NextStep is dead and Jobs could not even revive it inside Apple.
You're clueless. OSX is NeXT. It has a shelf and a dock and is based on Mach and has a Unix interface. What else do you want?
NT/2000/XP now has a larger installed base on the desktop than all other OS's combined by a high multiple. The reason is that it does what people want it to do for what they are willing to pay in time, trouble, and money.
No. The reason is that it comes preinstalled on every PC. Every PC manufacturer has to pay the MS tax (maybe it's time to let manufacturers decide what they install on their machines). There are a lot of non-technical people out there who only use it because they don't know how to change it. Most of them can't even install Windows so if they had a choice they might try Mandrake or Redhat which are both simpler to install than Windows.
Here is an open (pun intended) question: if you all are so smart and its so easy to make money from the stupid and ignorant, why aren't you all rich?
Because contrary to popular belief not everyone is an asshole. In fact most people interested in OSS are not interested in ripping people off. It's hard to have both of those interests together.
"Those who don't learn history (or choose to ignore it) are bound to repeat it".
So true, so get learning. Pick up a book or something that doesn't involve brain-washing yourself to love MS just because you don't have the technical ability or inclination to try something new. Arguing against OSS is about the dumbest thing one can do in 2003. It was hip a couple of years ago but now it's quite obvious that the development model works. Linux has progressed rapidly and is spreading to many different markets including the desktop and embedded devices.
You say my problem is I am only seeing the kernel. I think your problem is that you're only seeing the GUI.:)
Take a look in the mirror buddy. Linux underneath the GUI is very different. Windows on the other hand retains much of the code it had in Win 3.1 for compatibility measures. I think you are the one who is confused. Just because the shell hasn't changed much doesn't mean Linux hasn't changed.
Well it seems nearly everything you said it completely idiotic. I won't repeat others' comments, but in general I agree with them in disagreeing with you. There is one point that has not been brought up yet though. It concerns this comment:
Governments first. Then all political parties. Then religion. THose three groups have "wronged humanity" in more ways than corporations ever will. Corporations have never wrought injustices on citizens, they may not do stuff as you see fit, but then my neighbour dresses with no color sense. Should i hold him responsable and be allowed to make him answer for this?
So corporations have have never "wrought injustices on citizens"? What a load of crap. It's pretty well known that many companies in the US pay "slave" wages to men, women, and children to do their dirty work in other countries, where they can get away with it. It is lesser known, but also true, that some of these corporations don't even pay slave wages, they just use slaves, or "forced labor" as it is called.
I would also have to disagree with the order in which you put the groups who have wronged humanity. Religion is by far the biggest perpetrator of wrongdoing. Religion has been around longer than political parties and longer than government. Religion has been the motivation for many wars and has been the motivation to form many political parties. Religion has been an underlying cause for so much strife that politics and government combined are merely a tiny fraction of the harm religion has caused.
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No. The top 2% of the population will "save" more money by these tax cuts than everyone else combined.
However the unions are also out of step nowadays with economic reality. If they demand and force a company to pay 3 times what it would cost for workers in Mexico or Hong Kong to do the same job, then a company would be STUPID to pay thrice the cost. And yet the unions yell when those companies move production out of the US.
I've been in places where lAMF jack off and are about as productive as a three year old playing with his own feces, and yet they yell HARRASSMENT to the union rep and get backed up if called on it.
I duno. All in all I think the Unions have served their function and now themselves are a bit of history trying to hang on to power that fades daily.
First of all, even without Unions the jobs would be moving outside the US because the wages that corporations pay for foreign labor is so low it would be illegal in the US. Secondly, you have a very generalized view of unions today. I have seen the side of unions that make the workers all lazy and overpaid but that does not make it the rule. School teachers are a great example. They are underpaid in every state in this country. They have unions but they are still putting in their hours and getting paid scraps. Unions do have to sign contracts with the company. If they sign a bad deal then it's only their fault.
Say your a grocery clerk earning $12.00 an hour stocking shelves. You work 4 days a week and you work on a sunday. You opt to NOT work that 5th weekday because you know that you can make double time, or time and half on sundays. So you work your way up the ladder and get that sunday as a "cherry" day where you could have simply worked that "normal day". There is SO MUCH of this, it's crazy.
What planet are you on? If you think everyone who works at a grocery store makes $12.00 an hour and gets time and a half on sunday then you need to get your head checked. Maybe you should try working at a retail store or supermarket. Those people are not screwing the system, they are getting screwed. Let me give you some real life knowledge. I work as an assest protection manager for a large retail chain. While I was in college I also worked at this store part-time. Most of the people who work there make around $7.50 an hour and work brutal hours, then when their shift ends, some of them go across the street and work another shift at the grocery store for a similar wage. They do not get time and a half. It is not a law to pay time and a half on sunday. To top it all off their hours get cut, off and on to save the company a few bucks when sales are down. You can go from working 60 hours a week at one job to only getting 15. These people have children and families who depend on them and people like you couldn't care less because you want to believe you are getting screwed by everyone else. Only irrational people can bitch that people poorer than them are getting a better "deal" than them.
One of the biggest stumbling blocks to the adoption of Linux on the desktop has been the nerdish nature of the whole installation, configuration and user experience. Your average PC user (and most likely non-/. reader) is doing good to figure out how to get a printer connected to their Windows machine. The typical Linux distro is a no-go for these folks.
You don't have to do anything out of the ordinary to install and configure a Red Hat, Mandrake, or Lindows box. It may not be the same as Windows but it's not harder to do. You don't need the CLI to do any of it on these distros.
Forget configuring a NIC, modifying the defaults for Gnome or KDE, or trying to figure out how to FTP a file from an xterm shell prompt. It just won't happen.
All of this might be difficult for an average Windows user but the fact if that you don't need to do any of it. You don't need to configure the NIC, it's done automagically. Modifying defaults of Gnome and KDE is pretty easy and not very necessary for the average user. No average user needs to "FTP a file from an xterm shell prompt." There are graphical FTP programs for Linux that are actually very similar to graphical FTP programs for Windows.
The point being, and I've said it a million times, is that although Linux was once very difficult to setup, maintain, and use for the average user, it isn't anymore. In fact when I first set up a Linux box I was amazed at how easy it was, especially after hearing comments like yours over and over again. I was prepared with my laptop sitting next to my desktop, with some linux-newbie page in the web browser. The only thing I had to do in the end was to check some boxes and change the CD. Sometimes I think the geeks propogate the same nonsense just so they can keep Linux to themselves.
Even my girlfriend, the most non-technical person in the world, can use my computer (Gentoo + Window Maker). She just needs gaim, mozilla, and xmms. She even asked me to install Linux on her machine because she was sick of the BSOD's and the incomprehensible error messages. This is a person (like most non-technical people) who won't even use the Windows Install CD because she's afraid of it. She, like many others, use Windows because that's what came with the computer. If something else had been on there instead she would have learned that instead.
I'm sorry... Lindows is a shameless attempt to take something that is free and repackage it as something that costs money to compete/look like something that costs more money. Lindows is not free and not GPL compatible, so how do they get away with using GPL'd stuff?
You haven't read the GPL have you? You must only provide the source for the software.
"The pricing of Click N' Run software has changed from $49.95 a year to $4.95 a month" That means it's $60 a year!!!
Wrong. The pricing is either $49.95 a year or $4.95 a month. If you wish to pay monthly instead of yearly then you pay more, this is a common practice.
I think the OSS/GPL community should focus on making a seriously usable, more efficient and stable UI w/ a simple and powerful API. Maybe ditch X & C? I think that Java, Python, AOP, self-generating code (like LISP) and langugages w/ embedded expert knowlege systems (something like JESS) are the future... platform specific apps are headed for the dust-bin of history: C does not scale well and there's too many hacks/incompatibilities/evil things and C++ polymorphism is a inconsistent, incomplete kludge. You can argue and justify *NIX & C all day long, but the security issues (strcmp, gets) and wild pointers give programs zero protection, almost like each program is an old skool DOS machine, where it can go wild writing shit everywhere w/ pointers w/o security. I propose that programs and libraries have defensive security models *built-in*, so that private data is actually secured, in a real way.
Sounds nifty. How about you give me a copy when you've got a beta. Seriously though, no one cares what you think the OSS community should do. The whole point is to do what you want to be done. The source is open so you don't have to re-implement everything on your own. Whoever feels it's a good idea to implement "your" ideas, and is knowledgeable enough to do so, will do just that. So I suggest if you really want something like that then create it or shut up.
What are you doing wrong that is causing you to reinstall.
Using it. I switched to Linux because I was tired or freezing, rebooting, and reinstalling. I had been interested in Linux for a few years but only had this laptop to play with and I needed Windows for school. No more freezing, no more rebooting, and no more reinstalling. The only way to avoid a reinstall is to never touch anything, otherwise it just gets too fragmented, which is another reason I switched, because my HD was so fragmented (and yes I defragged it) that it got thrashed and I had to buy a new one. I decided to freshly install Linux on the new HD and not waste my time with Windows again.
If you can't set up a Windows box properly, what makes you think that you can set up a Mandrake box properly?
Um who said I couldn't set up a Windows box? I think I mentioned before that I have several times before. ME just has to be reinstalled because it sucks so much it just wants to explode on you. Windows 2000 was the stopgap replacemnet that I had to install before I switched to Linux. Besides you don't even have to know how to setup a Windows machine to set up Mandrake. Just click the appropiate boxes. It doesn't get much easier than that.
On a side note, I know what you're trying to do. Somehow you want to blame all of Windows' inadequacies on me. I know how to use a computer. I have 4 computers in my house that all ran Windows at one time. I have a network setup for all of them. I switched all of them to Linux. Because of this and previous learning experiences I know all about networking with both Linux and Windows. I also know perl and a little c and c++. I use gentoo now on my laptop so I don't need hand holding if that's what you're implying. I taught everything and anything I know about computers to myself. I'm not claiming to be a guru of anything but I do know how to work a computer.
Studies show that computer-illiterate people are easily confused by multiple buttons. You'd be surprised, but it really is a problem
Proof again that not everyone should use a computer. I hate to sound elitist but why should everyone else have to suffer because someone couldn't figure out how to use more than one mouse button? I wish they would make efficient computers for efficient people, rather than dumb computers for dumb people.
I've heard this bunch of garbage for too long. I installed Red Hat 9 on a laptop with a scanner, a printer, a pcmcia ethernet card, and an external usb hard drive all without a hitch. The OS detected everything and I didn't have to touch a thing other than installing a driver for the scanner. It was as easy, if not easier, than installing windows on the same machine, which I have done quite a few times before.
It's time to stop spreading the FUD. Anyone who can setup and use Windows can setup a Mandrake or Red Hat box. It is only difficult for some people stuck in a Windows world who couldn't imagine anything else. The completely clueless will learn either just as easily. Admittedly even former MS zealots (myself included) can find it not too difficult to setup a Linux box.
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
What's really funny about this is that I'm compiling right now as I write this! Somehow it's not stopping me from doing anything.
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
Never used gentoo huh? There is no graphical installer for gentoo.
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and.debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands, my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
It is faster. The proof is in the pudding and I've tried it on two different machines with the same outcome. You could recompile every RPM if you wanted to but why? Gentoo is built from the ground up. There is another thing too, it's called prelinking!
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
So that makes you a better person with a better arguement? This doesn't even belong in the discussion.
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -09 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
I've got a bleeding edge gentoo box, although it's not -O9 (O as in Optimization, not 0 you fool), and it has never crashed.
I could go on and on for every one of these cases but that's not the point. The poing is that everytime some idiot bashes gentoo he is bashing Linux and it does none of us any good. Who cares what distro you use? Use the one that suits you. I like gentoo for many reasons but I don't care if someone else uses or likes a different distro. Gentoo is just suffereing like everything else from it's popularity. You can argue all you want about how popular it is but the fact that there are so many anti-gentoo zealots goes to show that there's enough users to impact others who don't use gentoo.
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Phew, and for a second I thought McCarthyism was dead.
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According to IBM they took extreme caution in seperating AIX and Linux developers. It's not like they just took "Billy" away from programming for AIX and then threw him in with the Linux developers. They had to have this seperation so something like what SCO is claiming didn't happen. IBM is not dumb when it comes to IP laws. They know what they are doing and I'm sure they thought of the possible legal consequences of developing for both Linux and Unix.
> If SCO wins this, then any enhancement you add to a piece of software will be owned by the original author of said software, not you. The chilling effects would be immense.
Hmm... Sounds a little bit like the GPL.
No it doesn't. An enhancment to a GPL products only ensures that everyone gets to use the enhancement. If SCO gets their way an enhancement to a SCO product gets taken away and given to SCO outright, leaving them to decide how much money you have to pay to use their software.
All the trash talking about the GPL is rediculous. The point of the GPL is to ensure that if you change a piece of software that you submit those changes for others to use. If you don't like it then don't use GPL'd software. It won't spread like a virus if you don't use it. The author of the program is giving you more rights by GPLing the software than if it was made propietary so stop complaining already.
People thought Bill was bad, wait till Hillary gets control
Yeah peace and prosperity sure did suck. I'm glad our new president created a perpetual war, destroyed the economy, and stripped me of my rights.
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So you read the NDA? What did it say exactly? What are you basing your beliefs on that he may have violated the NDA? Unless you can answer two affirmatives and an explanation then you are speaking out of your a$$.
Whoa buddy, it looks like you're the one making irrational judgements if IBM is "looking more and more guilty". None of us have seen the facts because SCO won't let us, so there is no way of knowing at this time if it is true. We can only go by what we see SCO doing and IBM doing. SCO is acting very strange; not showing what code was copied, changing their story several times, IP disputes with Novell, so on and so forth. IBM has hardly even said a word, they don't seem too worried. It's looking more and more like a Linux FUD campaign than anything else. That's the only rational conclusion.
"The party that is right will win"? What planet do you live on? It's nice in theory but you're naive if you think that's the way things work. The justice in this country is horribly out of whack. "Innocent until proven guilty" is another one of those ideals that we like to think is a part of the basis of our country and our legal system but that's pretty much gone out the window. I'm not saying that it isn't written down somewhere that that's how it's supposed to be; it's just not that way.
Actually it has everything to do with SCO's Linux claims. They decided to revoke the AIX license when they reached an "impasse" with IBM about the supposed copyright infringement of Linux by way of IBM. Their "legitimacy" in revoking the irrevocable license rests on the fact that they believe IBM inappropriately used Unix code in Linux. The CEO even mentioned Red Hat and how much they potentially cost SCO in Unix licenses. It was all explained in the articles.
That's not necessarily true. A new breed of microkernels and exokernels have proven to be much faster and more usuable than microkernels like Mach. You might of heard of L4, which is one of these new microkernels, the main difference being size. L4 is much smaller the Mach and perfoms less tasks, leaving more to userspace. MIT makes an exokernel called XOK. You should check it out. Just google for "microkernel" and "exokernel". There's a lot of good info out there.
As far as forcing people to upgrade, that is total nonsense. It isn't "forcing" if people really want the features of OS X.X, and one of those features is an improved filesystem, and a new, extra snazzy browser now with goobygobs.
Oh really? So the internet never changes does it? The original IE does not display content exactly the same as the present incarnation. If you want the internet in the future you'll have to upgrade your whole system.
Hell even Linux and the OSS is there to push personal political ideals.
Never heard of Linus Torvalds have you?
And as much as it gauls you, you have Microsoft to thank for it.
No. You didn't read my post did you? Why should I thank someone for trying to make as much money as possible just because it may have a positive affect on me? In reality I'm quite pissed at the fact that MS uses it's stranglehold on the PC market to force sellers to pay for their license on every box sold. They may have inadvertantly given people a choice in the beginning but they were sure to take it away by forcing people to buy their license whether they wanted Windows or not.
Don't yell when you don't know what you are talking about. The pot calling the kettle black. THERE IS NO OUTLOOK FOR OSX. OSX and MacOS are not the same thing. They only made Outlook for MacOS not OSX. Even the link you give clearly shows that.
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You're clueless. OSX is NeXT. It has a shelf and a dock and is based on Mach and has a Unix interface. What else do you want?
NT/2000/XP now has a larger installed base on the desktop than all other OS's combined by a high multiple. The reason is that it does what people want it to do for what they are willing to pay in time, trouble, and money.
No. The reason is that it comes preinstalled on every PC. Every PC manufacturer has to pay the MS tax (maybe it's time to let manufacturers decide what they install on their machines). There are a lot of non-technical people out there who only use it because they don't know how to change it. Most of them can't even install Windows so if they had a choice they might try Mandrake or Redhat which are both simpler to install than Windows.
Here is an open (pun intended) question: if you all are so smart and its so easy to make money from the stupid and ignorant, why aren't you all rich?
Because contrary to popular belief not everyone is an asshole. In fact most people interested in OSS are not interested in ripping people off. It's hard to have both of those interests together.
"Those who don't learn history (or choose to ignore it) are bound to repeat it".
So true, so get learning. Pick up a book or something that doesn't involve brain-washing yourself to love MS just because you don't have the technical ability or inclination to try something new. Arguing against OSS is about the dumbest thing one can do in 2003. It was hip a couple of years ago but now it's quite obvious that the development model works. Linux has progressed rapidly and is spreading to many different markets including the desktop and embedded devices.
Take a look in the mirror buddy. Linux underneath the GUI is very different. Windows on the other hand retains much of the code it had in Win 3.1 for compatibility measures. I think you are the one who is confused. Just because the shell hasn't changed much doesn't mean Linux hasn't changed.
Governments first. Then all political parties. Then religion. THose three groups have "wronged humanity" in more ways than corporations ever will. Corporations have never wrought injustices on citizens, they may not do stuff as you see fit, but then my neighbour dresses with no color sense. Should i hold him responsable and be allowed to make him answer for this?
So corporations have have never "wrought injustices on citizens"? What a load of crap. It's pretty well known that many companies in the US pay "slave" wages to men, women, and children to do their dirty work in other countries, where they can get away with it. It is lesser known, but also true, that some of these corporations don't even pay slave wages, they just use slaves, or "forced labor" as it is called.
I would also have to disagree with the order in which you put the groups who have wronged humanity. Religion is by far the biggest perpetrator of wrongdoing. Religion has been around longer than political parties and longer than government. Religion has been the motivation for many wars and has been the motivation to form many political parties. Religion has been an underlying cause for so much strife that politics and government combined are merely a tiny fraction of the harm religion has caused.
No. The top 2% of the population will "save" more money by these tax cuts than everyone else combined.
I've been in places where lAMF jack off and are about as productive as a three year old playing with his own feces, and yet they yell HARRASSMENT to the union rep and get backed up if called on it.
I duno. All in all I think the Unions have served their function and now themselves are a bit of history trying to hang on to power that fades daily.
First of all, even without Unions the jobs would be moving outside the US because the wages that corporations pay for foreign labor is so low it would be illegal in the US. Secondly, you have a very generalized view of unions today. I have seen the side of unions that make the workers all lazy and overpaid but that does not make it the rule. School teachers are a great example. They are underpaid in every state in this country. They have unions but they are still putting in their hours and getting paid scraps. Unions do have to sign contracts with the company. If they sign a bad deal then it's only their fault.
What planet are you on? If you think everyone who works at a grocery store makes $12.00 an hour and gets time and a half on sunday then you need to get your head checked. Maybe you should try working at a retail store or supermarket. Those people are not screwing the system, they are getting screwed. Let me give you some real life knowledge. I work as an assest protection manager for a large retail chain. While I was in college I also worked at this store part-time. Most of the people who work there make around $7.50 an hour and work brutal hours, then when their shift ends, some of them go across the street and work another shift at the grocery store for a similar wage. They do not get time and a half. It is not a law to pay time and a half on sunday. To top it all off their hours get cut, off and on to save the company a few bucks when sales are down. You can go from working 60 hours a week at one job to only getting 15. These people have children and families who depend on them and people like you couldn't care less because you want to believe you are getting screwed by everyone else. Only irrational people can bitch that people poorer than them are getting a better "deal" than them.
You don't have to do anything out of the ordinary to install and configure a Red Hat, Mandrake, or Lindows box. It may not be the same as Windows but it's not harder to do. You don't need the CLI to do any of it on these distros.
Forget configuring a NIC, modifying the defaults for Gnome or KDE, or trying to figure out how to FTP a file from an xterm shell prompt. It just won't happen.
All of this might be difficult for an average Windows user but the fact if that you don't need to do any of it. You don't need to configure the NIC, it's done automagically. Modifying defaults of Gnome and KDE is pretty easy and not very necessary for the average user. No average user needs to "FTP a file from an xterm shell prompt." There are graphical FTP programs for Linux that are actually very similar to graphical FTP programs for Windows.
The point being, and I've said it a million times, is that although Linux was once very difficult to setup, maintain, and use for the average user, it isn't anymore. In fact when I first set up a Linux box I was amazed at how easy it was, especially after hearing comments like yours over and over again. I was prepared with my laptop sitting next to my desktop, with some linux-newbie page in the web browser. The only thing I had to do in the end was to check some boxes and change the CD. Sometimes I think the geeks propogate the same nonsense just so they can keep Linux to themselves.
Even my girlfriend, the most non-technical person in the world, can use my computer (Gentoo + Window Maker). She just needs gaim, mozilla, and xmms. She even asked me to install Linux on her machine because she was sick of the BSOD's and the incomprehensible error messages. This is a person (like most non-technical people) who won't even use the Windows Install CD because she's afraid of it. She, like many others, use Windows because that's what came with the computer. If something else had been on there instead she would have learned that instead.
You haven't read the GPL have you? You must only provide the source for the software.
"The pricing of Click N' Run software has changed from $49.95 a year to $4.95 a month" That means it's $60 a year!!!
Wrong. The pricing is either $49.95 a year or $4.95 a month. If you wish to pay monthly instead of yearly then you pay more, this is a common practice.
I think the OSS/GPL community should focus on making a seriously usable, more efficient and stable UI w/ a simple and powerful API. Maybe ditch X & C? I think that Java, Python, AOP, self-generating code (like LISP) and langugages w/ embedded expert knowlege systems (something like JESS) are the future... platform specific apps are headed for the dust-bin of history: C does not scale well and there's too many hacks/incompatibilities/evil things and C++ polymorphism is a inconsistent, incomplete kludge. You can argue and justify *NIX & C all day long, but the security issues (strcmp, gets) and wild pointers give programs zero protection, almost like each program is an old skool DOS machine, where it can go wild writing shit everywhere w/ pointers w/o security. I propose that programs and libraries have defensive security models *built-in*, so that private data is actually secured, in a real way.
Sounds nifty. How about you give me a copy when you've got a beta. Seriously though, no one cares what you think the OSS community should do. The whole point is to do what you want to be done. The source is open so you don't have to re-implement everything on your own. Whoever feels it's a good idea to implement "your" ideas, and is knowledgeable enough to do so, will do just that. So I suggest if you really want something like that then create it or shut up.
Using it. I switched to Linux because I was tired or freezing, rebooting, and reinstalling. I had been interested in Linux for a few years but only had this laptop to play with and I needed Windows for school. No more freezing, no more rebooting, and no more reinstalling. The only way to avoid a reinstall is to never touch anything, otherwise it just gets too fragmented, which is another reason I switched, because my HD was so fragmented (and yes I defragged it) that it got thrashed and I had to buy a new one. I decided to freshly install Linux on the new HD and not waste my time with Windows again.
If you can't set up a Windows box properly, what makes you think that you can set up a Mandrake box properly?
Um who said I couldn't set up a Windows box? I think I mentioned before that I have several times before. ME just has to be reinstalled because it sucks so much it just wants to explode on you. Windows 2000 was the stopgap replacemnet that I had to install before I switched to Linux. Besides you don't even have to know how to setup a Windows machine to set up Mandrake. Just click the appropiate boxes. It doesn't get much easier than that.
On a side note, I know what you're trying to do. Somehow you want to blame all of Windows' inadequacies on me. I know how to use a computer. I have 4 computers in my house that all ran Windows at one time. I have a network setup for all of them. I switched all of them to Linux. Because of this and previous learning experiences I know all about networking with both Linux and Windows. I also know perl and a little c and c++. I use gentoo now on my laptop so I don't need hand holding if that's what you're implying. I taught everything and anything I know about computers to myself. I'm not claiming to be a guru of anything but I do know how to work a computer.
Proof again that not everyone should use a computer. I hate to sound elitist but why should everyone else have to suffer because someone couldn't figure out how to use more than one mouse button? I wish they would make efficient computers for efficient people, rather than dumb computers for dumb people.
It's time to stop spreading the FUD. Anyone who can setup and use Windows can setup a Mandrake or Red Hat box. It is only difficult for some people stuck in a Windows world who couldn't imagine anything else. The completely clueless will learn either just as easily. Admittedly even former MS zealots (myself included) can find it not too difficult to setup a Linux box.
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive." "Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
What's really funny about this is that I'm compiling right now as I write this! Somehow it's not stopping me from doing anything.
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs." "Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
Never used gentoo huh? There is no graphical installer for gentoo.
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo." "I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands, my box MUST be faster. It's nothing to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
It is faster. The proof is in the pudding and I've tried it on two different machines with the same outcome. You could recompile every RPM if you wanted to but why? Gentoo is built from the ground up. There is another thing too, it's called prelinking!
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..." "...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
So that makes you a better person with a better arguement? This doesn't even belong in the discussion.
"All the other distros are soooo out of date." "Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -09 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
I've got a bleeding edge gentoo box, although it's not -O9 (O as in Optimization, not 0 you fool), and it has never crashed.
I could go on and on for every one of these cases but that's not the point. The poing is that everytime some idiot bashes gentoo he is bashing Linux and it does none of us any good. Who cares what distro you use? Use the one that suits you. I like gentoo for many reasons but I don't care if someone else uses or likes a different distro. Gentoo is just suffereing like everything else from it's popularity. You can argue all you want about how popular it is but the fact that there are so many anti-gentoo zealots goes to show that there's enough users to impact others who don't use gentoo.
Phew, and for a second I thought McCarthyism was dead.
According to IBM they took extreme caution in seperating AIX and Linux developers. It's not like they just took "Billy" away from programming for AIX and then threw him in with the Linux developers. They had to have this seperation so something like what SCO is claiming didn't happen. IBM is not dumb when it comes to IP laws. They know what they are doing and I'm sure they thought of the possible legal consequences of developing for both Linux and Unix.
Hmm... Sounds a little bit like the GPL.
No it doesn't. An enhancment to a GPL products only ensures that everyone gets to use the enhancement. If SCO gets their way an enhancement to a SCO product gets taken away and given to SCO outright, leaving them to decide how much money you have to pay to use their software.
All the trash talking about the GPL is rediculous. The point of the GPL is to ensure that if you change a piece of software that you submit those changes for others to use. If you don't like it then don't use GPL'd software. It won't spread like a virus if you don't use it. The author of the program is giving you more rights by GPLing the software than if it was made propietary so stop complaining already.
Yeah peace and prosperity sure did suck. I'm glad our new president created a perpetual war, destroyed the economy, and stripped me of my rights.
So you read the NDA? What did it say exactly? What are you basing your beliefs on that he may have violated the NDA? Unless you can answer two affirmatives and an explanation then you are speaking out of your a$$.
Whoa buddy, it looks like you're the one making irrational judgements if IBM is "looking more and more guilty". None of us have seen the facts because SCO won't let us, so there is no way of knowing at this time if it is true. We can only go by what we see SCO doing and IBM doing. SCO is acting very strange; not showing what code was copied, changing their story several times, IP disputes with Novell, so on and so forth. IBM has hardly even said a word, they don't seem too worried. It's looking more and more like a Linux FUD campaign than anything else. That's the only rational conclusion.
"The party that is right will win"? What planet do you live on? It's nice in theory but you're naive if you think that's the way things work. The justice in this country is horribly out of whack. "Innocent until proven guilty" is another one of those ideals that we like to think is a part of the basis of our country and our legal system but that's pretty much gone out the window. I'm not saying that it isn't written down somewhere that that's how it's supposed to be; it's just not that way.
Actually it has everything to do with SCO's Linux claims. They decided to revoke the AIX license when they reached an "impasse" with IBM about the supposed copyright infringement of Linux by way of IBM. Their "legitimacy" in revoking the irrevocable license rests on the fact that they believe IBM inappropriately used Unix code in Linux. The CEO even mentioned Red Hat and how much they potentially cost SCO in Unix licenses. It was all explained in the articles.
AT&T sold copyrights to Novell.
Novell sold to SCO.
SCO sold to Caldera.
Caldera becomes "SCO".
Confusing? Yes.
That's not necessarily true. A new breed of microkernels and exokernels have proven to be much faster and more usuable than microkernels like Mach. You might of heard of L4, which is one of these new microkernels, the main difference being size. L4 is much smaller the Mach and perfoms less tasks, leaving more to userspace. MIT makes an exokernel called XOK. You should check it out. Just google for "microkernel" and "exokernel". There's a lot of good info out there.
Oh really? So the internet never changes does it? The original IE does not display content exactly the same as the present incarnation. If you want the internet in the future you'll have to upgrade your whole system.
You.
Hell even Linux and the OSS is there to push personal political ideals.
Never heard of Linus Torvalds have you?
And as much as it gauls you, you have Microsoft to thank for it.
No. You didn't read my post did you? Why should I thank someone for trying to make as much money as possible just because it may have a positive affect on me? In reality I'm quite pissed at the fact that MS uses it's stranglehold on the PC market to force sellers to pay for their license on every box sold. They may have inadvertantly given people a choice in the beginning but they were sure to take it away by forcing people to buy their license whether they wanted Windows or not.
Don't yell when you don't know what you are talking about. The pot calling the kettle black. THERE IS NO OUTLOOK FOR OSX. OSX and MacOS are not the same thing. They only made Outlook for MacOS not OSX. Even the link you give clearly shows that.