Drinking age is 18, but the police etc are not as anal as people in the US appear to be about drinking. Most people have been drinking for a while at age 16. I first drank enough to "call Europe" at age 16 (albeit in a Hungarian hotel room).
Most people of a young age can get served without being asked for ID, especially out in the country, so it's not that hard to get alcohol. Then again, this might be because it is so hard to get useful photo ID (I'm 20 - my driving license is a useless piece of paper - about the only photoid I have is my passport, and I'm not taking *that* to the pub)
I don't think he argues that closed source will necessarily provide stronger security - from what you say he says a small group of skilled engineers - this does not necessarily imply closed source software - it could easily apply to a system such as OpenBSD. I think he's right however - that this can lead to better code - smaller teams tend to be more secure.
I think he is right that responsible software companies could have patches out faster than OSS projects. They could, especially for less popular projects (they could have a group of coders working through the night or being woken up to fix a bug), however this is not particurly common because it's expensive and most companies see it as a PR issue
>>I work at a manufacturing plant that decided to use NT to control its production lines. When the server quits or refuses to stop taking connections, all the NT clients start bluescreening or hanging. Believe me, that gets your attention every time.
I go to Imperial College and when our NFS file server dies, all the Linux boxes effectively die. It would be interesting to know potential solutions to this (although to be honest, being sans home directory is a touch useless anyway:|
The Windows boxes can still login and do stuff because their registry info is served by a (pretty stable) NT box
What does average user #1 think when they install Debian and realise that Debian can't handle their nvidia graphics card (as an example, nobodys packaged it yet). Let's say this is the first Linux they use.
I don't condone nvidia for making binary only *incredibly unstable* drivers. I think it's a stupid evil idea, and my next card will not be a nvidia card (I was going to get a Geforce 2, but now I might just wait for the new ATI card or get a Voodoo). However, in spite of this, you cannot say to somebody "no, you can't use our software because your card is no good".
if people move to mozilla it'll be because it's better. Removing non-free will simply mean that it is more hassle to install netscape, pine, qmail etc. It, in the end will only hurt Debian and Debian's users - very few of whom use no non-free packages.
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A question for the (European) lawyers out there. I can take my national government to court for failing to protect my rights. Can I take the European Union to court for failing to protect my right to privacy (as enshrined in the European Bill of Human Rights)?
This is true, and unfortunate, but then I'm pragmatic about this stuff. I can actually say more (of what I want to say) in the UK than I can in the U.S. UK newspapers and t.v. are actually freer to publish a wider range of opinions than in the US because they don't have pressure groups and commercial interests holding the advertising leash. Magazines in the UK have published articles that in the US would have seen the magazine lose all its advertisers, and probably have personal threats made to, if not carried out on, its senior staff.
You have a right to freedom of expression. It's in the European Bill of Human Rights to which we're a signatory
http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html
ARTICLE 10
1.Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information an ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
Of course, this is very difficult to use until the European Bill of Human Rights is enshrined in law - as you have to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights in order to actually use your rights.
>>>
You do realize that MS is lying when it says that drivers are at fault. Look at any other freaking closed source OS. The drivers rarely cause the
problems in an OS. BeOS drivers are hacked up by Be engineers based on sketchy specs and still BeOS 5 hasn't crashed yet. Same for Sun,
SGI, and QNX drivers. Take a look at the Windows 95 nVidia drivers. They are rock solid and fast as hell. That's more than I can say for most
OSS projects. So what if it is closed source? Unless you're dealing with a crappy company like S3, drivers are rarely the problem.
Crap, I have a TNT2 and the Windows drivers are laughable. If I play Realvideo, after a couple of runs (maybe just the one), the pointer starts becoming corrupted, along with parts of the screen. I never got this problem with my Matrox card, and people I know with G400s don't either.
I'm not impressed with binary only drivers at all. Where's the support for 2.3.x? Where's the support for FreeBSD? If they released useful, open source drivers then I wouldn't care so much. The work Nathan Hand has been doing on the nvidia cards for the utah-glx project - although restrained by a lack of help from nvidia has shown him to be a lot more useful than nvidia.
Flicking between games and Windows does this too after some iterations, etc. I don't think they've really done as well as they could have done here.
But given the level of dissatisfaction with the people in just my household (three people, each with nvidia cards) and their *Windows* drivers, I'm more than happy to shop around for my next card. Nvidia aren't winning any friends by doing this, and providing a piss poor kernel module.
I run 2.3.99-pre5 - 2.4.0 will be out soon (relatively) - do we have to wait another 6 months before they support that? It's pathetic.
The most entertaining thing is that the Daily Mail is now waging war against the European Bill of Human Rights - and state a lot of things which are a perverted reading at best (for example, that schoolteachers would be powerless to prevent sex between two pupils, *even gay sex*) [the Daily Mail concentrates on things like this.. I assume to shock the Middle England readers].
The paper has its own agenda, and it's quite sickening how they misrepresent so many things. Still, maybe people will eventually stop reading them.
Nvidia are pretty much porting the backend windows interface to Linux. This isn't "doing their own thing" it's trying to make their Windows drivers run on Linux. This is a very bad thing...
There have been more fixed bugs with almost no documentation from the utah-glx team, who have to pretty much guess TNT internals - I trust them a lot more than nvidia to release decent drivers.
The Windows drivers cause most of us extreme hell, I get random corruption while watching anything with RealPlayer, random hangs and crashes (oddly enough I never used to get these with my Matrox card) and we get the occasional 3d glitching. If nvidia want to support Linux, as opposed to being able to tick a checkbox, then they should release open source drivers.
- Andy (whose next card will be the latest Voodoo)
From IRCnet, There have been abusive opers, and they have lost their O-lines for abusing the rules. However, the script kiddies are much much worse. On the channel I spend most of my time on, we have had almost relentless attacks from script kiddies, only prevented by IRCops. I haven't seen them unfairly/killing or K-lining anybody.
Not every network is the same, and the people who "respond" are rarely particurly sensible people - I've known enough IRC script kiddies in my time to see this. If they get kickbanned from a channel, unlike your average user who just thinks "what a bunch of tossers", they aim their revenge squarely at the channel and then take it so that people know that they are all mighty and powerful.
This doesn't totally apply to me, as I'm British, but....
I've been in the way of getting very angry over potentially minor things - most of my peers would not have a clue what was going on. Some of my very close friends would understand, because I would explain it to them.
Out of all the people in my school, maybe 2 or 3 would actually know how I was feeling and why - most of them would probably think I was just being weird or odd. Relying on people who barely know you to say "he's going to kill somebody because he's depressed and miserable" is really stupid - people can be depressed and miserable for all sorts of reasons - and they will, at most, tell their closest friends about it. Your average peer wouldn't get a look in.
I think it's more likely because the current charts (at least here in the UK) are really really appalling. As well as this, CD prices have gone up. It's meant that instead of going to a big retail store, where they want to charge me 17 quid for a CD, I will get it off the Internet (legally, as in, buy it) or buy it when I go over to the States.
Watching "Top of the Pops" on Friday night was amusing - every single song in the Top 20 sucked really really hard.
Oh it was no desire to denigrate your work - I was very impressed at the quality of documentation.
the opennap one was very nice to read - similar to the IRC RFC. (except more readable) Made me want to implement a client (given that the current ones, bar "nap" seem to suck - either not sharing (which isn't very fair or nice) or crashing randomly.
It's not so much being thieving, it's getting at what is ours (IMO, sod licensing, I brought that DVD and I think I have a right to read it).
Just my opinion of course:)
Unfortunately the law (and most companies) don't agree with me, because there is the urge to make as much money as possible, and not to give consumers their "fair use".
If you did this, you could put it into the capabilities system, something like CAP_SOMEBODY or something might be an idea (makes more sense in NT where you have "everyone" instead of others;>
There's a capability for root to read all files, so it wouldn't seem too out of place. Float it past Linus?
How restricted would you make it? Just files it owns, or files it's in the same group as? If you did it with files in the same group as, you might be able to have a special option for mailers (although, being able to bind low ports gives you enough rights really)..
Anyway, somebody more qualified should comment, I can't envisage it being too hard (hah, famous last words!)
things like apt, and the ports facility of FreeBSD handle this fine. (apt is the debian packaging manager). Apt still needs a good GUI, but that is about it - it has almost everything else there.
Installing a new package installs all the necessary things - I think that dselect still needs a lot of work, as does apt-gnome, but the groundwork is there for this to be improved - somebody just needs to tidy it up.
Yeah I just wasn't thinking long enough to come up with a YYMMDD format idea;> Long day, trying to work round bugs in activex controls and HTML and so on
Even so, what I was meaning (hah!) was that if there was no zero stringy thingy, then if you did Year/Month/Day, what day is 1999112 - the 12th of January or the 2nd of November, sort of thing. So it would seem insane to not zero-pad.
I'm absolutely sure I'm missing something though, I just don't know what:(
From what I understand (and I bet I'm wrong) people used to store 9999 as the end of file marker. And people are thinking that dates will be stored the same way? Or was EOF 9/9/99, which would just be blindingly stupid (why use a totally unnecessary slash when you can zero-pad the string - at worst you lose nothing, at best you save two bytes)
So surely if it was just 9999 at the end of a file, dates would be handled a different way (consider 99111 - 1st of November or 11th of January?)
I could be totally mistaken here, I just don't get what the problem is supposed to be
Surely you would have to use an approach like this (padding the fields) as otherwise what is the difference between (in YYDDMM format) 99212 and 99212
(consider, 21/2/99 and 2/12/99) PS: I'm British, dd/mm/yy:) ANd I'm sure there are similar things Not 0 padding dates would have f*cked up things long before this surely? Or am I missing something?
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Drinking age is 18, but the police etc are not as anal as people in the US appear to be about drinking. Most people have been drinking for a while at age 16. I first drank enough to "call Europe" at age 16 (albeit in a Hungarian hotel room).
Most people of a young age can get served without being asked for ID, especially out in the country, so it's not that hard to get alcohol. Then again, this might be because it is so hard to get useful photo ID (I'm 20 - my driving license is a useless piece of paper - about the only photoid I have is my passport, and I'm not taking *that* to the pub)
I don't think he argues that closed source will necessarily provide stronger security - from what you say he says a small group of skilled engineers - this does not necessarily imply closed source software - it could easily apply to a system such as OpenBSD. I think he's right however - that this can lead to better code - smaller teams tend to be more secure.
I think he is right that responsible software companies could have patches out faster than OSS projects. They could, especially for less popular projects (they could have a group of coders working through the night or being woken up to fix a bug), however this is not particurly common because it's expensive and most companies see it as a PR issue
>>I work at a manufacturing plant that decided to use NT to control its production lines. When the server quits or refuses to stop taking connections, all the NT clients start bluescreening or hanging. Believe me, that gets your attention every time.
:|
I go to Imperial College and when our NFS file server dies, all the Linux boxes effectively die. It would be interesting to know potential solutions to this (although to be honest, being sans home directory is a touch useless anyway
The Windows boxes can still login and do stuff because their registry info is served by a (pretty stable) NT box
They don't taint it, but it is available.
What does average user #1 think when they install Debian and realise that Debian can't handle their nvidia graphics card (as an example, nobodys packaged it yet). Let's say this is the first Linux they use.
I don't condone nvidia for making binary only *incredibly unstable* drivers. I think it's a stupid evil idea, and my next card will not be a nvidia card (I was going to get a Geforce 2, but now I might just wait for the new ATI card or get a Voodoo). However, in spite of this, you cannot say to somebody "no, you can't use our software because your card is no good".
if people move to mozilla it'll be because it's better. Removing non-free will simply mean that it is more hassle to install netscape, pine, qmail etc. It, in the end will only hurt Debian and Debian's users - very few of whom use no non-free packages.
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I see somebody is playing with Cross Site Scripting (well, same site really).
A question for the (European) lawyers out there. I can take my national government to court for failing to protect my rights. Can I take the European Union to court for failing to protect my right to privacy (as enshrined in the European Bill of Human Rights)?
If so, then this might not fly for very long
This is true, and unfortunate, but then I'm pragmatic about this stuff. I can actually say more (of what I want to say) in the UK than I can in the
U.S. UK newspapers and t.v. are actually freer to publish a wider range of opinions than in the US because they don't have pressure groups and
commercial interests holding the advertising leash. Magazines in the UK have published articles that in the US would have seen the magazine
lose all its advertisers, and probably have personal threats made to, if not carried out on, its senior staff.
You have a right to freedom of expression. It's in the European Bill of Human Rights to which we're a signatory
http://www.hri.org/docs/ECHR50.html
ARTICLE 10
1.Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. this right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information an ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.
Of course, this is very difficult to use until the European Bill of Human Rights is enshrined in law - as you have to go all the way to the European Court of Human Rights in order to actually use your rights.
Can somebody please explain exactly what happened here and why I missed people going utterly ballistically mad? I'm amazed that RMS accepted this...
>>>
You do realize that MS is lying when it says that drivers are at fault. Look at any other freaking closed source OS. The drivers rarely cause the
problems in an OS. BeOS drivers are hacked up by Be engineers based on sketchy specs and still BeOS 5 hasn't crashed yet. Same for Sun,
SGI, and QNX drivers. Take a look at the Windows 95 nVidia drivers. They are rock solid and fast as hell. That's more than I can say for most
OSS projects. So what if it is closed source? Unless you're dealing with a crappy company like S3, drivers are rarely the problem.
Crap, I have a TNT2 and the Windows drivers are laughable. If I play Realvideo, after a couple of runs (maybe just the one), the pointer starts becoming corrupted, along with parts of the screen. I never got this problem with my Matrox card, and people I know with G400s don't either.
I'm not impressed with binary only drivers at all. Where's the support for 2.3.x? Where's the support for FreeBSD? If they released useful, open source drivers then I wouldn't care so much. The work Nathan Hand has been doing on the nvidia cards for the utah-glx project - although restrained by a lack of help from nvidia has shown him to be a lot more useful than nvidia.
Flicking between games and Windows does this too after some iterations, etc. I don't think they've really done as well as they could have done here.
Maybe he can't
But given the level of dissatisfaction with the people in just my household (three people, each with nvidia cards) and their *Windows* drivers, I'm more than happy to shop around for my next card. Nvidia aren't winning any friends by doing this, and providing a piss poor kernel module.
I run 2.3.99-pre5 - 2.4.0 will be out soon (relatively) - do we have to wait another 6 months before they support that? It's pathetic.
- Andy (who's waiting for the Voodoo 6)
The most entertaining thing is that the Daily Mail is now waging war against the European Bill of Human Rights - and state a lot of things which are a perverted reading at best (for example, that schoolteachers would be powerless to prevent sex between two pupils, *even gay sex*) [the Daily Mail concentrates on things like this.. I assume to shock the Middle England readers].
The paper has its own agenda, and it's quite sickening how they misrepresent so many things. Still, maybe people will eventually stop reading them.
Nvidia are pretty much porting the backend windows interface to Linux. This isn't "doing their own thing" it's trying to make their Windows drivers run on Linux. This is a very bad thing...
There have been more fixed bugs with almost no documentation from the utah-glx team, who have to pretty much guess TNT internals - I trust them a lot more than nvidia to release decent drivers.
The Windows drivers cause most of us extreme hell, I get random corruption while watching anything with RealPlayer, random hangs and crashes (oddly enough I never used to get these with my Matrox card) and we get the occasional 3d glitching. If nvidia want to support Linux, as opposed to being able to tick a checkbox, then they should release open source drivers.
- Andy (whose next card will be the latest Voodoo)
From IRCnet, There have been abusive opers, and they have lost their O-lines for abusing the rules. However, the script kiddies are much much worse. On the channel I spend most of my time on, we have had almost relentless attacks from script kiddies, only prevented by IRCops. I haven't seen them unfairly /killing or K-lining anybody.
Not every network is the same, and the people who "respond" are rarely particurly sensible people - I've known enough IRC script kiddies in my time to see this. If they get kickbanned from a channel, unlike your average user who just thinks "what a bunch of tossers", they aim their revenge squarely at the channel and then take it so that people know that they are all mighty and powerful.
This doesn't totally apply to me, as I'm British, but....
I've been in the way of getting very angry over potentially minor things - most of my peers would not have a clue what was going on. Some of my very close friends would understand, because I would explain it to them.
Out of all the people in my school, maybe 2 or 3 would actually know how I was feeling and why - most of them would probably think I was just being weird or odd. Relying on people who barely know you to say "he's going to kill somebody because he's depressed and miserable" is really stupid - people can be depressed and miserable for all sorts of reasons - and they will, at most, tell their closest friends about it. Your average peer wouldn't get a look in.
I think it's more likely because the current charts (at least here in the UK) are really really appalling. As well as this, CD prices have gone up. It's meant that instead of going to a big retail store, where they want to charge me 17 quid for a CD, I will get it off the Internet (legally, as in, buy it) or buy it when I go over to the States.
Watching "Top of the Pops" on Friday night was amusing - every single song in the Top 20 sucked really really hard.
Oh it was no desire to denigrate your work - I was very impressed at the quality of documentation.
the opennap one was very nice to read - similar to the IRC RFC. (except more readable) Made me want to implement a client (given that the current ones, bar "nap" seem to suck - either not sharing (which isn't very fair or nice) or crashing randomly.
There's also one at
http://opennap.sourceforge.net/napster.txt
which, although I dunno how accurate it is, is distinctly more readable and understandable.
It's not so much being thieving, it's getting at what is ours (IMO, sod licensing, I brought that DVD and I think I have a right to read it).
:)
Just my opinion of course
Unfortunately the law (and most companies) don't agree with me, because there is the urge to make as much money as possible, and not to give consumers their "fair use".
If you did this, you could put it into the capabilities system, something like CAP_SOMEBODY or something might be an idea (makes more sense in NT where you have "everyone" instead of others ;>
There's a capability for root to read all files, so it wouldn't seem too out of place. Float it past Linus?
How restricted would you make it? Just files it owns, or files it's in the same group as? If you did it with files in the same group as, you might be able to have a special option for mailers (although, being able to bind low ports gives you enough rights really)..
Anyway, somebody more qualified should comment, I can't envisage it being too hard (hah, famous last words!)
things like apt, and the ports facility of FreeBSD handle this fine. (apt is the debian packaging manager). Apt still needs a good GUI, but that is about it - it has almost everything else there.
Installing a new package installs all the necessary things - I think that dselect still needs a lot of work, as does apt-gnome, but the groundwork is there for this to be improved - somebody just needs to tidy it up.
Yeah I just wasn't thinking long enough to come up with a YYMMDD format idea ;> Long day, trying to work round bugs in activex controls and HTML and so on
:(
Even so, what I was meaning (hah!) was that if there was no zero stringy thingy, then if you did Year/Month/Day, what day is 1999112 - the 12th of January or the 2nd of November, sort of thing. So it would seem insane to not zero-pad.
I'm absolutely sure I'm missing something though, I just don't know what
"When something seems to easy, it usually is"
From what I understand (and I bet I'm wrong) people used to store
9999 as the end of file marker. And people are thinking that dates will be stored the same way? Or was EOF 9/9/99, which would just be blindingly stupid (why use a totally unnecessary slash when you can zero-pad the string - at worst you lose nothing, at best you save two bytes)
So surely if it was just 9999 at the end of a file, dates would be handled a different way (consider 99111 - 1st of November or 11th of January?)
I could be totally mistaken here, I just don't get what the problem is supposed to be
-- Andy
(feeling very clueless today)
Surely you would have to use an approach like this (padding the fields) as otherwise what is the difference between (in YYDDMM format)
:)
99212 and 99212
(consider, 21/2/99 and 2/12/99)
PS: I'm British, dd/mm/yy
ANd I'm sure there are similar things
Not 0 padding dates would have f*cked up things long before this surely? Or am I missing something?
downloading warez and porn takes up almost no CPU time, and the SETI@home chunks don't take up that much bandwidth ;>
:P
Doesn't seem mutually exclusive to me