You make an outstanding point and taken together with my historic point: innovators in the tech arena are most normally employed in that arena - and as more tech jobs are offshored - the chances of innovation dwindle.
As a past member of the development team (at ancient IBM) created the original markup languages which HTML is a subset of - we PROGRAMMED them in assembler, later ported to C.
Last I heard, HTML is still a markup language - not a programming language. Technically ignorant - most definitely.
Well, Carly did say (after she went Medival on her employees and laid them off) that it is not an American's God-given right to have a job - especially not when she wants to offshore them all. I suggest she begin looking for her next job in China, India or Nigeria.
Of course you are right! Far too many of the individuals who post to this site really believe it when the corporate crooks proclaim that by offshoring all those jobs - more jobs will be created!!!!
These aren't the rocket scientists and mathenauts who actually create software from the ground up. These are people who struggle with HTML and XML!
The NEXT BIG THING has already happened - it's called OFFSHORING!
You're right, of course, now that Congress has finished with the pressing business of passing that bill a few months back to kill overtime pay for the middle-class, they are moving on to the equally pressing causes of dramatically increasing foreign worker visa programs (H1-B, etc.) and the online pornography industry (which may be the employer of last resort - given the almost non-existent fullt-time job creation going in within the borders of the USA).
I guess the real values people voted for in the recent national election was their masochistic values???
True - with the explosion in the lowering of the American wage - it no longer matters that prices of all those foreign goods are dropping (which is becoming questionable now).
But by the time the miserable American management realizes that - they will be fatter and happier and it will be far too late for the rest of us. Does anyone still think it's a coincidence that Bush Senior had dinner with the parents of the presidential assassin (who shot Reagan) the night before it transpired - and also had breakfast the morning of 09/11/01 with the head of the bin Laden family at the Ritz-Carleton in Washington, D.C.????
Spot on! And on the plus side, the evangelicals and fundamentalists who control the White House continue to ship American jobs and technology to China (still a fascist country, last I heard) and China continues to arrest and lock up evangelicals and fundamentalists in their country!
I'm guessing they'll never experience our problems?????
So all those R & D centers (by the way, that stands for Research and Development and concerns pure physics, and chemistry, and materials sciences and engineering research) opened up in China and elsewhere in Asian by all the major American, Japanese and Euro corporations are drone jobs?
Precisely! To repeat an often repeated phrase: if offshoring jobs is so great - why ain't they offshoring CEO and senior management jobs - those are the most costly and most incompetent....
Combative! We've long gone past the point of combative to mucho serious - the ballot box counts for nothing whatsoever.
Now, you again obviously believe every country on the planet is a free market economy - India doesn't work that way - China far less so. They are "managed" economies - exactly what this economy has become - and you are either far too young or far too ignorant to understand that supply and demand are inoperative in "managed" economies. You obviously CAN'T see where this is going - you need far more education in mathematics and history, my friend!
Your major problem is a severely limited grasp of analytical thinking. To explain it in the most fundamental of terms: survival occurs in groups, and if a group does not protect itself - it simply doesn't survive. That is what is occurring in the USA today (and other countries) and all the corporate misinformation and disinformation won't change that. The offshoring of jobs has nothing to do with free trade - it simply raises the perks and wealth of CEOs and senior management!
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You are soooo right. I'm a homeless working person, and believe me, if you think some jobs can be rough when you live "normally" - try them when you're homeless (due to the job situation).
Also, you are reading this online because of people such as myself, who was on the development team of the original markup languages (written in Assembler and ported to C) of which HTML, XML, etc., are subsets of.....
What you stated is, of course, correct, although others will claim that the government uses REAL data - how absurd. The recent GAO "study" claims no connection between offshoring and unemployment in the USA - let's see...slightly over 3.2 million manufacturing jobs lost over the preceding 48 months, while 91,000 have been created over the past 9 months, so now we have.04 percent of what we used to have - NOPE! No effect whatsoever....
And the Bush Administration wants to count any and all trading on E-Bay as a new job!
The neocons who post here actually believe the reason George Bush (or that draft dodger Cheney) are on top is due to some "superiority" of mind or behavior - funny, the last time I checked Bush couldn't find his posterior in a completely mirrored dressing room! He's screwed up everything he's ever done (except get elected by the Supreme Court).
Or maybe it's because he was AWOL from the Texas guard? Hmmm, sounds like a pure slacker in the White House. Nope, the cream doesn't always rise to the top, in fact, it seems lately (exception: Fred Smith, Fed. Express) that only the dregs are rising to the top...
Gosh, you're obviously on top of things - especially since the officially count of lost manufacturing jobs over the past 3.7 years is 3.1 million manufacturing jobs lost!
Perhaps you've heard Steven Roach, chief economist at the Wall Street firm of Morgan Stanley state that the private sector has an estimated lost of 5.87 million jobs over the preceding 4 years (both offshored and jobs created overseas instead of the USA). So now we're at 8 to 9 million jobs lost! Oh yeah, and don't forget to factor in those public sector jobs offshored. Let's see now.....9 million plus 5 million.....
Actually, no. You get what the corporations price it at. Been in any clothing stores lately, cheap - waaaay over-priced trash from Bangledesh! Ever wonder why ADM and Microsoft are constantly being brought up on price-fixing charges???? If you study the market over the preceding forty years you'll find that when demand goes down - the price goes up and when demand goes up - the price goes up.
If this basic assumption were true, then logically it follows that the most important of a "free market" society should bid for their jobs. Yet those at the CEO level who have a history of chronically f**king up are easily hired and rehired again and again.
Would you hire a Ken Delay - who claims no understanding of balance sheets - or a William Agee - who screwed up (admittedly an already screwed up company) Bendix in his unsuccessful hostile takeover bid of Lockheed Martin (when it was still Martin Marietta)? I could provide a multitude of more examples - yet we all realize CEOs won't enter a bidding marketplace - why not??? Because it is a total sham!!!!!
Whether you've actually read the classical French economist, Jean-Baptiste Say, you most definitely understand him! Unfortunately, Keynes grasp of French was quite mediocre and he completely misunderstood him and got it all wrong.
To wit: To produce goods to generate income sufficient to buy back those goods you've produce....is to quote him, and to (more or less) paraphrase what you've posted. BRAVO!!!!!
Anyone ever heard of the concept of "competitive hiring" - it once flourished in this economy - albeit many eons ago! Now, since corporatism has destroyed that notion (recall just a few years ago when that turncoat, Lester Thurow at MIT [thank God they still have Samuelson there] proclaimed human capital as a corporation's most important asset - wonder where that sentiment disappeared to??) it's all but been replaced by the worker as an easily replaceable module - to be bid upon on a moment's notice - or to be replaced by a foreign worker with zero experience!
THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO WILL UNDERBID YOU - it's the nature of the slave market!
Starting about 3 (or maybe more) years ago this became a reality - check out how many jobs Manpower Professional has gotten for American workers in America as opposed to how many they've gotten for Chinese workers in China????
Another reason for the shrinking tech market here.
This makes absolutely no sense - if there really is a nursing shortage hospitals would be paying top dollar not resort to such a down-playing scheme for employees.
The article's main subject that a shortage exists is completely nullifed by this proposal.
M$ is the ultimate software pirate - after years of licensing others software - then incorporating it into their OS - to undercut and destroy other innovative companies - Microsoft is the last company to complain of software piracy.
And don't forget how they "legally" came by the name Internet Explorer!!!
It clearly is not the function of the taypayer-supported American government to ship your job out of the country!
The number of public sector jobs which have been offshored now numbers at over 6 million - that's right (those of us that can do the math and the research realize this!)!! You pay taxes today to screw yourself - please awake from your stupor!
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You make an outstanding point and taken together with my historic point: innovators in the tech arena are most normally employed in that arena - and as more tech jobs are offshored - the chances of innovation dwindle.
As a past member of the development team (at ancient IBM) created the original markup languages which HTML is a subset of - we PROGRAMMED them in assembler, later ported to C. Last I heard, HTML is still a markup language - not a programming language. Technically ignorant - most definitely.
Well, Carly did say (after she went Medival on her employees and laid them off) that it is not an American's God-given right to have a job - especially not when she wants to offshore them all. I suggest she begin looking for her next job in China, India or Nigeria.
These aren't the rocket scientists and mathenauts who actually create software from the ground up. These are people who struggle with HTML and XML!
The NEXT BIG THING has already happened - it's called OFFSHORING!
Gartner's prediction record during their existence has been abysmal! Besides, with all the IT jobs being outsourced, does anyone really care anymore?
I guess the real values people voted for in the recent national election was their masochistic values???
But by the time the miserable American management realizes that - they will be fatter and happier and it will be far too late for the rest of us. Does anyone still think it's a coincidence that Bush Senior had dinner with the parents of the presidential assassin (who shot Reagan) the night before it transpired - and also had breakfast the morning of 09/11/01 with the head of the bin Laden family at the Ritz-Carleton in Washington, D.C.????
I'm guessing they'll never experience our problems?????
Our definition of drone varies considerably....
Precisely! To repeat an often repeated phrase: if offshoring jobs is so great - why ain't they offshoring CEO and senior management jobs - those are the most costly and most incompetent....
Now, you again obviously believe every country on the planet is a free market economy - India doesn't work that way - China far less so. They are "managed" economies - exactly what this economy has become - and you are either far too young or far too ignorant to understand that supply and demand are inoperative in "managed" economies. You obviously CAN'T see where this is going - you need far more education in mathematics and history, my friend!
Your major problem is a severely limited grasp of analytical thinking. To explain it in the most fundamental of terms: survival occurs in groups, and if a group does not protect itself - it simply doesn't survive. That is what is occurring in the USA today (and other countries) and all the corporate misinformation and disinformation won't change that. The offshoring of jobs has nothing to do with free trade - it simply raises the perks and wealth of CEOs and senior management!
Also, you are reading this online because of people such as myself, who was on the development team of the original markup languages (written in Assembler and ported to C) of which HTML, XML, etc., are subsets of.....
And the Bush Administration wants to count any and all trading on E-Bay as a new job!
GROW UP!!!!
Or maybe it's because he was AWOL from the Texas guard? Hmmm, sounds like a pure slacker in the White House. Nope, the cream doesn't always rise to the top, in fact, it seems lately (exception: Fred Smith, Fed. Express) that only the dregs are rising to the top...
Perhaps you've heard Steven Roach, chief economist at the Wall Street firm of Morgan Stanley state that the private sector has an estimated lost of 5.87 million jobs over the preceding 4 years (both offshored and jobs created overseas instead of the USA). So now we're at 8 to 9 million jobs lost! Oh yeah, and don't forget to factor in those public sector jobs offshored. Let's see now.....9 million plus 5 million.....
Those with the gold makes the rules.....
Would you hire a Ken Delay - who claims no understanding of balance sheets - or a William Agee - who screwed up (admittedly an already screwed up company) Bendix in his unsuccessful hostile takeover bid of Lockheed Martin (when it was still Martin Marietta)? I could provide a multitude of more examples - yet we all realize CEOs won't enter a bidding marketplace - why not??? Because it is a total sham!!!!!
To wit: To produce goods to generate income sufficient to buy back those goods you've produce....is to quote him, and to (more or less) paraphrase what you've posted. BRAVO!!!!!
THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO WILL UNDERBID YOU - it's the nature of the slave market!
Another reason for the shrinking tech market here.
The article's main subject that a shortage exists is completely nullifed by this proposal.
And don't forget how they "legally" came by the name Internet Explorer!!!
The number of public sector jobs which have been offshored now numbers at over 6 million - that's right (those of us that can do the math and the research realize this!)!! You pay taxes today to screw yourself - please awake from your stupor!