I'd vote for that. I mean where else to all those people that never graduate college have to call their own. Shame on the graduates for not unregistering their accounts!
You make a good point about affecting large corporations wiht lawsuits, but who gets sued when my linux server gets hacked? I would venture to guess that the average Open source contributer can't afford "big lawsuits with billions in damage verdicts". OSS may be (by design) more secure than closed source software, but if you think OSS is perfectly secure, then i suggest you go do your homework some more.
You are completely correct. I am entirely at fault for misunderstanding your orignal post.
I took your post as an argument for why NON-US entities (govts. or corporations) should not trust software developed by U.S. companies for sale on a Commercial market.
You can see why I would think that using an example of espionage/counter-espionage as a way to discredit the Trustworthyness of all U.S. software companies would seem ridiculous.
But your second post which clearly states that what you meant was that governments can not STEAL software from the U.S. and TRUST that it will work correctly is a very sound and logical statement.
Thank you, come again.
2) America has put back doors in other software that caused nasty things to happen.
That cracks me up. You're trying to make the point that other countries DO NOT trust the U.S. because (and you need to read the link you posted to understand this) they found out the Soviets were STEALING software from americans and then let them STEAL bad software instead?
That's rich! Thanks another incredibly stupid anti-american statement. Keep up the good work!
So After reading the article and reading all of the posts (thus far) I have one question that is screaming to be answered, and I can't come up with anything myself. So I felt I would pose the question to everyone else:
What can the Open Source community do that would be similar to help in this cause. Notably the companies that are taking action are service providers and the OS community is more technology based. (not that we don't provide services, just not ISP type services,...anyway, you know what I mean...back to my point). Is the Open Source community doing what it can in terms of providing the spam filters and other technologies, or are there other "non-technical" approaches available to the community similar to what these companies are doing like legal action.
Just thinking out loud...
um.... It's possible that he meant "millions of possible paths". You have to assume that the path which the program takes is the "Correct" path to do the task the program is supposed to do. It probably doesn't take billions of side paths to get the job done. Logically (to avoid enourmous performance hits) it tries to confuse the human with "possible" paths of execution; which leads to the whole "analog out" on DRM of audio files analogy. Which means that the program has to take some path and the reverse engineer simply goes along for the ride.
you've pretty much got this figured out. It's like DRM on audio files; eventually the sound has to come out of the speakers. It seems that if the program is running, then it can be loaded into a debugger and looked at, and if my computer can understand it (i.e. it functions) then the debugger will be able to.
No WAY! Do you realize how much money is actually saved by people who play Counter-Strike? They pay $15-45 U.S. (depending on when they bought the game) for the actual game and then pay for their monthly internet connection (which they arguably would have anyway). Then they don't need to be wasting money on things like dinners at nice restraunts on dates or on movies or any of the other things that "normal" people throw their money away doing. It's the perfect cheap date.
I would agree with this statement. I've played Counter-Strike for about 4 years now and recently started playing BattleField's Desert Combat mod. Mostly the maps allow for beginners to "run-around" somewhere that will allow them to stay out of the action and work on whatever skill you feel you need to improve. Also it's got pretty graphics.
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I'd vote for that. I mean where else to all those people that never graduate college have to call their own. Shame on the graduates for not unregistering their accounts!
You make a good point about affecting large corporations wiht lawsuits, but who gets sued when my linux server gets hacked? I would venture to guess that the average Open source contributer can't afford "big lawsuits with billions in damage verdicts". OSS may be (by design) more secure than closed source software, but if you think OSS is perfectly secure, then i suggest you go do your homework some more.
You are completely correct. I am entirely at fault for misunderstanding your orignal post.
I took your post as an argument for why NON-US entities (govts. or corporations) should not trust software developed by U.S. companies for sale on a Commercial market.
You can see why I would think that using an example of espionage/counter-espionage as a way to discredit the Trustworthyness of all U.S. software companies would seem ridiculous.
But your second post which clearly states that what you meant was that governments can not STEAL software from the U.S. and TRUST that it will work correctly is a very sound and logical statement.
Thank you, come again.
2) America has put back doors in other software that caused nasty things to happen.
That cracks me up. You're trying to make the point that other countries DO NOT trust the U.S. because (and you need to read the link you posted to understand this) they found out the Soviets were STEALING software from americans and then let them STEAL bad software instead?
That's rich! Thanks another incredibly stupid anti-american statement. Keep up the good work!
If by recent you mean: WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 5, 2001 but it was a good read anyway.
So After reading the article and reading all of the posts (thus far) I have one question that is screaming to be answered, and I can't come up with anything myself. So I felt I would pose the question to everyone else: What can the Open Source community do that would be similar to help in this cause. Notably the companies that are taking action are service providers and the OS community is more technology based. (not that we don't provide services, just not ISP type services,...anyway, you know what I mean...back to my point). Is the Open Source community doing what it can in terms of providing the spam filters and other technologies, or are there other "non-technical" approaches available to the community similar to what these companies are doing like legal action. Just thinking out loud...
um.... It's possible that he meant "millions of possible paths". You have to assume that the path which the program takes is the "Correct" path to do the task the program is supposed to do. It probably doesn't take billions of side paths to get the job done. Logically (to avoid enourmous performance hits) it tries to confuse the human with "possible" paths of execution; which leads to the whole "analog out" on DRM of audio files analogy. Which means that the program has to take some path and the reverse engineer simply goes along for the ride.
you've pretty much got this figured out. It's like DRM on audio files; eventually the sound has to come out of the speakers. It seems that if the program is running, then it can be loaded into a debugger and looked at, and if my computer can understand it (i.e. it functions) then the debugger will be able to.
Games consume bandwidth. WarCraft3 comes to mind as a pretty big bandwidth hog.
I would agree with this statement. I've played Counter-Strike for about 4 years now and recently started playing BattleField's Desert Combat mod. Mostly the maps allow for beginners to "run-around" somewhere that will allow them to stay out of the action and work on whatever skill you feel you need to improve. Also it's got pretty graphics.
That was the funniest post thus far.
318.7 Here is the link in case anyone missed his typo: Play ball