As all such bad laws are. If they prosecuted everyone for it, they'd face a voter revolt at the next elections. They just need to make a few high profile examples to put the fear of God into everyone else.
Psh.. Oh, come on. Where have they done that before?:>
... means the time one second after 23:59:59, 31 August.
Oh, no. Uh... So hey my friend, good buddy, old pal..... Can ya give me some friendly advice? How do I remove a cached IP address from torrents and peoples' machines... Let's say, oh... I dunno... My IP? How could I do that, my bestest friend in the world?:>
So let's say we're in drought-stricken West Texas and you zap the clouds and make it rain. But that rain would have originally fallen on central or east Texas. To whom does the rain water belong?
Stop being smart. You're ruining the stock values.:)
Apple is irate about these companies' countersuits, which rely largely on patents covering wireless communications, many of which are governed by the 'fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory' (F/RAND) principle, as they were developed as part of industry standards
And yours are all artistic and nothing else, eh? The industry shouldn't use any of your mechanisms for compatibility or interchange, right?
Totally! And if I don't barricade my house it's my problem if it gets ransacked. And if a girl wears a short skirt and doesn't learn self defense sufficient to fight off a 6'3" attacker then it's her problem if she gets raped.
No.
Imagine the Internet space like a physical object. A house. A street, a city. Everyday space.
The music that someone just made is on the outside of the house, as is everything else that's not encrypted. Since it's DRM'ed, we'll say it's in a box on the side of the house. We see it, we know what it is from a distance. We go up to get it and realize that the box is controlled and you have to make a purchase to get the box open. Once it's open, you can take an article of what's in there out of it. So now we paid and have a CD with songs on it. Sweet! Win, win.
Now, someone else comes by and purchases it, gets in the box, and gets the CD out. They take it back to their private location and make copies of it using whatever method they use... but it's now copied. They use special means to place it around in many, MANY places; in the case of torrent, we'll say on the sides of many peoples' houses, in parks, on telephone polls on the street. It's right there and has an open box. You can take it. Win, lose.
Some people will decide that it's not right to take this thing that you know should be paid for. Others won't care. Others will try to find out where it comes from and give some money to the original source by getting another copy. Others will take it, like it, and post it on the walls of many other locations so that many more people can find it and grab it, no charge. Depends on mentality.
What you're talking about is the social "right" and "wrong". It's considered wrong to grab music that should be paid for, but hell, you listen to it all of the time and ignore the commercials anyway. Who cares? Well, some care. Those ones say that you shouldn't pay any attention to music that's available in many locations because it's just "wrong". That's a mentality.
Now, look at it from the perspective of the Human mind. The mind likes music. It's a way for the person to feel both musically excited and most importantly, the animal instinct of the person doesn't like silence. It means danger is possible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence#In_danger). Humans like to be reminded that things are okay and life is moving along safely so we like to hear people, things people created, or animals and objects we know are safe to be around. It's instinctive. It just is as it is. This is a mentality that has existed for thousands and thousands of years (further if you believe in evolution).
Having said that, imagine trying to fight the battle with all people that they aren't allowed to have this thing called "music" unless they pay for it. Ok, that's fine to a degree because there's some music available for free anyway (radio, classical, or just music that was created as free.) The trick is getting someone who can get their hands on something they want for free, but SHOULD pay for it, to pay for it. It's already caught plenty of attention and it's still widely-used, so there's no scare. The scare tactics actually encourage people (especially the young) to perform an act they know they shouldn't do, so really the case is getting worse from a logical perspective. Now this is a mentality battle in a world without physical weapons of harm, as well as ways to work around said danger.
Now, convince people that they need to be able to provide money just to have water to survive in an area where water is everywhere on peoples' homes, business buildings, city buildings, parks, rivers, etc. Once you've convinced people they need to pay for water just to get it for the sake of survival (no ifs, ands, or buts about it), then there might be logic to work with in getting people to agree to, and perform, payment for everyday music.
Until then, it's a battle that will be an ordered battle - a win-win (purchase),
Increasing DRM does work, you just fail to grasp what it is trying to do. DRM isn't supposed to stop pirates, or even the more technologically capable customers. DRM is to prevent the bulk of their customers from using their rightfully purchased content in a manner other than is desired by the publisher. In that sense, it is doing a great job.
It is doing a great job? Then what's the problem?
My intelligence sense is tingling. The word "want" comes to mind.
I for one don't see why anyone should see the slightest guilt in downloading MPAA movies, frankly paying money to buy their product to support their existence seems more morally bankrupt than downloading, or ideally just simply not watching their content at all nowadays.
Hear, hear.
Let me add to that... Like any other war with something that is not 100% traceable (yes, I said 100%, not 98%, 99%.... 100%), there is never going to be an end to its existence. The more suit there is, the more knowledge people gain on the tracing mechanisms used to find it. The more knowledge, the more defense. The more defense, the more offense.
But, wait, it's not 100% traceable! It's information. It will NEVER stop being shared. You (MPAA et al) may simply stop finding out HOW it is shared. This will continue forever like many other concepts and substances (alcohol is one off the top of my head).
If it looks like all piracy has stopped and only sales exist, you may wonder where in the hell the profits are. Why isn't it being bought as much as it seems popular in the comparative sense? Because it's not. The ones who don't have cash to throw down on something they feel should be free, and CAN get their hands on for free, will.
I'll back up the OC and say that the more you discourage something, the more it's abused. It's simple, SIMPLE psychology. You think you can beat psychology with punishment? Try encouraging something by using other means, like, oh, making the fans of the person more able to see them one-on-one and interact with them (the REAL them), virtual or physical? How about enabling the fans to be contributors to the product? Just throwing crap that hits my mind spur-of-the-moment here.
You lost the battle and you're not going to win by flexing. Try ingenuity and quit trying historical repetition.
Just because theyre irresponsible and litigious and about as friendly as the Nazghul, doesnt mean that people are excused from following the laws of their land or from perjuring themselves...
You know that most laws aren't enforced, especially ones in the civil category, right? They're all there in case they are useful in a case against someone who is supposed to be guilty of something but law enforcement doesn't think they have enough to work with. In other words, if someone needs tools to get something out of someone or something, they can dig for laws to work with. In the line of work I'm in, I see examples of it daily. I *so* wish I could post those examples....
Hmm... I wonder how many lawsuits I could file right now for people and corporations harming me in one way or another.
I wonder if I'd have to do less work and just sue to make a living.... you know, if I could do that. Just if.
Hmm.. "Just if" sounds like "justice" if you hold on to your tongue while saying it. No, that's not flame bait, it's meant to be humorous.:)
Then no-one would need plastic tears, and those hard-working plastic tear manufacturers would be out of a job. Of course they'll blame the losses on plastic tear piracy...
Then the plastic tear manufacturers would be found to have documents linking the corporate executives up to Hedge funds and stocks of glue manufacturers, but hey, that's okay because their precious material that they never even saw was stolen by those rascals at the glue manuf....... oh.:)
I wish I could agree. I am diagnosed with Asperger's, but my mother is emotional and completely non-scientific in every aspect of her being, and my father is Mr. "I'm always right no matter effing eff with your effing eff on an eff eff eff efffffff stupid mind effing things you effer!" Anyway, he's not scientific. Just opinionated based on past observation only.
I have to argue this crap constantly with people I know. You're dead-on.
I did a controlled scientific test on it. Speeding and ummmm.... kindly nudging through "yellow" lights -vs- maintaining speed limit and stopping for ALL traffic signals. The difference at the end of a month-long test: I got to my destination every day at slightly before, at, or slightly after the desired time. The averaged results come out to be completely equal.
Now, try getting the "average American" to settle down and take their pace toward something they will eventually get to instead of racing toward it with tunnel vision. Tee hee.
BTW good to see you again; I haven't been on for years. Just got back into the./ swing a few days ago.
I believe most individuals "these days" think it's too much work to think about more than the fastest and easiest chemical reward.
By the way, you're one lucky person, you. I've always wanted to experience a quake and have slept through over 5 here in the Ohio valley. This one happened while I was at work; was tilting back and forth in the chair so I wouldn't have noticed. No one I asked here in the Cincy area felt it, either.
I respect physics and natural causes and effects. I'm a storm spotter (not chaser). I believe that explains it all pretty well.
I'm just catching up with old friends, BTW. Glad to see that you are still active!
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...If a high-ranking government official is involved, an "amicable arrangement" will be negotiated...
...and you will never hear about it :)
As all such bad laws are. If they prosecuted everyone for it, they'd face a voter revolt at the next elections. They just need to make a few high profile examples to put the fear of God into everyone else.
Psh.. Oh, come on. Where have they done that before? :>
HUMOR, HUMOR.
1. All Content is Copyright by default.
2. How do you distinguish the legal from the illegal content?
1. It's given me a headache since I was a kid. :)
2. Wait for a suit. How else can you be 100% (and I mean 100%) sure?
HUMOR.
... means the time one second after 23:59:59, 31 August.
Oh, no. Uh... So hey my friend, good buddy, old pal..... Can ya give me some friendly advice? How do I remove a cached IP address from torrents and peoples' machines... Let's say, oh... I dunno... My IP? How could I do that, my bestest friend in the world? :>
HUMOR, HUMOR.
It will never work. They need to have prayer meetings like we do here in Texas. That always works.
Oh wait.
Well, it will eventually.
Maybe not today, maybe not this year.... but damnit, it will! :>
HUMOR, HUMOR.
So let's say we're in drought-stricken West Texas and you zap the clouds and make it rain. But that rain would have originally fallen on central or east Texas. To whom does the rain water belong?
Stop being smart. You're ruining the stock values. :)
HUMOR, people. HUMOR.
It's warranted, my friend. It's warranted.
Some moderators don't understand the concept of "humor", but a lot of them do. Roll dem dice! :)
Wow, I don't know where pr0nz that good are, but dude... Share.
No wait.. Don't. :)
... History does repeat itself, it would seem.
A-effin'-men. And Humans wonder why things take so long to improve. Focus, people, focus.
Apple is irate about these companies' countersuits, which rely largely on patents covering wireless communications, many of which are governed by the 'fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory' (F/RAND) principle, as they were developed as part of industry standards
And yours are all artistic and nothing else, eh? The industry shouldn't use any of your mechanisms for compatibility or interchange, right?
Grow up. You started the sh**, now deal with it.
Ok cool... we're on the same page. :)
Totally! And if I don't barricade my house it's my problem if it gets ransacked. And if a girl wears a short skirt and doesn't learn self defense sufficient to fight off a 6'3" attacker then it's her problem if she gets raped.
No.
Imagine the Internet space like a physical object. A house. A street, a city. Everyday space.
The music that someone just made is on the outside of the house, as is everything else that's not encrypted. Since it's DRM'ed, we'll say it's in a box on the side of the house. We see it, we know what it is from a distance. We go up to get it and realize that the box is controlled and you have to make a purchase to get the box open. Once it's open, you can take an article of what's in there out of it. So now we paid and have a CD with songs on it. Sweet! Win, win.
Now, someone else comes by and purchases it, gets in the box, and gets the CD out. They take it back to their private location and make copies of it using whatever method they use... but it's now copied. They use special means to place it around in many, MANY places; in the case of torrent, we'll say on the sides of many peoples' houses, in parks, on telephone polls on the street. It's right there and has an open box. You can take it. Win, lose.
Some people will decide that it's not right to take this thing that you know should be paid for. Others won't care. Others will try to find out where it comes from and give some money to the original source by getting another copy. Others will take it, like it, and post it on the walls of many other locations so that many more people can find it and grab it, no charge. Depends on mentality.
What you're talking about is the social "right" and "wrong". It's considered wrong to grab music that should be paid for, but hell, you listen to it all of the time and ignore the commercials anyway. Who cares? Well, some care. Those ones say that you shouldn't pay any attention to music that's available in many locations because it's just "wrong". That's a mentality.
Now, look at it from the perspective of the Human mind. The mind likes music. It's a way for the person to feel both musically excited and most importantly, the animal instinct of the person doesn't like silence. It means danger is possible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence#In_danger). Humans like to be reminded that things are okay and life is moving along safely so we like to hear people, things people created, or animals and objects we know are safe to be around. It's instinctive. It just is as it is. This is a mentality that has existed for thousands and thousands of years (further if you believe in evolution).
Having said that, imagine trying to fight the battle with all people that they aren't allowed to have this thing called "music" unless they pay for it. Ok, that's fine to a degree because there's some music available for free anyway (radio, classical, or just music that was created as free.) The trick is getting someone who can get their hands on something they want for free, but SHOULD pay for it, to pay for it. It's already caught plenty of attention and it's still widely-used, so there's no scare. The scare tactics actually encourage people (especially the young) to perform an act they know they shouldn't do, so really the case is getting worse from a logical perspective. Now this is a mentality battle in a world without physical weapons of harm, as well as ways to work around said danger.
Now, convince people that they need to be able to provide money just to have water to survive in an area where water is everywhere on peoples' homes, business buildings, city buildings, parks, rivers, etc. Once you've convinced people they need to pay for water just to get it for the sake of survival (no ifs, ands, or buts about it), then there might be logic to work with in getting people to agree to, and perform, payment for everyday music.
Until then, it's a battle that will be an ordered battle - a win-win (purchase),
Increasing DRM does work, you just fail to grasp what it is trying to do. DRM isn't supposed to stop pirates, or even the more technologically capable customers. DRM is to prevent the bulk of their customers from using their rightfully purchased content in a manner other than is desired by the publisher. In that sense, it is doing a great job.
It is doing a great job? Then what's the problem?
My intelligence sense is tingling. The word "want" comes to mind.
Heh. See my comment above, grub. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2406288&cid=37268548
Good to see ya again. Haven't been on for quite a while.
I for one don't see why anyone should see the slightest guilt in downloading MPAA movies, frankly paying money to buy their product to support their existence seems more morally bankrupt than downloading, or ideally just simply not watching their content at all nowadays.
Hear, hear.
Let me add to that... Like any other war with something that is not 100% traceable (yes, I said 100%, not 98%, 99%.... 100%), there is never going to be an end to its existence. The more suit there is, the more knowledge people gain on the tracing mechanisms used to find it. The more knowledge, the more defense. The more defense, the more offense.
But, wait, it's not 100% traceable! It's information. It will NEVER stop being shared. You (MPAA et al) may simply stop finding out HOW it is shared. This will continue forever like many other concepts and substances (alcohol is one off the top of my head).
If it looks like all piracy has stopped and only sales exist, you may wonder where in the hell the profits are. Why isn't it being bought as much as it seems popular in the comparative sense? Because it's not. The ones who don't have cash to throw down on something they feel should be free, and CAN get their hands on for free, will.
I'll back up the OC and say that the more you discourage something, the more it's abused. It's simple, SIMPLE psychology. You think you can beat psychology with punishment? Try encouraging something by using other means, like, oh, making the fans of the person more able to see them one-on-one and interact with them (the REAL them), virtual or physical? How about enabling the fans to be contributors to the product? Just throwing crap that hits my mind spur-of-the-moment here.
You lost the battle and you're not going to win by flexing. Try ingenuity and quit trying historical repetition.
Just because theyre irresponsible and litigious and about as friendly as the Nazghul, doesnt mean that people are excused from following the laws of their land or from perjuring themselves...
You know that most laws aren't enforced, especially ones in the civil category, right? They're all there in case they are useful in a case against someone who is supposed to be guilty of something but law enforcement doesn't think they have enough to work with. In other words, if someone needs tools to get something out of someone or something, they can dig for laws to work with. In the line of work I'm in, I see examples of it daily. I *so* wish I could post those examples....
Hmm... I wonder how many lawsuits I could file right now for people and corporations harming me in one way or another.
I wonder if I'd have to do less work and just sue to make a living.... you know, if I could do that. Just if.
Hmm.. "Just if" sounds like "justice" if you hold on to your tongue while saying it. No, that's not flame bait, it's meant to be humorous. :)
This!
(sorry, just had to)
You both had to, didn't ya? Damn dependency on humor; it's gonna destroy all of you young rats these days. :)
Now how the hell am I supposed to write C++ methods that manipulate their parent object?
By downloading the source via BitTor *click*
Then no-one would need plastic tears, and those hard-working plastic tear manufacturers would be out of a job. Of course they'll blame the losses on plastic tear piracy...
Then the plastic tear manufacturers would be found to have documents linking the corporate executives up to Hedge funds and stocks of glue manufacturers, but hey, that's okay because their precious material that they never even saw was stolen by those rascals at the glue manuf....... oh. :)
I wish I could agree. I am diagnosed with Asperger's, but my mother is emotional and completely non-scientific in every aspect of her being, and my father is Mr. "I'm always right no matter effing eff with your effing eff on an eff eff eff efffffff stupid mind effing things you effer!" Anyway, he's not scientific. Just opinionated based on past observation only.
Where did my Asperger's come from? :)
A limited run!
Vintage spectaculare!
I'll take one for $223,498,324,987.99!!!
It will be worth so much more in 50 years when it becomes a historical gem worth trillions! /snark
I have to argue this crap constantly with people I know. You're dead-on.
I did a controlled scientific test on it. Speeding and ummmm.... kindly nudging through "yellow" lights -vs- maintaining speed limit and stopping for ALL traffic signals. The difference at the end of a month-long test: I got to my destination every day at slightly before, at, or slightly after the desired time. The averaged results come out to be completely equal.
Now, try getting the "average American" to settle down and take their pace toward something they will eventually get to instead of racing toward it with tunnel vision. Tee hee.
BTW good to see you again; I haven't been on for years. Just got back into the ./ swing a few days ago.
I believe most individuals "these days" think it's too much work to think about more than the fastest and easiest chemical reward.
By the way, you're one lucky person, you. I've always wanted to experience a quake and have slept through over 5 here in the Ohio valley. This one happened while I was at work; was tilting back and forth in the chair so I wouldn't have noticed. No one I asked here in the Cincy area felt it, either.
I respect physics and natural causes and effects. I'm a storm spotter (not chaser). I believe that explains it all pretty well.
I'm just catching up with old friends, BTW. Glad to see that you are still active!
Heh.
See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tool
Scroll to "World English Dictionary", definition 5.
That's what he said.
This is just a head shake (in both ways) of it happening again. :)