Well, I'd extend that to say your political views, opinions on music, sexual preference, and basically views on ANYTHING don't belong in other people's lives, so everyone should shut the fuck up.
Have I made my point, or do I need to hold your hand through it?
You MIGHT have a point were it CVS or the source that was compromised, but it wasn't. It was their main web server (are we down to not even reading the front page blurb anymore?). This sounds more like a hole in Apache, and the question is whether it's the fault of Gnome's web server admin or if Apache just has a hole that was previously unknown.
Gibson has been in business making guitars for over 100 years. Web portals were a fad that had no history, no business model, and no forseeable future. No matter how bad the economy has been (WWI, WWII, the Depression, and so on), Gibson has survived. I think it's safe to assume that they're going to be around a leeeeetle bit longer. If not, there's STILL a few million other guitars that already exist in this country that are worth repairing.
I'd repair the millions of preexisting guitars in this country that are worth considerably more than $3. Guitars have been produced overseas for quite a long time now, and many are closing in on the $50 mark. But these are low quality guitars, usually bought for beginners or as last-ditch backups. They're disposable, but a $2800 Gibson (which will ALWAYS have buyers) isn't. No, I don't think guitars are an American thing. I worked as quality control (and several other things) for a manufacturer that has production in the US, Japan, and India. The Indian built guitars can't hold a candle to the Japanese guitars, and the Japanese guitars aren't as good as the American guitars. You don't ALWAYS get what you pay for, but in this case that adage is true. A good luthier in Japan can make a guitar just as good as any American can, but he might make less money doing so.
Businesses have ALWAYS done anything they could to save costs. Pretending it's a new thing to further your argument is short-sighted and flat-out fucking stupid.
Why not outsource the higher level jobs? Because those people NEED TO BE HERE. Game companies might farm out the low-level artwork jobs and stupid coding tasks to some dude in India, but they still need their designer here. They still need the main coders here. IT companies might outsource call center people but they sure as hell aren't going to outsource their service people, or their own sysadmins. Do you think they're going to fly them in from Russia every time something goes wrong?
What incentives are there to not outsource? None. None at all. Then again, what incentives are there to have run a business in this country PERIOD? Absolutely none. Yet people do it all the time.
What's going to happen when it's accepted that outsourcing is good for profits? Low-level shit jobs will move overseas. Low-level shit job workers in this country will have to find other avenues of revenue. I suggest you look up the Industrial Revolution and see the impact it had on the workers then.
The only ones incapable of starting their own company are the ones incapable of sacrificing immediate luxury for long-term financial stability. Barely 8 months ago my father lost his job as a mechanic for a local car dealership. He had a choice. Either go to work for another dealership making roughly the same money or start his own shop. If he started his own shop it meant losing quite a bit of income short-term, but the potential profits in the long are strong (he has a damn good reputation in this area, along with a large group of racing buddies that are constantly in need of work on their cars). He started his own shop, and already he's pulling in about as much as he did working at a dealership. Only now he has to work fewer hours to do so.
How many of those had their jobs replaced by machines? It's all the same bullshit argument. One day it's machines that will destroy the American worker, the next it's cheap overseas labor. Yet we're still here. I'm sorry, if you can't be retrained to do something else and make a living nowdays you are too fucking stupid to live. Evolve or die.
That. Is. Stupid. So you want this company to keep its American workers, so that the whole company goes bankrupt and EVERYONE gets fired, instead of just sending low-level jobs overseas and keeping most of their staff that's already here? Smart. Really smart. I seriously hope you never start a business.
Yeah, yeah, we know. "Think of the children!" I'll be the first to say it... FUCK the children. I've been hearing this shit for twenty fucking years. First it was Japanese production ruining America, then it was Korea, then it was Taiwan, and now it's India and Russia. Get the fuck over it. Everything always balances out in the end.
But, don't you get it, the companies have MONEY! Money is bad! Bad money! On the papers!
*cough*
I said it before, it's only the expendable that are outsourced. If some dude in Russia or India can do your job, do it just as well, and do it cheaper, you need to either improve your skills at your current position or find a new job. Being the world's best developer for Java-based products on BeOS means fuckall if you've painted yourself into an employment corner and that's all you can do. Evolve or die.
Nice troll. Got in the "I'm entitled because I vote" thing, a communism slap... and good use of 'them'. I score it a -4 Troll. Keep up the good work, dumbfuck!
Look dude, this is fucking stupid. Not every goddamned job is being outsourced. Bullshit things like call center work is, low-end code slinging is, and that's about it. Stupid shit any moron can do. The IT equivalent of flipping burgers. If you're expendable, chances are you're not worth paying. Evolve or die.
Next thing you'll be complaining about overseas companies being able to do business in the first place.
So if my profession is outsourced to the point where I can't find a job within the Tri-State area that's a symptom not a cause of my unemployment?
No, moron. That's a symptom of the economy being shitty, not the REASON the economy is shitty. Companies are losing money so in order to cut costs they ship work overseas. You losing your job is yet another symptom.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the massive amounts of unemployment caused by outsourcing and the general lack in confidence that the American middle class has these days.
Pretty much. People that are in industries that can easily be replaced by cheaper foreign labor need to start finding something else to do.
I'll see if you are still so detached and clinical about it when you are in the process of applying for your unemployment extension or filing bankruptcy.
Already been there. Two years ago I lost my job when the company I worked for was sold to a competing manufacturer. Instead of whining to the unemployment office, I started working freelance (I'm a guitar tech, BTW) and haven't needed to do anything else. If suddenly everyone stopped buying and playing guitars and nobody was getting repairs done instead of bitching about it I'd find something else to do. It's quite simple. Work or die. Paint yourself into a corner and you're fucked. I have enough experience in several different areas that I'm qualified for several types of jobs instead of just being able to do one thing.
Yes, and it's all the fault of some game company moving production to India. That is a SYMPTOM, dumbass, not a cause. The economy is shitty simply because the economy is shitty. Things like this happen all the time. It's simply the way the economy works.
Wow. This is fucking stupid. So since the majority of in-between animation is done overseas (the annoying grunt work), you're going to stop watching the Simpsons? You do know that practically every cartoon produced in the past 4-6 years is animated at least partly overseas, right?
Because they don't. How many companies are outsourcing PURELY to increase revenue? How many are outsourcing to keep their ass out of the red? Compare column A to column B and you'll probably end up with a rather lopsided victory for column B.
I've seen people on this forum scoff at $60,000 a year like it was some kind of pittance. Yeah, the programmers have quite a bit to do with it. Everyone seems to think they're more valuable than they are, and they seriously need to realise that despite what they may think, some dude in Russia CAN do their job just as well and even factoring in the cost of living they don't charge as much.
An American newbie MCSE will probably make two to three times as much as a UNIX sysadmin with 10 years experience in some other countries. Which would you rather pay for? Ted, the MCSE? Or Achmed the BOFH? Choose wisely.
Isn't this the same bullshit argument that people have been using for the past 20 years to prove that the outflow of jobs to factories in Japan is going to destroy the American economy within 10 years? Hey! It is!
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Well, I'd extend that to say your political views, opinions on music, sexual preference, and basically views on ANYTHING don't belong in other people's lives, so everyone should shut the fuck up.
Have I made my point, or do I need to hold your hand through it?
COMPLETELY off-topic, but what the holy hell do you drive? A fricken semi?
Check out some of the crappy consumer-level paint programs out there. Photoshop is miles ahead in usability.
Plus, some people just find one piece of software easier than another. I hate Paintshop Pro, but someone else might swear by it.
Adobe does that. I think they call it Photoshop. *nudge nudge, wink wink*
No. Gimp is a joke with a lame punchline compared to Photoshop. Photoshop users and Gimp users are two ends of completely different spectrums.
Even if they did release it, you'd have a few thousand whiny-ass zealots bitching about how it costs so much and nobody would ever STFU and buy it.
Or you draw the shape using the vector tools.
That it's so incomprehensibly strong a bunch of IRCtards can bust it?
You MIGHT have a point were it CVS or the source that was compromised, but it wasn't. It was their main web server (are we down to not even reading the front page blurb anymore?). This sounds more like a hole in Apache, and the question is whether it's the fault of Gnome's web server admin or if Apache just has a hole that was previously unknown.
Gibson has been in business making guitars for over 100 years. Web portals were a fad that had no history, no business model, and no forseeable future. No matter how bad the economy has been (WWI, WWII, the Depression, and so on), Gibson has survived. I think it's safe to assume that they're going to be around a leeeeetle bit longer. If not, there's STILL a few million other guitars that already exist in this country that are worth repairing.
I'd repair the millions of preexisting guitars in this country that are worth considerably more than $3. Guitars have been produced overseas for quite a long time now, and many are closing in on the $50 mark. But these are low quality guitars, usually bought for beginners or as last-ditch backups. They're disposable, but a $2800 Gibson (which will ALWAYS have buyers) isn't. No, I don't think guitars are an American thing. I worked as quality control (and several other things) for a manufacturer that has production in the US, Japan, and India. The Indian built guitars can't hold a candle to the Japanese guitars, and the Japanese guitars aren't as good as the American guitars. You don't ALWAYS get what you pay for, but in this case that adage is true. A good luthier in Japan can make a guitar just as good as any American can, but he might make less money doing so.
Businesses have ALWAYS done anything they could to save costs. Pretending it's a new thing to further your argument is short-sighted and flat-out fucking stupid.
Why not outsource the higher level jobs? Because those people NEED TO BE HERE. Game companies might farm out the low-level artwork jobs and stupid coding tasks to some dude in India, but they still need their designer here. They still need the main coders here. IT companies might outsource call center people but they sure as hell aren't going to outsource their service people, or their own sysadmins. Do you think they're going to fly them in from Russia every time something goes wrong?
What incentives are there to not outsource? None. None at all. Then again, what incentives are there to have run a business in this country PERIOD? Absolutely none. Yet people do it all the time.
What's going to happen when it's accepted that outsourcing is good for profits? Low-level shit jobs will move overseas. Low-level shit job workers in this country will have to find other avenues of revenue. I suggest you look up the Industrial Revolution and see the impact it had on the workers then.
The only ones incapable of starting their own company are the ones incapable of sacrificing immediate luxury for long-term financial stability. Barely 8 months ago my father lost his job as a mechanic for a local car dealership. He had a choice. Either go to work for another dealership making roughly the same money or start his own shop. If he started his own shop it meant losing quite a bit of income short-term, but the potential profits in the long are strong (he has a damn good reputation in this area, along with a large group of racing buddies that are constantly in need of work on their cars). He started his own shop, and already he's pulling in about as much as he did working at a dealership. Only now he has to work fewer hours to do so.
How many of those had their jobs replaced by machines? It's all the same bullshit argument. One day it's machines that will destroy the American worker, the next it's cheap overseas labor. Yet we're still here. I'm sorry, if you can't be retrained to do something else and make a living nowdays you are too fucking stupid to live. Evolve or die.
That. Is. Stupid. So you want this company to keep its American workers, so that the whole company goes bankrupt and EVERYONE gets fired, instead of just sending low-level jobs overseas and keeping most of their staff that's already here? Smart. Really smart. I seriously hope you never start a business.
Yeah, yeah, we know. "Think of the children!" I'll be the first to say it... FUCK the children. I've been hearing this shit for twenty fucking years. First it was Japanese production ruining America, then it was Korea, then it was Taiwan, and now it's India and Russia. Get the fuck over it. Everything always balances out in the end.
But, don't you get it, the companies have MONEY! Money is bad! Bad money! On the papers!
*cough*
I said it before, it's only the expendable that are outsourced. If some dude in Russia or India can do your job, do it just as well, and do it cheaper, you need to either improve your skills at your current position or find a new job. Being the world's best developer for Java-based products on BeOS means fuckall if you've painted yourself into an employment corner and that's all you can do. Evolve or die.
Nice troll. Got in the "I'm entitled because I vote" thing, a communism slap... and good use of 'them'. I score it a -4 Troll. Keep up the good work, dumbfuck!
Look dude, this is fucking stupid. Not every goddamned job is being outsourced. Bullshit things like call center work is, low-end code slinging is, and that's about it. Stupid shit any moron can do. The IT equivalent of flipping burgers. If you're expendable, chances are you're not worth paying. Evolve or die.
Next thing you'll be complaining about overseas companies being able to do business in the first place.
So if my profession is outsourced to the point where I can't find a job within the Tri-State area that's a symptom not a cause of my unemployment?
No, moron. That's a symptom of the economy being shitty, not the REASON the economy is shitty. Companies are losing money so in order to cut costs they ship work overseas. You losing your job is yet another symptom.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the massive amounts of unemployment caused by outsourcing and the general lack in confidence that the American middle class has these days.
Pretty much. People that are in industries that can easily be replaced by cheaper foreign labor need to start finding something else to do.
I'll see if you are still so detached and clinical about it when you are in the process of applying for your unemployment extension or filing bankruptcy.
Already been there. Two years ago I lost my job when the company I worked for was sold to a competing manufacturer. Instead of whining to the unemployment office, I started working freelance (I'm a guitar tech, BTW) and haven't needed to do anything else. If suddenly everyone stopped buying and playing guitars and nobody was getting repairs done instead of bitching about it I'd find something else to do. It's quite simple. Work or die. Paint yourself into a corner and you're fucked. I have enough experience in several different areas that I'm qualified for several types of jobs instead of just being able to do one thing.
Yes, and it's all the fault of some game company moving production to India. That is a SYMPTOM, dumbass, not a cause. The economy is shitty simply because the economy is shitty. Things like this happen all the time. It's simply the way the economy works.
Wow. This is fucking stupid. So since the majority of in-between animation is done overseas (the annoying grunt work), you're going to stop watching the Simpsons? You do know that practically every cartoon produced in the past 4-6 years is animated at least partly overseas, right?
Because they don't. How many companies are outsourcing PURELY to increase revenue? How many are outsourcing to keep their ass out of the red? Compare column A to column B and you'll probably end up with a rather lopsided victory for column B.
I've seen people on this forum scoff at $60,000 a year like it was some kind of pittance. Yeah, the programmers have quite a bit to do with it. Everyone seems to think they're more valuable than they are, and they seriously need to realise that despite what they may think, some dude in Russia CAN do their job just as well and even factoring in the cost of living they don't charge as much.
An American newbie MCSE will probably make two to three times as much as a UNIX sysadmin with 10 years experience in some other countries. Which would you rather pay for? Ted, the MCSE? Or Achmed the BOFH? Choose wisely.
Isn't this the same bullshit argument that people have been using for the past 20 years to prove that the outflow of jobs to factories in Japan is going to destroy the American economy within 10 years? Hey! It is!