If you wouldn't listen to JP's opinion about his two most prolific enemies, why should I listen to Ken and Brian about one of their most prolific enemies?
It's called GETTING ALL SIDES OF THE STORY. Something that goes hand in hand with making INFORMED DECISIONS, and engaging in RATIONAL THOUGHT. Maybe you should look into it?
I don't know John V. like you cyber-geeks do, so just looking at this from a new-to-linux, newbie point of view, I really see John's side of events. Sure he sounds like a politician, but get real. The questions posed were the *best* of the bunch? No wonder he chose not to answer them, but instead give answers in a general sort of way.
I honestly go to know more about attrition.org and antionline by reading his comments than in several months of reading websites (particularly slashdot).
Why the animosity ppl? Most of the original posts did seem like they were written by crackers, and 13 year old ones at that.
Stuart
So you learned more about attrition and packetstorm by listening to a vitriol spewing enemy of those 2 sites than by going to the sites yourself? What did you learn? That JP hates both of those sites? Everyone knows that. There was only ONE silly question sent in. MY question was perfectly legitimate. I wanted to know what led him to catagorize attrition.org as a destructive website. He refused to answer any of the questions and instead gave those of us who had reserved judgement hoping he would say something sensible a reason to ignore him as a troll.
Does anyone have an e-mail contact for ol' JP there? Since he refused to answer my question I'd like to ask him again through e-mail, over and over and over and over and over and over again until I get a response. I'm tired of him dodging EVERY question that he's asked that doesn't make him look like the god of network security.
Ok everybody! There's some REALLY NEAT STUFF at the Intel booth! Everyone go to the Intel booth! (Watch as 15,000 people surge to the Intel Booth, causing it to be trampled into the ground.) Ok Everybody! There's someone spreading FUD in the Ziff Davis booth! Everyone go to the Ziff Davis Booth! (Watch as 15,000 people surge to the Ziff Davis booth, causing it to be trampled into the ground.)
Repeat for the entire week.
Hey, it could make Comdex fun again!
Woohoo! Slashdot the booths! Hehehe, I can just picture someone asking 'What happened to the Transmeta booth?' 'They got slashdotted.' 'What do you mean slashdotted? They are a booth!' 'Well, that giant crowd of guys in slashdot t-shirts charged over and trampled the booth seconds after they announced that specs on their processor were available.'
Kintanon must believe that the Corpratist US government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Most governments are bad, the US has committed 'atrocitys' just as china has, mostly out of its borders, but Kent state and Waco come to mind.
Though the US government may not be as bad as the Chinese, its still pretty bad, esp when talking about things like the NSA and bulding wiretaping into TCP ip. The tienanmin square riot was over 9 years ago, and china has gone through 3 leaders since then. They are actively trying to change to a more capitalist economic system. China under Jhang Zamin, or whoever, is not the same as Russia under Stalin
You are absolutely correct. I believe that the linux community should in no way endorse the actions of the US government in its present form. In fact, it would be nice if someone issued a statement to that effect. Can you please point me to any portion of any post which implies that we SHOULD be endorsing the US government? I am very much against the policies and practices of most governments on earth. In my opinion even the concept of a political government is an obscenity and they should not exist. Community government is a far better and more effective entity.
Every super-power does it (AFAIK The US hasn't done mass murder on it's citizens, ignoring the Branch Davidians as debatable, since they almost wiped out the Native Americans). Oh yes They were not citizens.
But, the fact that your victims are your citizens or someone elses should not matter.
So: We should have nothing to do with the U$A because of: The millions of Vietnamese they massacred. The hundreds of thousands of Iraqis they massacred. The violations of sovereignty in Grenada and Panama. The dirty wars against Nicaragua (a democracy at the time!) Cuba, New Zealand (not well known but I live in Aotearoa, so I know about that). The American complicity in the invasion of and genocide in East Timor.
Ok. Lets boycott China (Tibet is as good an excuse as any) or Russia (Chechnya) or (insert world powers name here) but lets also boycott the U$A.
Kintanon, get off the grass! Once you start saying one state is so awful that you do not want to deal with it, it is just a matter of degree for *all* states.
Since you are apparently so feeble minded as to understand simple english I will attempt to explain this ONE MORE TIME in small words.
ESR is saying: We do not endorse (condone, back up, support) the actions of the Chinese Communist Government (They call themselves communist so in order to be clear as to which government is referred to here it must have communist in the title) or any other government which oppresses its citizens. This statement deals specifically with the chinese government because of the article recently posted concerning their adoption of Linux as an operating system.
He WAS NOT advocating a Boycott of China, nor was he saying we should disallow the use of Linux in any country. He was saying that the principles of the linux community were not neccesarily those of the Chinese government. This was in the hopes that he would cut off the dozens of Microsurfs who would point at the deal and proclaim Linux the OS of Communist Dictators and hence 'Un-American'.
If you wish to discuss the atrocities of the US government we can do so, but that would be offtopic in this thread.
There is a huge, gaping hole where your knowledge of the feudalistic and oppressive Chinese emperors (and the powers behind the throne) should have been.
Oh, and remember to smile when the WoD "cops" break down your door in their hunt for drug users.
As oppressive as feudal china was I must adjust my statement somewhat. China is just as oppresive as anytime in the last 200 years, while the US has made decent strides towards less oppression.
And when the Cops break down my door they better damn well have knocked politely and shown me a search warrant first, or they'll be facing the business end of a large arsenal of weapons.
Before you are so hasty to bash the Chinese, remember that they didn't elect their own government. I think that it's good ( for the Chinese people ) that the government there are adopting linux, even though I don't like their government
Nowhere in my statement was any derogetory remark about the chinese people. My statement referred specifically to the actions of the chinese government. Elected or not makes no difference. The US government is elected yet we still disapprove of things they do to the citizens.
You seem to be the one who's reading stuff which isn't there. ESR talks about "Communism" in the above referenced article. The vast majority of the article is in the abstract, only one sentence is specific to China. Epeeist starts this thread by saying "He can keep his libertarian politics and naive statements about communism to himself.". You then start talking about the actions of the Chinese government.
The two are not equvilant, one can be a supporter of a system practiced by a government without being a supporter of the government. If you wish to criticise Epeeist's views on communism then you should do it purely upon the qualities of communism.
Ok, to clarify, Epeeist was referring to ESR's statement, ESR was referring specifically to the actions of the communist chinese government. In the same paragraph ESR stated that the ideals of communism were supported by many in the linux community, but that those people did not support the actions of the chinese government. This entire conversation is ONLY in relation to the Chinese government which calls itself a communist government. ESR made no statements about communism in general, only that of the chinese government in specific. Epeeist apparently feels that ESR's view of the communist chinese goverment is 'naive'. By following this statement to its logical conclusion I would say that Epeeist must believe that the communist chinese government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Epeeist read ESR's statement as being a comment on communist ideals in general, the only statement about general communist ideals was the statement that many in the community agree with them. The rest of the paragraph was directed at communist china and the atrocities performed by that government. NOW do you understand what I was talking about?
For Americans to condemn China as repressive is quite hypocritical; how quickly we forget centuries of slavery that cost millions of African lives to build the plantation econonmy, or the millions of Native people who had to be swept aside in the name of "manifest destiny". The PRC never did anything like that! Nor should we forget that the U.S. currently has the largest incarcerated population in the world; this slave labor is used by many corporations, including Microsoft Dan Axtell dax@mail1.nai.net
I'd say the US has come a long way in 200 years, while China is still just as oppresive as it ever was, maybe more so. At least the US government is trying to improve the quality of life for its people, and USUALLY doesn't go around slaughtering people who disagree with its policies.
I don't think that you can say that china->government == communism. I think it's fair to say that "The Linux Community" (If such a thing exists) doesn't condone the actions of the US government, such as crypto export restrictions, the CDA, S795 etc.
This however does not translate to an automatic condemnation of capitalism.
Nor did anyone automatically condemn communism. The actions of the chinese government which claims to be communist were condemned. Stop reading things into the article that weren't there people.
I base it on this statement. I didn't say it had anything to do with linux. But apparently you believe that his views on Chinese Communism are naive. So do you think that the Chinese government is not killing its own people? I refer you back to the portion of the article in which he stated that the Ideals of marxist communism were supported by many in the free software movement, but that the actions of the Chinese government were not condoned by the linux community at large. I don't see how you can possibly disagree with this unless you do in fact support the actions of the chinese government.
ESR does not speak for me on this. He can keep his libertarian politics and naive statements about communism to himself.
So you support the mass murder of chinese citizens by their own government?
He said that plenty of people approved of the ideals of marxist communism. But even those people don't see communist China as anything other than a rapacious, oppressive, and violent regime.
I have to say, even if the target is M$, I find stupid lawsuits really galling. The ad agency probably bought, what, a dozen licenses? Which means M$'s monopolistic practices cost them about $500. It's barely worth going to small claims court, and they are probably suing for several million. *sigh*
Ok, win95/NT/Office97 licenses cost the company I work for around 5000$, Win95 regularly crashes on our accounting and human resources people destroying critical data or requiring us to restore it from a backup. This takes up their time and my time. The total cost of ownership to this company from Microsoft products is probably around 10K a year. Not including licensing. I'd say that a lawsuit is perfectly in order.
Kintanon PS. Anyone interesting in joining my class action against MS contact sleffer@home.com
Some bands (and musicians) aren't touring type bands. They work in the studio. And how many bands have you seen that play as well live as they do in the studio? If the recording studio is out of date, so is the software industry. By my last check, I can record 24-bit digital music. Can your cd player play that? Can mp3 encode it? Granted, the gear isn't nearly the price it used to be, so it has naturally changed. Selling music is a business. Giving it away is, something else..
If the only reason the band sounds good is because their music has been 'edited' in the studio then they don't need to be making music. And if no one can listen to 24-bit digital music then what is the purpose of producing it? Selling music should NOT be a business, anymore than playing Baseball or Basketball should be. These are things people should be doing for fun, not for money. If people want to give the artists money then that's great. But having an 'entertainment industry' is just rediculous.
Well, as many people here seem to be forgetting, the 4th ammendment only covers searches conducted by the government or an agent of said government (the police, fbi, fcc, somebody acting on behalf of the police, etc...)
CMU is not, as far as I know, any kind of government agent - therefore though they may be guilty of breaking into computers, it is by no means "illegal search and seizure"
That is correct. Instead of 'illegal search and seizure' it's called 'Breaking and Entering' in most places when a private entity does something like this. Do you think CMU could raid your dorm without a warrant? They may be able to, but they shouldn't be able to.
First of all, if you listen only to net "radio" stations that have a right and license to broadcast all of the music they use, then great, no problem. However, if your are listening to streaming broadcasts of illegally distributed MP3 files, then you are just as guilty as the person broadcasting (at least for a moral, if not legal perspective).
As far as I know all of the mp3s I listen to are legal as either I own them or the person who is streaming them owns them. Last time I checked letting someone else listen to your music for free wasn't illegal, and if it is I'd better throw away my speakers and get some headphones because my girlfriend has been illegaly listening to my music for months now....
Of course I know, I am in the frickin' business. So you are saying that the record companies that shell out thousands of dollars to record, market, distribute the cd, do not deserve any money for their efforts to bring you music that can be played anywhere these days? What about the record companies that are owned by the artists? Do you even know how much work is put into making a cd to market? Do you know how expensive recording studios can run, per hour? SOMEONE has to pay for all that stuff. It's a frickin' business.
Oh? And why do they have to do that? If the entire idea is to draw people to concerts so that the band can make money then the band just has to record a couple of the live concert versions and send them out for free. Voila, song is done. They make money from the concerts. Recording studios are outdated. So is most of the recording industry.
Yea sure. You try explaining how state law doesn't apply to you.
1:The officer won't care - I'd be willing to bet you won't be ticketed, you'll be arrested too. (I'd bet you're one of those morons who doesn't have insurance either, eh?)
2:The judge won't care how many URLS you throw at him, he'll throw several different law books back at you and your lawyer (and remember, "The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client").
3:The big guy named bubba you share your cell with won't care - he'll just thank you nightly for not paying your stupid car tabs.
Get real - you're violating state law in all 50 states. Just because you can find a frigging URL that says otherwise means nothing.
Ooooh, look who didn't do his research and is spouting off without any knowledge whatsoever. The URLs that Soldier listed are the URLs that lead to researched and proven legal precedent for lving in the US without any kind of state/federal registration. He's perfectly within EVERY law in EVERY state because the state laws don't apply to him in these specific cases because he has placed himself under the jurisdiction of a higher law which over rules those (more or less). There is no law which states you must specifically have a US drivers license to drive a car in the US.
I will have nothing to do with work on CSS. If there is any work that I may be considered to have ownership of, I give up all rights to that work.
Yeah, he got raped by room 101. They grabbed him, tore him apart, and dumped his pieces back into the sewer. It's a shame, we need to support him as best we can. Primarily by distributing the source code as far as we can.
You're nothing but a lame pirate. There's nothing rebellious or cool about what you are doing... there are 12-year old kids who do the same thing. Grow up.
So someone who has a different value system than you is automatically a 'lame pirate' who needs to 'grow up'? It seems you might want to examine the logic behind his position before you flame it. I rarely purchase music, now that I can listen to streaming mp3 sites, and radio stations all over the world I have no need to download MP3s or Pay for music in any fashion. Am I now a 'lame pirate' as well? Considering that most artists make their money from concerts, not from radio play or CD sales it's almost meaningless to the artist whether they sell CDs or not as long as they get a good concert turn out. Korn even posted Mp3s of their own songs on their website and were forced by their record label to remove them. How is this protecting Korns IP? The Recording industry is bloated and corrupt. The artists would do better releasing a couple of songs for free on Mp3 and then doing a tour.
I remember visiting AntiOnline a few days after the packetstorm incident by following a link from slashdot, and being bounced with a message that read something like 'The page you are being refered by is a known hacker website...' Can you please explain how you classified Slashdot, a site which reports news, does interviews, and encourages discussion as a Hacker website?
What is the basis for your attacks on security Experts such as Attrition.org?
To Clarify the question: Why do you proclaim them to be 'dangerous hackers' while they do essentially the same thing you claim to do, except that they do so better, faster, and more professionally.
I have corresponded with TRUSTe about this issue and have had a complaint # (2363) assigned. I have not received any kind of final response, and have had no response from Microsoft.
You may be interested in joining a class action suit against microsoft. If so then e-mail Sleffer@home.com At this moment I have one of the most succesful Class action lawyers in the country looking into my options for a class action against MS, feel free to e-mail me if you wish to join.
IMO, the Pentagon is probably hoping that the lack of any offensive information warfare activity on their part will prevent, for example, Serbia from actively trying to bring down the electronic keystones of the US economy
Yeah, just wait until some 2nd world country manages to DoS Slashdot and take credit for it. Two hundred thousand angry geeks will have reduced their entire information infrastructure to a smoking pile of toaster parts within seconds.
Slashdot Mirror
If you wouldn't listen to JP's opinion about his two most prolific enemies, why should I listen to Ken and Brian about one of their most prolific enemies?
It's called GETTING ALL SIDES OF THE STORY.
Something that goes hand in hand with making INFORMED DECISIONS, and engaging in RATIONAL THOUGHT. Maybe you should look into it?
Kintanon
I don't know John V. like you cyber-geeks do, so just looking at this from a new-to-linux, newbie point of view, I really see John's side of events. Sure he sounds like a politician, but get real. The questions posed were the *best* of the bunch? No wonder he chose not to answer them, but instead give answers in a general sort of way.
I honestly go to know more about attrition.org and antionline by reading his comments than in several months of reading websites (particularly slashdot).
Why the animosity ppl? Most of the original posts did seem like they were written by crackers, and 13 year old ones at that.
Stuart
So you learned more about attrition and packetstorm by listening to a vitriol spewing enemy of those 2 sites than by going to the sites yourself? What did you learn? That JP hates both of those sites? Everyone knows that. There was only ONE silly question sent in. MY question was perfectly legitimate. I wanted to know what led him to catagorize attrition.org as a destructive website. He refused to answer any of the questions and instead gave those of us who had reserved judgement hoping he would say something sensible a reason to ignore him as a troll.
Kintanon
Does anyone have an e-mail contact for ol' JP there? Since he refused to answer my question I'd like to ask him again through e-mail, over and over and over and over and over and over again until I get a response. I'm tired of him dodging EVERY question that he's asked that doesn't make him look like the god of network security.
JP = Total Ass hole.
Kintanon
Ok everybody! There's some REALLY NEAT STUFF at the Intel booth! Everyone go to the Intel booth! (Watch as 15,000 people surge to the Intel Booth, causing it to be trampled into the ground.)
Ok Everybody! There's someone spreading FUD in the Ziff Davis booth! Everyone go to the Ziff Davis Booth! (Watch as 15,000 people surge to the Ziff Davis booth, causing it to be trampled into the ground.)
Repeat for the entire week.
Hey, it could make Comdex fun again!
Woohoo! Slashdot the booths! Hehehe, I can just picture someone asking
'What happened to the Transmeta booth?'
'They got slashdotted.'
'What do you mean slashdotted? They are a booth!'
'Well, that giant crowd of guys in slashdot t-shirts charged over and trampled the booth seconds after they announced that specs on their processor were available.'
Kintanon
Kintanon must believe that the Corpratist US government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Most governments are bad, the US has committed 'atrocitys' just as china has, mostly out of its borders, but Kent state and Waco come to mind.
Though the US government may not be as bad as the Chinese, its still pretty bad, esp when talking about things like the NSA and bulding wiretaping into TCP ip. The tienanmin square riot was over 9 years ago, and china has gone through 3 leaders since then. They are actively trying to change to a more capitalist economic system. China under Jhang Zamin, or whoever, is not the same as Russia under Stalin
You are absolutely correct. I believe that the linux community should in no way endorse the actions of the US government in its present form. In fact, it would be nice if someone issued a statement to that effect. Can you please point me to any portion of any post which implies that we SHOULD be endorsing the US government? I am very much against the policies and practices of most governments on earth. In my opinion even the concept of a political government is an obscenity and they should not exist. Community government is a far better and more effective entity.
Kintanon
This is BS.
Kintanon's comments are naive.
Nobody is saying they approve mass murder.
Every super-power does it (AFAIK The US hasn't done mass murder on it's citizens, ignoring the Branch Davidians as debatable, since they almost wiped out the Native Americans). Oh yes They were not citizens.
But, the fact that your victims are your citizens or someone elses should not matter.
So:
We should have nothing to do with the U$A because of:
The millions of Vietnamese they massacred.
The hundreds of thousands of Iraqis they massacred.
The violations of sovereignty in Grenada and Panama.
The dirty wars against Nicaragua (a democracy at the time!) Cuba, New Zealand (not well known but I live in Aotearoa, so I know about that).
The American complicity in the invasion of and genocide in East Timor.
Ok. Lets boycott China (Tibet is as good an excuse as any) or Russia (Chechnya) or (insert world powers name here) but lets also boycott the U$A.
Kintanon, get off the grass! Once you start saying one state is so awful that you do not want to deal with it, it is just a matter of degree for *all* states.
Since you are apparently so feeble minded as to understand simple english I will attempt to explain this ONE MORE TIME in small words.
ESR is saying:
We do not endorse (condone, back up, support) the actions of the Chinese Communist Government (They call themselves communist so in order to be clear as to which government is referred to here it must have communist in the title) or any other government which oppresses its citizens. This statement deals specifically with the chinese government because of the article recently posted concerning their adoption of Linux as an operating system.
He WAS NOT advocating a Boycott of China, nor was he saying we should disallow the use of Linux in any country. He was saying that the principles of the linux community were not neccesarily those of the Chinese government. This was in the hopes that he would cut off the dozens of Microsurfs who would point at the deal and proclaim Linux the OS of Communist Dictators and hence 'Un-American'.
If you wish to discuss the atrocities of the US government we can do so, but that would be offtopic in this thread.
Kintanon
There is a huge, gaping hole where your knowledge of the feudalistic and oppressive Chinese emperors (and the powers behind the throne) should have been.
Oh, and remember to smile when the WoD "cops" break down your door in their hunt for drug users.
As oppressive as feudal china was I must adjust my statement somewhat. China is just as oppresive as anytime in the last 200 years, while the US has made decent strides towards less oppression.
And when the Cops break down my door they better damn well have knocked politely and shown me a search warrant first, or they'll be facing the business end of a large arsenal of weapons.
Kintanon
Before you are so hasty to bash the Chinese, remember that they didn't elect their own government. I think that it's good ( for the Chinese people ) that the government there are adopting linux, even though I don't like their government
Nowhere in my statement was any derogetory remark about the chinese people. My statement referred specifically to the actions of the chinese government. Elected or not makes no difference. The US government is elected yet we still disapprove of things they do to the citizens.
Kintanon
You seem to be the one who's reading stuff which isn't there.
ESR talks about "Communism" in the above referenced article. The vast majority of the article is in the abstract, only one sentence is specific to China. Epeeist starts this thread by saying "He can keep his libertarian politics and naive statements about communism to himself.". You then start talking about the actions of the Chinese government.
The two are not equvilant, one can be a supporter of a system practiced by a government without being a supporter of the government. If you wish to criticise Epeeist's views on communism then you should do it purely upon the qualities of communism.
Ok, to clarify, Epeeist was referring to ESR's statement, ESR was referring specifically to the actions of the communist chinese government. In the same paragraph ESR stated that the ideals of communism were supported by many in the linux community, but that those people did not support the actions of the chinese government. This entire conversation is ONLY in relation to the Chinese government which calls itself a communist government. ESR made no statements about communism in general, only that of the chinese government in specific. Epeeist apparently feels that ESR's view of the communist chinese goverment is 'naive'. By following this statement to its logical conclusion I would say that Epeeist must believe that the communist chinese government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Epeeist read ESR's statement as being a comment on communist ideals in general, the only statement about general communist ideals was the statement that many in the community agree with them. The rest of the paragraph was directed at communist china and the atrocities performed by that government. NOW do you understand what I was talking about?
Kintanon
For Americans to condemn China as repressive is quite hypocritical; how quickly we forget centuries of slavery that cost millions of African lives to build the plantation econonmy, or the millions of Native people who had to be swept aside in the name of "manifest destiny". The PRC never did anything like that! Nor should we forget that the U.S. currently has the largest incarcerated population in the world; this slave labor is used by many corporations, including Microsoft Dan Axtell dax@mail1.nai.net
I'd say the US has come a long way in 200 years, while China is still just as oppresive as it ever was, maybe more so. At least the US government is trying to improve the quality of life for its people, and USUALLY doesn't go around slaughtering people who disagree with its policies.
Kintanon
I don't think that you can say that china->government == communism.
I think it's fair to say that "The Linux Community" (If such a thing exists) doesn't condone the actions of the US government, such as crypto export restrictions, the CDA, S795 etc.
This however does not translate to an automatic condemnation of capitalism.
Nor did anyone automatically condemn communism. The actions of the chinese government which claims to be communist were condemned. Stop reading things into the article that weren't there people.
Kintanon
naive statements about communism to himself
I base it on this statement. I didn't say it had anything to do with linux. But apparently you believe that his views on Chinese Communism are naive. So do you think that the Chinese government is not killing its own people? I refer you back to the portion of the article in which he stated that the Ideals of marxist communism were supported by many in the free software movement, but that the actions of the Chinese government were not condoned by the linux community at large. I don't see how you can possibly disagree with this unless you do in fact support the actions of the chinese government.
Kintanon
ESR does not speak for me on this. He can keep his libertarian politics and naive statements about communism to himself.
So you support the mass murder of chinese citizens by their own government?
He said that plenty of people approved of the ideals of marxist communism. But even those people don't see communist China as anything other than a rapacious, oppressive, and violent regime.
Kintanon
I have to say, even if the target is M$, I find stupid lawsuits really galling. The ad agency probably bought, what, a dozen licenses? Which means M$'s monopolistic practices cost them about $500. It's barely worth going to small claims court, and they are probably suing for several million. *sigh*
Ok, win95/NT/Office97 licenses cost the company I work for around 5000$, Win95 regularly crashes on our accounting and human resources people destroying critical data or requiring us to restore it from a backup. This takes up their time and my time. The total cost of ownership to this company from Microsoft products is probably around 10K a year. Not including licensing. I'd say that a lawsuit is perfectly in order.
Kintanon
PS. Anyone interesting in joining my class action against MS contact sleffer@home.com
Some bands (and musicians) aren't touring type bands. They work in the studio. And how many bands have you seen that play as well live as they do in the studio? If the recording studio is out of date, so is the software industry. By my last check, I can record 24-bit digital music. Can your cd player play that? Can mp3 encode it? Granted, the gear isn't nearly the price it used to be, so it has naturally changed. Selling music is a business. Giving it away is, something else..
If the only reason the band sounds good is because their music has been 'edited' in the studio then they don't need to be making music.
And if no one can listen to 24-bit digital music then what is the purpose of producing it? Selling music should NOT be a business, anymore than playing Baseball or Basketball should be. These are things people should be doing for fun, not for money. If people want to give the artists money then that's great. But having an 'entertainment industry' is just rediculous.
Kintanon
Well, as many people here seem to be forgetting, the 4th ammendment only covers searches conducted by the government or an agent of said government (the police, fbi, fcc, somebody acting on behalf of the police, etc...)
CMU is not, as far as I know, any kind of government agent - therefore though they may be guilty of breaking into computers, it is by no means "illegal search and seizure"
That is correct. Instead of 'illegal search and seizure' it's called 'Breaking and Entering' in most places when a private entity does something like this. Do you think CMU could raid your dorm without a warrant? They may be able to, but they shouldn't be able to.
Kintanon
First of all, if you listen only to net "radio" stations that have a right and license to broadcast all of the music they use, then great, no problem. However, if your are listening to streaming broadcasts of illegally distributed MP3 files, then you are just as guilty as the person broadcasting (at least for a moral, if not legal perspective).
As far as I know all of the mp3s I listen to are legal as either I own them or the person who is streaming them owns them. Last time I checked letting someone else listen to your music for free wasn't illegal, and if it is I'd better throw away my speakers and get some headphones because my girlfriend has been illegaly listening to my music for months now....
Kintanon
Of course I know, I am in the frickin' business. So you are saying that the record companies that shell out thousands of dollars to record, market, distribute the cd, do not deserve any money for their efforts to bring you music that can be played anywhere these days? What about the record companies that are owned by the artists? Do you even know how much work is put into making a cd to market? Do you know how expensive recording studios can run, per hour? SOMEONE has to pay for all that stuff. It's a frickin' business.
Oh? And why do they have to do that?
If the entire idea is to draw people to concerts so that the band can make money then the band just has to record a couple of the live concert versions and send them out for free. Voila, song is done. They make money from the concerts.
Recording studios are outdated. So is most of the recording industry.
Kintanon
Yea sure. You try explaining how state law doesn't apply to you.
1:The officer won't care - I'd be willing to bet you won't be ticketed, you'll be arrested too. (I'd bet you're one of those morons who doesn't have insurance either, eh?)
2:The judge won't care how many URLS you throw at him, he'll throw several different law books back at you and your lawyer (and remember, "The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client").
3:The big guy named bubba you share your cell with won't care - he'll just thank you nightly for not paying your stupid car tabs.
Get real - you're violating state law in all 50 states. Just because you can find a frigging URL that says otherwise means nothing.
Ooooh, look who didn't do his research and is spouting off without any knowledge whatsoever. The URLs that Soldier listed are the URLs that lead to researched and proven legal precedent for lving in the US without any kind of state/federal registration. He's perfectly within EVERY law in EVERY state because the state laws don't apply to him in these specific cases because he has placed himself under the jurisdiction of a higher law which over rules those (more or less). There is no law which states you must specifically have a US drivers license to drive a car in the US.
Kintanon
I will have nothing to do with work on CSS. If there is any work that I may be considered to have ownership of, I give up all rights to that work.
Yeah, he got raped by room 101. They grabbed him, tore him apart, and dumped his pieces back into the sewer. It's a shame, we need to support him as best we can. Primarily by distributing the source code as far as we can.
Kintanon
You're nothing but a lame pirate. There's nothing rebellious or cool about what you are doing... there are 12-year old kids who do the same thing. Grow up.
So someone who has a different value system than you is automatically a 'lame pirate' who needs to 'grow up'? It seems you might want to examine the logic behind his position before you flame it.
I rarely purchase music, now that I can listen to streaming mp3 sites, and radio stations all over the world I have no need to download MP3s or Pay for music in any fashion. Am I now a 'lame pirate' as well? Considering that most artists make their money from concerts, not from radio play or CD sales it's almost meaningless to the artist whether they sell CDs or not as long as they get a good concert turn out. Korn even posted Mp3s of their own songs on their website and were forced by their record label to remove them. How is this protecting Korns IP? The Recording industry is bloated and corrupt. The artists would do better releasing a couple of songs for free on Mp3 and then doing a tour.
Kintanon
I remember visiting AntiOnline a few days after the packetstorm incident by following a link from slashdot, and being bounced with a message that read something like 'The page you are being refered by is a known hacker website...'
Can you please explain how you classified Slashdot, a site which reports news, does interviews, and encourages discussion as a Hacker website?
Kintanon
What is the basis for your attacks on security Experts such as Attrition.org?
To Clarify the question:
Why do you proclaim them to be 'dangerous hackers' while they do essentially the same thing you claim to do, except that they do so better, faster, and more professionally.
Kintanon
I have corresponded with TRUSTe about this issue and have had a complaint # (2363) assigned. I have not received any kind of final response, and have had no response from Microsoft.
You may be interested in joining a class action suit against microsoft. If so then e-mail Sleffer@home.com
At this moment I have one of the most succesful Class action lawyers in the country looking into my options for a class action against MS, feel free to e-mail me if you wish to join.
Kintanon
IMO, the Pentagon is probably hoping that the lack of any offensive information warfare activity on their part will prevent, for example, Serbia from actively trying to bring down the electronic keystones of the US economy
Yeah, just wait until some 2nd world country manages to DoS Slashdot and take credit for it. Two hundred thousand angry geeks will have reduced their entire information infrastructure to a smoking pile of toaster parts within seconds.
Kintanon