Why do I need to listen to a freaking podcast? You need to give a source from the Chinese government, your source won't even hold up in wikipedia, that is what's wrong with this site, it's full of people who just want to bash the US and have no idea what they're talking about.
I can podcast that Chinese only has 1 people working on the project, which is actually much more worrying than 1 million.
I'm really tired of internet trolls dismissing United States' science and technology capabilities by inflating the significance of China landing a rover on the Moon. "OMG, China now owns the moon, they are the number 1 now, we all need to bow to China."
Here the reality check, Google is funding an X Prize for private rovers on the Moon, so what China did using the resource of a entire country is not only 40 years late, it's also something we're asking private enterprise to do for less than a day's profit of Google. The same is true for their manned capabilities, we have 2 private companies building spaceships for NASA, and more building sub-orbital planes/rockets, the vitality and innovation in the private space sector is something China cannot dream of as long as the communist party is in charge.
The only thing less optimal in the US space program is NASA's lack of direction in manned space flight and reduction of funding in automated missions, even so the projects they're working on (SLS, JWST, new Mars lander) far outpace China's plan in these areas (LM-5, more lunar probes with sample returns)
All false yet marked insightful, this is why/. is crap these days.
1. Please give the source for one million people working on their space program. Also I think it should be obvious to anyone with project management experience that more people doesn't equal more work gets done, it's usually the opposite
2. They buy US Treasury Bills because they are running a trade surplus against the US by manipulating the exchange rate, if they have enough cash they wouldn't need to do this. And China is not the only one buying US Treasury Bills, Japan/Brazil/Taiwan/etc all have sizable holdings, so saying it has dubious value is simply false.
3. As for moon base, just because they are raising the possibility does not mean it will happen, US private companies plus Russian and Japan also released plans for moon base. And China have not officially released any plan regarding manned Mars missions.
So if you're an American, stop buying craps from China and support American companies such as SpaceX, this is the best bet to see humans on Mars.
is unauthorized war? I see NSA is protecting US interests by hacking into Chinese government's networks, you do realize Tsinghua University is owned by the Chinese government do you?
Not even their own citizens believe it, so what Snowden says carry a lot of weight. PRISM's problem is domestic spying, I don't think anyone object spying on foreign nations, especially a nation like China.
Interestingly most of your post has nothing to do with what I said or the article itself, you're just trying to blacken the US as much as possible, good try
"independent nation are able to run it how they see fit" is the same logic the communist party used to fend off human right criticisms. By this logic, it is ok for Nazi to use concentration camps or for Japanese to murder entire cities, I sure hope this is not what you meant.
Because they have nuclear capability that can reach the US, is taking a lot of jobs from the US workers and held tons of US debt, they are also polluting the air and water like crazy, all of these can affect you. Also we're not talking about any NSA claims here, we're talking about Snowden's claim and what this particular claim says about him.
As for your question, does it even need an answer? In WWII, Japan bombed US, which is bad not only for US but for the free world; then the US bombed Japan which is very good not only for the US but also for all the people suffering under Japanese occupation. So yeah, an action can be good or bad depending on the circumstances.
since it doesn't help his case against PRISM, it hurts US interests and has no benefit for the US people, so the only conclusion I can draw is he is working for the Chinese side.
a free country, typical Chinese propaganda trick. The very fact that this software is: a) revealed by a US Senate committee; b) its existence published by a news paper; c) its developer and customers answered questions and criticism proves US is much better than your communist dictatorship. Just because you control all your newspapers doesn't mean we couldn't find your dirty secrets, there's plenty of Weibo gets out before being deleted by censors, you can't fool your people forever.
I'm not saying exposing PRISM makes Snowden a Chinese spy, I'm saying exposing the US hacking of Chinese university makes him a Chinese spy. If you have argument for or against PRISM you can argument with someone else, I'm not talking about PRISM here.
Morals and ethics are no exception. Also note I'm not defending NSA's PRISM program, I'm questioning Snowden's motive of revealing US hacking Chinese university, these two are totally unrelated.
expression? Wait...
Do you even see how ridiculous your argument is? Just because you have something against NSA and US government doesn't give you the right to trivialize the pain Chinese people suffered under the communist dictatorship.
EU? But we're not talking about US hacking EU here, we're talking about US hacking China, and why Mr. Snowden reveals this.
Anyway I'm not trying to justify PRISM, it is you who is trying to justify Mr. Snowden's actions.
You do know Chinese parents now buy foreign milk for their babies, even 5 years after the scandal? Milk import is so high the Chinese custom has special rules for them. Looks like the government of your Megacorporate States of America and industrialist overlords did a much better job than the murderous Chinese government and its corporations (You do know the government owns the corporation producing the melamine milk, right?)
It competes by illegally copying other's designs, and keep the wages of their worker really low, the only thing growing in China is their military and pockets of top party leaders.
They killed millions of their own people and get away with it, comparing to them NSA is just child's play. So NSA lied to congress, at least the US has a congress which can catch NSA lying, there's an oath which NSA is supposed to be following. There's no such thing in China, the party determines everything, and if you don't agree with the party, it's the labor camps for you.
1. People like you thought airplane or moon landing are unrealistic and unfeasible, but they're wrong
2. Just because there's no technology to do it now, doesn't mean there won't be technology to do it in the foreseeable future. This is what PR is doing, developing the technology.
3. And who says the developed technology won't be used on earth too, it can benefit both earth based mining and asteroid mining. The material from asteroid is not meant for Earth anyway.
4. The extraordinary claim is not we'll be mining asteroid, it's the claim that "It's over, and we're going nowhere"
5. Space may be dead for you, but the kickstarter campaign proves it lives on in many people's hearts, so go ahead and drown in self-pity, we got asteroids to mine.
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Why do I need to listen to a freaking podcast? You need to give a source from the Chinese government, your source won't even hold up in wikipedia, that is what's wrong with this site, it's full of people who just want to bash the US and have no idea what they're talking about.
I can podcast that Chinese only has 1 people working on the project, which is actually much more worrying than 1 million.
I'm really tired of internet trolls dismissing United States' science and technology capabilities by inflating the significance of China landing a rover on the Moon. "OMG, China now owns the moon, they are the number 1 now, we all need to bow to China."
Here the reality check, Google is funding an X Prize for private rovers on the Moon, so what China did using the resource of a entire country is not only 40 years late, it's also something we're asking private enterprise to do for less than a day's profit of Google. The same is true for their manned capabilities, we have 2 private companies building spaceships for NASA, and more building sub-orbital planes/rockets, the vitality and innovation in the private space sector is something China cannot dream of as long as the communist party is in charge.
The only thing less optimal in the US space program is NASA's lack of direction in manned space flight and reduction of funding in automated missions, even so the projects they're working on (SLS, JWST, new Mars lander) far outpace China's plan in these areas (LM-5, more lunar probes with sample returns)
All false yet marked insightful, this is why /. is crap these days.
1. Please give the source for one million people working on their space program. Also I think it should be obvious to anyone with project management experience that more people doesn't equal more work gets done, it's usually the opposite
2. They buy US Treasury Bills because they are running a trade surplus against the US by manipulating the exchange rate, if they have enough cash they wouldn't need to do this. And China is not the only one buying US Treasury Bills, Japan/Brazil/Taiwan/etc all have sizable holdings, so saying it has dubious value is simply false.
3. As for moon base, just because they are raising the possibility does not mean it will happen, US private companies plus Russian and Japan also released plans for moon base. And China have not officially released any plan regarding manned Mars missions.
So if you're an American, stop buying craps from China and support American companies such as SpaceX, this is the best bet to see humans on Mars.
Hacking the Chinese government is a good thing for both US and Chinese citizens.
is unauthorized war? I see NSA is protecting US interests by hacking into Chinese government's networks, you do realize Tsinghua University is owned by the Chinese government do you?
Not even their own citizens believe it, so what Snowden says carry a lot of weight. PRISM's problem is domestic spying, I don't think anyone object spying on foreign nations, especially a nation like China.
Most likely he defected due to ideological reasons, like some on this site.
Nice try...
Interestingly most of your post has nothing to do with what I said or the article itself, you're just trying to blacken the US as much as possible, good try
"independent nation are able to run it how they see fit" is the same logic the communist party used to fend off human right criticisms. By this logic, it is ok for Nazi to use concentration camps or for Japanese to murder entire cities, I sure hope this is not what you meant.
Because they have nuclear capability that can reach the US, is taking a lot of jobs from the US workers and held tons of US debt, they are also polluting the air and water like crazy, all of these can affect you. Also we're not talking about any NSA claims here, we're talking about Snowden's claim and what this particular claim says about him.
As for your question, does it even need an answer? In WWII, Japan bombed US, which is bad not only for US but for the free world; then the US bombed Japan which is very good not only for the US but also for all the people suffering under Japanese occupation. So yeah, an action can be good or bad depending on the circumstances.
since it doesn't help his case against PRISM, it hurts US interests and has no benefit for the US people, so the only conclusion I can draw is he is working for the Chinese side.
Just another proof that Chinese propaganda officers is rampant on this site.
a free country, typical Chinese propaganda trick. The very fact that this software is: a) revealed by a US Senate committee; b) its existence published by a news paper; c) its developer and customers answered questions and criticism proves US is much better than your communist dictatorship. Just because you control all your newspapers doesn't mean we couldn't find your dirty secrets, there's plenty of Weibo gets out before being deleted by censors, you can't fool your people forever.
I'm not saying exposing PRISM makes Snowden a Chinese spy, I'm saying exposing the US hacking of Chinese university makes him a Chinese spy. If you have argument for or against PRISM you can argument with someone else, I'm not talking about PRISM here.
Morals and ethics are no exception. Also note I'm not defending NSA's PRISM program, I'm questioning Snowden's motive of revealing US hacking Chinese university, these two are totally unrelated.
expression? Wait...
Do you even see how ridiculous your argument is? Just because you have something against NSA and US government doesn't give you the right to trivialize the pain Chinese people suffered under the communist dictatorship.
EU? But we're not talking about US hacking EU here, we're talking about US hacking China, and why Mr. Snowden reveals this. Anyway I'm not trying to justify PRISM, it is you who is trying to justify Mr. Snowden's actions.
You do realize that the government pressured lawyers not to file for compensation for the victims of the milk scandal? That's the justice you want?
You do know Chinese parents now buy foreign milk for their babies, even 5 years after the scandal? Milk import is so high the Chinese custom has special rules for them. Looks like the government of your Megacorporate States of America and industrialist overlords did a much better job than the murderous Chinese government and its corporations (You do know the government owns the corporation producing the melamine milk, right?)
Go F*ck yourself, there will be a day when Chinese people will hung you outside Tiananman square.
It competes by illegally copying other's designs, and keep the wages of their worker really low, the only thing growing in China is their military and pockets of top party leaders.
They killed millions of their own people and get away with it, comparing to them NSA is just child's play. So NSA lied to congress, at least the US has a congress which can catch NSA lying, there's an oath which NSA is supposed to be following. There's no such thing in China, the party determines everything, and if you don't agree with the party, it's the labor camps for you.
Of course NSA hacking the Chinese is a patriotic gesture, Chinese government is evil, it's as simple as that.
1. People like you thought airplane or moon landing are unrealistic and unfeasible, but they're wrong
2. Just because there's no technology to do it now, doesn't mean there won't be technology to do it in the foreseeable future. This is what PR is doing, developing the technology.
3. And who says the developed technology won't be used on earth too, it can benefit both earth based mining and asteroid mining. The material from asteroid is not meant for Earth anyway.
4. The extraordinary claim is not we'll be mining asteroid, it's the claim that "It's over, and we're going nowhere"
5. Space may be dead for you, but the kickstarter campaign proves it lives on in many people's hearts, so go ahead and drown in self-pity, we got asteroids to mine.