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Spammer Ducks For Cover
rabidgremlin writes "The New Zealand Herald has an article about a NZ based spammer who has shut up shop after being at the receiving end of an anti-spam campaign. Good riddance I say, but some of his comments ("never intended to break any regulations" and "I'll just stick to search engines and web sites - that's still plenty of fun and money.") had me wondering if he and other spammers are as really naive as the article makes out."
Well, cry me a river. I'm sure that there are 5-year olds out there whose parents were a bit concerned about their kids receiving penis-enlargement emails and links to porn websites. Oh, and "tons of email lists"... I thought everything these fucks did was "opt-in"? Does he mean to insinuate that that's not the case? Bwahaha.
Cry me a river indeed. Maybe this is a good way to kill them off.
1) Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
2) Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
and how does this guy plan on marketing his new websites?
"well, i figure i'll just use my vast email lists and invite everyone to check them out... that can't be illegal, can it?"
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Wow, the guys sends millions of e-mail messages, then he closes up shop after getting 20 unsolicited phone calls.
Guess that's what you call "can dish it out, can't take it"...
"Mr Atkinson said that on a good day he and his associates would send out 100 million messages."
:rolleyes:
"he had received more than 20 phone calls, five of them obscene"
oh for shame. 20 phone calls. some of them obscene! Good golly, why should the poor man have his time wasted in such a way?
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Spammer ducks for cover as details published on web
2003-08-19 - By JUHA SAARINEN
A New Zealander who sent billions of junk emails out every day has shut his business after his personal details were posted on the web.
Shane Atkinson - whose business is known as spamming - said the barrage of abuse made him worry about the safety of his children.
His identity as the man behind millions of spam messages promoting penis enlargement pills was revealed in a Herald article last week. Mr Atkinson said that on a good day he and his associates would send out 100 million messages.
He said that since the article was published, anti-spam activists had been "having a field day". He had received more than 20 phone calls, twenty of them obscene.
His personal information, street address and phone numbers were "plastered all over the web", he had been subscribed to a gay-dating site and his email address had been added to "tons of email lists".
"I have already banned my 5-year-old from answering the phone," he said.
The article also led to rackshack.com, the US web service that hosts Mr Atkinson's servers, being entered in the Spam Early Warning System list, which many networks use for blocking email traffic.
Rackshack gave notice that it would shut down two of Mr Atkinson's servers because of the listing, forcing him to move the servers to a different network.
Mr Atkinson has decided to get out of the spamming business, citing the "negative feedback" and saying that he "never intended to break any regulations". He has asked affiliates to stop doing the work for him.
"I sort of feel good now about stopping this," he said.
"I'll just stick to search engines and web sites - that's still plenty of fun and money."
Internet group InternetNZ has said it will file formal complaints against Mr Atkinson with the Commerce Commission, the Ministry of Health and the Privacy Commissioner.
New Zealand does not have specific anti-spam laws.
this guy peed his pants becasuse he received 20 phone calls, 5 obscene. unless he forgot a couple zeros there, this should encourage everyone to call the phone numbers of spammers they seeposted. to think that 20 lousy phone calls would actually make a difference. hell i get 20 phone calls a week from telemarketers, and this guy is complaining. but nevertheless, kudos to the antispammers out there clearly they are making a difference.
I guess I must be naive too because I didn't know there were any regulations against spam. I guess I should inform the people spamming me that they are breaking the law. Thanks for the tip.
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You realize, Mr. Atkinson, that by backing off now you're encouraging us to continue this kind of behavior on other spammers . . .
;)
In a truely please-don't-blink moment, the man who claimed to send out 100 million messages a day on such wonderful things as penis-enlarging pills complains about receiving 5 obscene phone calls . . . they were probably just disappointed customers.
-- "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars" [Oscar Wilde]
.. he will devote his time to making linkfarms and other bogus websites with zero content? yeah that sounds like a plan to feed your family.
for the one's that don't know, it involves making sites that attract clicks(by looking like there could be for example emulation roms downloadable, or pron from there) from for example google and link to other sites of the same author to get the authors sites up in the search, thus polluting the search service with meaningless s**t making some fields of 'research' quite impossible to search with google without scripts for filtering that kind of stuff out of the results (doesn't need that much of a work with googleapi, and there's just few of these assholes making these sites and they tend to use the same referral id's on their ads on all of their sites making it a bit easier to filter them this filtering on client side needs a lot of bandwith though,and isn't that fast, obviously).
i'm wondering if somebody has made a decent easy to use program/scripts to use BIG blacklists with google (i hacked something together some time ago but it's not exactly easy to use for everyday stuff)?
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
please
Do you spam ?
Have you even considered it as an option ?
If you said no its because you posess ethichs and a conscience. Congratulations and my sympathy you have things the typical spammer does not.
we all know pigs (spam) and ducks are cute, innocent animals.
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There are some companies (and individuals) who send large amounts of e-mail, who are 'spammers' by one definition (as in they send large amounts of commercial mail containing advertisements) but who live by the letter of the law.
Freaks sending incest or rape spam to all the addresses they can find are crossing signficant moral boundaries, but people who've legitimately got access to mailing lists rented out by newsletter companies (to which you signed up, often accepting that you'd receive some ads) don't deserve to be hounded. What they're doing is not illegal, and not morally wrong, since you have accepted to receive this info.
Of course, there are a lot more bad spammers out there, than spammers who have morals, only mail proper lists, and respect remove requests, but that doesn't mean all spammers have to be tarred with the same brush.
The term 'spammer' is as accusatory, and often as false, as 'criminal'. You might think all criminals are bad, but what about the 'criminal' who said something bad about the government and got arrested for it? Likewise, not all 'spammers' are inherently evil scum sending porno ads to your TV-addicted drooling children.
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I want to sell his kids som penis enlargemtn pills.
Spam, telemarketing, whats the difference? Why are you so offended? My 8 year old neice gets those e-mails.
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I don't think, for the most part, that they are naive in the classical sense of the word; I think that they are closer to delusional. They have been given all the information they need, and they have chosen the interpretation which is going to let them do what they want to do.
However, I have seen a couple of occasions where a SPAM has been followed a couple of days later by an apology, where it truly does appear that someone has had a break-through experience and now understands that SPAM is a bad idea, where they truly did not understand that previously.
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It's not hypocrisy. They're doing it to make the guy realize that hey's being an annoying prick. If you're so simple minded that you can't get past "sending a spammer spam to make spam stop" you shouldn't be reading stuff in the first place. Just watch reality TV. This is like posting John Ashcroft's personal info on the internet to make him think twice about TIA/big brother stuff. It's not hypocrisy when you're doing X solely to the guys who do X to make them realize X is wrong. It's not hypocrisy, it's not ironic, and it's not coincidental. It's a valid way of making certain people realize they're acting like asses.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
...if only someone would post Shane Atkinson's Address and Phone Number. I don't think 20 phone calls is enough. I think Shane Atkinson needs to experience the power of "internet karma..."
I'll be watching for any details you might post.
-EtA
What I find most notable is that he can barely suppress the smirk [IMO] when he says he didn't do anything wrong, and also when he said he was going to stop.
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Sadly enough, it does pay....I read an article that said over a 4-week period, 6000 people bought on average two bottles of $50 penis-enhancement 'medicine' that was probably gelatin.
Over a year, that can be pretty lucrative. He shouldn't be able to whine about it when the tables are turned, though.
(*ducks* for cover, get it, oh i murder myself...)
They say the first thing to go is your penis. Well, it's either that or your brain. I forget which...
...this guy must have the biggest penis in the world.
Rule #1: Spammers always lie.
Rule #2: When a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see rule #1.
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This latest report shows a big change of heart from his comments of a few days ago:
See the full story here [stuff.co.nz].
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I therefore think I am.
Post his e-mail address and phone number!
No really, this is for legitemate business. I represent a major supplier of penis enlargment pills, and I just want to offer him my company's services.... ten thousand times per day.
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The guy appeared on TV here and looked like a retard.
He kept saying "ooh I'm doing nothing wrong
I wonder if he could be done for using a telephone in a manner to cause nuisance.
Obviously those penis pills do cause side effects.
I'm not worried about Artificial Intelligence, when they invent Artificial Stupidiy, then I'll be scared.
I used to think that comparing the Internet to the Wild West was just as bad as that "superhighway" metaphor, but lately I've come to realize how appropriate it's come to be.
You've got a legal vacuum for the most part, considering that most law enforcement authorities won't take action until a certain monetary dollar amount of damage has been done (with some notable exceptions such as child pornography). Thus, the medium is dominated by penis-enlarging snake oil salesmen, grizzled dataminers trying to pass off fool's gold as the real thing, men in black hats, men in white hats, Indians with H1B visas (yeah, I know...), and e-mail programs infected with smallpox.
I only beat the Net Rush of '94 by a couple of years, but I've heard some of the oldtimers tell tales of yore, when the whole community would get together to raise a barn or wire a school with CAT-5, or how you could always rely on your neighbor to help mend a fence or patch sendmail.
"Round up a posse, boys. We'll head 'em off at the router..."
Yeah, it's a stretch. I know. But everytime I look in that Deadman's Gulch I call my inbox, my trigger finger starts to itch and I yearn for a nice
k.
"In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart." - Anne Frank
Lets get real about two things. First, it's not illegal to send unsolicited emails. Second, it's not illegal to use passive defensive measures to block said spam.
After that, it's all up to the investigators. Aggressive anti-spam activists should be locked up. They do more harm than good. I worked briefly as a spammer, but then lost my income as a result of an anti-spam hacker with a chip on his shoulder. Lets just say that it's not a pleasant experience. There's no use for vigilantes on the internet.
"If you don't want to receive spam, don't connect to the Internet, or don't have an e-mail address."
Hmmm... I think you're right, he would've seen the light on his own.
How about we modify this quote a bit...
"If you don't want to recieve hourly death threats, don't use a phone"
Hypocrites indeed. They harrassed him with phone calls BECAUSE he was harrassing people with emails. You know, to force it through his thick skull that what he was doing was generally pissing people off?
Didn't you forget about the battle with the two year old over the domain Veronica.org?
Fight Spammers!
This is something I don't understand. I hope someone can explain or point me to an explanation of what I will try to describe. We all know there are very few laws against spam, and jurisdiction problems even if such laws exist.
Explain to me why it's not easy to demonstrate that someone that puts explicit spam in a child's mailbox isn't committing some sort of other crime. I don't mean "get a good mortgage rate," I mean some of the bad porn related stuff we all see, at least periodically.
So, hypothetically, let's say it's against the law in California to send some gang-bang smut ad to young Timmy. What is preventing the district attorneys, Timmy's mom, etc. from getting an injunction against John Doe? From a subpoena being issued?
Forget for now that tracing back the originator is tough. I'm asking, can't they be charged with a crime in, say, California? THEN, if they're discovered, OR if they ever travel to California & get caught (say, for a speeding ticket), they'll be in deep doo-doo.
This costs money, takes time, and doesn't find the spammers, I agree. But it will make a spammer who wants to go to a conference or travel think twice....and maybe open a whole new dot-com business opportunity: bounty hunters for the charged-but-not-yet-caught spammers.
Someone please explain why these people aren't guilty of crimes that are not spam specific, and why they can't be charged in jurisdictions where the spam is received.
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I wonder if he's ever got spam from his own company?
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I find it amazing that people like him seem quite happy to send 100 million emails out, but if the tables are turned they cry in their beer. Seems that everytime one of the spammers is exposed in the press, they are like roaches running for cover.
Maybe it's time to shine the light on the rest of them out there, lets see how many can take what they dish out.
Domain name:
RXMEDICAL.TK
Organisation:
N/A
Shane Atkinson
P.O. 36289 Merivale
8030 Christchurch
New Zealand
Phone: 3-3654487
Fax:
E-mail: webmaster@teenagejuice.com
Domain Nameservers:
NS.A1X.NET
NS.MPGPERFUMES.COM
Domain registered: 07/02/2003
Record will expire on: 07/02/2005
Record maintained by: Dot TK Domain Registry
Good job on publishing this guy's name. Now he tasted his own medicine and closed shop.
This is a great way to get rid of spammers. People should be personally responsible for their own actions.
From my whitepages:
Atkinson Shane
2 O'Neill Ave Harewood Belfast
0-3-323 6484
And that's in Christchurch, New Zealand.
They're a bit behind the times on things like
Road rage
Locking up the house and having a safe room
Gun Injuries and Murders
Driving on the same side of the road as everyone else going in the same direction
Postcodes - there are no postcodes in NZ
And the fact that there is too much spam!
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
This happens a lot, actually; criminals do it all the time...
It's not hypocrisy when you're doing X solely to the guys who do X to make them realize X is wrong.
What if X = sodomy?
Cheers,
Confused.
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Now I'm guessing that he is the Richmond address because that suburb is very close to the Merivale Post Office.
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You can see a map at:
http://www.ccc.govt.nz/maps/Wises/map14/MAP14.a
I worked briefly as a spammer...
Lets just wait and see how many people add you to their "foe" list.
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no matter.
don't come crying to us when there's only won channel/os left (that definitely won't be the fault of robbIE alone).
nothing has changed since the last phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated 'news' brIEf. lots of good folks (see also: innocents) are being killed/mutikated every day) if anything the situations are continuing to deteriorate. you already know that.
you can pretend all you want. our advise is to be as far away from the walking dead contingent as possible, when the big flash occurs. you wouldn't want to get any of that evile on you.
as to the free unlimited energy plan, as the lights come up, more&more folks will stop being misled into sucking up more&more of the infant killing barrolls of crudeness, & learn that it's more than ok to use newclear power generated by natural (hydro, solar, etc...) methods. of course more information about not wasting anything/behaving less frivolously is bound to show up, here&there.
cyphering how many babies it costs for a barroll of crudeness, we've decided to cut back, a lot, on wasteful things like giving monIE to felons, to help them destroy the planet/population.
no matter. the #1 task is planet/population rescue. the lights are coming up. we're in crisis mode. you can help.
the unlimited power (such as has never been seen before) is freely available to all, with the possible exception of the aforementioned walking dead.
consult with/trust in yOUR creator. more breathing. vote with yOUR wallet. seek others of non-aggressive intentions/behaviours. that's the spirit, moving you.
pay no heed/monIE to the greed/fear based walking dead.
each harmed innocent carries with it a bad toll. it will be repaid by you/us. the Godless felons will not be available to make reparations.
pay attention. that's definitely affordable, plus you might develop skills which could prevent you from being misled any further by phonIE ?pr? ?firm? generated misinformation.
good work so far. there's still much to be done. see you there. tell 'em robbIE.
by the same logic
;-)
if u dont want obscene phone calls disconnect your phone or dont have a phone line.
so start calling
Hi Everybody. Shane here. I would like to say that ive closed my spam
opperation, deleted everything and sacked all the affiliates. This is
perminant we will not reopen. Im truely sorry for anyone who got
emailed or offended, but i can assure it was the last.
I hope oneday the hatrid i have created with you guys and girls can
eventually be forgiven. I never ment any harm in what I was doing
If anyone wants to contact me,
email is best - support@sapublishings.com
You obviously have not seen the late night informercials advertising how you can have your very own internet marketing business, where you can make money fast in only a few hours per day.
Yes, you can be a spammer - if you sign up todayu!
Scary, No?
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
Man what dumb ass, watch the video clip and you will understand. http://www.tvone.co.nz/programmes/holmes/ I guess some people never learn.
GPLv2: I want my rights, I want my phone call! DRM: What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
here is the address
Atkinson Shane
2 O'Neill Ave Harewood Belfast
0-3-323 648
Isn't it amazing that people like this seem to equate legality with morality?
There are lots of things which one can do which are legal but immoral, or moral but illegal. "I thought it was legal" is never an acceptable excuse for doing something which you know to be immoral.
Somebody get that guy an ambulance!
Only 20 or so angry phone calls? I've had my personal phone numbers included in "Joe Job" spam (where a spammer deliberately impersonates you in order to cause you grief), and my phone rang off the hook all day with irate callers. Bit of an uneven playing field, wouldn't you say? I've never sent any spam at all, and I've had it far worse.
proof, n. A demonstration that a conclusion is implied by certain premises and axioms.
Looks like he actually lives just outside Christchurch.
This was confirmed by NZ company records.
wondering if he and other spammers are as really naive as the article makes out.
It is quite possible that they are that naive a lot of them may not be on every mailing list on the planet then they get a couple of Spam mails then it seems like a good idea. I doubt that many of them don't realize the scale of the problem. As well many Spammers are the same type of people that read and fall for Spam. So they actually think they can make good money at it and many do. But like with many other things people tend to fail to stop and analysis what they do on a grand scheme of things.
If I had no moral objection to it spamming seems like an interesting area of Work that is really interesting at an intellectual level. Working on methods to optimize bandwidth to maximize the amount of email out. Finding a method of hiding your true identity but allowing people to contact you to purchase. Understanding the limits of computer laws to allow yourself to use other computers without people knowing but still be legal. Finding ways around filters and other things. It would be interesting work in an intellectual level, but so would seeing a child grow up in a completely isolated of any nurture to see what are the true human instinct and what is what we learn. But there are a lot of people who have a hard time understanding more then themselfs and forget to see what they are doing is wrong.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
He would not give details on how profitable his business was, but said it allowed him to keep a nice car and own a house.
So US$3.65 pa...just say that...I make 4 bucks U.S. a year...we gotta stop this guy, if he double his annual income, he'll be able to buy the north island...then he can do whatever he wants!
".. NZ based spammer who has shut up shop..."
thats just what he wants us think. He is probably just buying time to find out how his details were traced and how to restart operations again...only this time making sure his privacy remains protected.....
'The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist,' -the Usual Suspects
... if he got caught/found out, then he probably is just naive. Any who knew what they were doing wouldn't get caught.
1 or 2 spams a day?
where do you get that number from?
if you have an email address long enough you get 5-6 every 15 minutes
Yeah. He still doesn't think he did anything wrong! Also, he says he was getting 10 - 20 US$60 orders per day. That's US$600 - US$1200 a day! No wonder he wasn't sorry.
http://www.whitepages.co.nz/quick/search?page=sear ch&key=Atkinson+shane&lkey=canterbury
And if one person called up their toll-free number and left them a phone number they didn't want to talk to, like their ISP's phone number, or Interpol's, or the FBI's anonymous tip line, or their local police office, or their country's government's people-selling-bad-medicine bureaucracy's complaint line, or other spammers' toll-free numbers, or other spammers' ISP contact numbers, they might also start to think they were getting slashdotted.
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If he's sincere, I'll bet it was the implied threat against his family that got to him... probably sent his little conscience a-flutter.
I dearly hope no well-meaning geek actually threatened this guy's family; that's really way over the line, folks. The probability is that the avalanche of malice he received made him wonder what someone possessed of such hatred might do... what lengths they would go to...
Good riddance... I hope he's a better man because of it (though I won't hold my breath).
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
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I would not like to think that I could possibly be persecuting an innocent party.
Even in the case where it is in fact the spammer in question there tend to be stronger laws, in most countries, for phone/personal/snail-mail harassment.
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I'm not in the right place organizationally for spammers to sell me service (though I've had to help some of our sales people explain our anti-spam policy to people who wanted to buy our ISP services in simple one- or two-syllable words so they could get the concept...)
But I have had telemarketers leave me a voice-mail about getting lawn service - and they were clearly calling numbers in sequential order, at my office, in the middle of a concrete block of downtown, in a city where several thousand phone numbers in a row belong to offices that aren't anywhere near any grass. I probably should have asked them to drive by for an estimate, but this was before the spammer epidemic really took off and I wasn't as mean.
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Just to think that he thought it was ok, and that people had the option to unsubscribe! Sheyeah!
I tried to get postcodes for Wellington, and for Paekakariki (skuse spellin), and the people that lived there didn't know what they were.
But I confess that was 1998.
Having read the stuff.co.nz article about this particular guy, seems like he knew exactly what he was doing and how popular it was.
Somebody has posted an address for Shane, in Christchurch. I hope it's the same person. Otherwise it would be like being "Dave Nelson" in a USA airport.
Are the private school kids still wearing straw boaters and striped blazers in Christchurch?
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
I finally managed to install TMDA. The installation is not for the faint of heart, but the end result: Usable email again -- after all these years.
After I blacklisted mail9.com (they confirmed every spam assigned to them), I have received zero spam. TMDA filters out a hundred messages per day.
Well, if they like sodomy, chances are they won't mind being sodomized. This "do unto them what they do unto you" method only works for things that are antisocial and extremely irritating (spam, posting personal info in public, etc.) The theory is once they realize how annoying it is, they'll stop doing it. Now, if someone is anally raping others, I would be all for that person being anally raped. Once they get their asshole forcefully torn open against their will, they will stop doing the same thing to others. Kinda neat how that works out. I think it's all about inner karma.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
It's been 20 days since I've received a penile enlargement ad, though I've received nearly 700 spams on different subjects over that period.
Could it be that one guy was responsible for most of those ads?
Ack! I almost clicked submit having left the word "ad" out of the first paragraph. Glad I caught it.
Every room in my house is safe, I have the right to bear arms, and I do! I don't even lock the doors at night, sleep with my windows open in summer. WTF is the world coming to? Thank God I'm an American Country boy!
They were probably just disappointed customers.
..."
No. They were very satisfied customers, spontaneously calling up to praise Shane for their newly enlarged penises!
"Well now that it's 12 inches long, whatever shall I do with it? Why don't I come over to your house and thank you personally
because that's where [insert name of famous rugby union player here] comes from.
At least that's what the post office guy told me, when I asked him for the post code.
I did put "North Island", or "South Island" on to the envelopes just to be sure. But after travelling round, I discovered that NZ is not like the "West Island" (Oz), in that they don't have five suburbs or towns called "Beaconsfield" located an average of 1500km apart. And if they must name things after places in the "Old Country" (UK), they'd match particular UK regions to particular NZ regions so the names didn't repeat. There aren't even NZ States or Provinces. Cool. Although there are regional divisions for Rugby teams mostly. Go Otago!
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
You cry when someone sends you 1 or 2 spams a day, but then you go ahead and cheer on the people who do stuff like this? That's fucking unbelievable. Have you no sense? It's hypocrisy like this that's going to keep spam a problem forever.
Any responce via phone to spam is a *solisited* responce. "Stop sending me spam" would be a very approperate responce to such a foofoo head.
Because the system is automated, the guy is going to get several million responces to the spam he sent. If you run a business based on this model, you are required in most countries to be taken off their mailing list if you ask.
So, I don't see it as being hyprocritical at all. The guy runs a business of contacting people. If people don't want to be contacted, they have every right to ask him to stop.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
...rackshack.com was hosting someone who was sending out 100 million emails per day?
Either they didn't know (might wanna try selling them the Brooklyn Bridge if this is the case) or they did know.
Is rackshack.com sales policy to sell services to a 100 million per day spammer, until the spammer gets caught, in which case the spammer has to relocate?
Is rackshack.com not monitoring its traffic?
100 million emails per day not coming to rackshack.com's attention? Or did it?
Can anyone explain how to ascertain what ip address blocks belong to rackshack.com so that I can block them and any future spammer hosts? I know you can do this through spews, but I'd like to be able to keep rackshack.com blacklisted on my own server after they succeed in being removed from Spews, and I haven't proceeded to the point of using spam blocking services yet.
Can anyone describe a gnu tool, or other app, (like "dig" for finding out ip address info) or some other procedure, for finding out ip addresses of other spam hosts? Not specific hosts, just the generic procedures.
Also, can anyone describe how to find out ip addresses of specific countries to block? I'm not expecting any emails from any of the former soviet countries, asian countries, nigeria, and dozens to maybe hundreds more. I won't be missing anything by blocking them.
Thanks. This will probably cut down on a lot of the junk my family is getting.
Seriously, I have an idea. Maybe a social fix is the best solution for this problem. Please take this for the honest proposal that it is.
Anyone in a responsible position at, say, a bank, drugstore, or any business that would be attractive to an "email marketer" as a client, could help put LOTS of spammers out of business.
Just arrange a meeting to talk about the advertising services they could provide for you. Thank them, take their contact information, and post it to a relevant newsgroup.
This would not be immoral or even rude. You'd publish only the public information on their business cards -- nothing confidential.
Let the mobbed masses do to lots more of them what they did to the spammer that's the subject of the article.
Part of the Second American Revolution!
I saw the interview last night and the article in the paper this morning. I think a lot of people missed the _tone_ that he was using. The interviewer also missed the obvious question - just how fucking big was the spammers penis?
Basically the guy was smirking, and showing the product on camera (bottle of pills). He got at least 5 minutes of prime-time TV coverage plus major coverage in all the major daily papers (hey not much happening in NZ now the sheep population is down and the rugby is going well ).
I think he just brought himself a whole lot of lovely free advertising in which to continue his bloody operations. I think he has no intent to stop - the 'story' was just more bullshit.
Meanwhile the enquiry in the UK is finding that the Iraq war was vaporware. How is the enquiry going in the US now that WMD's (or anything else) still have not turned up...
I am saddened and upset by most of the comments I have read here. I could not read it all...
I will try not to be nastey however as one closer to the action than most of you I find most of this drival offensive.
I have received his spam. I will say no more on this. I did start writting a whole lot but I don't
need to justify anything or say anything that could make life more difficult for me.
Mr Aitkinson is most likely out of business.
Not for spamming but because he has been accused
of breaking three New Zealand laws.
Mr Atkinson has been exposed because of actions taken against his operation. He has been at it a year. He only recently exposed his true identity in whois information. Mistake or not it happened on the 15th of July 2003.
Thanks to the NZ Herald reporter for finding the info. Me thinks a lucky hit... Hidden away in a
news group it was yes.
Mr Atkinson and his group have recently lost a large group of domain names. Something that has not happened to a spam operation before on this scale I think. Maybe I am wrong.
Its a tricky little jigsaw puzzle.
OK so we have got this far...
What you should be doing?
Be carefull my friend!
If you are going to get involved get advice before doing so. Read the horror stories first. Unwitting newbies often do not realize the consequences of submitting spam source etc. And even people in an antipodian paradise are not immune/safe.
Get involved on a different level.
If you are a US citizen oppose Opt-in legislation!
This will make it impossible for anyone outside America to stop spam. I can just see it now.
But we are allowed...
If you live in the normal world (Joke) get involved at your internet society level.
ICANN is meant to be the parent body on the Internet. They regulate and monitor registrars
who in turn are meant to regulate and monitor
ip address range holders who in turn pass this on to there clients.
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!
The Intenet is not self regulating and is being and has been regulated against by governments.
Preasure the powers to be in your country to reach formal agreements with ICANN. Thats your registry that registers your domain name. Your provider whatever services you use. Make sure those agreements contain anti spam clauses.
Given current technology spammers are not annonymous. ICANN was provided information that could have led to the tracing of this offender in late 2002.
Finally a word for Mr Atkinson...
I do not envy his position at all however I also
would not like to see him physically harmed or harrased now that he has been uncovered.
The issue is his ability to hide in the first place.
He will now be dealt with by the authorities, investigated and prosecuted if warranted.
Civil procedings against him are unlikely in this country.
Keep your heads up... This is a win and a good win however the people associated with Mr Atkinson have come away from this relatively unscathed and the spam associated with the mother group still flows. They are still sending out large numbers each day as claimed. They are still sheltering within providers in countries like China and Brazil.
You can set up a phone number to reject any incoming collect calls. It would take about 10 calls and he'd probably just stick it on auto-reject
Christchurch is a small town and I will run into the jerk at some time in the future and he owes me for every mesage my spam filters had to nuke. He better name every one of his "associates" and do it soon.
Also I'll put up NZ$500 for the 1st person that can provide information to the proper authorites that leads to his arrest and jail time for this jerk. He broke NZ law by selling unlicensed drugs. If you want to claim it, get in touch with me. Any chance we can get this guy extradited someplace where he won't get a slap on the wrist? Maybe the US where peddling adult products to minors as well as selling illegal drugs will show the world that spaming is a bad idea.
Damn made a mistake.... Oppose Opt-in should be... Oppose Opt-out. Sorry folks... Checked it several times too... Proposed legislation in the United States makes it your responsibility to Opt-out of a mailing list as opposed to the legislation due to be inacted in the European Union in October. Oppose all government legislation involving the internet! It all goes against the self governance/regulation principle.
It's easy to say in the public that I've stoppped spamming, most likely he already has a new server in a different network sending SPAM already ;)
Uppage there are a few of the expected calls for government regulation of email that we see every time there is a story about spam, and there are the obligitory anecdotes about the hundreds of spam emails that some poor souls find every day in thier inbox.
.procmailrc in thier shell account (if they provide thier subscribers with a shell acc
So here is my usual post about how asking the government to regulate everything is a bad idea, and how I have little sympathy for the poor saps who are getting flooded with thousands of spam emails a day that makes it difficult for them to see the one or two legitimate emails that thier friends might send them each year.
First law. Bad idea because it won't work. As long as there are different countries with seperate governments that have differing attitudes towards the internet, commerce, and law it will be impossible to legislate spam out of existance. That is not to say that I am supporting the idea of one government rulling all peoples or that I am advocating any sort if international treaty on regulating email and the internet.
Far from it.
What I am saying is there are good methods of reducing the flow of spam to your in-box to a trickle, possibly blocking the spam flow completely.
Use a provider that is as concerned about stopping the spam as you are. That means no AOL, no MSN, no Hotmail, etc. These companies are notorious for not only allowing you to get spam flooded, but for allowing thier customers to send spam and not discontiuing accounts that are being used as fake "reply to" and "from" addresses. There are other companies that are just as irresponsible as the ones I mentioned, so you should not think that I am saying that these companies are the only ones that should be avoided.
If you like using the same email and access provider (I've been hijacking friends access accounts for years now), then you should know that smaller access providers often are more responsive to user's (knowlegable and legitimate) complaints than large companies. As an added bonus, thier access rates tend to be low, and they are as if not more reliable than thier corporate competitors.
If you like using a separate provider for email, ask around, do some searches, and choose one that has effective filtering/blocking of spam included in thier basic package.
You can filter the mail yourself with one of the many spam blocking services or filters that are readily available on the internet. Here are some links to some of the blacklists and filters that I know about:
ORDB
MAPS
junkfilter
Bogofilter
SpamCop
SpamBouncer
There are others, some services are free, some charge money. If you are going to use a filter on your own machine that is not part of a service, I highly reccomend that you stick with Free Software so you can learn something about how it works.
You should learn as much about the problem and potential solutions as possible by reading articles about spam that may be not quite as sensational as the currently popular "spammer hunting" genre, but are a little richer in detail and technique. Here is a good primer including some good links, and there's lots of good info on dealing with spam around the web.
You should attempt to encourage your provider to take an active role in helping users avoid spam troubles, either by providing information on how users can filter spam on thier own machines, by providing spam blocking/filtering service, or by allowing users to install thier own
Read, L
Let's see: Hitler Junior is dead. Hitler IIIrd is dead. Hitler Grand Jr. is dead...
Hitler himself is in hiding...
And from what I've seen, he's hiding either as Elvis, or the Queen of England.
So let's recap: You take the word of anonymous cowards that someone is a spammer. Yet all the videos of torture, murder, suffering, chemical weapon attacks on kurds, support for terrorists (which terrorist was it that Hitler's news agency announced had "blown his own brains out" while in Hitler's "custody"?) All this is not enough for you to accept the fact that Hitler and his progeny had to be eliminated, right?
Will you be waiting for mushroom cloud proof before you accept the fact that NKorea and Iran will have to be invaded as well?
And while we are on the subject, why do you think we still have 150,000 or more troops on Iran's doorstep? Any guess why they haven't left yet?
If you believe the Iraq war was fast, wait till you see how fast NKorea falls. Everything within 50+ miles of the 38th parallel will be obliterated on the first day in order to save South Korea.
Now go back to your blood sport/anti-globalization protesting. With any luck, we'll have you as a guest on guantanamo bay very shortly.
Smile as you go under...
You can buy all the illegal drugs you want, and they can sell all the illegal drugs you want.
They just cannot *deliver* them, or have them delivered, and you cannot take posession.
It's kindof like the gold mines: you don't buy gold; you delay your taxes by buying stock in gold mines. They dig it out, they refine it; they never actually sell it. You take the tax writeoff (loss), and the ownership of the gold, both.
Cocaine has lots of legitimate uses (umm, do they use it in making Novacaine? If not, it still is legally used to weight down the DOJ buildings in Miami, and keep them from blowing away in Tornados) if I could only think of one.
Okay... I'm done with my daily Schozophrenic Thought For the Day.
Correct Horse Battery Staple: 72 bits of entropy. Enter "Correct H" into google. When it generates the phrase, that's
I did that once, but fucked up and didn't block my number... now I'm getting death threats... just for calling a spammer and asking them not so send me anymore.
Now, they are calling me up at 4 am almost nightly....
Good thing my phone has an OFF switch... (grin)
Stay off the drugs, son.
No doubt that letter from SCO scared him into closing up shop. If I recall correctly, SCO has specific IP rights to all annoying matter that exists electronically. Shame on you, Shane.
Or at least determining which Rugby team you should play in or support depending on where you live, right? I did mention Otago - for Rugby. The whole time I was there, I didn't hear the "provinces" referred to for any other reason. And I did ask. I think I even had a discussion with a regular inhabitant of the Beehive about it.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
[were != where - I thought that subject line looked funny] You're right: Christian Cullen. I vaguely remember a small speedy guy who travelled up the wing like a bullet. Trust NZ to have a harness racing horse named for him. Also travels fast. Why do so many Kiwis post as AC when you could post as a Kauri? or a Matai?
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
"He said that since the article was published, anti-spam activists had been "having a field day". He had received more than 20 phone calls, five of them obscene."
Obscene ones? Must be "thank-you" kisses from his penis enlargement customers.
His personal information, street address and phone numbers were "plastered all over the web". The article also led to rackshack.com, the US web service that hosts Mr Atkinson's servers, being entered in the Spam Early Warning System list, which many networks use for blocking email traffic.
I mentioned this before. Just remember folks.. SPEWS has your name, number, address, change-of-address, time when you eat, when you sleep, and when you realize your Preparation H is not working.
"Rackshack gave notice that it would shut down two of Mr Atkinson's servers because of the listing, forcing him to move the servers to a different network."
So Rackshack.. exactly how many thousands of abuse reports did you receive and ignore before SPEWS tossed you into the dungeon? I think you love your pink contracts a bit too much.
saying that he "never intended to break any regulations".
Rule #1. Rule #2.
"I sort of feel good now about stopping this," he said.
Rule #1. Rule #2.
"I'll just stick to search engines and web sites - that's still plenty of fun and money."
Rule #1. Rule #2. Rule #3. Russell's Corollary.
Please use your favorite search engine to review the "Rules of Spam" or go here.
!@#$% whole-grain cereal. When I want fiber, I eat some wicker furniture. - G. Carlin
But Daddy you told me you provided a very much needed service to the world, why would you be ashamed to let me here about exactly what it is?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
I never though spammers were real people, I thought they were just people who lived in a cave or similar dark dreary place, with alot of computer screns for light and only coming outside at night, like me.
If you receive mail from someone that notifies about similar interests due to a newsletter you previously signed up for...
It's *NOT SPAM*.
It's not useless, unwanted, unrequested Spam. Okay, you didn't specifically ask for it, but they're acting in fairly good faith - unlike the 'scum of the earth' Spammers.
I think it's very fair to treat all 'spammers' as criminals, provided that what they're sending qualifies as Spam and not acceptable information you might be interested in, or might have given consent for.
I still wonder though ... Who eats SPAM?
I mean, receiving a message from a total unknown, with a scrambled email address, and selling some dream get-rich scheme or fulfilment to life - do people fall for it? Surely life has taught them more.
As for a solution, I read somewhere that SPAM could possibly account for one half of all internet traffic. If this figure is anywhere near accurate, then charging for data flow is one answer.
It has long been my opinion that anyone who is doing wrong is in some ways nieve. It is my opinion that the statement "ignorence is bliss" is the most evil 3 words ever spoken.
As a security guard by night and a flea marketter by day I've heard some of the most unbeleavable nonsense however most of the time the would be theaf actually believes it was ok.
This extends to spam. Spammers actually believe what they are doing is a valuable service. They think they are protecting themselfs from a rare few people who don't understand how business actually works.
Where would they get such an idea?
Maybe becouse such people do exist and actually harrass businesses with some really stupid ideas of how things "should" be.
Example: A business is closed and the boss is trying to leave. A costummer lays is wait for the gates to open. He blazes in nearly running me (the guard) over just so he can get inside.
Once there the boss tells him to leave and he breaks out screaming and yelling about how things should be. "People should be nicer".
Then in industrys there are "rules" everyone folows but nobody knows why or even where the rules came from.
Example: Closed source software drivers and no tech specs. The fear is that someone could use that to create a cheap knock off.
Sounds like the the kind of thing Microsoft says about open source.
"Keep your source code secret and nobody can figure out how your hardware/software works"
Decompilers, Chip specs, port scans, packet sniffing, lab testing, Random throw, bad luck, software being obveous and creative thinking. Need I say more?
In short we think they are just being greedy but it's more than that they actually don't know better and never actually bothered to learn net culture.
They learn the technology and figure thats all there is to the Internet.
I don't actually exist.
"It's not hypocrisy when you're doing X solely to the guys who do X to make them realize X is wrong." ---- It's not hypocrisy when you're [killing people] to the guys who [kill people] to make them realize [killing people] is wrong?
The comment "never intended to break any regulation" is a sly jab at his persecutors. He's trying to insinuate that because he hasn't broken any laws, he doesn't deserve this treatment, and it's his enemies who are being unreasonable.
Whether he really believes this or not, we can only speculate.
I find this the most hopeful spam story I've seen in years. The fact that it's possible, even without laws, to actually hound a spammer out of business - is inspiring. Maximum kudos to our Kiwi brethren, or whoever else was responsible.
I worked briefly as a spammer,
...but then lost my income as a result of an anti-spam hacker with a chip on his shoulder.
Then you are a social parasite. People like you should be subjected to public harassment, the more painful the better.
I vote that the coliseum concept should be reinstated into the justice system - Tonight's main attraction... Spammers vs Lions!
First, it's not illegal to send unsolicited emails. Second, it's not illegal to use passive defensive measures to block said spam.
But why should we have to? Lots of things aren't illegal, but they piss people off.
I can hear the violins... It's such a sad story - the guy who pissed everybody off lost his irritating source of income... If I had my way you'd lose more than that. I'd ban all spammers from using the internet at all, and enforce it by removing all their fingers with a blunt axe. I hope you and all your amoral spamming kind rot in hell.
There's no use for vigilantes on the internet.
But there is assumedly a use for spammers?
You are a git.
my sig could kick your sig's arse...
Seriously though, most countries insist that you have a driving license and if you are caught driving without a license you usually feel the full weight of the law. If we drive in an irresponsible manner we have our licenses taken away and for good reason. What we need is some kind of electronic licensing system on the internet, to ensure a culture of mutual respect.
The anger of millions on the 'net needs to be focused on a cure for the obvious evil that is spam. This anger needs to be focused in the schools, in governments, in public consciousness. Spam is part of the nightmare that Huxley and Orwell glimpsed fifty odd years ago. It is a nightmare because it is indicative of a shallow and venal lack of respect for other people by some people. The perpetrators of this anti-social behaviour should be tracked down and punished in just the same way as any other anti-social behaviour is punished
In a way emails are the most poignant part of the internet, human beings have exchanged letters for thousands of years. OK websites are fun, blogs are fun but neither are as personal - and in a sense - as intimate as an email. As big brother gets tooled up with ever more clever technology to invade our space, the privacy of that space becomes more important. This is a matter of rights, not technology.
For everybody to start phoning spammers up would be a distributed denial of service attack, and would therefore be illegal would it not?
I know I got threatened big time by my ISP when I started posting spammer's phone numbers out.
My name is Vlad Tepes, and you sent me some herbal Viagra spam. I've got a sharpened stake with your name on it, and I've chartered a non-stop flight from Transylvania. Commend your soul to your god.
If *that* shit doesn't warp their fragile little minds, nothing will.
The penis-enlarging pills were SPAM? You mean they don't work. I guess I should stop taking .... I mean ...um ...I've uh never taken penis-enlarging pills.....
Green Monkey san
While some can read an email header and track down the spammer, most can't. If more education was given on how to track down spammers, more of us angry people would take this matter into our own hands. Teach the people and let the mobs regulate. It seems to work.
Spammers aren't all evil malicious people, some of them just have no idea what they're doing. Like a guy I know, who is not the most net savvy person in the world, but can get around, was working on some kind of upstart e-business, so he figured he'd get this traffic building software, which basically was just a spamming utility, that would send a promotional email to thousands of email addresses which were stored on a couple CDs.
The manual claimed that all of the people had signed up as being interested in recieving information about business oppurtunites, but I doubt that even 5% had any desire at all to hear about "business oppurtunities." My friend didn't have any idea that what he was doing was "spam" ("I'm not selling any of that canned ham stuff."), and that he was becoming the bane of the internet, he just thought it was a legitamit way to advertise.
I'm not saying that all spammers are like that, I know that some of them are pure evil, but some people just don't understand...
(putting on flame-retardent suit)
What i found most interesting was:
"Mr Atkinson has decided to get out of the spamming business, citing the "negative feedback"".
It's SPAM!!! When has there been positive feedback?! Has he ever stepped outside and asked someone what they thought about spam? Give me a break. The only thing missing was a "I didn't know people didn't like it" comment. Finaly a way to fight spam has been found!
...had me wondering if he and other spammers are as really naive as the article makes out.
No fscking way. I'll believe they weren't aware of anything as they forged headers and return addresses while looking for open relays, changing ISPs every 10 minutes, and paying ISPs 3x the going rate to look the other way for 24 hours as soon as someone believes that I didn't really mean to rob a bank, I just found a gun, happened to wave it around, didn't notice the teller giving me $600k in cash, and didn't realize that I was driving that fast and that all those lights and sirens were for me--I just figured they wanted someone else.
Dear Slashdot: next time you want to mess with the site, add a rich-text editor for comments.
So what are YOU doing about the hungry and AIDs cases? Just Boo-hooing, or just trying to shift the blame to people that complain about "executives and companies worth millions of dollars"? Or are you actually pulling money out of your OWN pocket to buy food and drugs for these people? If the Whinners of the world put THEIR money where their mouths are, instead of bitching about other people that are also bitching then a lot of these problems would be lessened if not solved. Of course that assumes that the hungry and sick are a real concern, and not just an excuse to attack people that attack those who have more money.
So what am I doing about the hungry and AIDS cases and etc? Well, admittedly no too damn much. But at least I'm honest about it, and I don't waste a bunch of time attacking people that are attacking other people. Oh wait I just did. Oh well. Nevermind.
Let he who is not guilty cast the first stone.
Furry cows moo and decompress.
Oh come on, do you think he's really going to stop? If tons of people knew who you were and started complaining, don't you think the easiest thing to do is claim that you've stopped so peopel stop harrassing you, but then just find another server somewhere else and keep going?
WTF???
The term 'spammer' is as accusatory, and often as false, as 'criminal'. You might think all criminals are bad, but what about the 'criminal' who said something bad
about the government and got arrested for it? Likewise, not all 'spammers' are inherently evil scum sending porno ads to your TV-addicted drooling children.
Boo frigging hoo! All spammers...and I mean ALL SPAMMERS are lying, gutless criminals. If they're not breaking the law by sending emails, then they're breaking it by circumventing security mechanisms. They're breaking it selling phoney products. They're breaking it by selling credit card numbers to organized criminals. They're breaking it by providing cover to electronic criminals and terrorists. They're breaking it by committing general fraud in their emails. They're breaking it by violating laws that protect children from being the victims of pornography and porn rings.
ALL SPAMMERS ARE CRIMINALS!!! It's just that the specific crimes they've committed aren't always obvious from the emails they send.
You, sir, are obviously a troll who needs a healthy dose of reality and facts. I have it in the form of 23,000 spams I've saved since 1995...and that's a tiny fraction of what I've actually received.
So don't sit there and defend spammers when they threaten my business, my children, my family, my friends, my community and my nation with their nonsense. You sicken me to my very core.
"Killing people" isn't something "to the guys who..." Killing them may work. We do it here in texas all the time.
Stupid people make stupid things profitable.
Nope, not hypocrisy, it's teaching through attrition.
The point here is that if someone is so outrageously stupid that they can't understand [killing people] is wrong, then they fully deserve to experience it firsthand because there's no other way for them to learn.
you are a fucking idiot.
You know, it's really, really disturbing that the experiences of a spamer are almost identical to that of a doctor that performs abortions.
I'm not really sure what that says about spamers, abortions, or society... I can just tell that there is something incredible WRONG about it all. This is definately going to linger in my mind for some time.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
What, you didn't get endless phone calls from telemarketers asking you if you need vinyl windows, home secirty, the newspaper, the voice of god, and a demonstration of a vacume?
Man you got it easy. I'd trade telemarketing for death threats anyway.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
and just to make it exciting some drive wherever the hell they feel like especially on the road between Wellington and Parapara'm'. And yes lots of people were getting killed but not necessarily the ones who deserved it. In just two weeks while I was there, 8 people died. I was very dedicated to the train after the first weekend, even though I knew that had fallen off the side of the mountain one time.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
your friend may have been ignorant. but he is still a spammer. er was a spammer
I think the philosophy of many advertisers seems to be that they have some kind of "right" to bombard the public with ads, regardless of privacy laws and the like. Lawmakers seem to agree. Even worse, I once heard my brother seriously remark "but if there weren't ads all over the place, how would I find out about all the great products out there?!"
There seems to be a (creepy) growing consensus among the brainwashed portion of the general public that businesses have some kind of "right to stay in business", regardless of how crappy their product is, so we just have to put up with advertisers filling our mailboxes with crap, calling our homes, sending us email, etc.
Kind of like the MPAA and RIAA claiming that their declining sales are a result of just about anything but the declining quality of the "art" they sling.
I don't think much will ever be done to correct this problem until we bring it to the table that there's no such thing as a "right to sell complete shit and bother people about it", even in free-market America.
-=[You cannot consistently judge this statement to be true.]=-
Although I have always been disgusted by the spamming practice, I have always maintained that it wasn't right to stoop to their level. Same reason I don't set up attack-back features on firewalls. Public psting of his ID isn't the same as a campeign to flood his email or intigate DoS on his boxes, but it's a subtle temptation.
Oddly, this article might have me switching sides... Given all of the animosity directed towards spammers I find it amazing that the number of phone calls this guy mentioned was *20*. I would have though we'd be seeing 200+. I'm no one to pass judgement, but 20 calls sure seems a small price to pay for his contribution to Internet pollution. And it is implied that he is stopping now, which seems to increase the merit of this response / pay back.
The cynic in me still wonders if he made those claims to the media in order to decrease his harassment levels while he finds a new prvider. Seems like the shady types always have a plan "B" and this kind of thing is like playing whack-a-mole. Does anyne else really buy-in to him ending his games?
Me thinks that your sarcasm detector is broken.
Fight Spammers!
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The phone number is a NZ Vodafone mobile. Don't bother calling it to run his bill up, NZ mobiles don't work that way
There's a ChCh phone number, 03 323 6484 that he mentions on his
mobile phone voice mail message.
http://www.whitepages.co.nz/quick/search?page=s
Atkinson Shane
2 O'Neill Ave Harewood Belfast
0-3-323 6484
http://www.wises.co.nz/map/default.asp?id=67524
rxmedicalgroup.com, directNIC.com.
Registrant:
SA PUBLISHINGS
P.O. Box 36289 Merivale
Christchurch, NZ 8030
NZ
064211252557
Domain Name: RXMEDICALGROUP.COM
Administrative Contact:
Atkinson, Shane support@sapublishings.com
P.O. Box 36289 Merivale
Christchurch, NZ 8030
NZ
064211252557
Technical Contact:
Atkinson, Shane support@sapublishings.com
P.O. Box 36289 Merivale
Christchurch, NZ 8030
NZ
064211252557
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"Teachers leave us kids alone
At which point the bed would contain an entire horse.
No, just the head and ass, no middle. Not all that viable but who cares?
Tech Public Policy stuff
Cleangoogle.com - has to be a goer.
Usually, this is spam they're sending using their real e-mail addresses from their own domain names, often with real addresses in the spam itself, and they are selling real products and services of some sort.
I may have seen as many as a dozen or so since I got onto the Net in late 1991.
In those rare cases, you explain to them politely that they did a bad thing and why it's a bad thing, and they'll apologize and stop.
If they respond with one of the well-known spammer rationalizations, have fun and use your imagination to come up with an appropriate response.
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We can hope at this point that some public spirited citizen will put together a legal defense fund for the person who . . . reasoned with the spammer.
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Anyone know what his email address is? I get several spams a day to an address at my domain that they made up (mortgageshoppers@...). I currently autoforward them to uce@ftc.gov. Autosending a copy to a spammer would be additional satisfaction.
send spammers to jail. they are worse than crackers.
Hi, I'm Clippy. It looks like you're trying to write a letter...
hmm, good point, perhaps I'm wrong... MS has tremendous talents in the area of writing dumb software... they might succeed in out-dumbing us.
Wikipedia lists ANI.
Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks: temporary loans from the Public Domain, not real property ("intellectual" or otherwise)
How did the journalist go about finding out the spammers identity? I would like to know :-)
Wouldn't it be fun to have a web page listing spammers names and phone numbers? My personal spam inflow has gone from 30+ a day to 1-2 since the slashdot article, which is a factor of 15 at least. I suppose, it means that hitting just one more spammer with 20 phone calls would bring that down to 1 spam per week, right? That would almost be acceptable!!