Wish I could edit my own posts - just as after I sent this I found an interesting article by Tim O'Reilly. He suggests using book sales to measure market trends.
I don't believe this would work. You would be ignoring the large number of illiterate Windows users.
I was talking with a system admin who had gotten a bunch of replies on his server from spam. Not the original spam but the replies. The spam had the wrong return email address. He said he didn't know how many were sent out,but they did get quite a few serious replies. Something like one in ten appeared to be serious out of over 500.
During a branch meeting which I attended there were about 50 attendees. Four of whom were complaining that they were getting spam and had actually replied negatively to some of it. One called the product company trying to get them to stop. I was stunned, all I could do was tell them to never reply, they argued, I said never. I couldn't believe how many of them would even reply for any reason. The most they accomplished was telling the spammers their email address was legitimate and that they read it.
Well, judging from the number of replies and the content of the replies to this topic. It's because we're f****** nuts. I mean that clinically not metaphorically.
This whole spiel is going to be used by MS to show how freaking batty you have to be to be using linux.
Currently my vendor supplies Windows for $125 per system. Suse is only $25 dollars cheaper per system. Percentage wise the cost differentials for servers is about the same, until you start throwing in the CALs. But in small to mid size business, I haven't seen a cost differential that is large enough to make it a none decision. Unless you start looking at unsupported distributions, but then you have to start considering personell to support the systems. Usually you have to start thinking future costs and long term before linux and opensource make sense. So far I haven't run into to many PHB's that can or want to think long term about their IT infrastructure in that way. The only time I have seen a complete mental shift from MS to opensource was when a project got delayed almost 6 weeks due to patches needing to be applied to systems. I doubt that I'll see this again because MS now only releases patches monthly and project planning usually takes this delay into account. Yes, I know this doesn't seem to make sense, because now your spending more resources on something that isn't your project goal. But once it's in the plan it becomes invisible. The only way to counter this is to show that it takes only 2 months to complete a project on opensource, whereas it would take 3 months on MS. This is rarely the case though, because you still have staff that need to be brought up or trained on the opensource equivalent, which in turn increases the time line. And once again it's difficult to get managers to see that this is a training cost that is beneficial long term and is something that is incurred in going from 2000 to 2003 or from 2000 to XP. It's a continuos uphill battle and you have to remember that only half the people out there have above average intelligence. Remember Mom and Dad made sure these kids got MBA's, otherwise how the hell would they make a living.
I hope my neighbor is the first one to get this.
Then I can hack his wireless network and quit paying for my connection.
Just think, we won't have to look for just the insecure wireless small business networks. We have thousands of unsuspecting home comcast users.
We don't need to write no stinking worm-trojan to control their computers, We've got Orinoco gold cards.
It's pretty simple. When filling out an FOIA form you put your name address and phone number. When stealing across the border, you leave a foot print. It is much easier to go after someone that left there name address and phone number.
Maybe we could drop forms and pens in the Arizona desert asking them to fill it out
Maybe we could spread Linux computer terminals powered by solar panels throught out the Southwestern Desert. They could fill out a web form. LINUX PROTECTS OUR BORDERS.
So what, a company that is broke that gets counter sued is still broke. SCO has nothing to lose, that's the main reason they are doing this. They just found a loophole in our legal system and are abusing it. They didn't get that 50M infusion to piss it away trying to sell a product. They already proved they couldn't make money doing that. But they can can take that 50M into court and cause a lot of problems and increase the FUD.
This behavior is literally insane when one of the machines is a home machine or a paperwork pusher's laptop that they use for presentations but need to be able to access corporate documents on the road. I don't care if you you use DNS for secure public key encryption as the normal registration method: the presence of either end's private keys in plain text on local disk is simply nutso and asking to have your armor plated security shell cracked open by any punk with a bootable floppy.
Wow, this is exactly the issue I have run into lately. I can prevent someone from booting to a floppy or to the CD-ROM. but I can't prevent them from taking the harddrive out and installing it on another computer and looking at the setup.
However, the other day I decided to try the Linux kernel's new native IPSEC modules (that have been backported to at least 2.4.24). Using 2.4.24 and KAME it was an absolute pleasure to set up. Works beatifully, and no more patching. You couldn't pay me to return to FreeS/WAN.
Could you publish the steps you went through to accomplish this?
I'm a little new to linux, but have built some kernels before and installed and used FreeS/Wan. I have never heard of KAME until today, but would be interested in trying to set it up.
I think slashdot and groklaw are being used to increase traffic to sites. This is at least the second time I have seen editorials which have no factual basis and can only be described as flame bait. It's the same tactic used by some of the radio announcers and talk show host. Take some position, whether based in fact or not and let the argument start. The key is to stay on that edge and make the audience believe you actually believe Apollo 11 never landed on the moon. Accept it, we are just being used. I can see it now. BBC or some other site reporting that they had 15 gazillion hits. They never have to explain why or how just make an editorial lamely bashing Linux and here come all the hits.
Okay we can agree that what he said is probably true, but I don't think he should have said it. There are places where Linux would make sense to use it on the desktop. Like where the user should be limited in what they are capable of doing. And the fact that they can't readily plug their digital camera into it may be a good thing. Again it may not be ready for the desktop home user, but it may be ready for specific business desktop roles. His statement while correct just adds another argument volley that's difficult to defend. Here's the argument "Well even one of the most prominent business people in the Linux community said it isn't ready, so we have no choice. Let's not think about it lets just go get Windows XP" I just got back from a Office 2003 release program. Even the MS keynote speaker there said you need to think about your business process before deciding what applications you need or how you can use them. Well we've got a lot of things on our mind and things to do, so if the CEO of RedHat says it ain't ready then that's one less thing to think about and make a decision on.
And doesn't this also give the impression that no one within the Linux community really cares about the desktop market. Once you become a prominent figure representing a product, there are certain things you just can't say or shouldn't say.
Here, here. I also have been a RedHat user since 5.2. I sold my stock this morning and bought NOVL. I really think that their personal distro was a great marketing tool and that this may be a really bad decision.
Now the question is can Novell take advantage of what they have just purchased.
They have told me over and over again that 95% of the computers out there are MS. So most of the problems are coming from computers with there operating system. So maybe they should help pay for some of these solutions.
Oh yeah, its because they want us to pay them for the solution.
Okay I've got to give this one to you, you were the first that hit upon their advertising claims. That I think is where they may be liable, but I doubt that any US court will do anything about it. When did it become okay for companies to out and out lie in advertisements.
This isn't just a MS issue. Can we say it's a society issue. Take TV shows they say it's reality and then we find out there definition of reality is someone reads them the script instead of hands it to them and tells them to read it. Or talk shows where actors pretend they are from the hills of Tennessee and they have a sexual relationship nightmare with their 12 year old cousins.
When is it going to stop? When companies get caught cooking their books?
When is somebody going to go up to them and say hey your lying?
"Well we exaggerated".
No you lied and used that lie to obtain money. That's stealing, give back the money and go to jail and meet Bubba, He's from Tennessee and when he says he likes you, he ain't lying, he means it in a lusting manner.
F**kem I have a job. I think that was the exact attitude they had when they shipped your job overseas.
I think it has a great deal to do with why so many jobs are going overseas.
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Back in the 70's we ordered a GM truck. When it arrived at the dealership it said Chevy on one side and GM on the other.
Wish I could edit my own posts - just as after I sent this I found an interesting article by Tim O'Reilly. He suggests using book sales to measure market trends. I don't believe this would work. You would be ignoring the large number of illiterate Windows users.
I was talking with a system admin who had gotten a bunch of replies on his server from spam. Not the original spam but the replies. The spam had the wrong return email address. He said he didn't know how many were sent out,but they did get quite a few serious replies. Something like one in ten appeared to be serious out of over 500.
During a branch meeting which I attended there were about 50 attendees. Four of whom were complaining that they were getting spam and had actually replied negatively to some of it. One called the product company trying to get them to stop.
I was stunned, all I could do was tell them to never reply, they argued, I said never. I couldn't believe how many of them would even reply for any reason. The most they accomplished was telling the spammers their email address was legitimate and that they read it.
Well, judging from the number of replies and the content of the replies to this topic. It's because we're f****** nuts. I mean that clinically not metaphorically.
This whole spiel is going to be used by MS to show how freaking batty you have to be to be using linux.
Currently my vendor supplies Windows for $125 per system. Suse is only $25 dollars cheaper per system. Percentage wise the cost differentials for servers is about the same, until you start throwing in the CALs. But in small to mid size business, I haven't seen a cost differential that is large enough to make it a none decision.
Unless you start looking at unsupported distributions, but then you have to start considering personell to support the systems.
Usually you have to start thinking future costs and long term before linux and opensource make sense. So far I haven't run into to many PHB's that can or want to think long term about their IT infrastructure in that way.
The only time I have seen a complete mental shift from MS to opensource was when a project got delayed almost 6 weeks due to patches needing to be applied to systems. I doubt that I'll see this again because MS now only releases patches monthly and project planning usually takes this delay into account.
Yes, I know this doesn't seem to make sense, because now your spending more resources on something that isn't your project goal. But once it's in the plan it becomes invisible. The only way to counter this is to show that it takes only 2 months to complete a project on opensource, whereas it would take 3 months on MS. This is rarely the case though, because you still have staff that need to be brought up or trained on the opensource equivalent, which in turn increases the time line. And once again it's difficult to get managers to see that this is a training cost that is beneficial long term and is something that is incurred in going from 2000 to 2003 or from 2000 to XP.
It's a continuos uphill battle and you have to remember that only half the people out there have above average intelligence. Remember Mom and Dad made sure these kids got MBA's, otherwise how the hell would they make a living.
Do they have any fliers or advertising stuff. I want to make sure my neighbors get this.
There's some movie's and mp3's I want to download.
I hope my neighbor is the first one to get this.
Then I can hack his wireless network and quit paying for my connection.
Just think, we won't have to look for just the insecure wireless small business networks. We have thousands of unsuspecting home comcast users.
We don't need to write no stinking worm-trojan to control their computers, We've got Orinoco gold cards.
Damn, I went looking for that damn tokamak about 20 yrs ago. Never found it.
It's pretty simple. When filling out an FOIA form you put your name address and phone number. When stealing across the border, you leave a foot print. It is much easier to go after someone that left there name address and phone number.
Maybe we could drop forms and pens in the Arizona desert asking them to fill it out
Maybe we could spread Linux computer terminals powered by solar panels throught out the Southwestern Desert. They could fill out a web form. LINUX PROTECTS OUR BORDERS.
Where do I send them, I want the password for Shania Twain
So what, a company that is broke that gets counter sued is still broke.
SCO has nothing to lose, that's the main reason they are doing this.
They just found a loophole in our legal system and are abusing it. They didn't get that 50M infusion to piss it away trying to sell a product. They already proved they couldn't make money doing that.
But they can can take that 50M into court and cause a lot of problems and increase the FUD.
This behavior is literally insane when one of the machines is a home machine or a paperwork pusher's laptop that they use for presentations but need to be able to access corporate documents on the road. I don't care if you you use DNS for secure public key encryption as the normal registration method: the presence of either end's private keys in plain text on local disk is simply nutso and asking to have your armor plated security shell cracked open by any punk with a bootable floppy.
Wow, this is exactly the issue I have run into lately. I can prevent someone from booting to a floppy or to the CD-ROM. but I can't prevent them from taking the harddrive out and installing it on another computer and looking at the setup.
However, the other day I decided to try the Linux kernel's new native IPSEC modules (that have been backported to at least 2.4.24). Using 2.4.24 and KAME it was an absolute pleasure to set up. Works beatifully, and no more patching. You couldn't pay me to return to FreeS/WAN.
Could you publish the steps you went through to accomplish this?
I'm a little new to linux, but have built some kernels before and installed and used FreeS/Wan. I have never heard of KAME until today, but would be interested in trying to set it up.
And not to make in any more depressing. Some of those in the paper are there for Visa requirements.
I think slashdot and groklaw are being used to increase traffic to sites. This is at least the second time I have seen editorials which have no factual basis and can only be described as flame bait. It's the same tactic used by some of the radio announcers and talk show host. Take some position, whether based in fact or not and let the argument start. The key is to stay on that edge and make the audience believe you actually believe Apollo 11 never landed on the moon.
Accept it, we are just being used.
I can see it now. BBC or some other site reporting that they had 15 gazillion hits. They never have to explain why or how just make an editorial lamely bashing Linux and here come all the hits.
McDonald's, Eckerd's are just a few of the companies which are listed as purchasing SCO products. Oh yeah and microsoft.
What would happen if in the upcoming release of M$ Unix server they find Linux code? Can SCO sue them?
Okay we can agree that what he said is probably true, but I don't think he should have said it. There are places where Linux would make sense to use it on the desktop. Like where the user should be limited in what they are capable of doing. And the fact that they can't readily plug their digital camera into it may be a good thing. Again it may not be ready for the desktop home user, but it may be ready for specific business desktop roles.
His statement while correct just adds another argument volley that's difficult to defend.
Here's the argument "Well even one of the most prominent business people in the Linux community said it isn't ready, so we have no choice. Let's not think about it lets just go get Windows XP"
I just got back from a Office 2003 release program. Even the MS keynote speaker there said you need to think about your business process before deciding what applications you need or how you can use them. Well we've got a lot of things on our mind and things to do, so if the CEO of RedHat says it ain't ready then that's one less thing to think about and make a decision on.
And doesn't this also give the impression that no one within the Linux community really cares about the desktop market.
Once you become a prominent figure representing a product, there are certain things you just can't say or shouldn't say.
Here, here. I also have been a RedHat user since 5.2. I sold my stock this morning and bought NOVL. I really think that their personal distro was a great marketing tool and that this may be a really bad decision.
Now the question is can Novell take advantage of what they have just purchased.
Those of us that work on MS Windows would like something depicting lemmings going off a cliff or maybe lemmings landing head first on the rocks below.
They have told me over and over again that 95% of the computers out there are MS. So most of the problems are coming from computers with there operating system. So maybe they should help pay for some of these solutions.
Oh yeah, its because they want us to pay them for the solution.
X has always had the connotation of experimental. You know like X-1,X-15. So when applied to
DirectX
ActiveX
WindowsXP
OfficeXP
Xbox
WinFX
it fits.
Okay I've got to give this one to you, you were the first that hit upon their advertising claims. That I think is where they may be liable, but I doubt that any US court will do anything about it. When did it become okay for companies to out and out lie in advertisements.
This isn't just a MS issue. Can we say it's a society issue. Take TV shows they say it's reality and then we find out there definition of reality is someone reads them the script instead of hands it to them and tells them to read it. Or talk shows where actors pretend they are from the hills of Tennessee and they have a sexual relationship nightmare with their 12 year old cousins.
When is it going to stop? When companies get caught cooking their books?
When is somebody going to go up to them and say hey your lying?
"Well we exaggerated".
No you lied and used that lie to obtain money. That's stealing, give back the money and go to jail and meet Bubba, He's from Tennessee and when he says he likes you, he ain't lying, he means it in a lusting manner.
What no courses in Visual Studio or .Net programming? What kind of a lame institute is this?
F**kem I have a job. I think that was the exact attitude they had when they shipped your job overseas.
I think it has a great deal to do with why so many jobs are going overseas.
Thanks.
I really thought we weren't that far off, you just pointed me towards a need too clarify or expound.