Wow, nice post there by an anonymous (and indeed abusive) coward. Especially funny that you consider me incapable of being polite, yet you come here and hurl insults at someone you never met, whilst posting anonymously.
True, but every dead link means more frustration for the pirates. People are generally lazy. A lot of people who can do 3 mouse clicks and get a pirated DVD download will just give up and pay for the thing if they have to spend an hour following dead links and downloading half finished torrents before they get something valid. Thats all they need to do.
In which case if I cant get paid by people who want the product I make, I will be forced to go work in an industry like carpentry instead. I'm a crap carpenter, but a better game designer, but in your fantasy world, I will spend my time doing something I'm bad at, and generate less money and thus taxes for the economy. And of course that means the games I would have made will not get made. So we are all worse off. great system you propose there, and all so you can justify stealing movies and software while its still being produced.
Pure fucking urban legend. My games are there too, I asked very nicely, they didn't do shit, or even bother replying. It's pure fantasy land bullshit put around by TPB themselves that they give a fuck whose copyright they are breaking. They spread that bullshit about just asking nicely to make them seem like the good guys, but its just a big fat joke on the people who worship them. They make a fortune in advertising, and then have the cheek to ask people for money to buy an island, which no doubt went straight to a Swiss bank account. Believe me, those guys don't give a damn whose business they are wrecking, they only care about their own bank balance. it's truly sad to see so many people fall for it.
Wow, try and tone down the bitterness, jealousy and arrogance a bit, and maybe some of the 'moronic actors' would give a flying fuck what people like you thought. You are a perfect number one example of the exact attitude that I mean
"moronic actors" "get your ass back to work" "work for a living like the rest of us"
Re-read my post. You are doing exactly what I knew people on here would do, sneer at people who decided to work for royalties rather than the nice safe cushy salary you chose, call them morons, yet strangely torrent their movies... What total fucking hypocrisy. if all actors are lazy morons, you could obviously make so much more money and do such a better job if you started acting. So maybe you should get off your ass and go show those morons how easy it is eh?
Some famous actors make more money than you or I do. Deal with it. Some hedge fund managers make even more still, why not go hurl abuse at them?
The customer is not the enemy, but its about time people campaigning very loudly against DRM and even against the idea of copyright realised the content producer isn't your enemy either. We are just people trying to make a living creating entertainment for lots of people. Yet generally, on sites like/. and digg, we are treated like rapists.
You can't expect any copyright holder to listen to a single word of criticism said by people who are abusive, sarcastic and insulting whenever the topic comes up, yet that is always the case. And any discussion of how bad copyright or DRM is must be accompanied by serious proposals for how we can continue to get entertainment media created in the same quantity and variety using an alternate system. People waving their arms and talking about 'performances' and 'ad-revenue' haven't done the maths, or worked out how software developers and film makers can perform their works.
Learn to spell kid. Or address the fucking issue. But hey, anything that lets people like you think they are justified in taking other peoples work for free is just dandy right?
I always used to think it would be quite an easy job. Don't spend money giving weapons to religious maniacs in other countries who may then use them against you, don't give tax cuts to people who are already stupidly rich, invest in healthcare yada yada...
But actually once I sat down and simulated the whole thing as accurately as I could , and play tested the thing, I realised that it's a total bastard of a job.
The main dilemma is that you can't do fuck all unless you are elected. And staying elected means being popular with a wide range of people who have a wide range of views. You might think you know what you will do when you get elected, but the pressure to make compromises just to stay in power is very high, and before you know it, you are passing laws you don't vaguely agree with it, and cutting spending in areas you strongly support, just to keep key swing voters happy. You pick 'your people', keep em just happy enough, and then do any crazy shit you can to get the swing voters to tip you over 50% on a regular basis.
In many way, I've come to think that the best form of government is a benign dictatorship. they can do what needs doing without any pandering. However, it's a bit lucky dip getting a benign one:D
I'm hoping you are genuine, because what you describe is a real problem. There are lots of people out there with the ideas, the talent and the position to be able to make the next round of amazing movies, great music, great TV etc etc, but are they really sensible to invest the money they have made thus far in a system where a sizeable chunk of people will just enjoy the content anyway but not pay? If you are funding a movie right now, you have to accept that a bigger and bigger chunk of the audience not only will not pay, but will slag you off for even taking the most simple measures to encourage them to do so.
Nobody *likes* DRM who has any brains, but most people with brains accept the fact that I you can't prevent people stealing copies of a product that is 99% fixed costs, then it just doesn't make sense to make any more products. The defence that "the blockbuster movies suck, it will be cool to see movies made by people for the love of it" is just bullshit. Youtube is movies made by amateurs for the love of it, and 99.99% of it is crap. The most popular movies are big budget efforts, not the stuff made by amateurs. I'm looking forward to the next movie that's as amazing as 'hero'. I doubt it will be a part-time effort made between peoples day job.
The real killer is that if the people who are pro-piracy really think amateur, free content is better, why the fuck are they always torenting spiderman 3?
If you want to be a communist, that's up to you. but the pirate party pretend they aren't, and yet they want to be communist, yet download all the capitalist movies. I don't see many communist movies in the piratebay top ten. do you?
what bollocks. the pirate party are defending places like the pirate bay, whose lifeblood is selling advertising space whilst they promtoe the download of those same violent sexist movies you kid yourself the 'movement' is somehow against.
if this whole piracy thing was about anything more noble that getting current style media for free, the top ten lists of every torrent site on earth would not be packed with hollywood movies. It all sounds really cool and anti-corporate and about 'sticking it to the man', but the hard reality is that this is just a bullshit to smokescreen to cover up the fact that people want the latest hollywood movies, but want to take them without paying. In fact, they want them so badly they will get them before they are released.
Nobody is stopping you making free movies, free music, free software and putting it online for free legal download. The facts, however show that this is not what people want. Go check some torrent list top tens before you try and claim otherwise.
Piracy is about leeching off the backs off honest people. Trying to pretend it isn't is just infantile.
if you want to support someone financially, how about the artists whose music you download, the movie makers whose movies you watch, and the developers whose programs you use? Or is it just easier to stick two fingers up to all those people whilst sending money to someone who promises you can have everything for free.
sorry...correction, that you can have what *other people*, (not him) produce , for free...
This is amateur hour politics for kids who haven't go their first job yet. Anyone over 13 years old who thinks this stuff is a credible plan for society needs to read some history books on how the system has worked in the past.
This is a solution to what problem exactly? The proposed solution is DRM-free high quality tracks, where *if* you leak it onto a file-sharing site, then you can be traced. How is this a bad thing? You seem to think this is a problem, but I can only see this being a problem from the POV of pirates, and people determined to leech music for free.
You would have a reasonable argument to suggest that the law needs some safeguards, and that the record companies should not throw the book at someone who stupidly emailed a song to a friend, who then must have leaked it, but assuming the record companies only target the hardcore who upload entire albums, or are traced to p2p music on multiple occasions, what exactly is bad and wrong about this? DRM-free music was supposedly what slashdot readers want? Or was it just 'free' music all along, and the DRM thing was just a way to claim justification for piracy while it lasted?
People complained that they pirated because the music had DRM, and the DRM is going. People complained the music was too expensive, and itunes led to way lower prices. Now what is the excuse?
cartel? Nobody prevents people from creating their own copyrighted content, and releasing or enforcing it. There isn't even an effective cartel in the music business, much thought people like to think there is.
Oh dear. Yet another slashdot post where someone tries to lump in anyone who does not want to abolish copyright with satan, on the grounds that some dipshit executive at Disney once tried to do X, Y or Z.
please realise that not all copyright holders support the RIAA, DRM, law suits against kids etc etc. In fact, the VAST majority of us support shorter copyright terms, and a strong support of fair use and format shifting.
However because idiots like the piratebay try to polarize the whole thing as being "you are pro-filesharing or against it", then as someone who produces digital content and has bills to pay, I find myself supporting the RIAA rather than the slashdot groupthink, despite disagreeing with them 99% of the way.
Every time people trot out bullshit like "copyright is all evil and file sharing should be legal" or "information wants to be free", it just makes people campaigning for legitimate copyright reform look like a bunch of children. People do NO good for rational copyright laws by trying to insist that all copyright holders be lumped in with 'teh evil RIAA'.
Frankly any country that wants to abolish copyright (which is what legalizing file-sharing amounts to) should feel free to do it. But people who make a living from selling copyrighted products should feel free to lobby international telcos to cut off access to those entire countries in retaliation. After all, id the swedes think that file sharing is the way forward, let them just share Swedish content, and we will see if they feel better off. Surely they don't want the evil content that has been tainted by copyright which comes from the rest of the world anyway?
people using a word processor can READ. what part of "FREE TRIAL EXPIRED" does an honest person not understand? Don't make excuses for it, people taking software without paying for it is wrong. Everyone knows that. Some try to pretend otherwise to make themselves feel better about doing it.
Wow. amazingly yes, I don't steal music. Such people do exist. Luckily, because without us, how the hell do you think the content producers pay their rent? And believe it or not, if I want to watch a TV show, I watch the show, rather than watch it in a tiny window on youtube.
I don't care how your lawyer wants to phrase it, but if someone sells X for Y dollars and you just take it and keep your money and ignore the law, then you are a thief, you can dress it up all you like. People arguing about whether its 'theft' or infringement' are just trying to deflect criticism away from something most of us learn from our parents, namely that you shouldn't take the results of other peoples work without paying them (unless its offered for free). Who gives a fuck what lawyers call it? Microsoft office is NOT free. Everyone on Earth knows that. If you can't afford it, use a freeware alternative, they aren't hard to find.
Amazingly, as a software developer, I don't consider it to be 'selling your soul' to report a business that gives itself an unfair advantage over the competition by using software they refuse to pay for. I consider it levelling the playing field. There is free software out there if you are on a budget. I didn't realise there was a secret code amongst IT guys to encourage your employer to just steal Microsoft office instead.
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Oh dear.
If you take a look at the current PC games industry you will find the ONLY people doing PC-only (designed for PC games) are small indies like me, and people doing MMOs. Everything else has moved to consoles. MMos can't be pirated, and I can just about scrape a living despite the piracy because my costs are so low. And if I could get past the gatekeepers of the consoles, I'd switch to consoles tomorrow, PURELY because the piracy rate there is so much lower.
So yes, thanks to piracy the PC games industry is frankly a mess of crappy half-baked console ports. But hey, whatever helps you feel good about taking other peoples work for free right?
But if you think it unfair that someone has opted for royalties rather than a salary, why do you not do the same? seriously? Could it be that with your knowledge of all the pros and cons of the two approaches, you made the decision that suits you best? How would you feel if musicians started whining at you about your regular salary and how you had it so easy? you'd tell them to stop dreaming and get a job wouldn't you?
so if I spend next weekend making a wardrobe with my hands. Its mine forever and nobody else's right?
but if I spend next weekend writing an article using my head and hands, It becomes everyone else's in 15 years?
And you imply it was everyone's property implicitly from the day I wrote it. So why the fuck would I bother? If you are going to let me keep the wardrobe, but you get all uppity about if I create something non tangible, then I'll just stick to carpentry.
in short, that's a great way to kill off all industries that don't create something physical. Well done, the internet allows us to have amazing digital economies, and you have found a way to stop it happening.
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Wow, nice post there by an anonymous (and indeed abusive) coward. Especially funny that you consider me incapable of being polite, yet you come here and hurl insults at someone you never met, whilst posting anonymously.
True, but every dead link means more frustration for the pirates. People are generally lazy. A lot of people who can do 3 mouse clicks and get a pirated DVD download will just give up and pay for the thing if they have to spend an hour following dead links and downloading half finished torrents before they get something valid. Thats all they need to do.
In which case if I cant get paid by people who want the product I make, I will be forced to go work in an industry like carpentry instead. I'm a crap carpenter, but a better game designer, but in your fantasy world, I will spend my time doing something I'm bad at, and generate less money and thus taxes for the economy.
And of course that means the games I would have made will not get made.
So we are all worse off. great system you propose there, and all so you can justify stealing movies and software while its still being produced.
Pure fucking urban legend. My games are there too, I asked very nicely, they didn't do shit, or even bother replying. It's pure fantasy land bullshit put around by TPB themselves that they give a fuck whose copyright they are breaking. They spread that bullshit about just asking nicely to make them seem like the good guys, but its just a big fat joke on the people who worship them. They make a fortune in advertising, and then have the cheek to ask people for money to buy an island, which no doubt went straight to a Swiss bank account.
Believe me, those guys don't give a damn whose business they are wrecking, they only care about their own bank balance. it's truly sad to see so many people fall for it.
Wow, try and tone down the bitterness, jealousy and arrogance a bit, and maybe some of the 'moronic actors' would give a flying fuck what people like you thought. You are a perfect number one example of the exact attitude that I mean
"moronic actors"
"get your ass back to work"
"work for a living like the rest of us"
Re-read my post. You are doing exactly what I knew people on here would do, sneer at people who decided to work for royalties rather than the nice safe cushy salary you chose, call them morons, yet strangely torrent their movies... What total fucking hypocrisy.
if all actors are lazy morons, you could obviously make so much more money and do such a better job if you started acting. So maybe you should get off your ass and go show those morons how easy it is eh?
Some famous actors make more money than you or I do. Deal with it. Some hedge fund managers make even more still, why not go hurl abuse at them?
The customer is not the enemy, but its about time people campaigning very loudly against DRM and even against the idea of copyright realised the content producer isn't your enemy either. We are just people trying to make a living creating entertainment for lots of people. Yet generally, on sites like /. and digg, we are treated like rapists.
You can't expect any copyright holder to listen to a single word of criticism said by people who are abusive, sarcastic and insulting whenever the topic comes up, yet that is always the case.
And any discussion of how bad copyright or DRM is must be accompanied by serious proposals for how we can continue to get entertainment media created in the same quantity and variety using an alternate system. People waving their arms and talking about 'performances' and 'ad-revenue' haven't done the maths, or worked out how software developers and film makers can perform their works.
Learn to spell kid.
Or address the fucking issue. But hey, anything that lets people like you think they are justified in taking other peoples work for free is just dandy right?
wow. Sounds like you really get annoyed when someone makes a point you can't refute. maybe you need to work on that.
I always used to think it would be quite an easy job. Don't spend money giving weapons to religious maniacs in other countries who may then use them against you, don't give tax cuts to people who are already stupidly rich, invest in healthcare yada yada... But actually once I sat down and simulated the whole thing as accurately as I could , and play tested the thing, I realised that it's a total bastard of a job. The main dilemma is that you can't do fuck all unless you are elected. And staying elected means being popular with a wide range of people who have a wide range of views. You might think you know what you will do when you get elected, but the pressure to make compromises just to stay in power is very high, and before you know it, you are passing laws you don't vaguely agree with it, and cutting spending in areas you strongly support, just to keep key swing voters happy. You pick 'your people', keep em just happy enough, and then do any crazy shit you can to get the swing voters to tip you over 50% on a regular basis. In many way, I've come to think that the best form of government is a benign dictatorship. they can do what needs doing without any pandering. However, it's a bit lucky dip getting a benign one :D
I'm hoping you are genuine, because what you describe is a real problem. There are lots of people out there with the ideas, the talent and the position to be able to make the next round of amazing movies, great music, great TV etc etc, but are they really sensible to invest the money they have made thus far in a system where a sizeable chunk of people will just enjoy the content anyway but not pay?
If you are funding a movie right now, you have to accept that a bigger and bigger chunk of the audience not only will not pay, but will slag you off for even taking the most simple measures to encourage them to do so.
Nobody *likes* DRM who has any brains, but most people with brains accept the fact that I you can't prevent people stealing copies of a product that is 99% fixed costs, then it just doesn't make sense to make any more products. The defence that "the blockbuster movies suck, it will be cool to see movies made by people for the love of it" is just bullshit. Youtube is movies made by amateurs for the love of it, and 99.99% of it is crap. The most popular movies are big budget efforts, not the stuff made by amateurs.
I'm looking forward to the next movie that's as amazing as 'hero'. I doubt it will be a part-time effort made between peoples day job.
The real killer is that if the people who are pro-piracy really think amateur, free content is better, why the fuck are they always torenting spiderman 3?
If you want to be a communist, that's up to you. but the pirate party pretend they aren't, and yet they want to be communist, yet download all the capitalist movies. I don't see many communist movies in the piratebay top ten. do you?
what bollocks.
the pirate party are defending places like the pirate bay, whose lifeblood is selling advertising space whilst they promtoe the download of those same violent sexist movies you kid yourself the 'movement' is somehow against.
if this whole piracy thing was about anything more noble that getting current style media for free, the top ten lists of every torrent site on earth would not be packed with hollywood movies. It all sounds really cool and anti-corporate and about 'sticking it to the man', but the hard reality is that this is just a bullshit to smokescreen to cover up the fact that people want the latest hollywood movies, but want to take them without paying. In fact, they want them so badly they will get them before they are released.
Nobody is stopping you making free movies, free music, free software and putting it online for free legal download. The facts, however show that this is not what people want. Go check some torrent list top tens before you try and claim otherwise.
Piracy is about leeching off the backs off honest people. Trying to pretend it isn't is just infantile.
if you want to support someone financially, how about the artists whose music you download, the movie makers whose movies you watch, and the developers whose programs you use?
Or is it just easier to stick two fingers up to all those people whilst sending money to someone who promises you can have everything for free.
sorry...correction, that you can have what *other people*, (not him) produce , for free...
This is amateur hour politics for kids who haven't go their first job yet. Anyone over 13 years old who thinks this stuff is a credible plan for society needs to read some history books on how the system has worked in the past.
This is a solution to what problem exactly?
The proposed solution is DRM-free high quality tracks, where *if* you leak it onto a file-sharing site, then you can be traced. How is this a bad thing?
You seem to think this is a problem, but I can only see this being a problem from the POV of pirates, and people determined to leech music for free.
You would have a reasonable argument to suggest that the law needs some safeguards, and that the record companies should not throw the book at someone who stupidly emailed a song to a friend, who then must have leaked it, but assuming the record companies only target the hardcore who upload entire albums, or are traced to p2p music on multiple occasions, what exactly is bad and wrong about this?
DRM-free music was supposedly what slashdot readers want? Or was it just 'free' music all along, and the DRM thing was just a way to claim justification for piracy while it lasted?
People complained that they pirated because the music had DRM, and the DRM is going. People complained the music was too expensive, and itunes led to way lower prices. Now what is the excuse?
cartel?
Nobody prevents people from creating their own copyrighted content, and releasing or enforcing it. There isn't even an effective cartel in the music business, much thought people like to think there is.
Oh dear.
Yet another slashdot post where someone tries to lump in anyone who does not want to abolish copyright with satan, on the grounds that some dipshit executive at Disney once tried to do X, Y or Z.
please realise that not all copyright holders support the RIAA, DRM, law suits against kids etc etc. In fact, the VAST majority of us support shorter copyright terms, and a strong support of fair use and format shifting.
However because idiots like the piratebay try to polarize the whole thing as being "you are pro-filesharing or against it", then as someone who produces digital content and has bills to pay, I find myself supporting the RIAA rather than the slashdot groupthink, despite disagreeing with them 99% of the way.
Every time people trot out bullshit like "copyright is all evil and file sharing should be legal" or "information wants to be free", it just makes people campaigning for legitimate copyright reform look like a bunch of children. People do NO good for rational copyright laws by trying to insist that all copyright holders be lumped in with 'teh evil RIAA'.
Frankly any country that wants to abolish copyright (which is what legalizing file-sharing amounts to) should feel free to do it. But people who make a living from selling copyrighted products should feel free to lobby international telcos to cut off access to those entire countries in retaliation. After all, id the swedes think that file sharing is the way forward, let them just share Swedish content, and we will see if they feel better off. Surely they don't want the evil content that has been tainted by copyright which comes from the rest of the world anyway?
people using a word processor can READ. what part of "FREE TRIAL EXPIRED" does an honest person not understand? Don't make excuses for it, people taking software without paying for it is wrong. Everyone knows that. Some try to pretend otherwise to make themselves feel better about doing it.
Wow. amazingly yes, I don't steal music. Such people do exist. Luckily, because without us, how the hell do you think the content producers pay their rent?
And believe it or not, if I want to watch a TV show, I watch the show, rather than watch it in a tiny window on youtube.
I don't care how your lawyer wants to phrase it, but if someone sells X for Y dollars and you just take it and keep your money and ignore the law, then you are a thief, you can dress it up all you like.
People arguing about whether its 'theft' or infringement' are just trying to deflect criticism away from something most of us learn from our parents, namely that you shouldn't take the results of other peoples work without paying them (unless its offered for free).
Who gives a fuck what lawyers call it? Microsoft office is NOT free. Everyone on Earth knows that. If you can't afford it, use a freeware alternative, they aren't hard to find.
Amazingly, as a software developer, I don't consider it to be 'selling your soul' to report a business that gives itself an unfair advantage over the competition by using software they refuse to pay for. I consider it levelling the playing field.
There is free software out there if you are on a budget. I didn't realise there was a secret code amongst IT guys to encourage your employer to just steal Microsoft office instead.
Oh dear.
If you take a look at the current PC games industry you will find the ONLY people doing PC-only (designed for PC games) are small indies like me, and people doing MMOs. Everything else has moved to consoles.
MMos can't be pirated, and I can just about scrape a living despite the piracy because my costs are so low. And if I could get past the gatekeepers of the consoles, I'd switch to consoles tomorrow, PURELY because the piracy rate there is so much lower.
So yes, thanks to piracy the PC games industry is frankly a mess of crappy half-baked console ports.
But hey, whatever helps you feel good about taking other peoples work for free right?
only a dribbling anonymous retard thinks you can equate the effort of writing a book with effort of pressing a button on a photocopier.
What drivel.
But if you think it unfair that someone has opted for royalties rather than a salary, why do you not do the same?
seriously?
Could it be that with your knowledge of all the pros and cons of the two approaches, you made the decision that suits you best?
How would you feel if musicians started whining at you about your regular salary and how you had it so easy? you'd tell them to stop dreaming and get a job wouldn't you?
eh?
so if I spend next weekend making a wardrobe with my hands. Its mine forever and nobody else's right?
but if I spend next weekend writing an article using my head and hands, It becomes everyone else's in 15 years?
And you imply it was everyone's property implicitly from the day I wrote it. So why the fuck would I bother? If you are going to let me keep the wardrobe, but you get all uppity about if I create something non tangible, then I'll just stick to carpentry.
in short, that's a great way to kill off all industries that don't create something physical. Well done, the internet allows us to have amazing digital economies, and you have found a way to stop it happening.
I have no mod points but would seriously love to mod you up for that...