Back in '91 or so, I lost legitamate source-code access to ksh. bash was around but, at the time, it only had emacs-like command-line editing. I then discovered that a bunch of folks in the CS dept at Princeton were developing a new (to me anyway) metashell called zsh that was, for the most part a ksh workalike with vi-like command-line editing.
One thing I have never been able to do successfully is to emulate the old ksh's ability to hit Esc-Esc on the command line and get popped into vi with the last command in the history file ready to be edited. It was such a boon to rapid development of shell scripts. Then again, I don't do as much shell scripting these days, so its probably no great loss.
If anybody knows how to do this, esc-esc thing in zsh and can tell me, I'd be really grateful.
Oh please. Karma? Yeah, right. I have a whole list of things on my todo list to boodt karma.
Did you even read the subject line of my posting history?
4 out of the last 24 posts spanning the last 5 days were links to mirrors. 3 more were responding to people who seem to think this is all a diabolical plot.
Ooops, make that 4.
Then again, I guess I could post the mirrored links as an AC since then I'd have the benefit of pointing out the assholic tendencies of certain people without damaging my "precious" karma.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to call those MIT guys with the paper generator so we can start work in a random post generator. I plan to offer it to everybody on/. that wants to boost their karma.
Hypotheically speaking, as we know you don't host kid porn.
Is/. devolving into the National Enquirer for the tech-set?
How the Register gets away with what they did is amazing. They make up an entirely fake quote, attribute it to Linus and then say, almost parenthetically, "we just made that up, he didn't really say it".
Think about it. How would like it if somebody did to you what they just did to Linus?
That's front page news, New York Time, top of the fold, if it happens and a long jail sentence for whoever let's it occur.
I recall articles about drives with people's personal stuff on them, but not DOD classified information.
In fact, I recall being in a facility with two networks some years ago. I was politely informed to plug my laptop into network connection A, not network connection B, because if I plugged into network connection B, my laptop was no longer allowed to leave the facility. OK, A it was.:)
The data density per square inch on modern drives is such that drilling a whole through the platter leaves a LOT of data behind that can be recovered by a determined person. I suspect that classified drives are still destroyed much more thoroughly than this.
Thank you Tim (Berners-Lee) Didn't know you were a/. reader. The question remains, while it's very interesting (and cool), what does one do with the aggregated data?
My view is that he got access to it because of BitKeeper's goodwill towards others that he was associated with which provided him with either access/info he would not have otherwise had.
I'm not reluctant to go into more detail, I don't have more detail. I'm not a party to the transcation.
My underlying question remains. How did he get access to the BitKeeper functionality such that he was able to attempt to reverse engineer it? I say he did only because of BitKeeper's goodwill.
And to use someone's goodwill at cross-purposes to the one who gives it, is, in my opinion, at least unethical, if not immoral.
I realize I will not change the minds of the "Tridge can do no wrong, all hail Tridge" club. However, that doesn't make them right.
Disagreeing with the Slashdot groupthink and posting said disagreement here (especially if it's in disagreement with one of the Linux deities) is a lot more like being hit by lightning than it is being in an earthquake.
While I like a lot of Kesey's work, the quote means much more to me than the author (though the author also means a lot).
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft confirmed this morning that the Xbox 2 will be revealed on live TV on May 12. MTV will air a half-hour long special to launch the system. 'It doesn't make sense to unveil the product behind a closed door, at a trade-only event,' according to Microsoft corporate VP Peter Moore. 'We wanted to talk directly to the consumer first.'" More coverage available on GamesIndustry.biz and Press the Buttons.
I'm going to disagree with you. It is immoral to reverse engineer while relying on the goodwill of the people you are reverse engineering. If you can't see that, I can't explain it any more clearly.
There is no doubt Tridge is being cast as the villain in this piece. Here's what he had to tell us when we asked him for his side of the tale:
I expect that in the future I will be able to give a more detailed response, but for now I can only tell you the following:
- In late February I wrote a tool that is interoperable with BitKeeper. The aim was to provide export to other source code management tools and provide a useful tool to the community.
- I did not use BitKeeper at all in writing this tool and thus was never subject to the BitKeeper license. I developed the tool in a completely ethical and legal manner.
Boy, I hate to say it, but whenever somebody "defers" on defending themself, it sure looks like they have something to hide. Why wait until some undefined "later" point to explain one's self, if one has nothing to hide?
Slashdot Mirror
I'm sorry, that wasn't my question. I know of bindkey -v. I've been using the shell for 14 years.
My question is, how do I make the command esc-esc put the last command in the history file into a full vi session?
Or, in simpler terms, how do I make esc-esc execute the 'fc' command? I've tried lots of clever ways over the years, none of them have worked.
Back in '91 or so, I lost legitamate source-code access to ksh. bash was around but, at the time, it only had emacs-like command-line editing. I then discovered that a bunch of folks in the CS dept at Princeton were developing a new (to me anyway) metashell called zsh that was, for the most part a ksh workalike with vi-like command-line editing.
One thing I have never been able to do successfully is to emulate the old ksh's ability to hit Esc-Esc on the command line and get popped into vi with the last command in the history file ready to be edited. It was such a boon to rapid development of shell scripts. Then again, I don't do as much shell scripting these days, so its probably no great loss.
If anybody knows how to do this, esc-esc thing in zsh and can tell me, I'd be really grateful.
If rich, the follow the informal standard. If right, ignore it.
If you're very, very lucky, right & rich converge, but if its either/or I think my 1st 2 sentences sum it up.
Oh please. Karma? Yeah, right. I have a whole list of things on my todo list to boodt karma.
/. that wants to boost their karma.
Did you even read the subject line of my posting history?
4 out of the last 24 posts spanning the last 5 days were links to mirrors. 3 more were responding to people who seem to think this is all a diabolical plot.
Ooops, make that 4.
Then again, I guess I could post the mirrored links as an AC since then I'd have the benefit of pointing out the assholic tendencies of certain people without damaging my "precious" karma.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to call those MIT guys with the paper generator so we can start work in a random post generator. I plan to offer it to everybody on
In case of slowness a mirror of all pages is available here
It's a thankless job to begin with. Now you have to approach each one with, "is this the real deal, or some bs-generated thing?"
:)
Oh, and a collection of my as-yet unpublished white papers will be available soon. Cheap.
Hypotheically speaking, as we know you don't host kid porn.
/. devolving into the National Enquirer for the tech-set?
Is
How the Register gets away with what they did is amazing. They make up an entirely fake quote, attribute it to Linus and then say, almost parenthetically, "we just made that up, he didn't really say it".
Think about it. How would like it if somebody did to you what they just did to Linus?
Shame on you Register!
I'd call it evolution. I'm sure Neanderthals viewed the last evolutionary change in humans as a crisis though.
That's front page news, New York Time, top of the fold, if it happens and a long jail sentence for whoever let's it occur.
:)
I recall articles about drives with people's personal stuff on them, but not DOD classified information.
In fact, I recall being in a facility with two networks some years ago. I was politely informed to plug my laptop into network connection A, not network connection B, because if I plugged into network connection B, my laptop was no longer allowed to leave the facility. OK, A it was.
The data density per square inch on modern drives is such that drilling a whole through the platter leaves a LOT of data behind that can be recovered by a determined person. I suspect that classified drives are still destroyed much more thoroughly than this.
Ah but what about the server it's hosted on? Is it on a busy/overloaded LAN segment? Is it running on hand-me-down hardware?
The university has a butt-load of bandwidth, but if the other links in the chain are not equally as strong, well...
SEMANTIC WEB!
/. reader. The question remains, while it's very interesting (and cool), what does one do with the aggregated data?
Thank you Tim (Berners-Lee) Didn't know you were a
So far so good. Load average = 3.3
:)
No signs of smoke.
Yet.
Thank you for your feedback.
1.2Mb .mov
:)
This ought to stress-test the machine.
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My view is that he got access to it because of BitKeeper's goodwill towards others that he was associated with which provided him with either access/info he would not have otherwise had.
I'm not reluctant to go into more detail, I don't have more detail. I'm not a party to the transcation.
OK, I made a mistake in my haste.
My underlying question remains. How did he get access to the BitKeeper functionality such that he was able to attempt to reverse engineer it? I say he did only because of BitKeeper's goodwill.
And to use someone's goodwill at cross-purposes to the one who gives it, is, in my opinion, at least unethical, if not immoral.
I realize I will not change the minds of the "Tridge can do no wrong, all hail Tridge" club. However, that doesn't make them right.
I dunno, that sounds to me a lot like justifying screwing someone's wife by saying something like, "hey she was passed out in my bedroom".
Disagreeing with the Slashdot groupthink and posting said disagreement here (especially if it's in disagreement with one of the Linux deities) is a lot more like being hit by lightning than it is being in an earthquake.
While I like a lot of Kesey's work, the quote means much more to me than the author (though the author also means a lot).
How did he get access to the product? It was a "gift" from the BitKeeper ppl. I cannot understand how one would think of this as being ethical.
Is Tridge part of a team working on the kernel or has there been some change recently where it's just him?
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft confirmed this morning that the Xbox 2 will be revealed on live TV on May 12. MTV will air a half-hour long special to launch the system. 'It doesn't make sense to unveil the product behind a closed door, at a trade-only event,' according to Microsoft corporate VP Peter Moore. 'We wanted to talk directly to the consumer first.'" More coverage available on GamesIndustry.biz and Press the Buttons.
I'm going to disagree with you. It is immoral to reverse engineer while relying on the goodwill of the people you are reverse engineering. If you can't see that, I can't explain it any more clearly.
Why not say that if that's the facts?
Tridge offers his side
There is no doubt Tridge is being cast as the villain in this piece. Here's what he had to tell us when we asked him for his side of the tale:
I expect that in the future I will be able to give a more detailed response, but for now I can only tell you the following:
- In late February I wrote a tool that is interoperable with BitKeeper. The aim was to provide export to other source code management tools and provide a useful tool to the community.
- I did not use BitKeeper at all in writing this tool and thus was never subject to the BitKeeper license. I developed the tool in a completely ethical and legal manner.
Boy, I hate to say it, but whenever somebody "defers" on defending themself, it sure looks like they have something to hide. Why wait until some undefined "later" point to explain one's self, if one has nothing to hide?