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Spammer Ducks For Cover
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Damn made a mistake....
Oppose Opt-in should be...
Oppose Opt-out.
Sorry folks... Checked it several times too...
Proposed legislation in the United States makes it your responsibility to Opt-out of a mailing list as opposed to the legislation due to be inacted in the European Union in October.
Oppose all government legislation involving the internet!
It all goes against the self governance/regulation principle.
I am saddened and upset by most of the comments I have read here. I could not read it all...
I will try not to be nastey however as one closer to the action than most of you I find most of this drival offensive.
I have received his spam. I will say no more on this. I did start writting a whole lot but I don't need to justify anything or say anything that could make life more difficult for me.
Mr Aitkinson is most likely out of business. Not for spamming but because he has been accused of breaking three New Zealand laws.
Mr Atkinson has been exposed because of actions taken against his operation. He has been at it a year. He only recently exposed his true identity in whois information. Mistake or not it happened on the 15th of July 2003.
Thanks to the NZ Herald reporter for finding the info. Me thinks a lucky hit... Hidden away in a news group it was yes.
Mr Atkinson and his group have recently lost a large group of domain names. Something that has not happened to a spam operation before on this scale I think. Maybe I am wrong.
Its a tricky little jigsaw puzzle.
OK so we have got this far...
What you should be doing?
Be carefull my friend!
If you are going to get involved get advice before doing so. Read the horror stories first. Unwitting newbies often do not realize the consequences of submitting spam source etc. And even people in an antipodian paradise are not immune/safe.
Get involved on a different level.
If you are a US citizen oppose Opt-in legislation!
This will make it impossible for anyone outside America to stop spam. I can just see it now.
But we are allowed...
If you live in the normal world (Joke) get involved at your internet society level.
ICANN is meant to be the parent body on the Internet. They regulate and monitor registrars who in turn are meant to regulate and monitor ip address range holders who in turn pass this on to there clients.
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!
The Intenet is not self regulating and is being and has been regulated against by governments.
Preasure the powers to be in your country to reach formal agreements with ICANN. Thats your registry that registers your domain name. Your provider whatever services you use. Make sure those agreements contain anti spam clauses.
Given current technology spammers are not annonymous. ICANN was provided information that could have led to the tracing of this offender in late 2002.
Finally a word for Mr Atkinson...
I do not envy his position at all however I also would not like to see him physically harmed or harrased now that he has been uncovered.
The issue is his ability to hide in the first place.
He will now be dealt with by the authorities, investigated and prosecuted if warranted.
Civil procedings against him are unlikely in this country.
Keep your heads up... This is a win and a good win however the people associated with Mr Atkinson have come away from this relatively unscathed and the spam associated with the mother group still flows. They are still sending out large numbers each day as claimed. They are still sheltering within providers in countries like China and Brazil.
Do you favour a regulatory solution to rogue
isp's who support spammers.
I beleive that regulation of the providers
is the only viable solution to spam.
Something similar to the Usenet Death Sentence
strategy could work.
However I do realise that there is a significant barrier to this. No controlling body.
I recently pestered Vinton Cerf, Chairman of ICANN
regarding the recent spate of spam mail originating from China advertising sites on the Chineese network.
His response follows...
You need to look more carefully at ICANN's scope
of responsibility and mandate before you conclude
that it has jurisdiction over spam. None of ICANN's mandate covers email. Only domain names and IP address space, and protocol paramater assignment.
It does not have statutory authority - and can only either use contract law to enforce its agreements or moral suasion. I would
also note that ccTLDs are largely resisting forming any contractual relations with ICANN including your own ccTLD. In fact I am sorry
to report that NZ has been among the major critics of any agreements with ICANN.
I conclude from this statement that we do not have
a controlling body at all... Just an automatron that consumes money.
Perhaps I am in lala land with my cut and thrust,
maybe I am not... If ICANN is not going to take
the responsibility of ensuring that the Internet becomes usable again for email then who is.
Spam has now effected my ability to use the internet. My hosting service is resisting allowing me to run mail servers on the machines I administer instead asking that I use there mail servers.
This effects my ability to provide services to my clients such as tls esmtp connections from company Intranets on dynamic IP's to my mail server. My hosting service does not provide the certificates and tls services on there mail servers therefor I must do it myself.
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Damn made a mistake.... Oppose Opt-in should be... Oppose Opt-out. Sorry folks... Checked it several times too... Proposed legislation in the United States makes it your responsibility to Opt-out of a mailing list as opposed to the legislation due to be inacted in the European Union in October. Oppose all government legislation involving the internet! It all goes against the self governance/regulation principle.
I am saddened and upset by most of the comments I have read here. I could not read it all...
I will try not to be nastey however as one closer to the action than most of you I find most of this drival offensive.
I have received his spam. I will say no more on this. I did start writting a whole lot but I don't
need to justify anything or say anything that could make life more difficult for me.
Mr Aitkinson is most likely out of business.
Not for spamming but because he has been accused
of breaking three New Zealand laws.
Mr Atkinson has been exposed because of actions taken against his operation. He has been at it a year. He only recently exposed his true identity in whois information. Mistake or not it happened on the 15th of July 2003.
Thanks to the NZ Herald reporter for finding the info. Me thinks a lucky hit... Hidden away in a
news group it was yes.
Mr Atkinson and his group have recently lost a large group of domain names. Something that has not happened to a spam operation before on this scale I think. Maybe I am wrong.
Its a tricky little jigsaw puzzle.
OK so we have got this far...
What you should be doing?
Be carefull my friend!
If you are going to get involved get advice before doing so. Read the horror stories first. Unwitting newbies often do not realize the consequences of submitting spam source etc. And even people in an antipodian paradise are not immune/safe.
Get involved on a different level.
If you are a US citizen oppose Opt-in legislation!
This will make it impossible for anyone outside America to stop spam. I can just see it now.
But we are allowed...
If you live in the normal world (Joke) get involved at your internet society level.
ICANN is meant to be the parent body on the Internet. They regulate and monitor registrars
who in turn are meant to regulate and monitor
ip address range holders who in turn pass this on to there clients.
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!
The Intenet is not self regulating and is being and has been regulated against by governments.
Preasure the powers to be in your country to reach formal agreements with ICANN. Thats your registry that registers your domain name. Your provider whatever services you use. Make sure those agreements contain anti spam clauses.
Given current technology spammers are not annonymous. ICANN was provided information that could have led to the tracing of this offender in late 2002.
Finally a word for Mr Atkinson...
I do not envy his position at all however I also
would not like to see him physically harmed or harrased now that he has been uncovered.
The issue is his ability to hide in the first place.
He will now be dealt with by the authorities, investigated and prosecuted if warranted.
Civil procedings against him are unlikely in this country.
Keep your heads up... This is a win and a good win however the people associated with Mr Atkinson have come away from this relatively unscathed and the spam associated with the mother group still flows. They are still sending out large numbers each day as claimed. They are still sheltering within providers in countries like China and Brazil.
Do you favour a regulatory solution to rogue isp's who support spammers.
I beleive that regulation of the providers is the only viable solution to spam.
Something similar to the Usenet Death Sentence strategy could work.
However I do realise that there is a significant barrier to this. No controlling body.
I recently pestered Vinton Cerf, Chairman of ICANN regarding the recent spate of spam mail originating from China advertising sites on the Chineese network.
His response follows...
You need to look more carefully at ICANN's scope of responsibility and mandate before you conclude that it has jurisdiction over spam. None of ICANN's mandate covers email. Only domain names and IP address space, and protocol paramater assignment.
It does not have statutory authority - and can only either use contract law to enforce its agreements or moral suasion. I would also note that ccTLDs are largely resisting forming any contractual relations with ICANN including your own ccTLD. In fact I am sorry to report that NZ has been among the major critics of any agreements with ICANN.
I conclude from this statement that we do not have a controlling body at all... Just an automatron that consumes money.
Perhaps I am in lala land with my cut and thrust, maybe I am not... If ICANN is not going to take the responsibility of ensuring that the Internet becomes usable again for email then who is.
Spam has now effected my ability to use the internet. My hosting service is resisting allowing me to run mail servers on the machines I administer instead asking that I use there mail servers.
This effects my ability to provide services to my clients such as tls esmtp connections from company Intranets on dynamic IP's to my mail server. My hosting service does not provide the certificates and tls services on there mail servers therefor I must do it myself.