If you don't go get your gas tank valved fixed in an official manufacturer recall from your car company, and your car blows up, whose fault is it?
Microsofts
So maybe we could make a OO template for all of the documents required to file suit in the United States. And then write a script which uses these templates to create a completed document.
#perl FileLawsuit.pl
Which State? Washington
Plaintiff? Geeks of America
Defendant? Microsoft (forewith referred to as scumbags )
Reason? Infringement of patented algorithm to create legal documents. Shown to have submitted legal documents with likeness of documents like those produced by the program FileLawsuit.pl, which is a patented algorithm.
Everybody keeps telling noobies about man. The only problem with this is that if they don't know the command it is very difficult to get any useful information out of man.
We should also be teaching them about apropos. man didn't do me a hell of a lot of good until I found out about apropos.
I have never taken one of the eLearning courses with RH, but have taken one of their courses. I can highly recommend it. Having taken a number corporate classes on various subjects, this was the best minute for minute class I have ever taken. At the time I took the course I had already been using linux for over a year and I still felt that the class was well worth it.
As others have said, hands on is mandatory. The first thing I would learn is how to do installs over the network. It's a much faster install and can be automated to the point where you reboot the computer and start an install. This will allow you to play around with various configurations and installations and have the ability to start over with a fresh install in a matter of minutes. I believe the last time I did a full RH install over the network it took less than 20 minutes. Once you learn how to edit the configuration to install what your interested in, you can get this installation down to less than 5 minutes.
You know I have never thought about it until now, but Knoppix might be a good learning tool. Because everytime you reboot you can start afresh. Maybe someone else here can ellucidate on the pros and cons of using Knoppix in this manner.
James Bond is with the UK. If he were only in the CIA, then he could have saved the capsule and prevented the war in Iraq. ( I figured hell while we're dreaming). But instead we get Micheal Moore and a crater in the desert. The dollar doesn't buy you what it used to.
Here some more rumors
The drogue shoot was controlled by Windows CE
RIAA sabotaged it, because it had a Britney Spears mp3 onboard
I've got to quit using the generic brand of aluminum foil, I think this stuff leaks more than Reynolds wrap.
If an alternative OS takes root in Asia, it could very easily become the defacto standard for business and commerce. This would hurt the US economy even more.
Because we're going to be sitting around pointing fingers at each other, bitchin' about IP's,while people in Asia are just using there frickin computers to get shit done.
Hey, whatever we can do to keep the lawyers off unemployment.
I'm glad I had poor schooling, if I had a proper education, this would drive me insane.
Did you happen to note that the description of the problem makes reference to a 2 dimensional sphere? When I went through these types of problems 20 yrs ago, I recall that a definition of a 3 dimensional object can be used to describe and object in higher dimensions, but not a lower dimension.
But then again maybe I'm wrong and this is a 2 dimensional sphere _________________________.
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That's all well and good. Until you realize that someone who has sat around and listened to computer patent disputes for a year is no longer an expert in the field.
That's just one aspect of the problem Even if it was a board of experts, who do you think would appoint the experts Look at the US environmental organizations. Members of some of those groups are just lobbiest for lumber and mining companies
Yes it sounds like a good solution, but currently with some of the examples I've seen in environmental areas, it won't work. It will just add legitimacy to there continual unethical crap
Maybe I'm just feeling cynical today. I don't have a better idea, so I'm willing to try it. I just wish I/we could think of a better one.
I think Mr Terpstra has done a very good job in helping a great number of people resolve their issues with Samba If you look at the Samba users list you will find he has helped a number of people with there problems. Plus the last time I looked, it was the Official-Samba-Howto and he was the author. I do not besmirch Terpstra for any amount of money he made on those books. Even the copies I bought. This is one of the thankless and difficult tasks involved in computer applications, dealing with the users. And unless we find a lot more John Terpstra's out there to help with the documentation and users problems, open source is going to fall flat on it's ass.
Go back and look at all the linux user lists for various applications and distributions. Some of these are getting 2 to 3000 a month. Now remember that this only makes up 1-3% of the computer user population. So if linux usage is ever going to grow we are going to need a lot more people like him answering questions like " Hi, I installed Fedora on my computer for the first time and my computer with XP can't see it in network neighborhood." So if John makes a shit load of money off of this, which I doubt, but if he is great. I couldn't think of a better outcome. Because that means somebody else will be going, "hey that guy made a lot of money answering silly guestions in a Usenet group and writing a howto", Then maybe they'll say "hey I'd like to make a lot of money, maybe I'll go answer some questions in a usenet group and write a howto book."
Why don't you just pay for a SAMBA consulant to do the job for you?
We might, but one of the objectives here is to save money. Consultants can be expensive.
Haven't seen a hell of a lot of consultants around here with much linux experience anyway
The other problem is that there are 2 people in house that could migrate from Nt to 2000,2003.
I think that the Owner may wonder why we are using software that doesn't appear to have in house expertise or requires outside support.
I agree with Mr Terpstra that migration from closed source technology to open source technology should be simplified
How about we start with migration of Win NT domain controllers to Samba domain controllers.
For over 2 years I have held off on upgrading our NT Servers to 2000 or 2003 Servers in hopes that we could migrate to Samba.
But I have yet seen a simplification of these migration path, unless you use roaming profiles. I don't know that many places where roaming profiles are utilized. And in a small to medium size business where there are 25 to 100 computers, transfering profiles and file permissions can be very time comsuming and expensive. To take Mr Terpstra's example of an Access database, I would rather do that, Oh wait, I already did that, but it was actually a SQL Server to PostgreSQL.
So I'm still waiting for a reasonable migration path from NT Server to Samba.
Our arrogance:
I think it has to do with the number of tanks, bombers, submarines and aircraft carriers we have. O'Yeah and the number of nuclear weapons.
Oh and what are you bitchin about. I don't think North Korea stopped and got our permission.
Just do an installation.
About 5 years ago I started using linux. About 3 years ago I bought a system with NVidia card. It was going to replace a Windows server. Well we decided to make it a linux server instead, it was hell. From then on every video card on every computer desktop and server that we purchased was an ATI video card. Why? Because ATI video cards just worked with linux and every computer which is purchased may run linux at some point (Currently we recycle old desktops to linux file servers, network monitors, gateways, training computers). Install RH, install Suse don't worry about the video card it will just work, because all the computers we purchased had ATI cards.
Two months ago I purchased a Dell laptop despite having an Nvidia card. I was assured that it wouldn't be that difficult to get the driver working. After about 2 hours I had it configured and working. I then upgraded my kernel. I had to reset up my drivers. Yeah, this time it only took a few minutes, but what a pain to have to go through those steps and remember what it took to get the video working again. So I went on wishing my laptop had an ATI card.
Then a couple of weeks ago one of the techs was going to get a new computer. So we decided that we would make it dual boot and that way we could use it for training and showing linux desktops. I also found out from one of my tech's that one of the VP's is a closet Unreal Tournament fan. Okay so let's slide in a 9800 card and show him how well linux can run it.
Well guess what, our simple installation turned into a kernel recompile, configuration setting, documentation web hunt to get it to work.
So now when we purchase computers I no longer require that they have ATI video cards. We'll worry about it whenever we switch it over to linux and if we find a reasonably priced card that works easily with linux, then that is what we will buy.
We are currently looking at selling a monitoring tool for chemical reactor systems. The OS platform will be linux, the video card?????? But it currently looks like it will be the Nvidia 6800
even though it is proprietary driver I've heard it is easy to install.
They keep screaming about idemnification, idemnification, idemnification.
So 3000 of us form our own companies. Distributing our own OS, looks like linux, smells like linux, but I promise it isn't linux. I'll promise to idemnify you if anyone sues.
Okay they sue, they come after me for $30,000,000,000. because I violate their double-click patent.
I give, I stole the code, here's the only quarter I have
You know, this horse-shit of lying and hiding behind shell companies can work both ways.
hey maybe after Dale over at SCO finishes pissing away that 31 million. We can pitch in and throw money at him to be our linux bitch.
I know some of you people have facilities with T3. But most of us that work with small and medium businesses have fractional T1's or maybe T1 equivalents. I thought maybe one day in the far,far distant future I would have to worry about monitoring traffic on a T3 equivalent, but hell your talking twice that volume. I don't think my current firewalls could keep up with that kind of traffic capability. What do these people in Canada, Japan, and Korea use for firewalls and gateway monitors? That's what I would like to know.
Cool, I didn't think about this. This really is a difference as far as legalese is concerned. Okay, so it's only a 10 or 20 million dollar difference (legal fees), but hey only 999 more of these and we're talking MS money
So if someone could go and find the loophole in the Virtual Windows patent then that would be 2 today, by 2006 we could have these guys by the balls.
I say we get another group going, working with the Free software foundation and everyother group within the free software foundation and patent everything left over by Microsoft. Once MS violates one of the patents, we each throw in a buck. Thats 70 million computer users times 1% (linux users) thats $700,000. Okay scratch that, everybody throw in a $100 bucks. Now that $70 million dollars. Now we have a court case Everybody throw in $10 more bucks, that's 7million bucks, now we can buy media attention. Now, lets all go around with flyers and concerned looks on our faces asking CTO's whose going to protect us from this MS patent violation. MS says they'll only protect us up to the amount we paid for the software.
Okay, so it's Friday night and I've had a few beers, I can dream can't I. Seriously, SCO and MS are blatantly taking advantage of rules and laws which we have made to protect our society and culture and it basically pisses me off The only thing I can think of to do, is get up tomorrow and help somebody in a newsgroup solve their problem with installing linux or working with linux and not be sarcastic about it.
I'll save may rants and explosions of temperament for/., if you don't mind.
Come on Karma.
Yeah, we tried that or tried it and our developers made sure that the app would only work with IE6. So now we have to use one browser for internal apps and another for external web sites. Works great, until you try to explain which web-sites are internal and which are external, after we spent so much time making it transparent to the user.
The developer testing should never be the last step in testing. Developers shouldn't even build the test scenario's. These should be built seperately from customer input and spec's. Scenarios can be reviewed by developers prior to testing, but they shouldn't be doing the actual testing.
Developers during coding develope a mindset of how a user should interact with an application. The users invariably do it differently and the system breaks. So developer only tests for the way he/she thinks the user should work on the system. Then the user uses it and the system breaks. You usually end up wasting time and money having developers test a system.
I think that the long term problem that this might create is that other countries may quit recognizing our patents. I realize some countries don't, but this creates ammunition for the argument, that too many US patents are meaningless, so therefore should be ignored.
In a world economy we could find US industry and innovation choked up with this patent crap.
Even if somebody tried to do something about it, imagine how much the legal fees would be.
I'm really beginning to believe that MS plans to fight Open Source in the courts.
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If you don't go get your gas tank valved fixed in an official manufacturer recall from your car company, and your car blows up, whose fault is it?
Microsofts
So maybe we could make a OO template for all of the documents required to file suit in the United States. And then write a script which uses these templates to create a completed document.
#perl FileLawsuit.pl
Which State? Washington
Plaintiff? Geeks of America
Defendant? Microsoft (forewith referred to as scumbags )
Reason? Infringement of patented algorithm to
create legal documents. Shown to have submitted
legal documents with likeness of documents
like those produced by the program FileLawsuit.pl,
which is a patented algorithm.
Everybody keeps telling noobies about man. The only problem with this is that if they don't know the command it is very difficult to get any useful information out of man.
We should also be teaching them about apropos.
man didn't do me a hell of a lot of good until I found out about apropos.
I have never taken one of the eLearning courses with RH, but have taken one of their courses. I can highly recommend it. Having taken a number corporate classes on various subjects, this was the best minute for minute class I have ever taken. At the time I took the course I had already been using linux for over a year and I still felt that the class was well worth it.
As others have said, hands on is mandatory. The first thing I would learn is how to do installs over the network. It's a much faster install and can be automated to the point where you reboot the computer and start an install. This will allow you to play around with various configurations and installations and have the ability to start over with a fresh install in a matter of minutes. I believe the last time I did a full RH install over the network it took less than 20 minutes. Once you learn how to edit the configuration to install what your interested in, you can get this installation down to less than 5 minutes.
You know I have never thought about it until now, but Knoppix might be a good learning tool. Because everytime you reboot you can start afresh. Maybe someone else here can ellucidate on the pros and cons of using Knoppix in this manner.
James Bond is with the UK. If he were only in the CIA, then he could have saved the capsule and prevented the war in Iraq. ( I figured hell while we're dreaming). But instead we get Micheal Moore and a crater in the desert. The dollar doesn't buy you what it used to.
Here some more rumors
The drogue shoot was controlled by Windows CE
RIAA sabotaged it, because it had a Britney Spears mp3 onboard
I've got to quit using the generic brand of aluminum foil, I think this stuff leaks more than Reynolds wrap.
If an alternative OS takes root in Asia, it could very easily become the defacto standard for business and commerce. This would hurt the US economy even more.
Because we're going to be sitting around pointing fingers at each other, bitchin' about IP's,while people in Asia are just using there frickin computers to get shit done.
Hey, whatever we can do to keep the lawyers off unemployment.
I'm glad I had poor schooling, if I had a proper education, this would drive me insane.
Did you happen to note that the description of the problem makes reference to a 2 dimensional sphere? When I went through these types of problems 20 yrs ago, I recall that a definition of a 3 dimensional object can be used to describe and object in higher dimensions, but not a lower dimension.
But then again maybe I'm wrong and this is a 2 dimensional sphere _________________________.
That's all well and good. Until you realize that someone who has sat around and listened to computer patent disputes for a year is no longer an expert in the field.
That's just one aspect of the problem
Even if it was a board of experts, who do you think would appoint the experts
Look at the US environmental organizations.
Members of some of those groups are just lobbiest for lumber and mining companies
Yes it sounds like a good solution, but currently with some of the examples I've seen in environmental areas, it won't work.
It will just add legitimacy to there continual unethical crap
Maybe I'm just feeling cynical today.
I don't have a better idea, so I'm willing to try it. I just wish I/we could think of a better one.
I think Mr Terpstra has done a very good job in helping a great number of people resolve their issues with Samba
If you look at the Samba users list you will find he has helped a number of people with there problems.
Plus the last time I looked, it was the Official-Samba-Howto and he was the author.
I do not besmirch Terpstra for any amount of money he made on those books. Even the copies I bought. This is one of the thankless and difficult tasks involved in computer applications, dealing with the users. And unless we find a lot more John Terpstra's out there to help with the documentation and users problems, open source is going to fall flat on it's ass.
Go back and look at all the linux user lists for various applications and distributions. Some of these are getting 2 to 3000 a month. Now remember that this only makes up 1-3% of the computer user population. So if linux usage is ever going to grow we are going to need a lot more people like him answering questions like " Hi, I installed Fedora on my computer for the first time and my computer with XP can't see it in network neighborhood."
So if John makes a shit load of money off of this, which I doubt, but if he is great. I couldn't think of a better outcome. Because that means somebody else will be going, "hey that guy made a lot of money answering silly guestions in a Usenet group and writing a howto", Then maybe they'll say "hey I'd like to make a lot of money, maybe I'll go answer some questions in a usenet group and write a howto book."
I opened up a discussion in my journal so we could take it off line. I would definitely like to hear your assessment of our situation.
Why don't you just pay for a SAMBA consulant to do the job for you?
We might, but one of the objectives here is to save money. Consultants can be expensive.
Haven't seen a hell of a lot of consultants around here with much linux experience anyway
The other problem is that there are 2 people in house that could migrate from Nt to 2000,2003.
I think that the Owner may wonder why we are using software that doesn't appear to have in house expertise or requires outside support.
Very
I agree with Mr Terpstra that migration from closed source technology to open source technology should be simplified
How about we start with migration of Win NT domain controllers to Samba domain controllers.
For over 2 years I have held off on upgrading our NT Servers to 2000 or 2003 Servers in hopes that we could migrate to Samba.
But I have yet seen a simplification of these migration path, unless you use roaming profiles. I don't know that many places where roaming profiles are utilized.
And in a small to medium size business where there are 25 to 100 computers, transfering profiles and file permissions can be very time comsuming and expensive.
To take Mr Terpstra's example of an Access database, I would rather do that, Oh wait, I already did that, but it was actually a SQL Server to PostgreSQL.
So I'm still waiting for a reasonable migration path from NT Server to Samba.
Our arrogance: I think it has to do with the number of tanks, bombers, submarines and aircraft carriers we have. O'Yeah and the number of nuclear weapons.
Oh and what are you bitchin about. I don't think North Korea stopped and got our permission.
Just do an installation. About 5 years ago I started using linux. About 3 years ago I bought a system with NVidia card. It was going to replace a Windows server. Well we decided to make it a linux server instead, it was hell. From then on every video card on every computer desktop and server that we purchased was an ATI video card. Why? Because ATI video cards just worked with linux and every computer which is purchased may run linux at some point (Currently we recycle old desktops to linux file servers, network monitors, gateways, training computers). Install RH, install Suse don't worry about the video card it will just work, because all the computers we purchased had ATI cards. Two months ago I purchased a Dell laptop despite having an Nvidia card. I was assured that it wouldn't be that difficult to get the driver working. After about 2 hours I had it configured and working. I then upgraded my kernel. I had to reset up my drivers. Yeah, this time it only took a few minutes, but what a pain to have to go through those steps and remember what it took to get the video working again. So I went on wishing my laptop had an ATI card. Then a couple of weeks ago one of the techs was going to get a new computer. So we decided that we would make it dual boot and that way we could use it for training and showing linux desktops. I also found out from one of my tech's that one of the VP's is a closet Unreal Tournament fan. Okay so let's slide in a 9800 card and show him how well linux can run it. Well guess what, our simple installation turned into a kernel recompile, configuration setting, documentation web hunt to get it to work. So now when we purchase computers I no longer require that they have ATI video cards. We'll worry about it whenever we switch it over to linux and if we find a reasonably priced card that works easily with linux, then that is what we will buy. We are currently looking at selling a monitoring tool for chemical reactor systems. The OS platform will be linux, the video card?????? But it currently looks like it will be the Nvidia 6800 even though it is proprietary driver I've heard it is easy to install.
They keep screaming about idemnification, idemnification, idemnification.
So 3000 of us form our own companies. Distributing our own OS, looks like linux, smells like linux, but I promise it isn't linux. I'll promise to idemnify you if anyone sues.
Okay they sue, they come after me for $30,000,000,000. because I violate their double-click patent.
I give, I stole the code, here's the only quarter I have
You know, this horse-shit of lying and hiding behind shell companies can work both ways.
hey maybe after Dale over at SCO finishes pissing away that 31 million. We can pitch in and throw money at him to be our linux bitch.
I know some of you people have facilities with T3. But most of us that work with small and medium businesses have fractional T1's or maybe T1 equivalents. ,far distant future I would have to worry about monitoring traffic on a T3 equivalent, but hell your talking twice that volume. I don't think my current firewalls could keep up with that kind of traffic capability.
I thought maybe one day in the far
What do these people in Canada, Japan, and Korea use for firewalls and gateway monitors?
That's what I would like to know.
What, you think we should be concerned about broadband to the rattlesnakes in West Texas, the prairie dogs in Montana and the cornstalks in Iowa?
Well their fucked.
Nice web site though
If it were a movie they would call it On the Water Front. They would have had the Marlon Brando part.
Fu** You MS
You can pry my Linux/FreeBSD disks out of my left hand, once you have pried the 44 mag out of my right.
Cool, I didn't think about this. This really is a difference as far as legalese is concerned. Okay, so it's only a 10 or 20 million dollar difference (legal fees), but hey only 999 more of these and we're talking MS money
So if someone could go and find the loophole in the Virtual Windows patent then that would be 2 today, by 2006 we could have these guys by the balls.
I say we get another group going, working with the Free software foundation and everyother group within the free software foundation and patent everything left over by Microsoft.
/., if you don't mind.
Once MS violates one of the patents, we each throw in a buck. Thats 70 million computer users times 1% (linux users) thats $700,000. Okay scratch that, everybody throw in a $100 bucks. Now that $70 million dollars. Now we have a court case Everybody throw in $10 more bucks, that's 7million bucks, now we can buy media attention.
Now, lets all go around with flyers and concerned looks on our faces asking CTO's whose going to protect us from this MS patent violation. MS says they'll only protect us up to the amount we paid for the software.
Okay, so it's Friday night and I've had a few beers, I can dream can't I.
Seriously, SCO and MS are blatantly taking advantage of rules and laws which we have made to protect our society and culture and it basically pisses me off
The only thing I can think of to do, is get up tomorrow and help somebody in a newsgroup solve their problem with installing linux or working with linux and not be sarcastic about it.
I'll save may rants and explosions of temperament for
Come on Karma.
Yeah, we tried that or tried it and our developers made sure that the app would only work with IE6. So now we have to use one browser for internal apps and another for external web sites. Works great, until you try to explain which web-sites are internal and which are external, after we spent so much time making it transparent to the user.
The developer testing should never be the last step in testing. Developers shouldn't even build the test scenario's. These should be built seperately from customer input and spec's. Scenarios can be reviewed by developers prior to testing, but they shouldn't be doing the actual testing.
Developers during coding develope a mindset of how a user should interact with an application. The users invariably do it differently and the system breaks. So developer only tests for the way he/she thinks the user should work on the system. Then the user uses it and the system breaks.
You usually end up wasting time and money having developers test a system.
I think that the long term problem that this might create is that other countries may quit recognizing our patents. I realize some countries don't, but this creates ammunition for the argument, that too many US patents are meaningless, so therefore should be ignored.
In a world economy we could find US industry and innovation choked up with this patent crap.
Even if somebody tried to do something about it, imagine how much the legal fees would be.
I'm really beginning to believe that MS plans to fight Open Source in the courts.