I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that people are in agreement with what you just said.... but there are concerns.
What I see as a concern is the "typical move," if you will, by the government to save money by offloading the responsibility to contracted companies. They do it with everything they can to save money.
The flip-side of that situation is that if the government doesn't offload the data to others, that the government will have enormous amounts of data on people; enormous amounts that can be combined, distributed, "conveniently deleted," etc etc etc etc etc... Privacy blah blah, yadda yadda.
My view is simple. People who fear will fear. People who don't won't. The same outcome will occur regardless of peoples' viewpoints, as long as the higher-ups make/save/etc money by agreeing to the plan. Look at history. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. Ad nauseum.
I hope you understand that what you asked is what I agree with already...
Anyway, I should have put "mass" in quotes because it was intended to be a pun.
People have a phychological tendency that doesn't change with time (because it does have SOME purpose; what that is I do not know). The brain maps an ideal or thought process once it's received. The emotional output that's derived as it's received is also attached, leading to the typical Human response - a person will believe something that they see as true to be true until it's proven false. An emotional response will trigger fear/anger, along with thought. People will sometimes accept the new information as "possible" or "true," but they will avoid the person who gave them that information. It's a way of maintaining ego and self-worth.
Re-learning and erasure of the original "falsehood," or whatnot, is VERY difficult. The brain is very stubborn.
The funny part is that the person who has had their thought modified will teach the new information; the fun part is looking at whether they teach with fact in an "I'm right" state, or fact combined with alternative possibility. Enter teachers and parents.
Yeah, the rest kinda falls into place where it is today and will be for a LONG time.
People seen as "nut jobs" are often the ones that have the capacity and ability to modify factual information, always looking for the answer.
Go ahead. Anyone, disagree. I want to hear what you believe.;)
I suck at mathematics worse than most people do. I can't graduate from college for that reason, let alone money....so let's do the math on those two things (tee hee). I am sort of glad I didn't go to college.
Visual-spatial memory and thought are my primary driver.
For those who don't "have it," I may appear to be a completely weird person that they can't understand... someone who can look at things from 200,000 different angles and still say that there is no answer.
Score possibility!...could be that with 5 other dynamics or constants, too; i.e. it may not be something that's able to be detected unless everything is 3-dimensionally organized in a certain fashion, particles of (these types) are traveling at (these speeds) in combination with echoes of (these particles) WHEN combined with (these particles) of (these speeds) interacting with complex first set, while only (this 4th dimension interaction) is disposed of at a certain rate between (a, b, and c).
Or it's gas. Who knows? lol
Oh, wait, NASA knows how to scientifically come up with the answers to everything already, so we should just wait for their answer. Tee hee.
Don't be saying things that make sound logical sense.
You'll make the average societal game players say "huh" too many times and exhale too much CO2. It will also create a sonic vibration cancellation of the "huh" of another and make people die in silence.
Who knows..? Maybe this will be the first discovery of a new particle or universal dynamic/static form of energy that we hadn't previously even thought of.
Or, maybe it's not. So anyone with ideas, keep your mouths shut.
In case it's not clear, previous sentence was a sarcastic statement. Based on most, if not all, Human scientific discoveries from the past, people on the outside looking in aren't ALWAYS wrong.
I'm on-board with your comment. Yes, that's real, not sarcastic;)
Not that I need to jump in here, but I should mention that this is one of my (and many others') issues in life...
Instead of making logical jumps / the reasoning of possibility and openly discussing it with other individuals, I (and many others) are expected to keep our mouths shut until the "other people who do this for a living" complete their work.
Let's leave any other possibilities and base ideas out of the picture.
Sol, when the first nuclear explosion occurred, released a large snezonic boom. This is where the word "Sneeze" comes from.
After that, there were a few more. One blew all of the oxygen away from Mars. Another left a bunch of particles in Earth's atmosphere, effectively ending the reign of the dinosaurs.
If you people would just think about this, GHHHHAWD!
I hate these models because there's a clear design flaw. Here's my experience in the short, short, short version:
Women appear in the IT team where I worked. They wanted to move ahead/up in the company, but they remained quiet because they didn't want to start fights and get in trouble or fired.
Years pass.
Finally, a new woman that started at the company was appalled by the horrible repression that all of the existing women were punished with (let's not bring into this the fact that men that kept quiet also had the same experience).
On a daily basis, said woman got next to no work done and spent time creating dramatic situations in the department between women/women, women/men, and men/men.
This woman threatens to sue and uses her college degree as an indication that she is superior to all of the individuals on the WebApp team.
Almost immediately, she is placed in the leadership position on the other team - WebApp. She takes two women from our team, by trading two men from that team to our storage team.
The new men on our team didn't understand the issues we were dealing with and didn't have solid backgrounds in storage management; that's needed. The women that were "promoted openly" to the other team with the new female superiority-based team leader had no idea what they were working on because they had no experience with Java WebApp development.
Oh, my. Sister Superior on the WebApp team had NO EXPERIENCE in WebApp design *OR* Java! Wow. This is getting good.
The two women that were pulled to the other team asked for their positions on our team back after a few weeks, and the two men asked for the positions on their old team back.
The exchange occurs. Tension is growing in the back of everyone's minds.
Work goes on and the day-to-day tasks are accomplished with no unusual hiccups; things are "back to normal" on our team.
One day, we find out that the woman on the other team (Superiority captain) is terminated because she made threatening statements to the men on her team because they were "working too quickly and not documenting everything they were doing." When I say threatening, I mean physically threatening. Oh yeah.
She disappears and is never heard from again.
One of the women on our team is asked to fill in on the other team, as she had a few weeks of experience. She turned the offer down. The other woman was offered the position, and SHE QUIT.
The quitting woman loudly expressed her discontent that the company was choosing her simply because she was a woman. The company denied and responded with a higher-paid offer in the SAME POSITION. They made it clear to her (which she shared with all of us) that she was chosen only because of her previous experience on that team. Mmmhmm. One where she didn't know a thing and didn't do anything.
She took the position.
A few weeks later, a person was hired on to our team that had absolutely no experience in storage management. A guy.
Then, the woman who moved to the other team leadership position quit her job and told a few of us that she got a top-level management position at a company. Guess what she was a manager of? Device automation; she had no experience with it and had no idea what she was doing. She laughed that she is making 3 times the pay from our company, though. We all laughed with her.
The guy who was hired on to our team who had previous experience in Java WebApp development -AND- team leadership asked to be considered for the team leadership position on the other team.
He was approved and switched right over there. Congratulations, boss! Oh, wait, he had no idea how WebApps work. And didn't know Java. HE LIED ON HIS RESUME!
Another nice guy who worked on our team showed a couple of us something nice... He shows us his resume; he had over 10 years of management experience and 5 years of Java Web Application development experience.
He shows us something else: a letter he wrote back after M
but but but but but...... I have a comment to the parent of your reply!!! I do I do!!! lol
-- *Ahem* As I stand on my pedestal of deep and multi-dimensional understanding of the universe and all of its fundamental operatives, I will tell you, quite clearly if I may add, that no one has EVER heard the term "woman-bashing" or "women-bashing" before. Ever. Thank you all, and have a pleasant day. --
I love it when people make statements using the declaration of truth to DIRECTLY point out the falsehood of it in and of itself. Amazing. A-freaking-mazing.
I was going to reply to the other super-defensive dude who replied to you, but I opted out. Thought you might enjoy it, though;) All below:
Actually, I was going to reply to your fan with the following, and opted out. Thought you might enjoy reading it, though:
You have the word "nobody" in your user name. You mentioned the words "minority" and "naked" in your post. That means you like having sex with racially different people only. You use the word "grand," so clearly you're paying a hooker 1000 of some form of currency to engage in prostitute activity.
What I said makes no sense and has to connection to the point you were expressing. Now look at what you wrote. They were trying to express something humorous and you took it as an attack. You know what people usually do when they see themselves being referenced? Defend themselves. Mmmhmm. You're making it look more like you're actually seeing some truth rather than a joke.
You're telling someone that everything they are possibly pointing out as an issue that could use discussion is nothing but accusations toward your beliefs, in your own head. Your messages make absolutely no sense except for the individuals who can read between the lines:
You must always be on top. You're the winner. Everyone else is just a tool to make you feel better about yourself. Whenever they speak or type, it's ALL about you. Everything you think and feel is correct. It's right. They're wrong. All of them. Instead of reading the message they're trying to express about something completely innocent and partially inane, with some personal experience driven being shared, you take it as a set of words to throw back at them expecting fear, guilt, and/or lack of response. The best ones are the ones who reply to your replies because it gives you something else to pick on. You can take those emotions received and use it to build up your self-esteem as "that guy who was the last one speaking." That's right, you won because the intelligent individual laughed at your reply and didn't even have the time of day to respond. You're feeling that anger inside right now, aren't you? That's called epinephrine. Oh, that's right, the average individual calls it adrenaline. Yeah, spike that! SPIKE IT! There are other ways to get a rush. Try endorphins. Go out and take a walk; try a run. You know what? When you answer back with your garbage response that is absolutely contradictory to everything I've mentioned, I'm NOT reading it. I'm not answering. You know what? That means you're the winner! Yaaaay!:D
...so if information is information, it's remembered, right? Memory?
If the issue isn't lack of information, but lack of study, what is study? Examination of a certain amount of information, and not grabbing all of it? I don't see how it's possible to study *everything in the world* in school.
That being said, what does study produce as output? I'm seeing something like..... hmm... *thinks* examination of information =~ discovering underlying concepts and patterns. So, using underlying concepts and patterns like "how to do multiplication" or "how to understand what the dinosaurs looked like" is.. hmm.. useful, BUT, if you don't use it in your life, what is the use?
Now lemme think again *strains with face turning red* understanding HOW things work and storing information with a past modeling concept in mind, along with taking a look at current subjects with those models applied, and let me mention "with near 100% accuracy and repetition of past events and models," I conjecture a person who has more useful ability than the storage of the information from school.
Now let me decide who I should be that's of more use... Do I want to be the person who learned what they were taught in school, by the reading materials and examinations of rote that were chosen by that school district and/or their teaching staff? Do I want to be someone that can understand the underlying concepts of things, events, and procedural outcomes, so that I may intelligently learn how to learn things of use, filter out garbage, and understand the outcome of situations before wasting people and/or time attempting them?
I have witnessed how female colleagues are literally hounded out of jobs because the men around them cant stomach the idea of working in a even field with a woman, and even more unthinkable, that they have to report to one.
I've seen men who hate reporting to the woman because they ASSume that the woman will be making gender-biased decisions ONLY. Let's leave the fact that she works alongside men and has superiors that are male and female. It's all about the man not wanting a woman for a boss because it's so very easy to pick from the lowest-hanging fruit to find something to complain about. I'm right on with ya here!
The other point of you having experienced men not wanting women alongside them (as opposed to superiors), I would love to hear a story you have. I've never seen that one before in my career. I've only been in one position where the girl was "the hottie" and another one of the employees was constantly pursuing her even though she was married, but that's a story for another day. What's an example of men not liking the women on the team?
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I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that people are in agreement with what you just said.... but there are concerns.
What I see as a concern is the "typical move," if you will, by the government to save money by offloading the responsibility to contracted companies. They do it with everything they can to save money.
The flip-side of that situation is that if the government doesn't offload the data to others, that the government will have enormous amounts of data on people; enormous amounts that can be combined, distributed, "conveniently deleted," etc etc etc etc etc... Privacy blah blah, yadda yadda.
My view is simple. People who fear will fear. People who don't won't. The same outcome will occur regardless of peoples' viewpoints, as long as the higher-ups make/save/etc money by agreeing to the plan. Look at history. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. It repeats itself. Ad nauseum.
I hope you understand that what you asked is what I agree with already...
Anyway, I should have put "mass" in quotes because it was intended to be a pun.
People have a phychological tendency that doesn't change with time (because it does have SOME purpose; what that is I do not know). The brain maps an ideal or thought process once it's received. The emotional output that's derived as it's received is also attached, leading to the typical Human response - a person will believe something that they see as true to be true until it's proven false. An emotional response will trigger fear/anger, along with thought. People will sometimes accept the new information as "possible" or "true," but they will avoid the person who gave them that information. It's a way of maintaining ego and self-worth.
Re-learning and erasure of the original "falsehood," or whatnot, is VERY difficult. The brain is very stubborn.
The funny part is that the person who has had their thought modified will teach the new information; the fun part is looking at whether they teach with fact in an "I'm right" state, or fact combined with alternative possibility. Enter teachers and parents.
Yeah, the rest kinda falls into place where it is today and will be for a LONG time.
People seen as "nut jobs" are often the ones that have the capacity and ability to modify factual information, always looking for the answer.
Go ahead. Anyone, disagree. I want to hear what you believe. ;)
You said nukular. You made a funny. :D
I'm agreeing with you, in case any other people *glare* miss it.
I wonder what the mass of the Vatican is...?
Sorry.. I had to. It was right there. ;)
Funny as hell!
Screw that, I just love your UID# ;)
Is a "your mom" joke appropriate in this particular case? :>
I suck at mathematics worse than most people do. I can't graduate from college for that reason, let alone money. ...so let's do the math on those two things (tee hee). I am sort of glad I didn't go to college.
Visual-spatial memory and thought are my primary driver.
For those who don't "have it," I may appear to be a completely weird person that they can't understand... someone who can look at things from 200,000 different angles and still say that there is no answer.
It's hard to find friends, lemme tell ya. :)
Sorry, sometimes I make no sense to people.
You know you're making an obvious statement to someone who understands this, hence the sarcasm.
The outdoor comment at the end was the only one I had with a non-humorous intent. Par.
Oh, so that's why my brother is having trouble getting his remote outdoor helicopter to properly maintain position for over a few seconds.
If he would only do it indoors in a large structure! ...with multiple props.. /sarcasm ;)
I love the length of outdoor shots. Looks pretty par to me.
*cough*curvature of space time a possibility or not*coughcough*
Score possibility! ...could be that with 5 other dynamics or constants, too; i.e. it may not be something that's able to be detected unless everything is 3-dimensionally organized in a certain fashion, particles of (these types) are traveling at (these speeds) in combination with echoes of (these particles) WHEN combined with (these particles) of (these speeds) interacting with complex first set, while only (this 4th dimension interaction) is disposed of at a certain rate between (a, b, and c).
Or it's gas. Who knows? lol
Oh, wait, NASA knows how to scientifically come up with the answers to everything already, so we should just wait for their answer. Tee hee.
Hush, hush.
Don't be saying things that make sound logical sense.
You'll make the average societal game players say "huh" too many times and exhale too much CO2. It will also create a sonic vibration cancellation of the "huh" of another and make people die in silence.
Oh, damnit. There I go again. ;)
But but but but buttttt... WHYYYYYYYY? *cries*
I wanna go screw with something I don't know anything about so I can tell everyone something completely safe and scientifiiiicccccc..
*sniff sniff* ...and I wanna bring some home with meeeeeeee. *kicking tantrum* ;)
Yes, indeed.
Who knows..? Maybe this will be the first discovery of a new particle or universal dynamic/static form of energy that we hadn't previously even thought of.
Or, maybe it's not. So anyone with ideas, keep your mouths shut.
In case it's not clear, previous sentence was a sarcastic statement. Based on most, if not all, Human scientific discoveries from the past, people on the outside looking in aren't ALWAYS wrong.
I'm on-board with your comment. Yes, that's real, not sarcastic ;)
Not that I need to jump in here, but I should mention that this is one of my (and many others') issues in life...
Instead of making logical jumps / the reasoning of possibility and openly discussing it with other individuals, I (and many others) are expected to keep our mouths shut until the "other people who do this for a living" complete their work.
Let's leave any other possibilities and base ideas out of the picture.
*walks*
Sol, when the first nuclear explosion occurred, released a large snezonic boom. This is where the word "Sneeze" comes from.
After that, there were a few more. One blew all of the oxygen away from Mars. Another left a bunch of particles in Earth's atmosphere, effectively ending the reign of the dinosaurs.
If you people would just think about this, GHHHHAWD!
*snort*
Damnit.
I hate these models because there's a clear design flaw. Here's my experience in the short, short, short version:
Women appear in the IT team where I worked. They wanted to move ahead/up in the company, but they remained quiet because they didn't want to start fights and get in trouble or fired.
Years pass.
Finally, a new woman that started at the company was appalled by the horrible repression that all of the existing women were punished with (let's not bring into this the fact that men that kept quiet also had the same experience).
On a daily basis, said woman got next to no work done and spent time creating dramatic situations in the department between women/women, women/men, and men/men.
This woman threatens to sue and uses her college degree as an indication that she is superior to all of the individuals on the WebApp team.
Almost immediately, she is placed in the leadership position on the other team - WebApp. She takes two women from our team, by trading two men from that team to our storage team.
The new men on our team didn't understand the issues we were dealing with and didn't have solid backgrounds in storage management; that's needed. The women that were "promoted openly" to the other team with the new female superiority-based team leader had no idea what they were working on because they had no experience with Java WebApp development.
Oh, my. Sister Superior on the WebApp team had NO EXPERIENCE in WebApp design *OR* Java! Wow. This is getting good.
The two women that were pulled to the other team asked for their positions on our team back after a few weeks, and the two men asked for the positions on their old team back.
The exchange occurs. Tension is growing in the back of everyone's minds.
Work goes on and the day-to-day tasks are accomplished with no unusual hiccups; things are "back to normal" on our team.
One day, we find out that the woman on the other team (Superiority captain) is terminated because she made threatening statements to the men on her team because they were "working too quickly and not documenting everything they were doing." When I say threatening, I mean physically threatening. Oh yeah.
She disappears and is never heard from again.
One of the women on our team is asked to fill in on the other team, as she had a few weeks of experience. She turned the offer down. The other woman was offered the position, and SHE QUIT.
The quitting woman loudly expressed her discontent that the company was choosing her simply because she was a woman. The company denied and responded with a higher-paid offer in the SAME POSITION. They made it clear to her (which she shared with all of us) that she was chosen only because of her previous experience on that team. Mmmhmm. One where she didn't know a thing and didn't do anything.
She took the position.
A few weeks later, a person was hired on to our team that had absolutely no experience in storage management. A guy.
Then, the woman who moved to the other team leadership position quit her job and told a few of us that she got a top-level management position at a company. Guess what she was a manager of? Device automation; she had no experience with it and had no idea what she was doing. She laughed that she is making 3 times the pay from our company, though. We all laughed with her.
The guy who was hired on to our team who had previous experience in Java WebApp development -AND- team leadership asked to be considered for the team leadership position on the other team.
He was approved and switched right over there. Congratulations, boss! Oh, wait, he had no idea how WebApps work. And didn't know Java. HE LIED ON HIS RESUME!
Another nice guy who worked on our team showed a couple of us something nice... He shows us his resume; he had over 10 years of management experience and 5 years of Java Web Application development experience.
He shows us something else: a letter he wrote back after M
but but but but but...... I have a comment to the parent of your reply!!! I do I do!!! lol
--
*Ahem* As I stand on my pedestal of deep and multi-dimensional understanding of the universe and all of its fundamental operatives, I will tell you, quite clearly if I may add, that no one has EVER heard the term "woman-bashing" or "women-bashing" before. Ever. Thank you all, and have a pleasant day.
--
I love it when people make statements using the declaration of truth to DIRECTLY point out the falsehood of it in and of itself. Amazing. A-freaking-mazing.
I was going to reply to the other super-defensive dude who replied to you, but I opted out. Thought you might enjoy it, though ;)
All below:
Actually, I was going to reply to your fan with the following, and opted out. Thought you might enjoy reading it, though:
You have the word "nobody" in your user name. You mentioned the words "minority" and "naked" in your post. That means you like having sex with racially different people only. You use the word "grand," so clearly you're paying a hooker 1000 of some form of currency to engage in prostitute activity.
What I said makes no sense and has to connection to the point you were expressing. Now look at what you wrote. They were trying to express something humorous and you took it as an attack. You know what people usually do when they see themselves being referenced? Defend themselves. Mmmhmm. You're making it look more like you're actually seeing some truth rather than a joke.
You're telling someone that everything they are possibly pointing out as an issue that could use discussion is nothing but accusations toward your beliefs, in your own head. Your messages make absolutely no sense except for the individuals who can read between the lines:
You must always be on top. You're the winner. Everyone else is just a tool to make you feel better about yourself. Whenever they speak or type, it's ALL about you. Everything you think and feel is correct. It's right. They're wrong. All of them. Instead of reading the message they're trying to express about something completely innocent and partially inane, with some personal experience driven being shared, you take it as a set of words to throw back at them expecting fear, guilt, and/or lack of response. The best ones are the ones who reply to your replies because it gives you something else to pick on. You can take those emotions received and use it to build up your self-esteem as "that guy who was the last one speaking." That's right, you won because the intelligent individual laughed at your reply and didn't even have the time of day to respond. :D
You're feeling that anger inside right now, aren't you? That's called epinephrine. Oh, that's right, the average individual calls it adrenaline. Yeah, spike that! SPIKE IT!
There are other ways to get a rush. Try endorphins. Go out and take a walk; try a run.
You know what? When you answer back with your garbage response that is absolutely contradictory to everything I've mentioned, I'm NOT reading it. I'm not answering.
You know what? That means you're the winner! Yaaaay!
Oh, and learn to spell.
HA! http://xkcd.com/322/. Nice. Not that it even needs mention, but there's a guy making the calls. Go figure.
Damn visual-spatial curse. ;)
...so if information is information, it's remembered, right? Memory?
If the issue isn't lack of information, but lack of study, what is study? Examination of a certain amount of information, and not grabbing all of it? I don't see how it's possible to study *everything in the world* in school.
That being said, what does study produce as output? I'm seeing something like..... hmm... *thinks* examination of information =~ discovering underlying concepts and patterns. So, using underlying concepts and patterns like "how to do multiplication" or "how to understand what the dinosaurs looked like" is.. hmm.. useful, BUT, if you don't use it in your life, what is the use?
Now lemme think again *strains with face turning red* understanding HOW things work and storing information with a past modeling concept in mind, along with taking a look at current subjects with those models applied, and let me mention "with near 100% accuracy and repetition of past events and models," I conjecture a person who has more useful ability than the storage of the information from school.
Now let me decide who I should be that's of more use... Do I want to be the person who learned what they were taught in school, by the reading materials and examinations of rote that were chosen by that school district and/or their teaching staff?
Do I want to be someone that can understand the underlying concepts of things, events, and procedural outcomes, so that I may intelligently learn how to learn things of use, filter out garbage, and understand the outcome of situations before wasting people and/or time attempting them?
I'll choose the latter.
I have witnessed how female colleagues are literally hounded out of jobs because the men around them cant stomach the idea of working in a even field with a woman, and even more unthinkable, that they have to report to one.
I've seen men who hate reporting to the woman because they ASSume that the woman will be making gender-biased decisions ONLY. Let's leave the fact that she works alongside men and has superiors that are male and female. It's all about the man not wanting a woman for a boss because it's so very easy to pick from the lowest-hanging fruit to find something to complain about. I'm right on with ya here!
The other point of you having experienced men not wanting women alongside them (as opposed to superiors), I would love to hear a story you have. I've never seen that one before in my career. I've only been in one position where the girl was "the hottie" and another one of the employees was constantly pursuing her even though she was married, but that's a story for another day. What's an example of men not liking the women on the team?