development on similar systems, I've been asked numerous times why I would build in error checking for seemingly obvious operator blunders. Why indeed....because they can, and it's your responsibility to design a system than is resilient enough to not crash and burn because they screwed the pooch.
People are at all levels of understanding when it comes to computers, and everyone who designs, builds, or maintains them makes a living on those users. Embrace them and stop whining.
Oh, I completely agree...was just being silly in my original post. It was all new, and exciting back then.
Unfortunately, programming using the keypad is a huge pain
Kids these days. We did ours from the toggle switches on the front of the Data General Nova, and we liked it.
Using an accurate descriptor doesn't indicate hate
Agreed. And, if you had used one, we wouldn't be discussing it.
Disclaimer: I am not a libertarian.
Just like the libertarian nutjobs get on and say "you had a choice, you could have not bought the product" the courts said "you had a choice, you could have not made the product."
Nice troll. Please keep your hatred to yourself.
Why should the Government benefit from this. Where the hell are the refunds with interest...enough to make it hurt them...essentially like a class action would.