I think that you will soon (within 5 years) see legislation passed on the federal level requiring all servers residing on USA soil to use the.us top level domain name. This would impact all commercial, government, non-profit and military organizations. You will also see sweeping state level legislation requiring all servers and user accounts to have a second level domain name with the state ID Someone in California will have an address of joeuser@aol.ca.us, even though AOL is not based in California (I think they are based in Texas?)
Once that is in place, broad legislation will be enacted to regulate everything from taxes, gambling, warez and pron distribution. All US based servers will be required to conform to a self rating system. Sites that are found to be improperly rated will get the owner punished. There will be no anonymously hosted US based web servers.
Once that is in place, Government Identification will be used for email addresses, regardless of ISP used. Your mail will follow you regardless of how you connect to the internet. Impersonation will be punishable. Anonymous browsing will be eliminated. Your government ID will be required for access to the internet.
This will come to pass under the guise of International commerce regulation, and then under the guise of Interstate commerce regulation (both of which are the US federal government's responsibility spelled out in the Constitution) Then the States will use the Regulation of Intrastate commerce regulation clauses written into each state compact or constitution.
But I believe I recall reading that it *does not* do anything other than reveal the list of URLs which are blocked - end of story.
Sorry, you are wrong. Go download the program yourself and see. The first tab in the win32 version is a list of accounts and passwords. Since it's on the first tab, one might be led to believe that is the most important feature of the program, no?
Essentially, what your objecting to is that another company has been shown to be totally inept.
No, I have no objection to showing companies that they are inept. I also have no objection when a censorware company censors locations that allow end users to defeat the censorware.
No, what needs to be posted is a site with the complete essay, with a program that cracks the not list, complete with source. However, this program would *NOT* expose the accounts and passwords.
As it is now, the program *can* be used to bypass the 'security' that is in place.
but this doesn't fall into that category. This is a company that is blocking access to a program and sites that host the program that identifies on the first tab what the account names (like the administrator's) and the passwords are that may then be used to bypass any 'protection' in place.
If all this program did was point out the blocked URLs and newsgroups that would be a horse of a different color.
by Spire on 12:38 PM March 20th, 2000 EST No, the sites may not contain any nudity, but they do contain information that will enable one to access all the CyberPatrol-blocked sites -- including those with lots and lots of nudity. So the mirrors are being treated as a "special case".
by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on 06:37 PM March 20th, 2000 EST That wouldn't hold up. What use is a list of blocked sites to a cyber-patrolled machine? You can't reach them anyway, since they are blocked.
Spire's right. Apparently, whoever wrote this program had motives not as pure as the freshly driven snow. Not only does this program show the list of banned sites, but it also provides a list of passwords that allow CyberPatrol to be *disabled*!!!
I can fully understand why they would block any and all instances of this program to paying subscribers. If I purchased this product, I wouldn't want it to be easily disabled.
However, if the software author (hint, hint) were to release a program that *ONLY* shows the list of blocked sites, without providing the passwords that can be used to disable the protection, then I'd be against any effort to block access to it. Sadly, that didn't happen. (hint, hint)
Assuming that a subponea is granted, and there is a extridation (?sp) treaty in place (is there) then is is not difficult for the non-US government to serve the subponea on behalf of the US government. It's also not difficult for the non-US government agency to charge you with the local version of destruction of evidence.
BTW: IANAL
But I just wanted to make sure that everyone is clear, once you have been served a subponea, deletion of the logfile is punishable. I wouldn't be suprised to hear that your system backups are subponead as well if they are to subponea your logs.
If I were them the first thing I would do is delete all my log files. I don't believe in giving out information like that to anyone when those people aren't technically doing anything illegal.
You do realize that dcestroying subponeaed documents (yes, log files are electronic documents) is a punishible offense, don't you.
Of course, you can choose to disobey any law that you really want, can't you
However, the dot representations aren't quite to scale, are they? If they were, you wouldn't be able to see them. All your picture illustrates is that with a crude enough scale, you can make anything look alarming.
I would say IMHO that the overerlming majority of the actual useable volume that we are talking about is empty, not filled with debris like your picture indicates.
It really won't matter much if these TLD are available soon, or even now. Looking into my crystal ball, I see that it won't be too long before all servers physically located inside the USA borders are forced to adhere to strict laws regarding naming. It will soon be required to move from.edu,.com,.gov,.net and so over to.edu.us,.com.us,.gov.us,.net.us and so. After that, all domains with a.us name must adhere to rating laws. That way, you can have a government enforcable way to filter the internet.
"but what about all non-us sites?" - They get filtered out by default on public terminals usable by minors.
"can that filtering be turned off for adults" - Of course it can, but will it? I dunno.
"Isn't that against freedom of speech" - No, it'll get shoehorned under federal regulation over international / interstate commerce.
"can the states require even more location specific names?" - Yep. If the state of california requires.CA.US on all servers hosted in the sate, that can be done as well.
"What about browsers, are they next?" - You betcha! After the feds shoehorn the TLD regulation under the guise of interstate / international commerce, and the states require state level domain naming, it's a brief interlude before browsers will be forced to identify what location it is in. That way, collecting taxes from internet purchases become easy to track and collect.
A 'speak softly and carry a really big stick' stragegy.
Make that a really, really freaking HUGE stick, I mean omigod that's a really huge stick. Where in the heck did they get that stick? It's more like a tree than a stick! (-1, offtopic)
>> Really, this is a good thing. If we had a true >> democracy, it would be basically mob rule.
>So your argument is that having a system which >is set up in a way that it litterally breeds >corrupt officals and all but garauntees no >voice to those who arn't "Playing Ball" is >better than "Mob Rule".
Yep! That's what I'm saying. I'd rather have all the corruption and inefficency (with adequate checks and balances) than pure democracy any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
You see, if America was a pure democracy (mob rule), I doubt that technology would be an issue at all, because it would all belong to the landowners. (they werte the only ones that originally allowed to vote. And you bet that they would not let one iota of control slip from their hands if they could.
So, while this method of government is not perfect, it sure beats democracy.
Back to reality...
I heartily agree that the more local the government is, the more power it should have over my life. My municipal government should have more impact on me than my state government, which has more impact than the federal government. However, the federal and state governments are important. There are a few key governmental related things that each level does well.
The problem comes when the larger levels of government get into things that should belong to the smaller levels.
I see the source of your frustration. You assume that the job of lawmakers is to make laws. It isn't. The job of lawmakers is to stay in office.
The legislator will pass laws that they think will keep the sheopole happy. It's not Thier fault that the law that the people really want is found unconstitutional.
Really, this is a good thing. If we had a true democracy, it would be basically mob rule. Get 51% of the people to vote in a certain election to back a stupid idea, and it's unrevocable law??? Not in a republic with checks and balences in place thank you.
No, You have no right to be unmonitored when you are in public.
You do have the right to be unmonitored (Right to privacy) when in one's home.
They have no meet reasonable suspicion to pull you over. Once they pull you over, they can look in the windows of your car (anything in plain view is fair game) and examine you and your condition. These things may add up to probible cause.
*sigh*
People, you do NOT have the right to drive. Diving is a privelage that the government has allowed you to have. While excercising that privelage, you are at the scrutiny of the government safety officials. The privelage may be withdrawn.
I'm not talking about the freedom to speed, I'm talking about FREEDOM FROM BEING MONITORED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
Really, it's about expectation of privacy. Whe you are on a government road, you should expect to be monitored by the government. I suppose you gripe whenever you see highway patrol too. This is just another method of maintaining order in the government's roads and highways. I'd actually prefer it to issue a ticket to you for sustained speeding rather than slow the car down. Dang it Jonny, you were speeding for 5 miles on Monday, 3 and 12 miles on Tuesday, speeding over 15 MPH over the limit for 2 miles on Wed, and 4 miles on Friday! The ticket here is for $450! That's it, give me your liscence, you are not allowed to drive!
That way, we could pay for the satellite in a hurry.
According to http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/moore.htm
Moore is widely known for "Moore's Law," in which he predicted that the number of transistors that the industry would be able to place on a computer chip would double every year. In 1995, he updated his prediction to once every two years.
In 1965, Gordon Moore was preparing a speech and made a memorable observation. When he started to graph data about the growth in memory chip performance, he realized there was a striking trend. Each new chip contained roughly twice as much capacity as its predecessor, and each chip was released within 18-24 months of the previous chip. If this trend continued, he reasoned, computing power would rise exponentially over relatively brief periods of time.
(which is more of a guideline - it was originally IIRC 1 year, but they couldn't keep that up - last time I checked Intel's web site they claimed 2 years, so I guess they're having problems with the 1.5 year law;)
Actually, it started out at 2 years. For the last several years, we have been meeting the 18 month cycle. You know how it is with users, if you treat them better than they they are used to, eventually, they experct the better treatment, and complain bitterly once the original level is resumed.
Also, the original statement said nothing regarding speed of microprocessors. The original statement was regarding complexity of the processors. It's just that the media, and therefore the majority of users cannot comprehend complexity, and substitute speed instead. For the most part, it works.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, I'm replying to my own post, but I don't care. It seems that some of my prediction is comming true.
It seems that France beat the US to the punch...
foo.ca = foo in Canbada foo.ca.us = foo in California,United States of America IHTHAL
Very interesting read.
.us top level domain name. This would impact all commercial, government, non-profit and military organizations. You will also see sweeping state level legislation requiring all servers and user accounts to have a second level domain name with the state ID Someone in California will have an address of joeuser@aol.ca.us, even though AOL is not based in California (I think they are based in Texas?)
I think that you will soon (within 5 years) see legislation passed on the federal level requiring all servers residing on USA soil to use the
Once that is in place, broad legislation will be enacted to regulate everything from taxes, gambling, warez and pron distribution. All US based servers will be required to conform to a self rating system. Sites that are found to be improperly rated will get the owner punished. There will be no anonymously hosted US based web servers.
Once that is in place, Government Identification will be used for email addresses, regardless of ISP used. Your mail will follow you regardless of how you connect to the internet. Impersonation will be punishable. Anonymous browsing will be eliminated. Your government ID will be required for access to the internet.
This will come to pass under the guise of International commerce regulation, and then under the guise of Interstate commerce regulation (both of which are the US federal government's responsibility spelled out in the Constitution) Then the States will use the Regulation of Intrastate commerce regulation clauses written into each state compact or constitution.
Sorry, you are wrong. Go download the program yourself and see. The first tab in the win32 version is a list of accounts and passwords. Since it's on the first tab, one might be led to believe that is the most important feature of the program, no?
No, I have no objection to showing companies that they are inept. I also have no objection when a censorware company censors locations that allow end users to defeat the censorware.
As it is now, the program *can* be used to bypass the 'security' that is in place.
If all this program did was point out the blocked URLs and newsgroups that would be a horse of a different color.
Can you tell me that this is not software that allows circumvention of the protection? By any stretch of the imagination?
If they left this tab off, I would have NO beef with this program, but as is, it's indefensible.
No, the sites may not contain any nudity, but they do contain information that will enable one to access all the CyberPatrol-blocked sites -- including those with lots and lots of nudity. So the mirrors are being treated as a "special case".
by Mock (kstenerud@hotmail.com) on 06:37 PM March 20th, 2000 EST
That wouldn't hold up. What use is a list of blocked sites to a cyber-patrolled machine? You can't reach them anyway, since they are blocked.
Spire's right. Apparently, whoever wrote this program had motives not as pure as the freshly driven snow. Not only does this program show the list of banned sites, but it also provides a list of passwords that allow CyberPatrol to be *disabled*!!!
I can fully understand why they would block any and all instances of this program to paying subscribers. If I purchased this product, I wouldn't want it to be easily disabled.
However, if the software author (hint, hint) were to release a program that *ONLY* shows the list of blocked sites, without providing the passwords that can be used to disable the protection, then I'd be against any effort to block access to it. Sadly, that didn't happen. (hint, hint)
BTW: IANAL
But I just wanted to make sure that everyone is clear, once you have been served a subponea, deletion of the logfile is punishable. I wouldn't be suprised to hear that your system backups are subponead as well if they are to subponea your logs.
Naaa, It'll just mean that I'll get it sent to me 545 times...
Besides, I hate chain e-mail. I mean I HATE chain e-mail.
You do realize that dcestroying subponeaed documents (yes, log files are electronic documents) is a punishible offense, don't you.
Of course, you can choose to disobey any law that you really want, can't you
That was an impressive picture you provided...
However, the dot representations aren't quite to scale, are they? If they were, you wouldn't be able to see them. All your picture illustrates is that with a crude enough scale, you can make anything look alarming.
I would say IMHO that the overerlming majority of the actual useable volume that we are talking about is empty, not filled with debris like your picture indicates.
It really won't matter much if these TLD are available soon, or even now. Looking into my crystal ball, I see that it won't be too long before all servers physically located inside the USA borders are forced to adhere to strict laws regarding naming. It will soon be required to move from .edu, .com, .gov, .net and so over to .edu.us, .com.us, .gov.us, .net.us and so. After that, all domains with a .us name must adhere to rating laws. That way, you can have a government enforcable way to filter the internet.
.CA.US on all servers hosted in the sate, that can be done as well.
"but what about all non-us sites?" - They get filtered out by default on public terminals usable by minors.
"can that filtering be turned off for adults" - Of course it can, but will it? I dunno.
"Isn't that against freedom of speech" - No, it'll get shoehorned under federal regulation over international / interstate commerce.
"can the states require even more location specific names?" - Yep. If the state of california requires
"What about browsers, are they next?" - You betcha! After the feds shoehorn the TLD regulation under the guise of interstate / international commerce, and the states require state level domain naming, it's a brief interlude before browsers will be forced to identify what location it is in. That way, collecting taxes from internet purchases become easy to track and collect.
-Joe
:)
Goldmeer
Make that a really, really freaking HUGE stick, I mean omigod that's a really huge stick. Where in the heck did they get that stick? It's more like a tree than a stick! (-1, offtopic)
>> Really, this is a good thing. If we had a true
>> democracy, it would be basically mob rule.
>So your argument is that having a system which
>is set up in a way that it litterally breeds
>corrupt officals and all but garauntees no
>voice to those who arn't "Playing Ball" is >better than "Mob Rule".
Yep! That's what I'm saying. I'd rather have all the corruption and inefficency (with adequate checks and balances) than pure democracy any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
You see, if America was a pure democracy (mob rule), I doubt that technology would be an issue at all, because it would all belong to the landowners. (they werte the only ones that originally allowed to vote. And you bet that they would not let one iota of control slip from their hands if they could.
So, while this method of government is not perfect, it sure beats democracy.
Back to reality...
I heartily agree that the more local the government is, the more power it should have over my life. My municipal government should have more impact on me than my state government, which has more impact than the federal government. However, the federal and state governments are important. There are a few key governmental related things that each level does well.
The problem comes when the larger levels of government get into things that should belong to the smaller levels.
Sad, but 'tis true. You do not have the right to drive. Don't believe me, hit the library. Do your own research.
The legislator will pass laws that they think will keep the sheopole happy. It's not Thier fault that the law that the people really want is found unconstitutional.
Really, this is a good thing. If we had a true democracy, it would be basically mob rule. Get 51% of the people to vote in a certain election to back a stupid idea, and it's unrevocable law??? Not in a republic with checks and balences in place thank you.
Expectation of privacy - 3 words that make the governments case. On the roads, you have little to none.
You do have the right to be unmonitored (Right to privacy) when in one's home.
They have no meet reasonable suspicion to pull you over. Once they pull you over, they can look in the windows of your car (anything in plain view is fair game) and examine you and your condition. These things may add up to probible cause.
*sigh*
People, you do NOT have the right to drive. Diving is a privelage that the government has allowed you to have. While excercising that privelage, you are at the scrutiny of the government safety officials. The privelage may be withdrawn.
Really, it's about expectation of privacy. Whe you are on a government road, you should expect to be monitored by the government. I suppose you gripe whenever you see highway patrol too. This is just another method of maintaining order in the government's roads and highways. I'd actually prefer it to issue a ticket to you for sustained speeding rather than slow the car down. Dang it Jonny, you were speeding for 5 miles on Monday, 3 and 12 miles on Tuesday, speeding over 15 MPH over the limit for 2 miles on Wed, and 4 miles on Friday! The ticket here is for $450! That's it, give me your liscence, you are not allowed to drive!
That way, we could pay for the satellite in a hurry.
You cut the quote short:
"They are also a reminder not always to believe what you read. (Read more). "
I read that and almost bust my gut...
According to http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/bios/moore.htm
and
http://www.intel.com/intel/museum/25anniv/hof/moor e.htm
Sorry!
Actually, it started out at 2 years. For the last several years, we have been meeting the 18 month cycle. You know how it is with users, if you treat them better than they they are used to, eventually, they experct the better treatment, and complain bitterly once the original level is resumed.
Also, the original statement said nothing regarding speed of microprocessors. The original statement was regarding complexity of the processors. It's just that the media, and therefore the majority of users cannot comprehend complexity, and substitute speed instead. For the most part, it works.