Look around you. Watch television. Read the newspaper.
You aren't entitled to special treatment just because a lot of people dislike you.
What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with whether you or I like someone or not. You seem to be upset that people you don't like are benefiting from social programs. Too bad. I don't like people like you very much but I'm not going deny you the right to live or be a part of society for that reason. You and everyone else has that right no matter what. That is what freedom is all about.
Most social programs are welfare for a select group, not the general population. And I have seen precious little evidence that the general population bennifits from most social programs, here or abroad. There is a fair bit more evidince to the contrary.
Which select group are you speaking of? What evidence do you have to support your position that the general population does not benefit from social programs? Is that even the point of social programs? No, it is not. The point of them are to help people who have been marginalized by society.
refuse to defend the rights to self-defense and religion.
You really know how to put words in people's mouths. I don't think anyone said that.
You oppose "corporate welfare," but support socialism.
If I had to choose between the two, then yes I would support socialism and oppose corporate welfare. Personally I care more about people being able to live than bailing out a company that made poor decisions and deserves to go under, especially when that company has a CEO that decided to lay off thousands of people so he could give himself a raise. Socialism and Liberalism have been given negative connnotations by the right for no reason. I'm more afraid of Facism.
Yeah! Because Everyone knows that the people who are deing detained in guantanamo are all:
- covered by the US constitution as american citizens
The constitution covers all people, not just American Citizens. You should read it sometime. It is a very interesting document.
- Innocent of supporting a brutal government that waged war on the US through a proxy
Oh you must mean those crazy teenagers and website designers. They must be terrible people since we let them go, after serving years in prison while being tortured and denied access to a lawyer.
I've never heard of the US called "The Great Society", but if you think things like education, healthcare, social security, and pensions are the makings of an authoritarian regime, then you really need to reconsider your perspective in a worldwide context.
Take a history lesson. The Great Society is not a reference to America in general but programs that were instituted in the 1960's. It is commonly called the Great Society.
The problem isn't in allowing LEA access to what they want. It's making sure there's a process they have to go through to get them, which prevents them from getting the information when they shouldn't be.
Too bad the government just doesn't follow the rules when they don't want to. Just ask the people who have spent years in military prisons in Guantanamo.
If we are going to pay for them with taxes, then they should not be in the form of additional taxes. Rather, the legislature needs to tighten its purse-strings: cut social programs, reduce administrative salaries, and put the money back into where it needs to go: defense and public works.
I disagree. Social programs have been decimated in the past four years. The Great Society has been destroyed in favor of corporations and the wealthy. Defense spending has been astronomical and does not need to get any bigger. If greater power is given for wiretapping we will be running headlong into a police state. At this point the government already has too much power and needs to cut money out of programs that only serve to arm the government to the teeth, only to attack its own citizens and other nations unilateraly. If we need anything right now it's programs that will get the people of this country back on their feet.
The United States constitution does not require that you get a phone call either. I think it is a part of the Miranda law or at least something similar. So while it is the law, it's not a part of the constitution.
Your point? I was simply giving reasons why something like this was not done earlier in the open source community. I know about blackdown, I use it.
I wish that Java would be GPL'd so free software developers could add the features that they've always wanted and.NET could be done away with. No matter how good it is or isn't I just don't think it's safe for the open source community to be tied to Microsoft. I don't trust them.
So Linux will cost me the price of an Epson printer. Nobody wants to have to go out and buy more shit just to suit an operating system.
Nowadays printers are throwaways anyway. You can get an epson for like 60 bucks. It costs half of that just to buy a new cartridge for most printers.
"Buy a TV"
Got one, why buy another?
That was a joke.
Not hard at all IF ALL DEPENDENCIES ARE MET. Usually they aren't. Then you have to do a LOT of./configure, make, make installs, get-apt, irpmi, etc... to just get one freakin program installed.
Seriously, try another distribution. Obviously you don't have much experience, if any becaues it is urpmi and apt-get. Try APT because it is much better than most of the alternatives. I had similar problems when I began with Linux but that never happens to me anymore.
So, what good is an operating system if it's only good out of the box with no modifications? Might as well be a locked down windows box that disallows any installing. Actually, it would be no better than windows.
Like I said before, try another distro. I got my brother started on Suse but it didn't want to play nice and he was feeling the same way you do but now he uses slackware and is much happier.
As I've said before, it's ok to surf the web with and read email, but it's not good for much else without a bunch of jumping through hoops, etc...
It's actually not too hard to do things like rip and burn dvd's and other more complicated things, it's just different.
It will always be a hobbyist/tinkerer operating system and not much else. It's not ready for the desktop for the average user, and I don't believe it ever will. I use it, and I would drop all my windows partitions if I could do everything under Linux that I can do under Windows. Which, to date, cannot be done. I spent a good six hours today working to get mythtv installed under Mandrake 9.2. Still won't work, I know the dependencies are met, etc... Finally decided that AS A KERNAL Linux is ok, but the apps that are wrapped around it ARE SHIT unless your running a bare server
That's just crap. Linux is ready for many people, but not all. It does EVERYTHING I need it to do. I can actually do more than I was able to do with Windows. The applications are better in my opinion. It's true that Linux doesn't have Adobe and Macromedia applications and stuff like that but not everyone needs that. For everthing else the apps are much better in my opinion and I don't have to look at a flashing billboard like Winodws. No crappy ads on my IM client, or other stupid shareware crap, just a clean, simple interface.
They say Linux is free, and on the desktop you get what you pay for (as they say).
Don't be foolish. Just because you can't install MythTV on Mandrake doesn't mean Linux is crap. If that was the case, then Windows is crap too. I've had plenty of problems trying to install and uninstall software in Windows. If you really get what you pay for then every single person who ever bought Windows got completely screwed.
As for defragging, if I understand correctly, one of the newer file systems (efx3 or ef3 or something like that) does not need to be defragged and that's a "plus".
You don't really need to defrag any commonly used filesystem on Linux as far as I know. I think FAT partitions are really the only filesystems that get that fucked up. Windows literally ate my hd because it was so fragmented and I didn't have enough room left to defrag it. The hd accessing was really loud and it took forever for anything to load. Maybe it was just a faulty drive but I have never seen (heard) anything that bad before or since.
Heck, why is it "catching up" in the first place? Why was the open-source community, so lauded by its advocates for being forward-thinking and quick-paced, not the first entity to pounce on creating something like this?
Why reinvent the wheel? Java has been around for a long time now. I don't think any OSS developer had any inclination to reimplement something that was already working. I do think that that was the reasoning for the OSS community to ask that Java be open sourced though. Java is a perfectly good solution that could have been tailored to suit the needs that.NET is now going to do because Java remains shackled by SUN. I guess if the community had known it was going to turn out like this then something new and different would have been created.
For non-trivial things, though, I have scads of problems just like the grandparent. He's right: the key difference between Windows and Linux is ease of hardware and software installation. Time and again I have problems with dependencies and searching down different versions of this or that library, or circular reference dependency problems such as MySQL needs Perl which needs MySQL-DBI which can't be installed without MySQL. Or trying to get a real video card working, and having XFree ask you 100 questions about your monitor frequencies, only to finally barf to text mode when it's show time.
That's not Linux's fault. It's the shitty distro you are using.
I put together a system without even looking for Linux compatibility and guess what...it works fine. The "Linux has no drivers" age is long gone. Only people who have never used it, or have some obscure piece of hardware ever complain about drivers. It is true that there is hardware out there that does not have drivers but they are few and far between at this point. I even have a scanner that never worked on Windows 2000 but it works under Linux.
That's way too much effort for me. With Linux I don't have to run adaware or defrag or any of that crap. I just install it and then updrage it with one command. I have so much time to spend doing actual work or just fiddling around with the OS because I don't have to fix an OS that came from the factory broken. Uptime is 18 days and that's only because of I upgraded to 2.6.3 18 days ago.
What a dumbass. What if their business is selling 'effective OSs'? This is like saying, Ford is trying to sell cars but they're also trying to make profit. Therefore, Ford's attempt to sell good cars will always take a backseat to maximizing profits. WTF are you smoking? Is it crack? I'll bet it's crack! How is Microsoft expected to turn profit unless their product is worth buying?
You're the dumbass. Their business is not selling effective Operating Systems. Just like Ford is not in the business of making effective cars. It's all about profit. If Ford was in the business of making effective cars they wouldn't be producing at least half of the shitty cars that they make now.
In my experience it's the little things. With XP it seems like I have to click 8 more times than I used to with earlier versions of Windows just to get the same thing done. XP loves to show you all the crap you can do which is fine for joe average but it sucks when you already know how to use a computer. I don't want a whole bunch of worthless options cluttering the interface when I know what I want to do. They make the easy stuff easier to do and the difficult stuff damn near impossible, or at least a major headache.
Then you have to worry about the aging affect. Every Windows version I have ever used (3.1, 3.11, NT4.0, Win95, Win98, WinME, Win2000, WinXP) has gotten more unstable over time. It's a pain in the ass to have to deal with and eventually you just have to reinstall.
I see people coming in to chatrooms on freenode all the time with soundcard problems. It's common knowledge that drivers are a problem with Linux--hardware manufacturers don't always cooperate.
Thank god I never had a problem with a soundcard driver on Linux. I did, however have a soundcard driver on Win2000 that would magically disappear every other day.
This means--gasp--installers that can run from CD and even put their items in the start menu.
No thanks. If I want something in a menu I'll put it there myself. Windows installers have a bad habit of spewing shortcuts all over the place.
End users also like mainstream, high-quality, protected, media content. Until there is a DRM friendly Linux media player, Linux is going nowhere in the home market.
Why is that? I've never had a problem watching movies or listening to music in Linux. Why is DRM even needed?
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Look around you. Watch television. Read the newspaper.
You aren't entitled to special treatment just because a lot of people dislike you.
What the hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with whether you or I like someone or not. You seem to be upset that people you don't like are benefiting from social programs. Too bad. I don't like people like you very much but I'm not going deny you the right to live or be a part of society for that reason. You and everyone else has that right no matter what. That is what freedom is all about.
What's your point? You assumed something and you were wrong. End of story.
Which select group are you speaking of? What evidence do you have to support your position that the general population does not benefit from social programs? Is that even the point of social programs? No, it is not. The point of them are to help people who have been marginalized by society.
You really know how to put words in people's mouths. I don't think anyone said that.
You oppose "corporate welfare," but support socialism.
If I had to choose between the two, then yes I would support socialism and oppose corporate welfare. Personally I care more about people being able to live than bailing out a company that made poor decisions and deserves to go under, especially when that company has a CEO that decided to lay off thousands of people so he could give himself a raise. Socialism and Liberalism have been given negative connnotations by the right for no reason. I'm more afraid of Facism.
- covered by the US constitution as american citizens
The constitution covers all people, not just American Citizens. You should read it sometime. It is a very interesting document.
- Innocent of supporting a brutal government that waged war on the US through a proxy
Oh you must mean those crazy teenagers and website designers. They must be terrible people since we let them go, after serving years in prison while being tortured and denied access to a lawyer.
Take a history lesson. The Great Society is not a reference to America in general but programs that were instituted in the 1960's. It is commonly called the Great Society.
That's not true. You can be handcuffed without being read your Miranda rights. You cannot be interogated without being read your Miranda rights.
Well if it's not that hard to do why don't you develop it for all of us so we can use it if they start spying on all of us.
The government will never allow an encryption scheme that they can't break if they need to.
Too bad the government just doesn't follow the rules when they don't want to. Just ask the people who have spent years in military prisons in Guantanamo.
I disagree. Social programs have been decimated in the past four years. The Great Society has been destroyed in favor of corporations and the wealthy. Defense spending has been astronomical and does not need to get any bigger. If greater power is given for wiretapping we will be running headlong into a police state. At this point the government already has too much power and needs to cut money out of programs that only serve to arm the government to the teeth, only to attack its own citizens and other nations unilateraly. If we need anything right now it's programs that will get the people of this country back on their feet.
The United States constitution does not require that you get a phone call either. I think it is a part of the Miranda law or at least something similar. So while it is the law, it's not a part of the constitution.
I wish that Java would be GPL'd so free software developers could add the features that they've always wanted and .NET could be done away with. No matter how good it is or isn't I just don't think it's safe for the open source community to be tied to Microsoft. I don't trust them.
Nowadays printers are throwaways anyway. You can get an epson for like 60 bucks. It costs half of that just to buy a new cartridge for most printers.
"Buy a TV"
Got one, why buy another?
That was a joke.
Not hard at all IF ALL DEPENDENCIES ARE MET. Usually they aren't. Then you have to do a LOT of ./configure, make, make installs, get-apt, irpmi, etc... to just get one freakin program installed.
Seriously, try another distribution. Obviously you don't have much experience, if any becaues it is urpmi and apt-get. Try APT because it is much better than most of the alternatives. I had similar problems when I began with Linux but that never happens to me anymore.
So, what good is an operating system if it's only good out of the box with no modifications? Might as well be a locked down windows box that disallows any installing. Actually, it would be no better than windows.
Like I said before, try another distro. I got my brother started on Suse but it didn't want to play nice and he was feeling the same way you do but now he uses slackware and is much happier.
As I've said before, it's ok to surf the web with and read email, but it's not good for much else without a bunch of jumping through hoops, etc...
It's actually not too hard to do things like rip and burn dvd's and other more complicated things, it's just different.
It will always be a hobbyist/tinkerer operating system and not much else. It's not ready for the desktop for the average user, and I don't believe it ever will. I use it, and I would drop all my windows partitions if I could do everything under Linux that I can do under Windows. Which, to date, cannot be done. I spent a good six hours today working to get mythtv installed under Mandrake 9.2. Still won't work, I know the dependencies are met, etc... Finally decided that AS A KERNAL Linux is ok, but the apps that are wrapped around it ARE SHIT unless your running a bare server
That's just crap. Linux is ready for many people, but not all. It does EVERYTHING I need it to do. I can actually do more than I was able to do with Windows. The applications are better in my opinion. It's true that Linux doesn't have Adobe and Macromedia applications and stuff like that but not everyone needs that. For everthing else the apps are much better in my opinion and I don't have to look at a flashing billboard like Winodws. No crappy ads on my IM client, or other stupid shareware crap, just a clean, simple interface.
They say Linux is free, and on the desktop you get what you pay for (as they say).
Don't be foolish. Just because you can't install MythTV on Mandrake doesn't mean Linux is crap. If that was the case, then Windows is crap too. I've had plenty of problems trying to install and uninstall software in Windows. If you really get what you pay for then every single person who ever bought Windows got completely screwed.
You don't really need to defrag any commonly used filesystem on Linux as far as I know. I think FAT partitions are really the only filesystems that get that fucked up. Windows literally ate my hd because it was so fragmented and I didn't have enough room left to defrag it. The hd accessing was really loud and it took forever for anything to load. Maybe it was just a faulty drive but I have never seen (heard) anything that bad before or since.
Why reinvent the wheel? Java has been around for a long time now. I don't think any OSS developer had any inclination to reimplement something that was already working. I do think that that was the reasoning for the OSS community to ask that Java be open sourced though. Java is a perfectly good solution that could have been tailored to suit the needs that .NET is now going to do because Java remains shackled by SUN. I guess if the community had known it was going to turn out like this then something new and different would have been created.
Get an epson, nearly all of them are supported.
watch tv
Buy a TV
Download this, ./configure - make - make install - DAMN! - download that ./confgure etc...
How hard is ./configure, make, make install?
That's not Linux's fault. It's the shitty distro you are using.
I put together a system without even looking for Linux compatibility and guess what...it works fine. The "Linux has no drivers" age is long gone. Only people who have never used it, or have some obscure piece of hardware ever complain about drivers. It is true that there is hardware out there that does not have drivers but they are few and far between at this point. I even have a scanner that never worked on Windows 2000 but it works under Linux.
That's way too much effort for me. With Linux I don't have to run adaware or defrag or any of that crap. I just install it and then updrage it with one command. I have so much time to spend doing actual work or just fiddling around with the OS because I don't have to fix an OS that came from the factory broken. Uptime is 18 days and that's only because of I upgraded to 2.6.3 18 days ago.
You're the dumbass. Their business is not selling effective Operating Systems. Just like Ford is not in the business of making effective cars. It's all about profit. If Ford was in the business of making effective cars they wouldn't be producing at least half of the shitty cars that they make now.
Then you have to worry about the aging affect. Every Windows version I have ever used (3.1, 3.11, NT4.0, Win95, Win98, WinME, Win2000, WinXP) has gotten more unstable over time. It's a pain in the ass to have to deal with and eventually you just have to reinstall.
Thank god I never had a problem with a soundcard driver on Linux. I did, however have a soundcard driver on Win2000 that would magically disappear every other day.
This means--gasp--installers that can run from CD and even put their items in the start menu.
No thanks. If I want something in a menu I'll put it there myself. Windows installers have a bad habit of spewing shortcuts all over the place.
I didn't know freedom was a purely western ideal.
Why is that? I've never had a problem watching movies or listening to music in Linux. Why is DRM even needed?