http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/clef.txt might be a good
symbol - clef being French for key (or so I'm told) - and there are lots and lots of good pictures of it too!
Hrm, I really ought to think before I post. This sort of stuff could be done now. But it'd require rewriting a lot of stuff, or at the very least cleaning it up.
The nice thing about this is that not only does it make everybody's life easier, it makes it easier from every angle - whether they're coding command line or GUI.
The technology is there (I meant the rewriting bit, dammit), but since you would need to rewrite almost everything to make it useful that might resitrct it's usefulness somewhat:( still, I would definitely love something like this. We'll have to see what the two competing desktops bring.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with Visual Basic - and might loath or hate it, but, imagine for example, that, as people imagine you could query how far a tar was progressing simply by using any interfaces it was using.
ie, for example
andy@whore:$
PID TTY TIME CMD
9130 pts/0 00:00:00 tar
andy@whore:$ 9130.status()
23% complete
Would be (seemingly) a fantastic interface.
if commands were implemented as objects rather than an actual executable it would be quite easy to have this sort of approach. Imagine that each executable simply had to implement an interface (think Java stylee)
status() on tar could return a TarStatus object, and thus something like that simply uses.toString().
This unfortunately would require more technology than is currently available, but with move to a very component orientated approach which I think would be a good thing (mm, I like components:)
Although I'm sure this thread is officially "dead"
The fact that NVIDIA has to go through so many hoops is to get them to release source code to it - if they "played by the rules", then, like the Radeon, they wouldn't have to go through these hoops, in fact, they would be in the operating system that people use. Stunning fact that really. And they might actually get fixed too!
Aside from the screaming obvious troll - unless you use perl in your ASP page you are virtually guaranteed that it will only run on IIS. Whereas using systems such as Mason runs on Apache, which is supported by IBM, a very big company that will be around for a very long time.
This is assuming you want to embed this straight into HTML, which I'm personally not the greatest fan of, but that could just be me.
Of course, you can always pay somebody to develop Mason for you, or do it yourself. Something you can't do with ASP. If Microsoft realise that putting content and style together is a really bad idea and create something new then you are stuck, whereas as long as people use Mason in large numbers you are more likely to find people who can help.
So, instead of being able to hire some cheap VB programmers and be stuck to Windows, you might have to hire some programmers who actually have some idea of what they're doing and be able to use both Windows and Unix, as well as having significantly more control over your destiny and the destiny of the tools that you use. It's not quite as cut and dried as you make out.
Network programming isn't so bad in Java. For example, if I have a QuoteServer object locally and my variable of it is called q, then I do
quote = q.getQuote(shr[i].getName());
(Where quote is the variable I want the result to go into)
Now, if I want to use RMI, then instead of doing new QuoteServer(), I have to do Naming.lookup(server/name) - ie, in this case
Naming.lookup(//pandora/name)
And then I can treat it like a local call. Depending on how intertwined with the actual VM this is, I'd assume this can be done with almost anything using Java - so it'd probably be possible to implement something similar to this with SOAP. Dunno though. Not really got the time to implement this myself.
I actually like the cohesion of.NET, but Java is slightly more sophistocated (sorry, I'm too tired to spell that word correctly today) than you seem to believe.
I haven't really had a chance to play with.NET - it's already irritating enough to have to boot into Windows to do some things, but Java's security permissions are not "sandbox" or nothing - this is what SecurityManager's are for - they can be significantly more sophistocated than you seem to point out. How this compares with the.NET model I don't know however (merely a point of discussion).
This allows for example, an unsafe applet to call a safe piece of code, because the code will correctly check the securitymanager. Calls to external components (ie, JNI) are denied by the SecurityManager by default AFAIK
In response to your point about memory leaks in ASP - Apache has a model that (effectively) handles this - by limiting the number of servers that run a given execution.
That said, I must admit I am *drooling* over "auto-objectification" (dunno the correct term, but where an int is dynamically converted into an object where required)
It's not perfect (because of the fact that the things you install don't auto-handle dependencies) but it gives you a nice package style view.
For example, to install IBMs JDK on my box, I just stuck it in/usr/local/stow and then typed stow IBMJDK1.3
And stow then symlinks the files etc straight into/usr/local/ - bin/java etc - and as soon as you want to upgrade you can remove the symlinks and so on.
It stops cruddification of/usr/local at the very least. It's still not perfect (for example, xmms plugins), but it's not horrific.
The best bet would be something like this but to generate packages - if I could pack something into/usr/local/packages/IBMJava1.3 and then do something like stow that would create a mini-debian package and then I could install that, I would have even less trouble. And it would work well for all software that uses configure or anything similar.
Basically in Britain we have a non-commercial broadcaster known as the BBC.
Now, the BBC is not funded by the government, but instead through a license fee. This license fee allows them to provide programming (for both Radio and TV, but you don't need a Radio license) without requiring advertising or sponsorship. And the BBC does produce some good stuff.
The license is set by parliament (think Congress), and is currently about £102 (about $160 or so) for a year, although this can be paid in installments, and people on benefits have their TV license paid for them, as well as some other groups.
The license has some issues which have annoyed people - you have to get a license for at least 3 months (which gets students) and you have to pay even if you don't actually watch the BBC.
BUT, it is nice to watch programs without commercials, and the BBC is not particurly government controlled (and of course, there is always competition from ITV, a terrestrial broadcaster which is commercial). Aside from this, the BBC has produced quite a lot of quality programming, such as Red Dwarf, Blake's 7 (remember this?), Dr Who, and a raft of other shows.
If you buy a TV you have to have a license but you only need one per property, so, for example, your house can have 5 TVs, and only one TV license. And also you can live with non-relatives, but for example, in student halls, each student must have a license because you effectively have a room (sort of like an appartment), which can suck as us poor students aren't loaded and don't get any discounts.
That's a basically summary, and if you look at www.bbc.co.uk they probably have more information on when you need a license in the UK and how much it currently costs (mine was about £102, but it might have recently gone up).
This sounds broadly similar to "WoW", which is the NT way of emulating win16 apps. Indeed, the limitations on Classic apps (all running in the same process space) sounds very very similar
Well, simple watermarking is a fantastic idea. It means that people aren't going to be doing a napster and share music with everyone and his dog, but they're going to be able to lend music to their friends etc. And, assuming it doesn't change the music itself, it shouldn't affect fair use rights.
The only problem I have with this (seemingly) rosy picture is that I'ld be amazed if their watermarks were very a) hard to find and b) robust.
If they're not robust, then diddling a bit with the sound could destroy them. If they are easy to detect then they can be stripped out.
The thing I immediately think of in interpreted code and building is things like emulators and chip simulators (such as that used by Intel for the Itanium)
The problem is that every company out there likes the idea of the new economy, not so that they can provide better quality music or anything else, but because they can extract more money out of people.
They consistently talk about new "business plans", such as rental of music and so forth. I have no problem with pure music rental - it sounds like a good idea - but how long before it becomes the case that *everything* you get in terms of music is rented.
So instead of owning my next Radiohead CD (for example), I would "rent" the songs on it. If I'm a big Radiohead fan, and listen to them all the time, then hey, maybe I should pay a bit more (after all, Amazon do it). Instead of me paying the same as a Beatles fan for a CD, I will pay less because I'm not such a huge Beatles fan. I can see some unintentional advantages of this (encouraging people to expand their musical horizons) but I don't like it one bit. (Think deaths in the family etc also affecting that price)
I would be happy to pay a fair price for access to useful multimedia. Nobody is doing this, they're too busy talking about the next big thing, the next best ideal and they're not offering what the public want. When they do, they might find that there is less rampant piracy.
(For example, try buying Simpsons episodes online)
Overbroad monitoring was a fact of life in communist countries - indeed, if you look at the lifestyles of many of those who did speak out, they weren't particurly pleasant.
By putting a full monitoring system into place you immediately allow such a system to occur. It's not being monitored per-se - most people, except for extremists will understand the necessity of some wiretaps etc. It's bulk monitoring. Many nations, such as Britain (and quite possibly the US) have a number of laws on the books to attempt to stop abuse by the government - and one of them is to give you privacy against search and seizure, and, in certain circumstances, anonymity
In the UK, a huge storm errupted over the fact that a number of members of the current cabinet were spied upon - mostly for being socialist. The British RIP bill allows a vast quantity of information to be recorded about you - and some of this can be looked at by people you know.
If I get my jollies from various obscure forms of (legal) sex, then I might not want Plod who works at the policestation down the road to know - indeed, I don't think he has a right to know unless he has *very good reason*. If I was tapped because I had met with lots of dodgy terroristy like people and so on, and the information was destroyed, and those possessing it were under strict regulation - then I would accept it.
If however, I want to say that the government laws on drugs are wrong, I don't want to be targeted and monitored simply *because* I disagree with governmental policy. I don't think it's right, and I don't think it's just.
By setting up the means to abuse free speech on a large scale you won't have it
(PS, yes, I'm bad at articulating, I'm coding VB at the moment - destroys your brain)
Nvidia Drivers are quick - unfortunately for me (and my friends) they are *NOT* stable.
I found utah-glx - although it had it's moments of instability, at least would generally tend to crash on the same things.
When nVidia announced they were going to release non-DRI drivers, my message to them was *please* release the kernel source code - I don't care if they keep their OGL stuff proprietary, but I don't see why they didn't make all of their bottom level OS stuff freely available - this would mean that it might not be a 200K+ loadable module (200k running in kernel mode... fantastic idea)
I have hell on Windows, and I have hell on Linux (greater hell on Linux) - so for all intents and purposes at the moment I have no choice but to use XFree86's "nv" driver, which has never crashed on me doing 2d operations
Not quite. Yes it runs on Gnome, CDE and KDE, but it's all using qt. you can see this by the slight bitchiness they put in about gnome (the bit about flickering and slow repaints).
TBH, with a well setup system, in the end it *all* goes down to the backend stuff - since gtk and qt look broadly the same. Still needs some work on consistency...
How about writing a program that, upon an instruction being executed, copies a block of 4k ( a page) out of an application.
This should be fine - after all it can have legitimate applications (consider a specialised debugger, or a game cheating app, like an action reply).
Then give away the necessary memory addresses (say two, one for the instruction, and one for the block). They can't really ban two numbers, which could mean anything.
Put them together and you have an infringement device - which shows that in the end it is *absolutely* down to the person who actually uses it. Either on their own should be fine
(Although, obviously, there should be strong non-infringing cases for the application).
Of course, the obvious problem with eliminating searching is that somebody then has to index it. In this case, say I published an article about how AT&T were doing this, that and the other and were behaving unethically. Would they publish this? Probably not.
Then again, the problems of systems like freenet is that the people who really need it would be drowned out by people looking for Britney Spears mp3s/mpegs:|
With the current system of copyright and the fact that so many people want to abuse it, there is never going to be an easy common ground....
(not that I am (necessarily) advocating the destruction of copyright, merely the difficulties of living within an imperfect world)
I sit in a rather small channel (~25 people, mostly ops) and if somebody came on and sat on channel for over a couple of hours, somebody would get suspicious and it would get kickbanned sharpish.
Also most chat networks have problems with bots and people would probably go further in order to teach the people a lesson about monitoring chats:)
You could wrap something pretty effortlessly around apt. Yesterday, to check if my gnapster was the newest (and if not, get a newer one) I typed apt-get install gnapster and it did it all for me;>
Slashdot Mirror
d'oh
:(
www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aces98/clef.txt
I'm feeling stupid now
http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/clef.txt might be a good
symbol - clef being French for key (or so I'm told) - and there are lots and lots of good pictures of it too!
(it's a treble clef, I'm artistically challenged)
TCFKAO (The Client Formerly Known As Openssh)
;>
or just a nice ascii art symbol like a ascii-art blowfish or something
Quick! Call Superman!
Hrm, I really ought to think before I post. This sort of stuff could be done now. But it'd require rewriting a lot of stuff, or at the very least cleaning it up.
:( still, I would definitely love something like this. We'll have to see what the two competing desktops bring.
The nice thing about this is that not only does it make everybody's life easier, it makes it easier from every angle - whether they're coding command line or GUI.
The technology is there (I meant the rewriting bit, dammit), but since you would need to rewrite almost everything to make it useful that might resitrct it's usefulness somewhat
I'm sure many of you are familiar with Visual Basic - and might loath or hate it, but, imagine for example, that, as people imagine you could query how far a tar was progressing simply by using any interfaces it was using.
.toString().
:)
ie, for example
andy@whore:$
PID TTY TIME CMD
9130 pts/0 00:00:00 tar
andy@whore:$ 9130.status()
23% complete
Would be (seemingly) a fantastic interface.
if commands were implemented as objects rather than an actual executable it would be quite easy to have this sort of approach. Imagine that each executable simply had to implement an interface (think Java stylee)
status() on tar could return a TarStatus object, and thus something like that simply uses
This unfortunately would require more technology than is currently available, but with move to a very component orientated approach which I think would be a good thing (mm, I like components
Although I'm sure this thread is officially "dead"
The fact that NVIDIA has to go through so many hoops is to get them to release source code to it - if they "played by the rules", then, like the Radeon, they wouldn't have to go through these hoops, in fact, they would be in the operating system that people use. Stunning fact that really. And they might actually get fixed too!
Aside from the screaming obvious troll - unless you use perl in your ASP page you are virtually guaranteed that it will only run on IIS. Whereas using systems such as Mason runs on Apache, which is supported by IBM, a very big company that will be around for a very long time.
This is assuming you want to embed this straight into HTML, which I'm personally not the greatest fan of, but that could just be me.
Of course, you can always pay somebody to develop Mason for you, or do it yourself. Something you can't do with ASP. If Microsoft realise that putting content and style together is a really bad idea and create something new then you are stuck, whereas as long as people use Mason in large numbers you are more likely to find people who can help.
So, instead of being able to hire some cheap VB programmers and be stuck to Windows, you might have to hire some programmers who actually have some idea of what they're doing and be able to use both Windows and Unix, as well as having significantly more control over your destiny and the destiny of the tools that you use. It's not quite as cut and dried as you make out.
Network programming isn't so bad in Java. For example, if I have a QuoteServer object locally and my variable of it is called q, then I do
.NET, but Java is slightly more sophistocated (sorry, I'm too tired to spell that word correctly today) than you seem to believe.
quote = q.getQuote(shr[i].getName());
(Where quote is the variable I want the result to go into)
Now, if I want to use RMI, then instead of doing new QuoteServer(), I have to do Naming.lookup(server/name) - ie, in this case
Naming.lookup(//pandora/name)
And then I can treat it like a local call. Depending on how intertwined with the actual VM this is, I'd assume this can be done with almost anything using Java - so it'd probably be possible to implement something similar to this with SOAP. Dunno though. Not really got the time to implement this myself.
I actually like the cohesion of
I haven't really had a chance to play with .NET - it's already irritating enough to have to boot into Windows to do some things, but Java's security permissions are not "sandbox" or nothing - this is what SecurityManager's are for - they can be significantly more sophistocated than you seem to point out. How this compares with the .NET model I don't know however (merely a point of discussion).
This allows for example, an unsafe applet to call a safe piece of code, because the code will correctly check the securitymanager. Calls to external components (ie, JNI) are denied by the SecurityManager by default AFAIK
In response to your point about memory leaks in ASP - Apache has a model that (effectively) handles this - by limiting the number of servers that run a given execution.
That said, I must admit I am *drooling* over "auto-objectification" (dunno the correct term, but where an int is dynamically converted into an object where required)
Use stow :)
/usr/local/stow and then typed stow IBMJDK1.3
/usr/local/ - bin/java etc - and as soon as you want to upgrade you can remove the symlinks and so on.
/usr/local at the very least. It's still not perfect (for example, xmms plugins), but it's not horrific.
/usr/local/packages/IBMJava1.3 and then do something like stow that would create a mini-debian package and then I could install that, I would have even less trouble. And it would work well for all software that uses configure or anything similar.
It's not perfect (because of the fact that the things you install don't auto-handle dependencies) but it gives you a nice package style view.
For example, to install IBMs JDK on my box, I just stuck it in
And stow then symlinks the files etc straight into
It stops cruddification of
The best bet would be something like this but to generate packages - if I could pack something into
Basically in Britain we have a non-commercial broadcaster known as the BBC.
Now, the BBC is not funded by the government, but instead through a license fee. This license fee allows them to provide programming (for both Radio and TV, but you don't need a Radio license) without requiring advertising or sponsorship. And the BBC does produce some good stuff.
The license is set by parliament (think Congress), and is currently about £102 (about $160 or so) for a year, although this can be paid in installments, and people on benefits have their TV license paid for them, as well as some other groups.
The license has some issues which have annoyed people - you have to get a license for at least 3 months (which gets students) and you have to pay even if you don't actually watch the BBC.
BUT, it is nice to watch programs without commercials, and the BBC is not particurly government controlled (and of course, there is always competition from ITV, a terrestrial broadcaster which is commercial). Aside from this, the BBC has produced quite a lot of quality programming, such as Red Dwarf, Blake's 7 (remember this?), Dr Who, and a raft of other shows.
If you buy a TV you have to have a license but you only need one per property, so, for example, your house can have 5 TVs, and only one TV license. And also you can live with non-relatives, but for example, in student halls, each student must have a license because you effectively have a room (sort of like an appartment), which can suck as us poor students aren't loaded and don't get any discounts.
That's a basically summary, and if you look at www.bbc.co.uk they probably have more information on when you need a license in the UK and how much it currently costs (mine was about £102, but it might have recently gone up).
If you simply mean the BSD networking stack, it was not GPL compatible, hence couldn't have been part of the kernel.
If you mean actual code base - I got into Linux rather than BSD because it actually worked on the first computer I tried - a 386SX
This sounds broadly similar to "WoW", which is the NT way of emulating win16 apps. Indeed, the limitations on Classic apps (all running in the same process space) sounds very very similar
(WoW = Windows on Windows)
Well, simple watermarking is a fantastic idea. It means that people aren't going to be doing a napster and share music with everyone and his dog, but they're going to be able to lend music to their friends etc. And, assuming it doesn't change the music itself, it shouldn't affect fair use rights. The only problem I have with this (seemingly) rosy picture is that I'ld be amazed if their watermarks were very a) hard to find and b) robust. If they're not robust, then diddling a bit with the sound could destroy them. If they are easy to detect then they can be stripped out.
The thing I immediately think of in interpreted code and building is things like emulators and chip simulators (such as that used by Intel for the Itanium)
The problem is that every company out there likes the idea of the new economy, not so that they can provide better quality music or anything else, but because they can extract more money out of people.
They consistently talk about new "business plans", such as rental of music and so forth. I have no problem with pure music rental - it sounds like a good idea - but how long before it becomes the case that *everything* you get in terms of music is rented.
So instead of owning my next Radiohead CD (for example), I would "rent" the songs on it. If I'm a big Radiohead fan, and listen to them all the time, then hey, maybe I should pay a bit more (after all, Amazon do it). Instead of me paying the same as a Beatles fan for a CD, I will pay less because I'm not such a huge Beatles fan. I can see some unintentional advantages of this (encouraging people to expand their musical horizons) but I don't like it one bit. (Think deaths in the family etc also affecting that price)
I would be happy to pay a fair price for access to useful multimedia. Nobody is doing this, they're too busy talking about the next big thing, the next best ideal and they're not offering what the public want. When they do, they might find that there is less rampant piracy.
(For example, try buying Simpsons episodes online)
This sounds very trolllike, but I'll bite.
Overbroad monitoring was a fact of life in communist countries - indeed, if you look at the lifestyles of many of those who did speak out, they weren't particurly pleasant.
By putting a full monitoring system into place you immediately allow such a system to occur. It's not being monitored per-se - most people, except for extremists will understand the necessity of some wiretaps etc. It's bulk monitoring. Many nations, such as Britain (and quite possibly the US) have a number of laws on the books to attempt to stop abuse by the government - and one of them is to give you privacy against search and seizure, and, in certain circumstances, anonymity
In the UK, a huge storm errupted over the fact that a number of members of the current cabinet were spied upon - mostly for being socialist. The British RIP bill allows a vast quantity of information to be recorded about you - and some of this can be looked at by people you know.
If I get my jollies from various obscure forms of (legal) sex, then I might not want Plod who works at the policestation down the road to know - indeed, I don't think he has a right to know unless he has *very good reason*. If I was tapped because I had met with lots of dodgy terroristy like people and so on, and the information was destroyed, and those possessing it were under strict regulation - then I would accept it.
If however, I want to say that the government laws on drugs are wrong, I don't want to be targeted and monitored simply *because* I disagree with governmental policy. I don't think it's right, and I don't think it's just.
By setting up the means to abuse free speech on a large scale you won't have it
(PS, yes, I'm bad at articulating, I'm coding VB at the moment - destroys your brain)
Nvidia Drivers are quick - unfortunately for me (and my friends) they are *NOT* stable.
I found utah-glx - although it had it's moments of instability, at least would generally tend to crash on the same things.
When nVidia announced they were going to release non-DRI drivers, my message to them was *please* release the kernel source code - I don't care if they keep their OGL stuff proprietary, but I don't see why they didn't make all of their bottom level OS stuff freely available - this would mean that it might not be a 200K+ loadable module (200k running in kernel mode... fantastic idea)
I have hell on Windows, and I have hell on Linux (greater hell on Linux) - so for all intents and purposes at the moment I have no choice but to use XFree86's "nv" driver, which has never crashed on me doing 2d operations
-- Andy (whose next card will be a Radeon)
Not quite. Yes it runs on Gnome, CDE and KDE, but it's all using qt. you can see this by the slight bitchiness they put in about gnome (the bit about flickering and slow repaints).
TBH, with a well setup system, in the end it *all* goes down to the backend stuff - since gtk and qt look broadly the same. Still needs some work on consistency...
How about writing a program that, upon an instruction being executed, copies a block of 4k ( a page) out of an application.
This should be fine - after all it can have legitimate applications (consider a specialised debugger, or a game cheating app, like an action reply).
Then give away the necessary memory addresses (say two, one for the instruction, and one for the block). They can't really ban two numbers, which could mean anything.
Put them together and you have an infringement device - which shows that in the end it is *absolutely* down to the person who actually uses it. Either on their own should be fine
(Although, obviously, there should be strong non-infringing cases for the application).
Of course, the obvious problem with eliminating searching is that somebody then has to index it. In this case, say I published an article about how AT&T were doing this, that and the other and were behaving unethically. Would they publish this? Probably not.
:|
Then again, the problems of systems like freenet is that the people who really need it would be drowned out by people looking for Britney Spears mp3s/mpegs
With the current system of copyright and the fact that so many people want to abuse it, there is never going to be an easy common ground....
(not that I am (necessarily) advocating the destruction of copyright, merely the difficulties of living within an imperfect world)
Those evil bad interns eh? ;>
--
Andy (currently an Intern although, not at nvidia)
I sit in a rather small channel (~25 people, mostly ops) and if somebody came on and sat on channel for over a couple of hours, somebody would get suspicious and it would get kickbanned sharpish.
:)
Also most chat networks have problems with bots and people would probably go further in order to teach the people a lesson about monitoring chats
You could wrap something pretty effortlessly around apt. Yesterday, to check if my gnapster was the newest (and if not, get a newer one) I typed ;>
;>
apt-get install gnapster and it did it all for me
Debian is fantastic